Driver to drive?

[Charlie E.]

On Mon, 12 Oct 2009 10:13:33 +0800, "New_idea"
<New_idea@renewable.energy.com> wrote:

"Richard" <heehe@haha.com> wrote in message
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And the power that produces your bogus gas comes from your Gasoline. It
isn't free. You really believe your battery has endless power by itself?

In my first post, i already said that “use wind turbine to generate
electricity and than use the electricity to electrolysis water to get
hydrogen and than pump/compress the hydrogen into the gas tank.”
That is how you can blend hydrogen with CNG to run our car.
You want to distort my original idea, i can't do anything.

There is a project by Idaho National Laboratory under U.S Department of
Energy that do experiment of running vehicle with “Hydrogen+Natural gas
mixture”
http://avt.inel.gov/hydrogen.html

Ok, lets take a look at this.

First, you have a $10K wind turbine generating electricity. (That
means, a really SMALL one! A house requires more like a $40K
turbine...) Now, you take that perfectly good electricity, waste 30%
of it, and generate hydrogen. You pump and compress it (taking up
another 10-20% of energy) and put it in an internal combustion engine
designed for natural gas. You use it to displace, asy 20% of the
natural gas used by this engine.

So, lets simply compare the costs of the hydrogen vs. the cost of the
natural gas it is replacing. The natural gas probably costs less than
$50 per fill up. Your wind system with the turbine, electrolyzer (by
the way, have you priced these?) pumps, compressors and other
equipment actually cost around $15K, so just the interest on these is
$600 a year. Assuming a 10 year life (if you are lucky!) then the
cost per year is $2100. Yes, I am being very, very optimistic on
these prices. Reality is probably 2-10 times worse! so, if you
normally fill up weekly, you get:

Pure natural gas
$50 per fill up
52 fill ups
$2600 a year

Now, you hydrogen system is to defer 20% of this, so your system is

natural gas
$40 per fill up
52 fill ups
$2000 per year
$2100 per year for hydrogen
$4100 per year for your hydrogen scheme.

I, personnally, don't have an extra $1500 a year to play with
hydrogen. Do you?

You are better off using the wind system to charge batteries, and buy
an electric vehicle by an order of magnitude!

Charlie

 

[Charlie E.]

On Mon, 12 Oct 2009 10:45:27 +0800, "New_idea"
<New_idea@renewable.energy.com> wrote:

"Richard" <heehe@haha.com> wrote in message
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That's exact how many times I tried, you are still in your denial. Yours
is not practical and it has no longivity in its usage. It doesn't boost
your MPG, you are making extremely light gas, >I am using propane Gas
right now and I see it doesn't boost as much as real Gasoline. I can
shut the PG off to see how much difference, your Water Electrolysis is
far from Propane's >power. It's nothing but a scam!



And the power that produces your bogus gas comes from your Gasoline. It
isn't free. You really believe your battery has endless power by itself?
Why don't you prove this to yourself >>> unhook the Field line of your
alternator(1 wire), and your car will stop running in 15 minutes or it
will be so sluggish. That proves electricity power from your alternator
comes from >your Gasoline, you pay for it, so you pay to electrolyze your
dirty water. Quit believing in Free power, there isn't one.



There is a project by Idaho National Laboratory under U.S Department of
Energy that do experiment of running vehicle with “Hydrogen+Natural gas
mixture” or even 100% hydrogen.
http://avt.inel.gov/hydrogen.html

It is a good idea if we can use hydrogen to run our (internal combustion)
car by just a few thousand dollars modification on our car.
The question is where to you get hydrogen gas?

One way is to use electricity to electrolysis water, and the electricity can
come from renewable source (wind,solar,hydro power plants)
Some people might said "oh it is a lot cheaper to produce hydrogen from
fossil fuel"
but than you if you do that you still depend on fossil fuel to power you
vehicle!
My point is: stop using fossil fuel to power our vehicle.
If the hydrogen produced by electrolysis process is very expensive, we can
find ways to reduce the cost.

