Driver to drive?

Baron wrote:
Sylvia Else Inscribed thus:

Baron wrote:
Sylvia Else Inscribed thus:

Robert Baer wrote:
PeterD wrote:
On Sat, 26 Dec 2009 19:38:11 -0800, Robert Baer
robertbaer@localnet.com> wrote:

Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Fri, 25 Dec 2009 21:15:06 -0800) it happened
Robert Baer
robertbaer@localnet.com> wrote in
1KOdndg809PrBqjWnZ2dnUVZ_rCdnZ2d@posted.localnet>:

Well i tried one of those recordings on
http://www.payphone-directory.org/sounds.html and the
marketeers that constantly call _continued_ to call; i "gave it
a try for at least 2 weeks.
What really pissed me off was that one of them came up with a
"UUU" "no number" ID and so i (finally) used *57, got the
message that the call was traced; after trapping 3 of them i
called the so-called call annoyance bureau and they had *NO*
record, meaning the message was a blatant lie.
The PUC said that *57 was not for tracing marketeers and that
i
should not have used it, and that they would not press the
issue to Qwest (my "provider").
Say what? How the hell else can i catch these bastards?
Pissant bureaucrats!
**
It would appear that a TOTAL disconnect of my phone _might_
stop
these calls..
Just pick up the phoe with: 'Department of Homeland Security'.
* IMPOSSIBLE; they hang up immediately on line pick-up.
Most states this is a violation of law... COvered under the
'harrassing and threatening phone calls' statutes...
That "law" is virtually irrelevant, since i cannot find out who
it is
doing this crap.
I would think that finding out who is making harrassing calls would
be a function of the police, who would seek the assistance of the
telco.

Sylvia.
The Police are not in the slightest bit interested unless you can
hand the perpetrator to them on a plate.
There are some protocols they're required to follow. If the frontline
people won't act, then escalate it to their superiors. The situation
isn't the same as the scam letter, because there are mechanisms in
place to identify the source of harrassing phone calls.

I found

http://www.qwest.com/wholesale/clecs/features/calltrace.html

Note the manual trace requirements. You need a law-enforcement case
number, etc. You don't require that the police actually to have done
anything about it at that point. Make enough fuss, and demand a case
number, and I'm sure the police will create one just to shut you up.

Sylvia.

Thanks for the info. I'm in the UK.
BT (British Telecom) are the primary provider here.
I hadn't grasped that I was talking to two separate people with a
similar problem.

The same point about escalating to higher authority applies in the UK.

See http://tinyurl.com/ydyrzzs if you haven't already.

Never accept a refusal from the person you first talk to about a problem
like this. Always ask to speak to their supervisor if they won't assist.
If you still get no joy, put your complaint in writing, and send it to
the head-office by registered post. Put a note in the letter mentioning
that it was sent by registered post (stops them putting it into the two
hard basket with the intent of denying receipt later).

Sylvia.
 
Sylvia Else wrote:
Robert Baer wrote:
PeterD wrote:
On Sat, 26 Dec 2009 19:38:11 -0800, Robert Baer
robertbaer@localnet.com> wrote:

Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Fri, 25 Dec 2009 21:15:06 -0800) it happened Robert
Baer
robertbaer@localnet.com> wrote in
1KOdndg809PrBqjWnZ2dnUVZ_rCdnZ2d@posted.localnet>:

Well i tried one of those recordings on
http://www.payphone-directory.org/sounds.html and the marketeers
that constantly call _continued_ to call; i "gave it a try for at
least 2 weeks.
What really pissed me off was that one of them came up with a
"UUU" "no number" ID and so i (finally) used *57, got the message
that the call was traced; after trapping 3 of them i called the
so-called call annoyance bureau and they had *NO* record, meaning
the message was a blatant lie.
The PUC said that *57 was not for tracing marketeers and that i
should not have used it, and that they would not press the issue
to Qwest (my "provider").
Say what? How the hell else can i catch these bastards?
Pissant bureaucrats!
**
It would appear that a TOTAL disconnect of my phone _might_ stop
these calls..
Just pick up the phoe with: 'Department of Homeland Security'.
* IMPOSSIBLE; they hang up immediately on line pick-up.

