Driving Too Slow...

[Aoli]

Here, California, the rule is: \"There is no fast lane\"
So speed in any lane except the one I am in.
And that is usually the case.
80 MPH on a 65 road is the norm.
Just means the speeder breaks up into many more pieces upon crash.
Unfortunately taking others too.

 

[John Larkin]

On Fri, 28 Jan 2022 14:06:01 -0800, Aoli <Aoli@Aoli.com> wrote:

Here, California, the rule is: \"There is no fast lane\"
So speed in any lane except the one I am in.
And that is usually the case.
80 MPH on a 65 road is the norm.

Except just east of Auburn. \"Clipper Gap Speed Trap.\"

--

If a man will begin with certainties, he shall end with doubts,
but if he will be content to begin with doubts he shall end in certainties.
Francis Bacon

 

[Lasse Langwadt Christensen]

fredag den 28. januar 2022 kl. 03.17.38 UTC+1 skrev bill....@ieee.org:

On Friday, January 28, 2022 at 4:39:53 AM UTC+11, Cydrome Leader wrote:
Anthony William Sloman <bill....@ieee.org> wrote:
On Tuesday, January 25, 2022 at 4:09:39 PM UTC+11, Cydrome Leader wrote:
Anthony William Sloman <bill....@ieee.org> wrote:
On Monday, January 24, 2022 at 4:58:51 AM UTC+11, Cydrome Leader wrote:
Anthony William Sloman <bill....@ieee.org> wrote:
On Sunday, January 23, 2022 at 6:20:38 PM UTC+11, Cydrome Leader wrote:
Anthony William Sloman <bill....@ieee.org> wrote:
On Saturday, January 22, 2022 at 6:41:48 PM UTC+11, gnuarm.del...@gmail.com wrote:
On Saturday, January 22, 2022 at 1:01:18 AM UTC-5, Jasen Betts wrote:
On 2022-01-21, John Larkin <jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com> wrote:
On Fri, 21 Jan 2022 20:46:49 -0000 (UTC), Cydrome Leader <pres...@MUNGEpanix.com> wrote:
John Larkin <jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com> wrote:
On Wed, 19 Jan 2022 19:30:11 -0500, \"Tom Del Rosso\" <fizzbin...@that-google-mail-domain.com> wrote:
jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

snip
Really? Name the type of compressor you\'d use that switches pumping direction
with the flip of the motor rotation and is suitable for standard refrigerants.
Axial flow turbine, as found in modern jet engines. Refrigerants are just gases/volatile liquids. There might be a materials compatibility problem but I\'ve not heard of one.

no. First, the turbine is a part that extracts energy from moving gas, in a jet engine to drive the compressor..
Next, in an axial compressor the blades that add speed to the gas are wing shaped and the increase in
pressure happens when the gas slows in the diverging path between the stators, neither will work in reverse

 

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Saturday, January 29, 2022 at 11:42:52 PM UTC+11, lang...@fonz.dk wrote:

fredag den 28. januar 2022 kl. 03.17.38 UTC+1 skrev bill....@ieee.org:
On Friday, January 28, 2022 at 4:39:53 AM UTC+11, Cydrome Leader wrote:
Anthony William Sloman <bill....@ieee.org> wrote:
On Tuesday, January 25, 2022 at 4:09:39 PM UTC+11, Cydrome Leader wrote:
Anthony William Sloman <bill....@ieee.org> wrote:
On Monday, January 24, 2022 at 4:58:51 AM UTC+11, Cydrome Leader wrote:
Anthony William Sloman <bill....@ieee.org> wrote:
On Sunday, January 23, 2022 at 6:20:38 PM UTC+11, Cydrome Leader wrote:
Anthony William Sloman <bill....@ieee.org> wrote:
On Saturday, January 22, 2022 at 6:41:48 PM UTC+11, gnuarm..del...@gmail.com wrote:
On Saturday, January 22, 2022 at 1:01:18 AM UTC-5, Jasen Betts wrote:
On 2022-01-21, John Larkin <jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com> wrote:
On Fri, 21 Jan 2022 20:46:49 -0000 (UTC), Cydrome Leader <pres...@MUNGEpanix.com> wrote:
John Larkin <jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com> wrote:
On Wed, 19 Jan 2022 19:30:11 -0500, \"Tom Del Rosso\" <fizzbin...@that-google-mail-domain.com> wrote:
jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

snip
Really? Name the type of compressor you\'d use that switches pumping direction
with the flip of the motor rotation and is suitable for standard refrigerants.

Axial flow turbine, as found in modern jet engines. Refrigerants are just gases/volatile liquids. There might be a materials compatibility problem but I\'ve not heard of one.

no. First, the turbine is a part that extracts energy from moving gas, in a jet engine to drive the compressor..