If the electrolysis process I mention in my earlier posting is no good.
If there are other negative effect from this electrolysis process
we can find a better way to electrolysis the water and find ways to improve
it efficiency and find a better ways to do electrolysis so that it will not
produce negative effect ,

example this website talk about adding a small amount of said sulfuric to
the water to increase the efficiency
http://miniscience.com/projects/WaterElectrolise.htm

That is why the scientist needs to do research and development.

Newby,
You are confusing politically motivated research grants and reality.
INL was able to get someone to give them money to waste on this
project, and delude folks like you. Doesn't mean it is a good idea.

Charlie

 

[harry]

On Oct 11, 6:39 pm, "Malcom \"Mal\" Reynolds" <atlas-
bug...@invalid.invalid> wrote:

In article
RcudnT_5B_Jam0_XnZ2dnUVZ_sSdnZ2d@posted
.toastnet>,
"Speeders & Drunk Drivers are
MURDERERS" <xeton2...@yahoo.com



wrote:
"TheLoneRanger100" <MagicKnee...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:f258f03b-11a3-4484-9809-e3ca131b9492@j9g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
Yup............Another Day and President Chumpanzee has yet to "Fix"
ANYTHING despite his Teleprompter-Inspired "Promises"........... And
the Leftist Pukes CAN'T CITE ONE THING the White Chocolate Sockpuppet
has "Fixed".......Because NOTHING HAS BEEN
"FIXED".........Donchaknow.........Them Poor Leftist PigFuckers are
so STUPID that they CAN'T REFUTE ME.........Poor, Pathetic Little
Sonsabitches..........Heehee..........

How can he fix your Bush fucked-up Economy in less time Dumbass? You believe
your 8-years of shit can be fixed overnight? And you believe you can come
out of a coma in a few days Stupid? Why don't you go back to play with your
Dildo? God damn you Bush cock-suckers, next month side-effect will be Plunge
of your dollar that you created in your foolish war.

A person can come out of a coma at
anytime. Don't know about you

No-one returns from Dementia.

 

[langwadt@fonz.dk]

On 12 Okt., 16:41, MooseFET <kensm...@rahul.net> wrote:

On Oct 12, 7:04 am, Jim Wilkins <kb1...@gmail.com> wrote:

On Oct 11, 10:45 pm, "New_idea" <New_i...@renewable.energy.com> wrote:

Or we could use the wind-generated electricity to charge the batteries
of a hybrid and avoid the homebrew chemical engineering, insurance and
waste disposal issues, the ones that bog down small-scale use of many
good ideas.

Just for fun, shop around for stainless steel tanks and plumbing. All
I can find is scrap pipe and sheet metal that I can weld into tubes
and rectangular box shapes, but not pressure vessels even to hold
water-mains pressure. If you DO find a used industrial pressure
vessel, how do you decontaminate it?

Don't store hydrogen in steel.  Unless you get the right kind, the
steel gets brittle.

and just using pressure to store hydrogen is not very usefull for a
car.

I think 90 liters of hydrogen at 150 bar, is about the same amount of
energy as 8 liters of gasoline ......

-Lasse

 

[langwadt@fonz.dk]

On 12 Okt., 14:38, Jim Yanik <jya...@abuse.gov> wrote:

"New_idea" <New_i...@renewable.energy.com> wrote innews:hau3cg$vfv$1@adenine.netfront.net:





"Richard" <he...@haha.com> wrote in message
news:toCdnaPBaI0rmU_XnZ2dnUVZ_j-dnZ2d@posted.toastnet...
And the power that produces your bogus gas comes from your Gasoline.  It
isn't free.  You really believe your battery has endless power by itself?

In my first post, i already said that “use wind turbine to generate
electricity and than use the electricity to electrolysis water to get
hydrogen and than pump/compress the hydrogen into the gas tank.”
That is how you can blend hydrogen with CNG to run our car.
You want to distort my original idea, i can't do anything.