Most states this is a violation of law... COvered under the
'harrassing and threatening phone calls' statutes...
That "law" is virtually irrelevant, since i cannot find out who it
is doing this crap.

I would think that finding out who is making harrassing calls would be a
function of the police, who would seek the assistance of the telco.

Sylvia.
Strange...you seem to think the police are supposed to "uphold the law".
Their only true function is to use traffic violations to collect
money for the city.
It is a fact that in some cities the officers are TOLD (daily) to
earn their pay by writing tickets.
**
They refused to help me.
 
Sylvia Else wrote:
Robert Baer wrote:
Well i tried one of those recordings on
http://www.payphone-directory.org/sounds.html and the marketeers that
constantly call _continued_ to call; i "gave it a try for at least 2
weeks.
What really pissed me off was that one of them came up with a "UUU"
"no number" ID and so i (finally) used *57, got the message that the
call was traced; after trapping 3 of them i called the so-called call
annoyance bureau and they had *NO* record, meaning the message was a
blatant lie.
The PUC said that *57 was not for tracing marketeers and that i
should not have used it, and that they would not press the issue to
Qwest (my "provider").

Why would they assume it was marketeers?

Sylvia.
Maybe that is one of their parrot answers?
 
PeterD wrote:
On Sun, 27 Dec 2009 21:53:43 -0800, Robert Baer
robertbaer@localnet.com> wrote:

PeterD wrote:

Most states this is a violation of law... COvered under the
'harrassing and threatening phone calls' statutes...
That "law" is virtually irrelevant, since i cannot find out who it is
doing this crap.

The telephone company has facilities to trace these calls. Absolutely,
it's required. They ONLY release the information to law enforcement.
Call your phone company and ask that a trap be put on your line. Then
contact local law enforcement and inform them of the situation. When
the event happens, tell the local law enforcement, they will then
contact the telephone company and the information will be in their
hands.

The conditions are that a given caller must make at least 3 calls in
(i think) a week.
Normally you would say this is a slam dunk in that they call so many
times a day and almost every day in a week period.
BUT.
They _stop_ as soon as i try this, i get peace for maybe a week, and
then they slowly start up again.
Been there, tried that.
 
PeterD wrote:
On Sun, 27 Dec 2009 21:55:22 -0800, Robert Baer
robertbaer@localnet.com> wrote:


They say that they cannot do anything, because....i have zero info on
the callers.

Robert, where are you located?
In Portland Oregon; what difference does it make?
 
Jim Thompson wrote:
On Sun, 27 Dec 2009 21:56:53 -0800, Robert Baer
robertbaer@localnet.com> wrote:

Jim Thompson wrote:
On Sat, 26 Dec 2009 19:49:58 -0800, Robert Baer
robertbaer@localnet.com> wrote:

Jim Thompson wrote:
On Fri, 25 Dec 2009 21:15:06 -0800, Robert Baer
robertbaer@localnet.com> wrote:

Well i tried one of those recordings on
http://www.payphone-directory.org/sounds.html and the marketeers that
constantly call _continued_ to call; i "gave it a try for at least 2 weeks.
What really pissed me off was that one of them came up with a "UUU"
"no number" ID and so i (finally) used *57, got the message that the
call was traced; after trapping 3 of them i called the so-called call
annoyance bureau and they had *NO* record, meaning the message was a
blatant lie.
The PUC said that *57 was not for tracing marketeers and that i
should not have used it, and that they would not press the issue to
Qwest (my "provider").
Say what? How the hell else can i catch these bastards?
Pissant bureaucrats!
**
It would appear that a TOTAL disconnect of my phone _might_ stop
these calls..
After the holidays I plan to buy...

http://jfteck.com/

And make some additional modifications.

...Jim Thompson
..well, they lie in saying no extra monthly charges,as caller ID service
is an extra monthly charge.
It's not my problem that you are so cheap that you don't have
caller-ID.

And stop whining... is there anyone who really needs to call you
anyway ?:)

...Jim Thompson
I _have_ caller ID and it is useless for most of the callers (zero info).