Perhaps. But I was suing the word \"turbine\" describes the structure, rather than the function.

Next, in an axial compressor the blades that add speed to the gas are wing shaped and the increase in
pressure happens when the gas slows in the diverging path between the stators, neither will work in reverse.

It will - just not as efficiently. Aircraft can fly upside down, and symmetrical aerofoils can still generate lift.

Think about turbine flow meters - they do work for bidiredtional flows, though sensing the direction of rotation does take a bit of extra electronics (which you had better provide when they are used for metering). I had fun with a turbine meter for a milk tanker a very long time ago. The milk was driven out of the tanker by pressurised gas and I had to detect the change of conductivity of fluid spinning the meter very rapidly - the customer paid for milk delivered, and not the pressurising gas.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Lasse Langwadt Christensen]

lørdag den 29. januar 2022 kl. 14.43.05 UTC+1 skrev bill....@ieee.org:

On Saturday, January 29, 2022 at 11:42:52 PM UTC+11, lang...@fonz.dk wrote:
fredag den 28. januar 2022 kl. 03.17.38 UTC+1 skrev bill....@ieee.org:
On Friday, January 28, 2022 at 4:39:53 AM UTC+11, Cydrome Leader wrote:
Anthony William Sloman <bill....@ieee.org> wrote:
On Tuesday, January 25, 2022 at 4:09:39 PM UTC+11, Cydrome Leader wrote:
Anthony William Sloman <bill....@ieee.org> wrote:
On Monday, January 24, 2022 at 4:58:51 AM UTC+11, Cydrome Leader wrote:
Anthony William Sloman <bill....@ieee.org> wrote:
On Sunday, January 23, 2022 at 6:20:38 PM UTC+11, Cydrome Leader wrote:
Anthony William Sloman <bill....@ieee.org> wrote:
On Saturday, January 22, 2022 at 6:41:48 PM UTC+11, gnuarm.del...@gmail.com wrote:
On Saturday, January 22, 2022 at 1:01:18 AM UTC-5, Jasen Betts wrote:
On 2022-01-21, John Larkin <jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com> wrote:
On Fri, 21 Jan 2022 20:46:49 -0000 (UTC), Cydrome Leader <pres...@MUNGEpanix.com> wrote:
John Larkin <jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com> wrote:
On Wed, 19 Jan 2022 19:30:11 -0500, \"Tom Del Rosso\" <fizzbin...@that-google-mail-domain.com> wrote:
jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

snip
Really? Name the type of compressor you\'d use that switches pumping direction
with the flip of the motor rotation and is suitable for standard refrigerants.

Axial flow turbine, as found in modern jet engines. Refrigerants are just gases/volatile liquids. There might be a materials compatibility problem but I\'ve not heard of one.

no. First, the turbine is a part that extracts energy from moving gas, in a jet engine to drive the compressor..
Perhaps. But I was suing the word \"turbine\" describes the structure, rather than the function.

so just using random word that describes something entirely different ..
a wind mill is also an axial flow turbine

Next, in an axial compressor the blades that add speed to the gas are wing shaped and the increase in
pressure happens when the gas slows in the diverging path between the stators, neither will work in reverse.

It will - just not as efficiently. Aircraft can fly upside down, and symmetrical aerofoils can still generate lift.

what you are proposing is not like flying upside down, it would be like flying backwards
and it is not blades blades that does the compression it is the stators

Think about turbine flow meters - they do work for bidiredtional flows, though sensing the direction of rotation does take a bit of extra electronics (which you had better provide when they are used for metering). I had fun with a turbine meter for a milk tanker a very long time ago. The milk was driven out of the tanker by pressurised gas and I had to detect the change of conductivity of fluid spinning the meter very rapidly - the customer paid for milk delivered, and not the pressurising gas.

a turbine is not a compressor....

 

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Sunday, January 30, 2022 at 12:57:41 AM UTC+11, lang...@fonz.dk wrote:

lørdag den 29. januar 2022 kl. 14.43.05 UTC+1 skrev bill....@ieee.org:
On Saturday, January 29, 2022 at 11:42:52 PM UTC+11, lang...@fonz.dk wrote:
fredag den 28. januar 2022 kl. 03.17.38 UTC+1 skrev bill....@ieee.org:
On Friday, January 28, 2022 at 4:39:53 AM UTC+11, Cydrome Leader wrote:
Anthony William Sloman <bill....@ieee.org> wrote:
On Tuesday, January 25, 2022 at 4:09:39 PM UTC+11, Cydrome Leader wrote:
Anthony William Sloman <bill....@ieee.org> wrote:
On Monday, January 24, 2022 at 4:58:51 AM UTC+11, Cydrome Leader wrote:
Anthony William Sloman <bill....@ieee.org> wrote:
On Sunday, January 23, 2022 at 6:20:38 PM UTC+11, Cydrome Leader wrote:
Anthony William Sloman <bill....@ieee.org> wrote:
On Saturday, January 22, 2022 at 6:41:48 PM UTC+11, gnuarm.del...@gmail.com wrote:
On Saturday, January 22, 2022 at 1:01:18 AM UTC-5, Jasen Betts wrote:
On 2022-01-21, John Larkin <jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com> wrote:
On Fri, 21 Jan 2022 20:46:49 -0000 (UTC), Cydrome Leader <pres...@MUNGEpanix.com> wrote:
John Larkin <jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com> wrote:
On Wed, 19 Jan 2022 19:30:11 -0500, \"Tom Del Rosso\" <fizzbin...@that-google-mail-domain.com> wrote:
jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

