Driver to drive?

John Doe · Sep 12, 2009

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"nospam nospam.invalid.net" <nospam invalid.net> wrote:

"ohaya" <ohaya cox.net> wrote in message

Most (all, I think) SSDs use a bunch of some kind of
non-volatile memory chips.

That's exactly correct, Jim.

That is just amazing, Jack...

MTBF is for the device, not for individual R/W segments on the
device.

So you think the read/write "segments" on the device are different
than the device, Jack?

A SSD has no moving parts, so it's MTBF spec is very misleading.

BWAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAA!!!

Please... Somebody, anybody, provide a citation that suggests
solid-state device MTBF figures are less accurate than physical
devices. I have a difficult time believing anyone could be that
much of a bullshit artist.

Thanks.

For any new readers... The argument is not that SSD device MTBF
figures are accurate. Currently, the argument is about some
apparently bizarre reasons why the MTBF figures are inaccurate.
The figures might be inaccurate, but more evident is that the two
quoted authors are clueless morons with zero credibility.

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nospam@nospam.invalid.net · Sep 12, 2009

"John Doe" <jdoe@usenetlove.invalid> wrote in message news:00e4425c$0$16116$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com...

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"nospam nospam.invalid.net" <nospam invalid.net> wrote:

"ohaya" <ohaya cox.net> wrote in message

Most (all, I think) SSDs use a bunch of some kind of
non-volatile memory chips.

That's exactly correct, Jim.

That is just amazing, Jack...

MTBF is for the device, not for individual R/W segments on the
device.

So you think the read/write "segments" on the device are different
than the device, Jack?

A SSD has no moving parts, so it's MTBF spec is very misleading.

BWAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAA!!!

Please... Somebody, anybody, provide a citation that suggests
solid-state device MTBF figures are less accurate than physical
devices. I have a difficult time believing anyone could be that
much of a bullshit artist.

http://forums.storagereview.net/index.php?showtopic=27010

Be sure to read the referenced links, if you can take your head out
of your ass for that long.

John Doe · Sep 12, 2009

"nospam nospam.invalid.net" <nospam invalid.net> wrote:

"John Doe" <jdoe usenetlove.invalid> wrote
"nospam nospam.invalid.net" <nospam invalid.net> wrote:

A SSD has no moving parts, so it's MTBF spec is very misleading.

BWAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAA!!!

Please... Somebody, anybody, provide a citation that suggests
solid-state device MTBF figures are less accurate than physical
devices. I have a difficult time believing anyone could be that
much of a bullshit artist.

http://forums.storagereview.net/index.php?showtopic=27010

Be sure to read the referenced links

You want me to sift through opinions that could very easily have
been posted by A FUCKING MORON LIKE YOU JACK, and you want me to
follow the links instead of you posting a relevant link here?

BWAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAA!!!

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John Doe · Sep 12, 2009

"nospam nospam.invalid.net" <nospam invalid.net> wrote:

http://www.eettaiwan.com/STATIC/PDF/200808/EETOL_2008IIC_Spansion_AN_13.pdf

"If the system updates the 4 MB file 50 times per day then the
system (Flash) life expectancy would be ~1 day. This case shows
the frequent erasures of the same physical sector directly
impacting the life expectancy of the Flash device. Obviously a
half day product life cycle is not acceptable for typical
applications."

Or in other words, it's only because of wear leveling that SSDs
have become usable at all.

Yes of course flash memory has write limits, but you are taking a
major leap from that to your conclusion.

In other words... YOU ARE A FUCKING MORON, JACK.

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John Doe · Sep 12, 2009

Paul <nospam needed.com> wrote:

....

A Wikipedia article

is hardly authoritative.

had this as the first citation. I've copied the whole thing,
because I know how you like details.

I like accuracy and conciseness, Paul, I am usually bored by your
verbosity and unwillingness to trim irrelevant text. Yours is like
top posting, trying to check the advice you are giving is
laborious, but there is nothing technically wrong with your posts
and I appreciate your attempts to help me.

http://www.faqs.org/faqs/arch-storage/part2/section-151.html

Unfortunately, the referenced MTBF FAQ link to IBM's web site is
dead.

In particular, look at the first sentence in the third
paragraph.

I think you are trying to point somewhere else, Paul.

In terms of the "bathtub curve"

The term "bathtub curve" is common and easy to understand, Paul. I
think it usually refers to solid-state devices. Your unquoted
terms "wearout phase" and "wearout mechanism" below are not nearly
as common.

MTBF is computed based on the flat section in the middle of the
"bathtub", and is not based on the wearout phase (end of the
bathtub).

Unfortunately, Paul, there is no such terminology "wearout
mechanism" in the document you referenced above.

The MTBF doesn't take the wearout mechanism into account.

Unfortunately, Paul, there is no such terminology "wearout
mechanism" in the document you referenced above.

I would be surprised to learn that solid-state device testing is
stuck in the Stone Age, Paul, as apparently you are suggesting.

We know if you do enough writes (like leave a write benchmark
running by accident), it will wear out and die on you, and in an
interval much shorter than the MTBF quoted.

I see, Paul... Leaving a write benchmark running is the "wearout
mechanism".

Again... To be clear, I am not saying that SDD MTBFs are accurate.
I am saying that the current supportive argument for the
allegation that SDD drives fail prematurely sounds like bullshit.
Every Dick on the planet has a sensational claim...

nospam@nospam.invalid.net · Sep 12, 2009

"John Doe" <jdoe@usenetlove.invalid> wrote in message news:00f48b80$0$29279$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com...

Again... To be clear, I am not saying that SDD MTBFs are accurate.
I am saying that the current supportive argument for the
allegation that SDD drives fail prematurely sounds like bullshit.
Every Dick on the planet has a sensational claim...