Is "Reject on No Info" difficult for you?

...Jim Thompson
I do not pick up the phone unless i (1) hear a voice, (2) recognize
the voice, and (3) they say something relevant.
Translation: one of 50 pass.
 
Martin Brown wrote:
Robert Baer wrote:
PeterD wrote:
On Sat, 26 Dec 2009 19:38:11 -0800, Robert Baer
robertbaer@localnet.com> wrote:

Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Fri, 25 Dec 2009 21:15:06 -0800) it happened Robert
Baer
robertbaer@localnet.com> wrote in
1KOdndg809PrBqjWnZ2dnUVZ_rCdnZ2d@posted.localnet>:

Well i tried one of those recordings on
http://www.payphone-directory.org/sounds.html and the marketeers
that constantly call _continued_ to call; i "gave it a try for at
least 2 weeks.
What really pissed me off was that one of them came up with a
"UUU" "no number" ID and so i (finally) used *57, got the message
that the call was traced; after trapping 3 of them i called the
so-called call annoyance bureau and they had *NO* record, meaning
the message was a blatant lie.
The PUC said that *57 was not for tracing marketeers and that i
should not have used it, and that they would not press the issue
to Qwest (my "provider").
Say what? How the hell else can i catch these bastards?
Pissant bureaucrats!
**
It would appear that a TOTAL disconnect of my phone _might_ stop
these calls..

Change to ex-directory and select no inclusion in any public catalogues.
This will make you invisible to all but the most determined random
number phone spammer systems. It stops friends finding you too.
* Does not work; being unlisted makes zero difference, changing phone
numbers gives peace for a few weeks.
I do pass on new phone number to friends only and they do not blab.
I use the standard 555-1212 on web forms.

Just pick up the phoe with: 'Department of Homeland Security'.
* IMPOSSIBLE; they hang up immediately on line pick-up.

Most states this is a violation of law... COvered under the
'harrassing and threatening phone calls' statutes...

That "law" is virtually irrelevant, since i cannot find out who it
is doing this crap.

If you are getting a high proportion of dead air calls then take it to
whoever regulates telecoms in the USA. There must be some standards of
telecom provider performance even in the land of the free spammer.

Dead air calls count as harassment in many jurisdictions.

Regards,
Martin Brown
 
Sylvia Else wrote:
Baron wrote:
Sylvia Else Inscribed thus:

Robert Baer wrote:
PeterD wrote:
On Sat, 26 Dec 2009 19:38:11 -0800, Robert Baer
robertbaer@localnet.com> wrote:

Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Fri, 25 Dec 2009 21:15:06 -0800) it happened
Robert Baer
robertbaer@localnet.com> wrote in
1KOdndg809PrBqjWnZ2dnUVZ_rCdnZ2d@posted.localnet>:

Well i tried one of those recordings on
http://www.payphone-directory.org/sounds.html and the marketeers
that constantly call _continued_ to call; i "gave it a try for at
least 2 weeks.
What really pissed me off was that one of them came up with a
"UUU" "no number" ID and so i (finally) used *57, got the message
that the call was traced; after trapping 3 of them i called the
so-called call annoyance bureau and they had *NO* record, meaning
the message was a blatant lie.
The PUC said that *57 was not for tracing marketeers and that i
should not have used it, and that they would not press the issue
to Qwest (my "provider").
Say what? How the hell else can i catch these bastards?
Pissant bureaucrats!
**
It would appear that a TOTAL disconnect of my phone _might_
stop
these calls..
Just pick up the phoe with: 'Department of Homeland Security'.
* IMPOSSIBLE; they hang up immediately on line pick-up.
Most states this is a violation of law... COvered under the
'harrassing and threatening phone calls' statutes...
That "law" is virtually irrelevant, since i cannot find out who it
is
doing this crap.
I would think that finding out who is making harrassing calls would be
a function of the police, who would seek the assistance of the telco.

Sylvia.

The Police are not in the slightest bit interested unless you can hand
the perpetrator to them on a plate.

There are some protocols they're required to follow. If the frontline
people won't act, then escalate it to their superiors. The situation
isn't the same as the scam letter, because there are mechanisms in place
to identify the source of harrassing phone calls.