snip
Really? Name the type of compressor you\'d use that switches pumping direction
with the flip of the motor rotation and is suitable for standard refrigerants.

Axial flow turbine, as found in modern jet engines. Refrigerants are just gases/volatile liquids. There might be a materials compatibility problem but I\'ve not heard of one.

no. First, the turbine is a part that extracts energy from moving gas, in a jet engine to drive the compressor..

Perhaps. But I was suing the word \"turbine\" describes the structure, rather than the function.

so just using random word that describes something entirely different ..

There\'s nothing random about the structure, and it wasn\'t any kind of \"random\" choice of word.

> a wind mill is also an axial flow turbine

Up to a point.

Next, in an axial compressor the blades that add speed to the gas are wing shaped and the increase in
pressure happens when the gas slows in the diverging path between the stators, neither will work in reverse.

It will - just not as efficiently. Aircraft can fly upside down, and symmetrical aerofoils can still generate lift.
what you are proposing is not like flying upside down, it would be like flying backwards

and it is not blades blades that does the compression it is the stators

Don\'t be silly. They interact.

Think about turbine flow meters - they do work for bidiredtional flows, though sensing the direction of rotation does take a bit of extra electronics (which you had better provide when they are used for metering). I had fun with a turbine meter for a milk tanker a very long time ago. The milk was driven out of the tanker by pressurised gas and I had to detect the change of conductivity of fluid spinning the meter very rapidly - the customer paid for milk delivered, and not the pressurising gas.

a turbine is not a compressor....

Repeating the assertion doesn\'t make it any more persuasive. Non-native speakers of English aren\'t always reliable guides to what words actually mean to native speakers.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Lasse Langwadt Christensen]

lørdag den 29. januar 2022 kl. 15.08.09 UTC+1 skrev bill....@ieee.org:

On Sunday, January 30, 2022 at 12:57:41 AM UTC+11, lang...@fonz.dk wrote:
lørdag den 29. januar 2022 kl. 14.43.05 UTC+1 skrev bill....@ieee.org:
On Saturday, January 29, 2022 at 11:42:52 PM UTC+11, lang...@fonz.dk wrote:
fredag den 28. januar 2022 kl. 03.17.38 UTC+1 skrev bill....@ieee.org:
On Friday, January 28, 2022 at 4:39:53 AM UTC+11, Cydrome Leader wrote:
Anthony William Sloman <bill....@ieee.org> wrote:
On Tuesday, January 25, 2022 at 4:09:39 PM UTC+11, Cydrome Leader wrote:
Anthony William Sloman <bill....@ieee.org> wrote:
On Monday, January 24, 2022 at 4:58:51 AM UTC+11, Cydrome Leader wrote:
Anthony William Sloman <bill....@ieee.org> wrote:
On Sunday, January 23, 2022 at 6:20:38 PM UTC+11, Cydrome Leader wrote:
Anthony William Sloman <bill....@ieee.org> wrote:
On Saturday, January 22, 2022 at 6:41:48 PM UTC+11, gnuarm.del...@gmail.com wrote:
On Saturday, January 22, 2022 at 1:01:18 AM UTC-5, Jasen Betts wrote:
On 2022-01-21, John Larkin <jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com> wrote:
On Fri, 21 Jan 2022 20:46:49 -0000 (UTC), Cydrome Leader <pres...@MUNGEpanix.com> wrote:
John Larkin <jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology..com> wrote:
On Wed, 19 Jan 2022 19:30:11 -0500, \"Tom Del Rosso\" <fizzbin...@that-google-mail-domain.com> wrote:
jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

snip
Really? Name the type of compressor you\'d use that switches pumping direction
with the flip of the motor rotation and is suitable for standard refrigerants.

Axial flow turbine, as found in modern jet engines. Refrigerants are just gases/volatile liquids. There might be a materials compatibility problem but I\'ve not heard of one.

no. First, the turbine is a part that extracts energy from moving gas, in a jet engine to drive the compressor..