There is a project by Idaho National Laboratory under U.S Department of
Energy that do experiment of running vehicle with “Hydrogen+Natural gas
mixture”
http://avt.inel.gov/hydrogen.html

conversion losses kill your idea.you lose a lot in the electrolysis,and
even more in the compression of H2.

if the power is "free" losses isn't such a big issue, so if you can
either make H2 or stop the windmill because you don't need the power
right
now, it is really free.

and wind power runs irregularly,not dependable.

for something like H2 production or battery charging it could work
because it just what windpower is missing, a buffer that can even out
the irregular, but I'm sure quite predictable production capacity

-Lasse

 

[Jim Wilkins]

On Oct 12, 10:41 am, MooseFET <kensm...@rahul.net> wrote:

On Oct 12, 7:04 am, Jim Wilkins <kb1...@gmail.com> wrote:

Just for fun, shop around for stainless steel tanks and plumbing. ...

Don't store hydrogen in steel.  Unless you get the right kind, the
steel gets brittle.

http://h2bestpractices.org/storage/compressed_gas/storage_vessels/material_selection.asp

It's hard to identify junkyard scrap stainless steel unless the
fabricator left the markings on it. And you don't want to buy it new
for a cost-saving hobby project!

jsw

 

[TheJoker]

On Mon, 12 Oct 2009 12:06:50 -0700 (PDT), harry
<susan.armitage@virgin.net> wrote:

On Oct 11, 6:39 pm, "Malcom \"Mal\" Reynolds" <atlas-
bug...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
In article
RcudnT_5B_Jam0_XnZ2dnUVZ_sSdnZ2d@posted
.toastnet>,
"Speeders & Drunk Drivers are
MURDERERS" <xeton2...@yahoo.com



wrote:
"TheLoneRanger100" <MagicKnee...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:f258f03b-11a3-4484-9809-e3ca131b9492@j9g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
Yup............Another Day and President Chumpanzee has yet to "Fix"
ANYTHING despite his Teleprompter-Inspired "Promises"........... And
the Leftist Pukes CAN'T CITE ONE THING the White Chocolate Sockpuppet
has "Fixed".......Because NOTHING HAS BEEN
"FIXED".........Donchaknow.........Them Poor Leftist PigFuckers are
so STUPID that they CAN'T REFUTE ME.........Poor, Pathetic Little
Sonsabitches..........Heehee..........

How can he fix your Bush fucked-up Economy in less time Dumbass? You believe
your 8-years of shit can be fixed overnight? And you believe you can come
out of a coma in a few days Stupid? Why don't you go back to play with your
Dildo? God damn you Bush cock-suckers, next month side-effect will be Plunge
of your dollar that you created in your foolish war.

A person can come out of a coma at
anytime. Don't know about you

No-one returns from Dementia.

Yes, and shuttle leave every few minutes to take one there as well.

 

[I'll Always Be 13/10/09]

In article
<cN-dnZm4V-1tW0_XnZ2dnUVZ_sadnZ2d@posted
..toastnet>,
"Richard" <heehe@haha.com> wrote:

"Malcom "Mal" Reynolds" <atlas-bugged@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
news:atlas-bugged-392B49.10392811102009@aries.ka.weretis.net...
In article
RcudnT_5B_Jam0_XnZ2dnUVZ_sSdnZ2d@posted
.toastnet>,
"Speeders & Drunk Drivers are
MURDERERS" <xeton2001@yahoo.com
wrote:

"TheLoneRanger100" <MagicKneegro@aol.com> wrote in message
news:f258f03b-11a3-4484-9809-e3ca131b9492@j9g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
Yup............Another Day and President Chumpanzee has yet to "Fix"
ANYTHING despite his Teleprompter-Inspired "Promises"........... And
the Leftist Pukes CAN'T CITE ONE THING the White Chocolate Sockpuppet
has "Fixed".......Because NOTHING HAS BEEN
"FIXED".........Donchaknow.........Them Poor Leftist PigFuckers are
so STUPID that they CAN'T REFUTE ME.........Poor, Pathetic Little
Sonsabitches..........Heehee..........



