Driver to drive?

On Friday, October 25, 2013 5:58:28 PM UTC-4, Bob F wrote:

krw wrote:

How exactly is employer mandated insurance any different than government
mandated insurance.

For one, it's voluntary. For another, a government that can force you to
buy insurance can force you to do absolutely anything. That's the opposite
of a government of, by, and for the People.

And what is wrong with the Republican concept of a mandate.
It worked for Romney.

Calling it a Republican concept is untrue, and irrelevant. No, it
didn't work for Romney--Massachusetts isn't working. Romneycare's
70 pages have sent rates soaring and doctors scampering.

The Repubs pushed it for years before the Democrats
decided they could do it if the Repubs like it so.

Nope. The who-said-what is really tiresome--why not defend it on its
merits? It's the federal government, exercising unlimited power,
demanding access to your most private information, etc.

The problem it supposedly solves--cost-shifting--is phony. First, that's
a small part of health costs, and second, Obamacare institutionalizes
cost-shifting, making it possible to apply from your couch, and shifts
the costs permanently onto consumers and taxpayers. All hidden, dishonestly.
Like the welfare subsidies.

I'm glad krw wants to live in a world where he's rich and everyone else is dog
poor. I'm sure the coming Republican ideal America will be a wonderful place for
him. It just sounds like such a wonderful place when they've eliminated the
middle class. Krw - have you hired your armed bodyguards yet?

Obamacare creates that world, where poor people are kept poor, jobless, and
dependent on a rich elite.

Obama's entire philosophy does that; the trend has never been faster
than under him. Median household income is falling, thanks to Obama,
and Washington D.C. is the richest city in the country, yet still plagued
with the worst crime, schools, and destitution.

Yes we can.

Cheers,
James Arthur

 

On Friday, October 25, 2013 6:04:59 PM UTC-4, F.O.A.D. wrote:

On 10/25/13, 5:58 PM, Bob F wrote:

I'm glad krw wants to live in a world where he's rich and everyone else is dog
poor. I'm sure the coming Republican ideal America will be a wonderful place for
him. It just sounds like such a wonderful place when they've eliminated the
middle class. Krw - have you hired your armed bodyguards yet?


My guess is that if we don't get some income equality back in this
country, and if the rich don't stop their looting at the expense of the
middle class and the poor, we're going to see Republican heads on pikes.

The only rich people looting you are companies doing it
at the government's request, like the Obamacare developers,
green energy, G.E., Buffett, Wall Street, etc.

But Obama will never kill the elite--they're essential. Obama's
whole liberal model is that poor people are inferior, incapable,
and the only solution is to force patrons to patronize them.

So, O has to cultivate a patron class, and encourage it. Not
kill it. He needs them to support all the dependent
voters^H^H^H^H^H people he's creating.

Cheers,
James Arthur

 

On Friday, October 25, 2013 8:20:58 PM UTC-4, Bob F wrote:

krw wrote:

Too bad your governor, who didn't believe the ACA would come to pass,
didn't prepare your state for it, eh?


Wrong again, dumbshit. His governor (and mine) didn't drink the
KoolAid, as yours obviously did.


I just heard on the news that 36 states are having real problems with the
federal site. Funny, but that's exactly how many states bagged out of their
chance to do it themselves. There go those silly Republicans again, creating a
problem, and then blaming it on anyone but themselves.

That's a funny argument. You're arguing that the federal gov't
should control health care, but that states should do it themselves,
since the feds are such idiots.

There are a lot of good reasons states opted out. One is the
upcoming Supreme Court IRS subsidy case...

Other than competence, there's no advantage to the states to
open expensive bureaucracies at federal whim, but at the
states' expense. Since they'll run it anyhow, might as well
let the feds own it.

Cheers,
James Arthur

 

On Friday, October 25, 2013 8:20:58 PM UTC-4, Bob F wrote:

krw wrote:

Too bad your governor, who didn't believe the ACA would come to pass,
didn't prepare your state for it, eh

Wrong again, dumbshit. His governor (and mine) didn't drink th
KoolAid, as yours obviously did.


I just heard on the news that 36 states are having real problems with the
federal site. Funny, but that's exactly how many states bagged out of their
chance to do it themselves. There go those silly Republicans again, creating a
problem, and then blaming it on anyone but themselves.

So, Obamacare rips the rug out from everyone, jacks up their
rates, kills their plans, and won't let them get another.
Republicans did that?