Perhaps. But I was suing the word \"turbine\" describes the structure, rather than the function.

so just using random word that describes something entirely different ...
There\'s nothing random about the structure, and it wasn\'t any kind of \"random\" choice of word.

so not random just wrong..

a wind mill is also an axial flow turbine
Up to a point.

what point?

Next, in an axial compressor the blades that add speed to the gas are wing shaped and the increase in
pressure happens when the gas slows in the diverging path between the stators, neither will work in reverse.

It will - just not as efficiently. Aircraft can fly upside down, and symmetrical aerofoils can still generate lift.
what you are proposing is not like flying upside down, it would be like flying backwards

and it is not blades blades that does the compression it is the stators
Don\'t be silly. They interact.

and you have no idea how it works

Think about turbine flow meters - they do work for bidiredtional flows, though sensing the direction of rotation does take a bit of extra electronics (which you had better provide when they are used for metering). I had fun with a turbine meter for a milk tanker a very long time ago. The milk was driven out of the tanker by pressurised gas and I had to detect the change of conductivity of fluid spinning the meter very rapidly - the customer paid for milk delivered, and not the pressurising gas.

a turbine is not a compressor....
Repeating the assertion doesn\'t make it any more persuasive.

repeating your errors doesn\'t make them right

>Non-native speakers of English aren\'t always reliable guides to what words actually mean to native speakers.

FFS

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turbine
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compressor

 

[Joe Gwinn]

On Fri, 28 Jan 2022 22:18:02 +0200, Dimiter_Popoff <dp@tgi-sci.com>
wrote:

On 1/28/2022 22:04, Joe Gwinn wrote:
On Fri, 28 Jan 2022 10:03:49 +0000, Tom Gardner
spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

On 27/01/22 09:20, Tom Gardner wrote:
On 27/01/22 01:13, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
The internet of things is is fully up to coping with a one or two day
opt-out. The bureaucrats might be a bit slow to realise that they could offer
the option.

Here the POTS is being aggressively replaced by VOIP, which
requires a modem in the customer premises. When the power is
out, so is the phone.

BT/OpenReach statement is \"you can use your cellphone
instead\", which is fine - except for those places that
don\'t have reception and for \"emergency buttons\" worn
by the elderly in case of A Fall.

I\'ve seen reports that BT will grudgingly add batteries
(or similar), if you can force them to recognise you
don\'t have cellphone reception. No answer to the emergency
button issue.

I imagine lots of IoT applications will be ignored.

More info, on comp.risks - the one usenet group all engineers
should read. https://catless.ncl.ac.uk/Risks/33/04/#subj12.1

UK\'s Telecomm Provider(s) Switching to Digital Phone Lines

Openreach the provider of the UK\'s telecomm\'s infrastructure is switching to
\'Digital Voice\' which appears to be replacing the copper wired analogue
exchange to residence connection with one based on broadband technology.
See https://www.bt.com/help/landline/digital-voice-migration. The
changeover will be done by 2025. It looks like they are migrating the
entire country onto VOIP. Also, the way handsets connect to the service
inside the house is changing to one using DECT.

The consequences include:

1. Householders having to re-arrange their domestic phone systems—to
establish a connection to their router. Or replace their handsets with a
Digital Voice compatible one.

2. However, BT Digital Voice appears to only work with the routers (Smart
Hub 2) they provide!

3. BT state that if consumers have a monitored alarm that\'s connected to
their landline (like a health pendant or monitored burglar alarm) they\'ll
need to speak to their alarm provider before moving to Digital Voice.
Apparently these systems will stop working.

4. Oh and if there\'s a power cut or your broadband fails, you\'ll be unable
to make calls using Digital Voice, including calls to 999

5. Some areas have no broadband services / or they fail often

Risks: very limited news / announcements about the programme, issues over
requiring householders to change their equipment / undertake technical
re-configuration with limited / little support. Elderly / vulnerable
residents a risk.

Same thing is happening here, in the Boston area. Verizon (the legacy
telco and now an ISP) is dropping copper land lines as fast as
possible.

They do have a battery-box option that costs extra, but seems to be a
good deal, as it allows one to use commodity rechargeable lead-acid
SLA batteries of the sort used for burglar alarms and UPS units.

But getting real technical details out of Verizon is like pulling
teeth.

We also have COMCAST (Xfinity), so at least Verizon has competition.

Joe Gwinn

We moved to broadband (coaxial cable TV) nearly 20 years ago here.
Was our choice, phone got VOIP - a normal phone plugged into a
cable modem. Prior to that all we had was a twisted pair muxed between
3 neighbouring houses...14400 bps was possible on a very good day so
we were just happy when the coaxial cable reached us.

I recall those days. In the 1980s, my future wife would get
frustrated because my phone was busy for hours while I was on this or
that bulletin board. Shields up! or Shields down! as in Star Trek.