How can he fix your Bush fucked-up Economy in less time Dumbass? You
believe
your 8-years of shit can be fixed overnight? And you believe you can come
out of a coma in a few days Stupid? Why don't you go back to play with
your
Dildo? God damn you Bush cock-suckers, next month side-effect will be
Plunge
of your dollar that you created in your foolish war.

A person can come out of a coma at
anytime. Don't know about you



Then that's not a coma.

coma 1 |?k?m?| |?ko?m?| |?k??m?|
noun
a state of deep unconsciousness that
lasts for a prolonged or indefinite
period, caused esp. by severe injury or
illness : a road crash left him in a
coma | figurative a victim of a
legislative coma.

 

[JosephKK]

On Fri, 9 Oct 2009 23:24:26 -0700, notme <notme@notme.org> wrote:

The Galep4 or 5 from Conitec (www.conitec.de).

"
Embedded Linux 2.6 inside
...
SYSTEM REQUIREMENTS:
Windows
"
Linux inside but not compatible with Linux OS?

Now that is disgusting. Crapping on the tool that feeds you.

 

[JosephKK]

On Fri, 9 Oct 2009 19:46:40 -0700 (PDT), Too_Many_Tools
<too_many_tools@yahoo.com> wrote:

On Oct 9, 8:42 pm, "JosephKK"<quiettechb...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Fri, 9 Oct 2009 13:54:06 -0700 (PDT), Too_Many_Tools





too_many_to...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Oct 7, 11:53 pm, krw <k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzz> wrote:
On Thu, 08 Oct 2009 00:30:59 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"

mike.terr...@earthlink.net> wrote:

krw wrote:

Too_Many_Tools wrote:

LOL...I do.

If you did you wouldn't act so stupid.

Do you always move your lips when you type?

Because you drool on the keyboard doesn't mean everyone does.

Why don't you give us some examples instead of being a smartass?

No one will ever accuse you of being a smart anything.  Do read a
little or try eBay, even.

What a dumb shit.

  TMT is a well known troll on news:rec.crafts.metalworking.

...and rec.woodworking, but there are a lot like him there.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Ahh...another one of the Neocons who frequent the Usenet...and I have
stepped on.

I suppose you too are celebrating our President Obama getting the
Nobel Prize. ;&lt

TMT

What possible insane context can you have for believing that any
neocon wants anything but for obamanation to resign.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Hey...I am an eternal optimist.

And isn't just great that our President Obama won the Nobel
Prize...something that Bush will NEVER do.

TMT

It is about as honest as giving it to that terrorist Y. Arafat.

 

[Josepi]

Where did you install the peddles?

"Richard" <heehe@haha.com> wrote in message
news:nsCdnUOECcUZoUnXnZ2dnUVZ_iydnZ2d@posted.toastnet...

Yup, you know when people say they get their cars up to 60mpg through
modification, I told the guys that it's not easy, it can be done, I made
my Benz to 50mpg at that time, then later I've found a way to get up to
75mpg, no kidding, my car's weight is 4000-lbs, not a light car, you would
think this is a joke, but it isn't. Now it runs so quiet, 1500rpm pushes
it to 55mph, I feel like I drive a fish body. Opening the car's windows
you don't hear anything other than tires' sound, so quiet, moving swiftly
like Alien spaceship. The RPM is the keep to recognize this high
efficiency, the lower RPM means the less fuel consumption.

I said to myself, Wow! this is something, you guys were blind for a
century, you didn't design your car right, you add many things band-aiding
to hybrid, you don't need those shits, your regular car can beat any
hybrid so easily if you know the core problems.

 

[TheM]

"Richard" <heehe@haha.com> wrote in message news:nsCdnUOECcUZoUnXnZ2dnUVZ_iydnZ2d@posted.toastnet...