It doesn't seem to be working well in the states that
did it themselves, either.

New York: Holy Adverse Selection, Batman! - Medicaid enrollees outnumber insurance customers 2:1
http://westfaironline.com/58603/ny-health-exchange-enrolls-over-37000/

Nice overview:
http://townhall.com/tipsheet/guybenson/2013/10/25/cbs-news-obamacares-financial-model-is-in-danger-of-collapsing-n1732009

Can't Keep Your Plan
16 million individuals will lose plans
http://townhall.com/tipsheet/guybenson/2013/10/24/estimate-16-million-americans-will-lose-current-coverage-because-of-obamacare-n1731700

(That's just individuals. Small employers, then large will follow)

Oregon has zero enrolled as of today. Yes we can't!

It's failing because it's misconceived.

Cheers,
James Arthur

 

[John Larkin]

On Fri, 25 Oct 2013 16:31:07 -0700 (PDT), fredander503@gmail.com
wrote:

>WHAT? pray tell does any of this political nonsense have to do with eletronics ????? This is ALL SPAM ! !

Design anything interesting lately? Show us.


--

John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc

jlarkin at highlandtechnology dot com
http://www.highlandtechnology.com

Precision electronic instrumentation
Picosecond-resolution Digital Delay and Pulse generators
Custom laser drivers and controllers
Photonics and fiberoptic TTL data links
VME thermocouple, LVDT, synchro acquisition and simulation

 

On Friday, October 25, 2013 10:48:52 PM UTC-4, bloggs.fred...@gmail.com wrote:

On Wednesday, October 23, 2013 2:40:21 PM UTC-4, amdx wrote:

On 10/23/2013 1:16 PM, fredbloggs wrote:
On Wednesday, October 23, 2013 1:12:58 PM UTC-4, amdx wrote:

Okay, so you don't know the difference between a copay and a deductible, that makes you ignorantly unreliable.

I went back and read what I wrote, yes I did use copay, when I meant
deductible. Odd for me because I haven't paid a copay for over 6 years,
because of my high deductible.

I know you want to defend Obamacare, but using my misplaced word is
not going to make Obamacare any better.



What is it with you misinformed people and misunderstanding Obamacare to be synonymous with your insurance policy??? Obamacare merely regulates minimum coverage and coverage policy ( excluding lifetime limits and existing condition exclusions etc...), but your policy is coming from the private insurance industry, not the government.

Obamacare fully specifies the insurance, who can sell it,
how, where, under what conditions, for how much, (and other
mundane minutiae like the forms you must use, records' sharing
and formats, "culturally appropriate" requirements, and lots
more) and tries to force everyone to buy it.

It's not private at all. The government forces you to buy
it, and controls every aspect of it.


Cheers,
James Arthur

 

On Saturday, October 26, 2013 12:28:10 AM UTC-4, dagmarg...@yahoo.com wrote:

Obamacare fully specifies the insurance, who can sell it,

how, where, under what conditions, for how much, (and other

mundane minutiae like the forms you must use, records' sharing

and formats, "culturally appropriate" requirements, and lots

more) and tries to force everyone to buy it.



It's not private at all. The government forces you to buy

it, and controls every aspect of it.

No question, it is now the law you have to have insurance. It's been that way with automobile insurance for a long time, minimum coverages too, this is absolutely nothing new.

God forbid the government should require people to budget responsibly!

 

[Greegor]

bloggs.fred wrote
> God forbid the government should require people to budget responsibly!

A government that can't budget diddly
intends to advise citizens on how to
budget?

 

On Fri, 25 Oct 2013 20:14:36 -0700 (PDT), dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com
wrote:

On Friday, October 25, 2013 6:04:59 PM UTC-4, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 10/25/13, 5:58 PM, Bob F wrote:

I'm glad krw wants to live in a world where he's rich and everyone else is dog
poor. I'm sure the coming Republican ideal America will be a wonderful place for
him. It just sounds like such a wonderful place when they've eliminated the
middle class. Krw - have you hired your armed bodyguards yet?


My guess is that if we don't get some income equality back in this
country, and if the rich don't stop their looting at the expense of the
middle class and the poor, we're going to see Republican heads on pikes.

The only rich people looting you are companies doing it
at the government's request, like the Obamacare developers,
green energy, G.E., Buffett, Wall Street, etc.