The marriage was saved by the arrival of Broadband (meaning cable
then).

I don\'t know if the battery backup would be very useful in your
area, here it would not be useful at all. Even if the cable modem and
everything is powered when there is a blackout in the area
some of the amplifiers/buffers/whatever the boxes in the streets
are just lose power and that is it. In fact if the net stops
I first check (using the mobile internet) for blackouts in the vicinity.

As for the COMCAST cable guys, they claim to have backup power along
the way, I have no way to tell. But when I ask about holdup time for
VOIP telephones via cable, the sales droid gets evasive.

As for the fiber replacement for copper land line, the theory is that
there is pure passive fiber from the equivalent of the central office
to the customer premises, and the ~central office has its own backup
power, so if the user premises also has a battery, life is good, until
the on-premise battery is exhausted, about 24 hours.

Joe Gwinn

 

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Sunday, January 30, 2022 at 3:19:51 AM UTC+11, lang...@fonz.dk wrote:

lørdag den 29. januar 2022 kl. 15.08.09 UTC+1 skrev bill....@ieee.org:
On Sunday, January 30, 2022 at 12:57:41 AM UTC+11, lang...@fonz.dk wrote:
lørdag den 29. januar 2022 kl. 14.43.05 UTC+1 skrev bill....@ieee.org:
On Saturday, January 29, 2022 at 11:42:52 PM UTC+11, lang...@fonz.dk wrote:
fredag den 28. januar 2022 kl. 03.17.38 UTC+1 skrev bill....@ieee..org:
On Friday, January 28, 2022 at 4:39:53 AM UTC+11, Cydrome Leader wrote:
Anthony William Sloman <bill....@ieee.org> wrote:
On Tuesday, January 25, 2022 at 4:09:39 PM UTC+11, Cydrome Leader wrote:
Anthony William Sloman <bill....@ieee.org> wrote:
On Monday, January 24, 2022 at 4:58:51 AM UTC+11, Cydrome Leader wrote:
Anthony William Sloman <bill....@ieee.org> wrote:
On Sunday, January 23, 2022 at 6:20:38 PM UTC+11, Cydrome Leader wrote:
Anthony William Sloman <bill....@ieee.org> wrote:
On Saturday, January 22, 2022 at 6:41:48 PM UTC+11, gnuarm.del...@gmail.com wrote:
On Saturday, January 22, 2022 at 1:01:18 AM UTC-5, Jasen Betts wrote:
On 2022-01-21, John Larkin <jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com> wrote:
On Fri, 21 Jan 2022 20:46:49 -0000 (UTC), Cydrome Leader <pres...@MUNGEpanix.com> wrote:
John Larkin <jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com> wrote:
On Wed, 19 Jan 2022 19:30:11 -0500, \"Tom Del Rosso\" <fizzbin...@that-google-mail-domain.com> wrote:
jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

<snip>

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turbine
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compressor

Note that the axial compressor - item 1.2.4 in the \"compressor\"article - looks exactly like a turbine.

There\'s a reason for that. What\'s going on at the flow level is much the same, but driving the rotating element and having it driven means that it is doing a different job, even if most of the details are much the same.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[whit3rd]

On Thursday, January 27, 2022 at 8:31:53 AM UTC-8, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

Energy costs and supply intermittents drive energy-intensive things to
imports, usually from countries that burn coal.

That sort of thing is, in the long term, a worldwide income equalizer.
And a good source of CO2.

The quality of life that we currently enjoy is dependent on an ecosphere that
evolved with vulcanism as the only supplemetal source of CO2. Excess CO2 in the atmophere is
noted at a few mass extinctions... quality of life was low at those times, and that\'s more
important to a dinosaur than income equality. More than income, actually.
Suffering the cost is better than suffering a mass extinction.

 

[server]

On Sat, 29 Jan 2022 20:11:19 -0800 (PST), whit3rd <whit3rd@gmail.com>
wrote:

On Thursday, January 27, 2022 at 8:31:53 AM UTC-8, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

Energy costs and supply intermittents drive energy-intensive things to
imports, usually from countries that burn coal.

That sort of thing is, in the long term, a worldwide income equalizer.
And a good source of CO2.

The quality of life that we currently enjoy is dependent on an ecosphere that
evolved with vulcanism as the only supplemetal source of CO2. Excess CO2 in the atmophere is
noted at a few mass extinctions... quality of life was low at those times, and that\'s more
important to a dinosaur than income equality. More than income, actually.
Suffering the cost is better than suffering a mass extinction.

https://www.livescience.com/44330-jurassic-dinosaur-carbon-dioxide.html

and

\"During the Cambrian explosion, when multi-cellular life first came on
the scene, CO2 levels were as much as 10 times higher than they are
today.\"


CO2 is plant food. Animals eat plants.