I found

http://www.qwest.com/wholesale/clecs/features/calltrace.html

Note the manual trace requirements. You need a law-enforcement case
number, etc. You don't require that the police actually to have done
anything about it at that point. Make enough fuss, and demand a case
number, and I'm sure the police will create one just to shut you up.

Sylvia.
Yeh; lies.
I used *57 three times on a "no name no number" call, the recorded
voice said the calls were traced and i would be charged $$$ each time.
*LIE*
I then called the given number, the so-called call annoyance bureau,
and they HAD *NO* RECORD of them.
I even told them the exact date and times - to NO avail.
When i got the bill, i called Qwest office and they -->immediately<--
and cheerfully dropped the charges!
That attitude makes me believe they know the *57 is a scam.
And the PUC does not give a damn.
 
Robert Baer wrote:
Sylvia Else wrote:
Robert Baer wrote:
PeterD wrote:
On Sat, 26 Dec 2009 19:38:11 -0800, Robert Baer
robertbaer@localnet.com> wrote:

Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Fri, 25 Dec 2009 21:15:06 -0800) it happened
Robert Baer
robertbaer@localnet.com> wrote in
1KOdndg809PrBqjWnZ2dnUVZ_rCdnZ2d@posted.localnet>:

Well i tried one of those recordings on
http://www.payphone-directory.org/sounds.html and the marketeers
that constantly call _continued_ to call; i "gave it a try for at
least 2 weeks.
What really pissed me off was that one of them came up with a
"UUU" "no number" ID and so i (finally) used *57, got the message
that the call was traced; after trapping 3 of them i called the
so-called call annoyance bureau and they had *NO* record, meaning
the message was a blatant lie.
The PUC said that *57 was not for tracing marketeers and that i
should not have used it, and that they would not press the issue
to Qwest (my "provider").
Say what? How the hell else can i catch these bastards?
Pissant bureaucrats!
**
It would appear that a TOTAL disconnect of my phone _might_
stop these calls..
Just pick up the phoe with: 'Department of Homeland Security'.
* IMPOSSIBLE; they hang up immediately on line pick-up.

Most states this is a violation of law... COvered under the
'harrassing and threatening phone calls' statutes...
That "law" is virtually irrelevant, since i cannot find out who it
is doing this crap.

I would think that finding out who is making harrassing calls would be
a function of the police, who would seek the assistance of the telco.

Sylvia.
Strange...you seem to think the police are supposed to "uphold the law".
Their only true function is to use traffic violations to collect money
for the city.
It seems odd that a lot of people end up in prison then.

It is a fact that in some cities the officers are TOLD (daily) to earn
their pay by writing tickets.
**
They refused to help me.
What happened when you escalated it by making a complaint about the
matter in writing?

Sylvia.
 
Robert Baer wrote:
Sylvia Else wrote:
Robert Baer wrote:
Well i tried one of those recordings on
http://www.payphone-directory.org/sounds.html and the marketeers that
constantly call _continued_ to call; i "gave it a try for at least 2
weeks.
What really pissed me off was that one of them came up with a "UUU"
"no number" ID and so i (finally) used *57, got the message that the
call was traced; after trapping 3 of them i called the so-called call
annoyance bureau and they had *NO* record, meaning the message was a
blatant lie.
The PUC said that *57 was not for tracing marketeers and that i
should not have used it, and that they would not press the issue to
Qwest (my "provider").

Why would they assume it was marketeers?

Sylvia.
Maybe that is one of their parrot answers?
So you didn't say it was marketeers, but you didn't ask them why they
thought it was marketeers?

Have you tried asking to speak to a supervisor?

Sylvia.
 