But Obama will never kill the elite--they're essential. Obama's
whole liberal model is that poor people are inferior, incapable,
and the only solution is to force patrons to patronize them.

So, O has to cultivate a patron class, and encourage it. Not
kill it. He needs them to support all the dependent
voters^H^H^H^H^H people he's creating.

But he's actively killing those who have the most to steal (small
businesses). GE doesn't (lawyers). Google doesn't (accountants).
Ma-n-Pop hardware store does (can't afford them).

 

On Sat, 26 Oct 2013 00:22:59 -0700 (PDT), Greegor
<greegor47@gmail.com> wrote:

bloggs.fred wrote
God forbid the government should require people to budget responsibly!

A government that can't budget diddly
intends to advise citizens on how to
budget?

They know how to control people. That's the whole point.

 

[Greegor]

On Saturday, October 26, 2013 11:33:06 AM UTC-5, Bob F wrote:

And only right wingers behave like you.
What do the koch brothers pay you for this?

Sure and Soros pays you right?

 

[Greegor]

Do you really think the Koch brothers is
the best the Republicans have?

They'd pale in comparison to the
left's Soros wouldn't they?

 

On Sat, 26 Oct 2013 18:33:50 -0700 (PDT), Greegor
<greegor47@gmail.com> wrote:

Do you really think the Koch brothers is
the best the Republicans have?

They'd pale in comparison to the
^^^^
left's Soros wouldn't they?

Careful. BobF will accuse you of being a racist. It's the lefty way.

 

On Saturday, October 26, 2013 12:48:37 AM UTC-4, bloggs.fred...@gmail.com wrote:

On Saturday, October 26, 2013 12:28:10 AM UTC-4, dagmarg...@yahoo.com wrote:

Obamacare fully specifies the insurance, who can sell it,
how, where, under what conditions, for how much, (and other
mundane minutiae like the forms you must use, records' sharing
and formats, "culturally appropriate" requirements, and lots
more) and tries to force everyone to buy it.

It's not private at all. The government forces you to buy
it, and controls every aspect of it.

No question, it is now the law you have to have insurance. It's been that way with automobile insurance for a long time, minimum coverages too, this is absolutely nothing new.
God forbid the government should require people to budget responsibly!

The federal government has never required you to buy auto insurance,
nor was it Constitutionally able.

You define a profligate government taking away its people's savings
(and the futures and investments they could've bought with them, and
their health plans) and forcing them to buy over-priced, lower-grade
Obamapolicies they can't use as "responsibility."

Congess, requiring Americans to budget responsibly? How is that not
backwards (if not absurd)?

It's also not true. Demcare's made responsibility illegal--
high deductible plans are outlawed. Worse, it's now exceedingly
attractive to be unproductive *and* irresponsible--Demcare
pays for that handsomely.

Demcare's just a massive welfare entitlement on top of entitlements
Obama has already said are breaking our back, when we can least
afford it. Plans are made "affordable" by the triple magic of taxes,
welfare subsidies to your insurance companies, and forcible premium
inflation.

The vast majority of the subscribers so far are new Medicaiders,
and by far most of the rest are getting the welfare credits.
Welfare.

It all boils down to their unifying theme: that you can make
one person prosperous not by making them industrious, but by
redistributing them someone else's hard work. (And health care,
in this case.) And don't forget to take what little they might
have saved before they save it, lest they escape poverty and
start voting for property rights, merit, and hard work.


Cheers,
James Arthur

 

[Bill Sloman]

On Monday, 28 October 2013 01:06:01 UTC+11, dagmarg...@yahoo.com wrote:

On Saturday, October 26, 2013 12:48:37 AM UTC-4, bloggs.fred...@gmail.com wrote:
On Saturday, October 26, 2013 12:28:10 AM UTC-4, dagmarg...@yahoo.com wrote:

<snipped the usual bilge>

It all boils down to their unifying theme: that you can make
one person prosperous not by making them industrious, but by
redistributing them someone else's hard work. (And health care,
in this case.) And don't forget to take what little they might
have saved before they save it, lest they escape poverty and
start voting for property rights, merit, and hard work.

It escapes James Arthur that Germany is more prosperous that the USA
(and exports more goods than the USA despite having only a quarter of the population) precisely because it does redistribute more of the income of the rich to feed, educate and train the poor, and buy better health care for all.