--

I yam what I yam - Popeye

 

[Rick C]

On Sunday, January 30, 2022 at 11:34:35 AM UTC-5, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

On Sat, 29 Jan 2022 20:11:19 -0800 (PST), whit3rd <whi...@gmail.com
wrote:
On Thursday, January 27, 2022 at 8:31:53 AM UTC-8, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

Energy costs and supply intermittents drive energy-intensive things to
imports, usually from countries that burn coal.

That sort of thing is, in the long term, a worldwide income equalizer.
And a good source of CO2.

The quality of life that we currently enjoy is dependent on an ecosphere that
evolved with vulcanism as the only supplemetal source of CO2. Excess CO2 in the atmophere is
noted at a few mass extinctions... quality of life was low at those times, and that\'s more
important to a dinosaur than income equality. More than income, actually.
Suffering the cost is better than suffering a mass extinction.
https://www.livescience.com/44330-jurassic-dinosaur-carbon-dioxide.html

and

\"During the Cambrian explosion, when multi-cellular life first came on
the scene, CO2 levels were as much as 10 times higher than they are
today.\"


CO2 is plant food. Animals eat plants.

Yes, and just like animals, plants can only eat so much. If we grew ten fold the crops we currently produce, would we grow ten fold the animals and would people eat ten fold these animals?

Likewise, doubling the CO2 in the air is not a valuable advantage to the farmer. All the significant advances in agriculture has been in nutrient added to the ground.

I\'m starting to wonder if Larkin is unable to process new information. Even when simple things are explained to him, he doesn\'t seem to understand.

--

Rick C.

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+-+-+ Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209

 

[Arnie Dwyer]

jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

On Sat, 29 Jan 2022 20:11:19 -0800 (PST), whit3rd <whit3rd@gmail.com
wrote:

On Thursday, January 27, 2022 at 8:31:53 AM UTC-8,
jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

Energy costs and supply intermittents drive energy-intensive things to
imports, usually from countries that burn coal.

That sort of thing is, in the long term, a worldwide income equalizer.
And a good source of CO2.

The quality of life that we currently enjoy is dependent on an ecosphere
that evolved with vulcanism as the only supplemetal source of CO2.
Excess CO2 in the atmophere is noted at a few mass extinctions...
quality of life was low at those times, and that\'s more important to a
dinosaur than income equality. More than income, actually. Suffering
the cost is better than suffering a mass extinction.

https://www.livescience.com/44330-jurassic-dinosaur-carbon-dioxide.html

and

\"During the Cambrian explosion, when multi-cellular life first came on
the scene, CO2 levels were as much as 10 times higher than they are
today.\"


CO2 is plant food. Animals eat plants.

There were no animals in the Cambrian era. These did not appear until the
Mesozoic Era which occurred much later. See

https://www.ck12.org/book/ck-12-human-biology/section/6.8/

 

[server]

On Sun, 30 Jan 2022 21:09:09 -0000 (UTC), Arnie Dwyer <spamme@not.com>
wrote:

jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

On Sat, 29 Jan 2022 20:11:19 -0800 (PST), whit3rd <whit3rd@gmail.com
wrote:

On Thursday, January 27, 2022 at 8:31:53 AM UTC-8,
jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

Energy costs and supply intermittents drive energy-intensive things to
imports, usually from countries that burn coal.

That sort of thing is, in the long term, a worldwide income equalizer.
And a good source of CO2.

The quality of life that we currently enjoy is dependent on an ecosphere
that evolved with vulcanism as the only supplemetal source of CO2.
Excess CO2 in the atmophere is noted at a few mass extinctions...
quality of life was low at those times, and that\'s more important to a
dinosaur than income equality. More than income, actually. Suffering
the cost is better than suffering a mass extinction.

https://www.livescience.com/44330-jurassic-dinosaur-carbon-dioxide.html

and

\"During the Cambrian explosion, when multi-cellular life first came on
the scene, CO2 levels were as much as 10 times higher than they are
today.\"


CO2 is plant food. Animals eat plants.

There were no animals in the Cambrian era.

Late Precambrian is not Cambrian. Are we allowed to still day \"duh\" ?

\"The Cambrian explosion, Cambrian radiation or Cambrian
diversification refers to an interval of time approximately 541
million years ago in the Cambrian Period when practically all major
animal phyla started appearing in the fossil record.\"

Wikipedia

These did not appear until the

Mesozoic Era which occurred much later. See

https://www.ck12.org/book/ck-12-human-biology/section/6.8/

Plant and animal Life flourished when it was warm and we had lots of
CO2. Thousands of PPM.

As the earth is greening now. CO2 levels got dangerously low, but
things are improving.

https://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard/2016/carbon-dioxide-fertilization-greening-earth

https://www.dropbox.com/s/a19stdo3bbm2zyk/World_Grain.jpg?raw=1

The other benefit of extracting gas and oil is that fertilizers and
farm machines and irrigation and transport are good for agriculture.