Robert Baer wrote:
Sylvia Else wrote:
Baron wrote:
Sylvia Else Inscribed thus:

Robert Baer wrote:
PeterD wrote:
On Sat, 26 Dec 2009 19:38:11 -0800, Robert Baer
robertbaer@localnet.com> wrote:

Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Fri, 25 Dec 2009 21:15:06 -0800) it happened
Robert Baer
robertbaer@localnet.com> wrote in
1KOdndg809PrBqjWnZ2dnUVZ_rCdnZ2d@posted.localnet>:

Well i tried one of those recordings on
http://www.payphone-directory.org/sounds.html and the marketeers
that constantly call _continued_ to call; i "gave it a try for at
least 2 weeks.
What really pissed me off was that one of them came up with a
"UUU" "no number" ID and so i (finally) used *57, got the message
that the call was traced; after trapping 3 of them i called the
so-called call annoyance bureau and they had *NO* record, meaning
the message was a blatant lie.
The PUC said that *57 was not for tracing marketeers and that i
should not have used it, and that they would not press the issue
to Qwest (my "provider").
Say what? How the hell else can i catch these bastards?
Pissant bureaucrats!
**
It would appear that a TOTAL disconnect of my phone _might_
stop
these calls..
Just pick up the phoe with: 'Department of Homeland Security'.
* IMPOSSIBLE; they hang up immediately on line pick-up.
Most states this is a violation of law... COvered under the
'harrassing and threatening phone calls' statutes...
That "law" is virtually irrelevant, since i cannot find out who it
is
doing this crap.
I would think that finding out who is making harrassing calls would be
a function of the police, who would seek the assistance of the telco.

Sylvia.

The Police are not in the slightest bit interested unless you can hand
the perpetrator to them on a plate.

There are some protocols they're required to follow. If the frontline
people won't act, then escalate it to their superiors. The situation
isn't the same as the scam letter, because there are mechanisms in
place to identify the source of harrassing phone calls.

I found

http://www.qwest.com/wholesale/clecs/features/calltrace.html

Note the manual trace requirements. You need a law-enforcement case
number, etc. You don't require that the police actually to have done
anything about it at that point. Make enough fuss, and demand a case
number, and I'm sure the police will create one just to shut you up.

Sylvia.
Yeh; lies.
I used *57 three times on a "no name no number" call, the recorded
voice said the calls were traced and i would be charged $$$ each time.
*LIE*
I then called the given number, the so-called call annoyance bureau,
and they HAD *NO* RECORD of them.
I even told them the exact date and times - to NO avail.
When i got the bill, i called Qwest office and they -->immediately<--
and cheerfully dropped the charges!
That attitude makes me believe they know the *57 is a scam.
And the PUC does not give a damn.
Perhaps it just doesn't work very well. Anyway, you need to keep
focussed here. Your concern is not whether *57 works as advertised, but
how to address the annoyance calls. The manual trace sounds like the
appropriate course.

Sylvia.
 
On a sunny day (Tue, 29 Dec 2009 19:46:00 +1100) it happened Sylvia Else
<sylvia@not.at.this.address> wrote in
<00f2da7b$0$6697$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com>:

Robert Baer wrote:
Sylvia Else wrote:
Robert Baer wrote:
Well i tried one of those recordings on
http://www.payphone-directory.org/sounds.html and the marketeers that
constantly call _continued_ to call; i "gave it a try for at least 2
weeks.
What really pissed me off was that one of them came up with a "UUU"
"no number" ID and so i (finally) used *57, got the message that the
call was traced; after trapping 3 of them i called the so-called call
annoyance bureau and they had *NO* record, meaning the message was a
blatant lie.
The PUC said that *57 was not for tracing marketeers and that i
should not have used it, and that they would not press the issue to
Qwest (my "provider").

Why would they assume it was marketeers?

Sylvia.
Maybe that is one of their parrot answers?

So you didn't say it was marketeers, but you didn't ask them why they
thought it was marketeers?

Have you tried asking to speak to a supervisor?

Sylvia.
Personally I think he should talk to a shrink first :)
 
On Dec 26, 1:25 am, "n...@bid.nes" <alien8...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Dec 25, 9:15 pm, Robert Baer <robertb...@localnet.com> wrote:

   Well i tried one of those recordings onhttp://www.payphone-directory.org/sounds.htmlandthe marketeers that
constantly call _continued_ to call; i "gave it a try for at least 2 weeks.
   What really pissed me off was that one of them came up with a "UUU"
"no number" ID and so i (finally) used *57, got the message that the
call was traced; after trapping 3 of them i called the so-called call
annoyance bureau and they had *NO* record, meaning the message was a
blatant lie.
   The PUC said that *57 was not for tracing marketeers and that i
should not have used it, and that they would not press the issue to
Qwest (my "provider").
   Say what? How the hell else can i catch these bastards?
   Pissant bureaucrats!
**
   It would appear that a TOTAL disconnect of my phone _might_ stop
these calls..