If he'd ever visited Germany, he might have noticed that while the poor are better supported than they are in the US, the middle and upper classes aren't in any sense impoverished or deprived by the higher taxes they pay, and seem to be happy to sustain an able and innovative manufacturing economy.

And if he had enough sense to learn anything about the German health care system he'd know that it costs about two-thirds of the price per head of the US
health care system, provides universal health care, and better population wide health statistics than the US can dream of. US cancer survival statistics are marginally better (for the fully insured) than German cancer survival statistics, but that advantage is a side effect of US anti-malpractice insurance driven over-testing. The derisory advantage in quality-adjusted-years-of-life is very dearly bought - not only in money (since the tests are expensive) but also in distress, since the tests inevitably throw up a lot of false positives, and the occasional unnecessary over-treatment.

If he had any sense he'd be railing at Obama for not being socialist enough to rip up the existing US health care system, which is internationally recognised as catastrophically ill-organised, and replace it with a direct copy of the French or German (or Dutch) systems, which work better and are cheaper. They aren't as cheap as the UK's National Health Service but the waiting lists for non-urgent surgery are a lot shorter.

He's now going to respond with some rubbish about the USA being exceptional, and not susceptible to schemes that work well for everybody else, when it's only exceptional in having a rich ruling class which has a lot more political power than is good for country or for its own long-term prosperity.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

On Saturday, October 26, 2013 3:22:59 AM UTC-4, Greegor wrote:

bloggs.fred wrote

God forbid the government should require people to budget responsibly!

A government that can't budget diddly
intends to advise citizens on how to
budget?

Not advise, overrule.

James Arthur

 

On Saturday, October 26, 2013 9:00:13 AM UTC-4, k...@attt.bizz wrote:

On Fri, 25 Oct 2013 20:14:36 -0700 (PDT), dag... wrote:
On Friday, October 25, 2013 6:04:59 PM UTC-4, F.O.A.D. wrote:

My guess is that if we don't get some income equality back in this
country, and if the rich don't stop their looting at the expense of the
middle class and the poor, we're going to see Republican heads on pikes.

The only rich people looting you are companies doing it
at the government's request, like the Obamacare developers,
green energy, G.E., Buffett, Wall Street, etc.

But Obama will never kill the elite--they're essential. Obama's
whole liberal model is that poor people are inferior, incapable,
and the only solution is to force patrons to patronize them.

So, O has to cultivate a patron class, and encourage it. Not
kill it. He needs them to support all the dependent
voters^H^H^H^H^H people he's creating.

But he's actively killing those who have the most to steal (small
businesses). GE doesn't (lawyers). Google doesn't (accountants).
Ma-n-Pop hardware store does (can't afford them).

That's part of the package. Regulations miniscule to G.E.
kill off their would-be tiny competitors.

No matter--they didn't support O anyhow.


Cheers,
James Arthur

 

[piglet]

Tim Williams wrote:
highly localized and loosely generalized heating methods. In order of HAZ
(heat affected zone) size, smallest to largest: e-beam, laser, spot, arc,
torch, friction, induction, forge. (Give or take various considerations

To Tim Williams list I would add "parallel gap resistance" welds. Used during the Apollo era to connect flat pack IC leads to printed wiring instead of solder.

Not sure though where parallel gap resistance welding would fit in the HAZ ranking.

 

[RobertMacy]

On Fri, 25 Oct 2013 15:29:04 -0700, F.O.A.D. <noway@jose.com> wrote:

...snip....
My guess is that if we don't get some income equality back in this
country, and if the rich don't stop their looting at the expense of
the middle class and the poor, we're going to see Republican heads on
pikes.

Someone posted the results from an organization that analyzes wealth
distribution in countries. The US was way behind most European countries
and very shockingly, behind China AND Russia?!

 

[RobertMacy]

On Fri, 25 Oct 2013 19:48:52 -0700, <bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com>
wrote:

...snip...
What is it with you misinformed people and misunderstanding Obamacare to
be synonymous with your insurance policy??? Obamacare merely regulates
minimum coverage and coverage policy ( excluding lifetime limits and
existing condition exclusions etc...), but your policy is coming from
the private insurance industry, not the government.

Doesn't it also force you to buy a product [insurance policy] from private
industry?

That's a bit similar to "You MUST by food from farmers [Agra-Industries],
you CANNOT grow it yourself."