Sorry to disappoint, but things are getting better.



--

I yam what I yam - Popeye

 

[Joe Gwinn]

On Sun, 30 Jan 2022 21:09:09 -0000 (UTC), Arnie Dwyer <spamme@not.com>
wrote:

jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

On Sat, 29 Jan 2022 20:11:19 -0800 (PST), whit3rd <whit3rd@gmail.com
wrote:

On Thursday, January 27, 2022 at 8:31:53 AM UTC-8,
jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

Energy costs and supply intermittents drive energy-intensive things to
imports, usually from countries that burn coal.

That sort of thing is, in the long term, a worldwide income equalizer.
And a good source of CO2.

The quality of life that we currently enjoy is dependent on an ecosphere
that evolved with vulcanism as the only supplemetal source of CO2.
Excess CO2 in the atmophere is noted at a few mass extinctions...
quality of life was low at those times, and that\'s more important to a
dinosaur than income equality. More than income, actually. Suffering
the cost is better than suffering a mass extinction.

https://www.livescience.com/44330-jurassic-dinosaur-carbon-dioxide.html

and

\"During the Cambrian explosion, when multi-cellular life first came on
the scene, CO2 levels were as much as 10 times higher than they are
today.\"


CO2 is plant food. Animals eat plants.

There were no animals in the Cambrian era. These did not appear until the
Mesozoic Era which occurred much later. See

https://www.ck12.org/book/ck-12-human-biology/section/6.8/

I don\'t think that\'s right. Animals are critters that eat other
critters, versus using photosynthesis. Critters that live off
chemical gradients are probably considered animals.

Viruses appear to have evolved very early as well, along with
bacteria.

Anyway, there were lots of one-cell critters that ate other one-celled
critters, long before multi cellular animals evolved. Here is the
early store, the three kingdoms.

..<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archaea>


Joe Gwinn

 

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Monday, January 31, 2022 at 8:52:31 AM UTC+11, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

On Sun, 30 Jan 2022 21:09:09 -0000 (UTC), Arnie Dwyer <spa...@not.com
wrote:
jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

On Sat, 29 Jan 2022 20:11:19 -0800 (PST), whit3rd <whi...@gmail.com
wrote:

On Thursday, January 27, 2022 at 8:31:53 AM UTC-8,
jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

Energy costs and supply intermittents drive energy-intensive things to
imports, usually from countries that burn coal.

That sort of thing is, in the long term, a worldwide income equalizer.
And a good source of CO2.

The quality of life that we currently enjoy is dependent on an ecosphere
that evolved with vulcanism as the only supplemetal source of CO2.
Excess CO2 in the atmophere is noted at a few mass extinctions...
quality of life was low at those times, and that\'s more important to a
dinosaur than income equality. More than income, actually. Suffering
the cost is better than suffering a mass extinction.

https://www.livescience.com/44330-jurassic-dinosaur-carbon-dioxide.html

and

\"During the Cambrian explosion, when multi-cellular life first came on
the scene, CO2 levels were as much as 10 times higher than they are
today.\"


CO2 is plant food. Animals eat plants.

There were no animals in the Cambrian era.
Late Precambrian is not Cambrian. Are we allowed to still day \"duh\" ?

\"The Cambrian explosion, Cambrian radiation or Cambrian
diversification refers to an interval of time approximately 541
million years ago in the Cambrian Period when practically all major
animal phyla started appearing in the fossil record.\"

Wikipedia
These did not appear until the
Mesozoic Era which occurred much later. See

https://www.ck12.org/book/ck-12-human-biology/section/6.8/
Plant and animal Life flourished when it was warm and we had lots of
CO2. Thousands of PPM.

John Larkin hasn\'t noticed that that the Sun was a bit smaller back then, so the earth got somewhat less solar radiation. It needed a bigger greenhouse effect to get warm enough for liquid water (and life).

> As the earth is greening now.

To some extent. More global warming is going to have other effects and there\'s no particular reason to expect the trend to continue. Plants also need water, and while global warming means that more water is going to be evaporated from the oceans (the current one degree Celcius warming means 6% more).. Climate change means that the extra rain isn\'t guaranteed to keep on falling where it used to. We need more crops, not more weeds.

> CO2 levels got dangerously low, but things are improving.

The sun has got bigger since the Carbonifereous, and the atmospheric CO2 level the Earth needs to stay comfortably warm is lower now.

https://www.spacecentre.nz/resources/faq/solar-system/sun/getting-bigger.html

https://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard/2016/carbon-dioxide-fertilization-greening-earth

https://www.dropbox.com/s/a19stdo3bbm2zyk/World_Grain.jpg?raw=1

The other benefit of extracting gas and oil is that fertilizers and farm machines and irrigation and transport are good for agriculture.