Yup, you know when people say they get their cars up to 60mpg through modification, I told the guys that it's not easy, it can be
done, I made my Benz to 50mpg at that time, then later I've found a way to get up to 75mpg, no kidding, my car's weight is
4000-lbs, not a light car, you would think this is a joke, but it isn't. Now it runs so quiet, 1500rpm pushes it to 55mph, I
feel like I drive a fish body. Opening the car's windows you don't hear anything other than tires' sound, so quiet, moving
swiftly like Alien spaceship. The RPM is the keep to recognize this high efficiency, the lower RPM means the less fuel
consumption.

I said to myself, Wow! this is something, you guys were blind for a century, you didn't design your car right, you add many
things band-aiding to hybrid, you don't need those shits, your regular car can beat any hybrid so easily if you know the core
problems.

"Josepi" <JRM@invalid..com> wrote in message news:fV%Am.438$p_3.398@newsfe01.iad...

Where did you install the peddles?

I think he forgot to mention this was downhill only.

M

 

On Oct 13, 1:38 am, "Richard" <he...@haha.com> wrote:
<snip>

Yup, you know when people say they get their cars up to 60mpg
through modification, I told the guys that it's not easy, it can be

done, I made my Benz to 50mpg at that time, then later I've found a
way to get up to 75mpg, no kidding, my car's weight is 4000-lbs, not
a light car, you would think this is a joke, but it isn't.  Now it
runs so quiet, 1500rpm pushes it to 55mph, I feel like I drive a fish
body.  Opening the car's windows you don't hear anything other than
tires' sound, so quiet, moving swiftly like Alien spaceship.  The RPM
is the keep to recognize this high efficiency, the lower RPM means the
less fuel consumption.

I said to myself, Wow! this is something, you guys were blind for a
century, you didn't design your car right, you add many things band-

aiding to hybrid, you don't need those shits, your regular car can
beat any hybrid so easily if you know the core problems.

1 gallon [U.S.] of automotive gasoline = 36.6 kilowatt hour. So you're
telling me you can move a 4000 car 75 miles on 36.6 kWh ? I don't
believe it. I get 50+ with a Prius but you need to pay attention to
when to accelerate and how much.

G˛

 

[Josepi]

Sounds like another version of the glogal petroleum company conspiracy
brought back from the 50's again.

<stratus46@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:b3b63f0e-e491-4a46-8959-fb41a4811776@o10g2000yqa.googlegroups.com...
On Oct 13, 1:38 am, "Richard" <he...@haha.com> wrote:

1 gallon [U.S.] of automotive gasoline = 36.6 kilowatt hour. So you're
telling me you can move a 4000 car 75 miles on 36.6 kWh ? I don't
believe it. I get 50+ with a Prius but you need to pay attention to
when to accelerate and how much.

G˛

 

[Too_Many_Tools]

On Oct 10, 2:17 am, DaveC <inva...@invalid.net> wrote:

If you were going to equipt a hometestbenchtoday for both analog
and digital work, whattestequipment would you choose and why?

TMT

http://forum.hackedgadgets.com/viewtopic.php?t=1884&postdays=0&postor...
start=0&sid=e9a5f57e8b597bb67fe4857949cdfe48

These guys started a contest (but don't say what they're contesting...). Lots
of photos and descriptions of their workspaces. Mostly hobbyists, but still,
many good suggestions.

Dave

Thanks for the lead Dave.

TMT

 

[Androcles]

"RichD" <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:04ce9d74-67c0-4424-bb5f-bcf25505e93d@j4g2000yqa.googlegroups.com...
On Oct 16, Sam Wormley <sworml...@mchsi.com> wrote:

Barney and Betty Hill were privy to advanced
secrets, but never talked...

How easily fooled you are, Rich.
Thanks, Sam, that made my day.
You are welcome. Did you hear Joe Pyne interviewing
Barney and Betty Hill on a call in radio program
back in the 60s?