  You're doing it wrong. You're assuming Government will help you and
getting pissed off when you should be having fun with them.

  Answer the call, listen to the pitch, answer all the questions as if
you want to buy what they're selling right up until you get to where
they want your credit card number or mailing address then say "just a
minute, I have to go to the bathroom; I'll be right back", then lay
the phone down and listen for the BEEP BEEP BEEP letting you know
they've disconnected, then hang up.

  When they call back, apologize for the unreliable phone connection
and repeat the above procedure, with variations like interrupting the
caller to discuss your grandson's first tooth, your hernia operation/
kidney stone/colostomy bag, how the Liberals/Conservatives/Communists/
Christians/Muslims/Atheists are ruining the country, or whatever
amuses you. Eventually they'll decide they're not going to be able to
sell you anything and cross your number off their list.

  It may take a while, and the bastards may resell your number to
somebody else, but keep at it. AFAIK it's the only sure way to get rid
of them without going completely off-grid.

  Mark L. Fergerson
Actually this is what I have been doing for years: I ask if this a
courtesy call, if yes, I apologize, ask them to wait a second please
and follow procedure above. Took less than 30 seconds of my time (I
dropped my land line some time ago, they do not call cell
phones.....yet). If everybody followed this procedure, phone
telemarketing would die out
 
On Sat, 26 Dec 2009 19:42:19 -0800, Robert Baer <robertbaer@localnet.com> wrote:

Baron wrote:
Robert Baer Inscribed thus:

Well i tried one of those recordings on
http://www.payphone-directory.org/sounds.html and the marketeers that
constantly call _continued_ to call; i "gave it a try for at least 2
weeks.
What really pissed me off was that one of them came up with a "UUU"
"no number" ID and so i (finally) used *57, got the message that the
call was traced; after trapping 3 of them i called the so-called call
annoyance bureau and they had *NO* record, meaning the message was a
blatant lie.
The PUC said that *57 was not for tracing marketeers and that i
should not have used it, and that they would not press the issue to
Qwest (my "provider").
Say what? How the hell else can i catch these bastards?
Pissant bureaucrats!
**
It would appear that a TOTAL disconnect of my phone _might_ stop
these calls..

I ended up with having to give up my number and was issued with a new
one that it permanently withheld and registered with TPS.

Even that didn't stop all the unwanted calls. Apparently they use an
incrementing count dialer to find the hidden numbers. So if you answer
the phone they log the fact and record it.

Been there, done that; does NO good.
Try this: Warn friends and selected relatives, unplug all phones and
anything else that might "pick-up" for a week.
 
On Dec 28, 5:08 pm, don <don> wrote:
Jamie wrote:
Jan Panteltje wrote:
I wrote a small server to make the serial devices in Linux available
via ethernet.
It is called e2s (for Ethernet to serial)
 http://panteltje.com/panteltje/newsflex/e2s-0.1.tgz

You use it for example like this:
  e2s -d /dev/ttyUSB1 -b 19200 -p 8192

That starts a server listening for connections on port 8192,
and forwarding any data it sees to / from the /dev/ttyUSB1 serial port
adaptor.
Now you can connect to /dev/ttyUSB1 from anywhere in the world!

To test, I am running it on a my swr box,
but the transmitter is off, so you can do little harm (I hope)

You can try it:
 telnet 81.207.135.196 8192
Once connected in telnet type:
control ]
A prompt should appear, then type:
mode char

Now you are 1 to 1 connected to my swr box, this one:
 http://panteltje.com/panteltje/pic/swr_pic/index.html

Type
h
for help

I have compiled e2s without problems for PC, and also for MIPS
(Linksys WAP).