You need energy to synthesise fertilisers and build farm machinery. We can now get all the energy we need from solar farms and windmills.

The fossil carbon extraction industry would prefer that we didn\'t, and lie like fury in the hope of hanging onto their income stream for a few more years.

> Sorry to disappoint, but things are getting better.

Climate change isn\'t any kind of improvement, even if climate change denial propaganda tries to tell gullible twits like John Larkin something different.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Arnie Dwyer]

jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

On Sun, 30 Jan 2022 21:09:09 -0000 (UTC), Arnie Dwyer <spamme@not.com
wrote:
[...]

CO2 is plant food. Animals eat plants.

There were no animals in the Cambrian era.

Late Precambrian is not Cambrian. Are we allowed to still day \"duh\" ?

\"The Cambrian explosion, Cambrian radiation or Cambrian
diversification refers to an interval of time approximately 541
million years ago in the Cambrian Period when practically all major
animal phyla started appearing in the fossil record.\"

As you stated, Late Precambrian is not Cambrian. Duh!

Wikipedia

These did not appear until the
Mesozoic Era which occurred much later. See

https://www.ck12.org/book/ck-12-human-biology/section/6.8/


Plant and animal Life flourished when it was warm and we had lots of
CO2. Thousands of PPM.

Too much CO2 is lethal to animals.

As the earth is greening now. CO2 levels got dangerously low, but
things are improving.

https://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard/2016/carbon-dioxide-fertilization-gr
eening-earth

https://www.dropbox.com/s/a19stdo3bbm2zyk/World_Grain.jpg?raw=1

The other benefit of extracting gas and oil is that fertilizers and
farm machines and irrigation and transport are good for agriculture.

Sorry to disappoint, but things are getting better.

I guess you have never heard of Global Warming. Things are not getting
better.

 

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Monday, January 31, 2022 at 1:10:53 PM UTC+11, Arnie Dwyer wrote:

jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

On Sun, 30 Jan 2022 21:09:09 -0000 (UTC), Arnie Dwyer <spa...@not.com
wrote:

<snip>

Sorry to disappoint, but things are getting better.

I guess you have never heard of Global Warming. Things are not getting better.

John Larkin has heard about global warming, but he is a gullible twit, and believes what the fossil carbon extraction industry wants him to believe.

He\'s a sucker for climate change denial propaganda and believes all the twaddle that Anthony Watts (and all the other propagandists) peddle.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthony_Watts_(blogger)

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[whit3rd]

On Sunday, January 30, 2022 at 8:34:35 AM UTC-8, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

On Sat, 29 Jan 2022 20:11:19 -0800 (PST), whit3rd <whi...@gmail.com
wrote:
On Thursday, January 27, 2022 at 8:31:53 AM UTC-8, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

Energy costs and supply intermittents drive energy-intensive things to
imports, usually from countries that burn coal.

That sort of thing is, in the long term, a worldwide income equalizer.
And a good source of CO2.

The quality of life that we currently enjoy is dependent on an ecosphere that
evolved with vulcanism as the only supplemetal source of CO2. Excess CO2 in the atmophere is
noted at a few mass extinctions...

\"During the Cambrian explosion, when multi-cellular life first came on
the scene, CO2 levels were as much as 10 times higher than they are
today.\"

At that time, there was a very different ecosystem (if it can even be called that)
and certainly didn\'t support human life.

> CO2 is plant food. Animals eat plants.

So, we\'re polluting the air with excessive plant food. Phosphates in lakes cause
clots of algae, that\'s water pollution with a plant nutrient.

 

[server]

On Sun, 30 Jan 2022 20:00:56 -0800 (PST), whit3rd <whit3rd@gmail.com>
wrote:

On Sunday, January 30, 2022 at 8:34:35 AM UTC-8, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Sat, 29 Jan 2022 20:11:19 -0800 (PST), whit3rd <whi...@gmail.com
wrote:
On Thursday, January 27, 2022 at 8:31:53 AM UTC-8, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

Energy costs and supply intermittents drive energy-intensive things to
imports, usually from countries that burn coal.

That sort of thing is, in the long term, a worldwide income equalizer.
And a good source of CO2.

The quality of life that we currently enjoy is dependent on an ecosphere that
evolved with vulcanism as the only supplemetal source of CO2. Excess CO2 in the atmophere is
noted at a few mass extinctions...

\"During the Cambrian explosion, when multi-cellular life first came on
the scene, CO2 levels were as much as 10 times higher than they are
today.\"

At that time, there was a very different ecosystem (if it can even be called that)
and certainly didn\'t support human life.

It would have. We just hadn\'t evolved yet.



--

I yam what I yam - Popeye