No, unfortunately, I was too busy tuning in
to Art Bell.... did I miss anything?

I'm not sure Art Bell was on the air back then. I called in.. asked
a question about sounds. Of course, the Hills couldn't come up with
any sounds.

I'm surprised... it should be easy to gin up UFO
sounds... like a helicopter or something.

Or they could have said: in a vacuum,
no one can hear you scream...

I don't know why people are so willing to believe these things.

Because it's more fun than boring old science...
wondering and speculating is more exciting than knowing.

Marvin Minsky once wrote an essay: "Why AI can
never win". His point was that certain tasks seemingly
require human intelligence, beyond machine capability...
like chess, for instance... until a program beats a chess
master, and people say "oh well, chess is obviously
simple, that's not real intelligence, just a trick."

It's the same type of thing - people want to believe
in unsolvable mysteries, they want unanswerable riddles.
Human nature, what can ya do?

http://www.michaelshermer.com/weird-things/

--
Rich

And Wormley is the first in line for a riddle.

 

[RichD]

On Oct 16, Sam Wormley <sworml...@mchsi.com> wrote:

Barney and Betty Hill were privy to advanced
secrets, but never talked...

 How easily fooled you are, Rich.
Thanks, Sam, that made my day.
   You are welcome. Did you hear Joe Pyne interviewing
   Barney and Betty Hill on a call in radio program
   back in the 60s?

No, unfortunately, I was too busy tuning in
to Art Bell.... did I miss anything?

   I'm not sure Art Bell was on the air back then. I called in.. asked
   a question about sounds. Of course, the Hills couldn't come up with
   any sounds.

I'm surprised... it should be easy to gin up UFO
sounds... like a helicopter or something.

Or they could have said: in a vacuum,
no one can hear you scream...

 I don't know why people are so willing to believe these things.

Because it's more fun than boring old science...
wondering and speculating is more exciting than knowing.

Marvin Minsky once wrote an essay: "Why AI can
never win". His point was that certain tasks seemingly
require human intelligence, beyond machine capability...
like chess, for instance... until a program beats a chess
master, and people say "oh well, chess is obviously
simple, that's not real intelligence, just a trick."

It's the same type of thing - people want to believe
in unsolvable mysteries, they want unanswerable riddles.
Human nature, what can ya do?

http://www.michaelshermer.com/weird-things/

--
Rich

 

[Wolf K]

RichD wrote:

On Oct 16, Sam Wormley <sworml...@mchsi.com> wrote:
[...]
I don't know why people are so willing to believe these things.

Because it's more fun than boring old science...
wondering and speculating is more exciting than knowing.
[...]

Only if you don't know anything.

Hah!

Wolf K.

 

[N]

On 17 Oct, 15:03, Wolf K <weki...@sympatico.ca> wrote:

RichD wrote:
On Oct 16, Sam Wormley <sworml...@mchsi.com> wrote:
[...]
 I don't know why people are so willing to believe these things.

Because it's more fun than boring old science...
wondering and speculating is more exciting than knowing.

[...]

Only if you don't know anything.

Hah!

Wolf K.

Well, privately No one would have believed in the last years of the
nineteenth century at all! maybe in that this world was being watched
keenly and closely by intelligences greater than man's and yet as
mortal as his own? who knows? its like you know when that as men
busied themselves about their various concerns they were scrutinised
and studied, ? huh? and only perhaps almost as narrowly as a man with
a microscope might scrutinise the transient creatures that swarm and
multiply in a drop of water. yeh?

 

[Rich Grise]

On Fri, 16 Oct 2009 20:23:46 -0700, RichD wrote:

It's the same type of thing - people want to believe in unsolvable
mysteries, they want unanswerable riddles. Human nature, what can ya do?

http://www.michaelshermer.com/weird-things/

Speaking of riddles, what does a woman say after she's been sexually
gratified?

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I figured you wouldn't know.

;-)
Rich