Hope this is useful for those who use some of my PIC projects,
this is version 0.1, so strange things may happen, and things may
change...

I did that with my IC-756 PRO way back, so I could listen and watch my
radio at work via the network.. Kind of slow, but it works.

   Audio is patched through sounds packets etc..

 I maybe mistaken but I think some outfit has done this already with
this radio. I never felt the desire to publish what I made because it
was just an experiment for something else at the time.

This was done on windows of course..

Would you be willing to share the code, for us windows types ?
If you want to use it and have a Windows box you need to bits of
software:

1) Jan's software
2) Linux install disk.
 
On Tue, 29 Dec 2009 00:15:38 -0800, Robert Baer
<robertbaer@localnet.com> wrote:

PeterD wrote:
On Sun, 27 Dec 2009 21:55:22 -0800, Robert Baer
robertbaer@localnet.com> wrote:


They say that they cannot do anything, because....i have zero info on
the callers.

Robert, where are you located?
In Portland Oregon; what difference does it make?
Somebody doesn't like you ?:)

...Jim Thompson
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On Tue, 29 Dec 2009 00:17:43 -0800, Robert Baer
<robertbaer@localnet.com> wrote:

Jim Thompson wrote:
On Sun, 27 Dec 2009 21:56:53 -0800, Robert Baer
robertbaer@localnet.com> wrote:

Jim Thompson wrote:
On Sat, 26 Dec 2009 19:49:58 -0800, Robert Baer
robertbaer@localnet.com> wrote:

Jim Thompson wrote:
On Fri, 25 Dec 2009 21:15:06 -0800, Robert Baer
robertbaer@localnet.com> wrote:

Well i tried one of those recordings on
http://www.payphone-directory.org/sounds.html and the marketeers that
constantly call _continued_ to call; i "gave it a try for at least 2 weeks.
What really pissed me off was that one of them came up with a "UUU"
"no number" ID and so i (finally) used *57, got the message that the
call was traced; after trapping 3 of them i called the so-called call
annoyance bureau and they had *NO* record, meaning the message was a
blatant lie.
The PUC said that *57 was not for tracing marketeers and that i
should not have used it, and that they would not press the issue to
Qwest (my "provider").
Say what? How the hell else can i catch these bastards?
Pissant bureaucrats!
**
It would appear that a TOTAL disconnect of my phone _might_ stop
these calls..
After the holidays I plan to buy...

http://jfteck.com/

And make some additional modifications.

...Jim Thompson
..well, they lie in saying no extra monthly charges,as caller ID service
is an extra monthly charge.
It's not my problem that you are so cheap that you don't have
caller-ID.

And stop whining... is there anyone who really needs to call you
anyway ?:)

...Jim Thompson
I _have_ caller ID and it is useless for most of the callers (zero info).

Is "Reject on No Info" difficult for you?

...Jim Thompson
I do not pick up the phone unless i (1) hear a voice, (2) recognize
the voice, and (3) they say something relevant.
Translation: one of 50 pass.
Aha! So you are having an answering machine automatically answer?

Why don't you just build a box that prevents ringing if it doesn't
recognize a "valid" CID?

...Jim Thompson
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On Tue, 29 Dec 2009 00:20:44 -0800, Robert Baer
<robertbaer@localnet.com> wrote:

Martin Brown wrote:
Robert Baer wrote:
PeterD wrote:
On Sat, 26 Dec 2009 19:38:11 -0800, Robert Baer
robertbaer@localnet.com> wrote:

Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Fri, 25 Dec 2009 21:15:06 -0800) it happened Robert
Baer
robertbaer@localnet.com> wrote in
1KOdndg809PrBqjWnZ2dnUVZ_rCdnZ2d@posted.localnet>:

Well i tried one of those recordings on
http://www.payphone-directory.org/sounds.html and the marketeers
that constantly call _continued_ to call; i "gave it a try for at
least 2 weeks.
What really pissed me off was that one of them came up with a
"UUU" "no number" ID and so i (finally) used *57, got the message
that the call was traced; after trapping 3 of them i called the
so-called call annoyance bureau and they had *NO* record, meaning
the message was a blatant lie.
The PUC said that *57 was not for tracing marketeers and that i
should not have used it, and that they would not press the issue
to Qwest (my "provider").
Say what? How the hell else can i catch these bastards?
Pissant bureaucrats!
**
It would appear that a TOTAL disconnect of my phone _might_ stop
these calls..

Change to ex-directory and select no inclusion in any public catalogues.
This will make you invisible to all but the most determined random
number phone spammer systems. It stops friends finding you too.
* Does not work; being unlisted makes zero difference, changing phone
numbers gives peace for a few weeks.
I do pass on new phone number to friends only and they do not blab.
I use the standard 555-1212 on web forms.

[snip]

Sounds to me that one of your "friends" is not a friend ;-)

No wonder, if you whine to your friends like you whine here ;-)

...Jim Thompson
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Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Tue, 29 Dec 2009 19:46:00 +1100) it happened Sylvia Else
sylvia@not.at.this.address> wrote in
00f2da7b$0$6697$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com>:

Robert Baer wrote:
Sylvia Else wrote:
Robert Baer wrote:
Well i tried one of those recordings on
http://www.payphone-directory.org/sounds.html and the marketeers that
constantly call _continued_ to call; i "gave it a try for at least 2
weeks.
What really pissed me off was that one of them came up with a "UUU"
"no number" ID and so i (finally) used *57, got the message that the
call was traced; after trapping 3 of them i called the so-called call
annoyance bureau and they had *NO* record, meaning the message was a
blatant lie.
The PUC said that *57 was not for tracing marketeers and that i
should not have used it, and that they would not press the issue to
Qwest (my "provider").
Why would they assume it was marketeers?

Sylvia.
Maybe that is one of their parrot answers?
So you didn't say it was marketeers, but you didn't ask them why they
thought it was marketeers?

Have you tried asking to speak to a supervisor?

Sylvia.

Personally I think he should talk to a shrink first :)
I confess that the thought had crossed my mind. The level of
indifference he claims to have received from those whose responsbility
it is to deal with the issue beggars belief.

Sylvia.
 
Sylvia Else wrote:
Robert Baer wrote:
Sylvia Else wrote:
Robert Baer wrote:
PeterD wrote:
On Sat, 26 Dec 2009 19:38:11 -0800, Robert Baer
robertbaer@localnet.com> wrote:

Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Fri, 25 Dec 2009 21:15:06 -0800) it happened
Robert Baer
robertbaer@localnet.com> wrote in
1KOdndg809PrBqjWnZ2dnUVZ_rCdnZ2d@posted.localnet>:

Well i tried one of those recordings on
http://www.payphone-directory.org/sounds.html and the marketeers
that constantly call _continued_ to call; i "gave it a try for
at least 2 weeks.
What really pissed me off was that one of them came up with a
"UUU" "no number" ID and so i (finally) used *57, got the
message that the call was traced; after trapping 3 of them i
called the so-called call annoyance bureau and they had *NO*
record, meaning the message was a blatant lie.
The PUC said that *57 was not for tracing marketeers and that
i should not have used it, and that they would not press the
issue to Qwest (my "provider").
Say what? How the hell else can i catch these bastards?
Pissant bureaucrats!
**
It would appear that a TOTAL disconnect of my phone _might_
stop these calls..
Just pick up the phoe with: 'Department of Homeland Security'.
* IMPOSSIBLE; they hang up immediately on line pick-up.

Most states this is a violation of law... COvered under the
'harrassing and threatening phone calls' statutes...
That "law" is virtually irrelevant, since i cannot find out who it
is doing this crap.

I would think that finding out who is making harrassing calls would
be a function of the police, who would seek the assistance of the telco.

Sylvia.
Strange...you seem to think the police are supposed to "uphold the
law".
Their only true function is to use traffic violations to collect
money for the city.

It seems odd that a lot of people end up in prison then.

It is a fact that in some cities the officers are TOLD (daily) to
earn their pay by writing tickets.
**
They refused to help me.

What happened when you escalated it by making a complaint about the
matter in writing?

Sylvia.
Nothing; not even the courtesy of a response "we do not care".
 

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