Wear leveling was not developed by flash memory manufacturers
because they're were bored, you idiot. It's just one of the limitations
of the current technology.

If you pay through the nose, you can get SSDs made with memory
that's rated for much greater numbers of write cycles. But the vast
majority of SSDs sold today use either the 1,000 or 10,000 cycle
variety, with small amounts of 100,000 cycle memory reserved for
use by wear leveling controllers. Again, if you weren't so friggin lazy
you could read about and understand this. It's not even controversial.

John Doe · Sep 12, 2009

"nospam nospam.invalid.net" <nospam invalid.net> wrote:

"John Doe" <jdoe usenetlove.invalid> wrote in message

Again... To be clear, I am not saying that SDD MTBFs are
accurate. I am saying that the current supportive argument for
the allegation that SDD drives fail prematurely sounds like
bullshit. Every Dick on the planet has a sensational claim...

If you pay through the nose, you can get SSDs made with memory
that's rated for much greater numbers of write cycles. But the
vast majority of SSDs sold today use either the 1,000 or 10,000
cycle variety, with small amounts of 100,000 cycle memory

That is apparently something Jack just learned from a different
wikishit web page or his favorite Web forum.

Your first claim was that "individual segments" (your idiotic term
for flash memory, Jack) was "1000 write cycles"... YOU FUCKING
MORON.

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reserved for use by wear leveling controllers. Again, if you
weren't so friggin lazy you could read about and understand
this. It's not even controversial.

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Bart! · Sep 17, 2009

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George Herold · Sep 23, 2009

On Sep 23, 2:44 am, "Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS"
<xeton2...@yahoo.com> wrote:

"trickyrick" <ri...@sympatico.ca> wrote in messagenews:08e4c12c-6267-4c39-9b71-dbeaba7b123a@l31g2000vbp.googlegroups.com...
Good day
I have on of those Colman coolers the pwr supply is not working. The
pwr supply is rated at 12 volts 4 amp. I tried to use a pwr supply
from an old laptop that was rated at 12 volts and 4.5 amps but it got
very hot in about 45 mins Whats the difference ?
Rick

Heehee...... You overloaded your poor Colman power supply with your laptop. How can you be so smart to out-perform Colman design? 4.5A is bigger than 4 amp by 22%. You used up 122% of your income, is that a smart approach to living? Never spend more than you make, spend only 50% or less if you can figure out what I'm trying to tell you here...heehee...... Go get a new power supply with 6AMP minimum and your power supply won't burn up.

Rick it might be that the TEC in the cooler is partially shorted or
otherwise damaged and is burning out your power supplies. Can you
measure how much current it is drawing at 12 Volts?

George H.

krw · Sep 27, 2009

On Sat, 26 Sep 2009 18:01:12 -0700, Archimedes' Lever
<OneBigLever@InfiniteSeries.Org> wrote:

On Sat, 26 Sep 2009 17:26:03 -0700, John Larkin
jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:

Corian. Great stuff.

Not for electronic PCB work, dumbfuck.

Suitable for HV work, but NOT for ANY of the kind of stuff you claim to
make.

Your grasp of the things that matter always seems to ignore those
things that you were never smart enough to grasp the depth of. How
convenient for you. How sad for your customers.

You probably do not even know what the term 'infant mortality' means.

Sure he does. It's what happened to your mother's only son.

Don Lancaster · Sep 27, 2009

Charles wrote:

Have you looked at iSpring?

http://www.tinaja.com/post01.asp

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Spehro Pefhany · Sep 27, 2009

On Sat, 26 Sep 2009 17:48:50 -0700, the renowned John Larkin
<jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:

On Sat, 26 Sep 2009 16:47:57 -0700 (PDT), George
quinton.lyon@gmail.com> wrote:

I measured some 1206 SMD COG caps, 1nF 50V, over temperature, Very
stable -40 to +90C, well within spec of 5%, I got about 1%. The caps
were slodered to thin flying leads.

Next test was on a board, things are a lot worse, most made expansion
the spec but only just. The problem we had already identified as board
expansion stressing the caps.

My question is how to use caps on real boards, who knows how many
other tiny smd parts are experiencing the same problems?

Thinner boards
Strategically drilled holes,
Raisinig the caps slightly to reduce leverage

Any known to work methods?

G

Are you sure it was stress? FR4 has capacitance of its own, and the TC
is ghastly... I measured 900 PPM/K on one sample, positive as I seem
to recall.

John

It's pretty hard for change in the PCB strays to effect a 5% change in
such a large (1000pF) capacitor.

Is this being measured with a proper R-L-C bridge that would indicate
any possible significant leakage on the PCB surface? Who is the cap
mfr? How many samples were tested?

Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany
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J.A. Legris · Sep 27, 2009

On Sep 26, 1:22 am, Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-I...@My-
Web-Site.com> wrote:

On Fri, 25 Sep 2009 22:31:07 -0500, krw <k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzz> wrote:
On Fri, 25 Sep 2009 19:55:05 -0700 (PDT), "J.A. Legris"
jaleg...@sympatico.ca> wrote:

On Sep 25, 2:09 pm, Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-I...@My-
Web-Site.com> wrote:
Sent to me by a daughter-in-law....

A man died and went to heaven. As he stood in front of St. Peter at
the Pearly Gates, he saw a huge wall of clocks behind him..

He asked, 'What are all those clocks?'

St. Peter answered, 'Those are Lie-Clocks. Everyone on Earth has a
Lie-Clock.

Every time you lie the hands on your clock will move.'

'Oh,' said the man, 'whose clock is that?'

'That's Mother Teresa's. The hands have never moved, indicating that
she never told a lie.'

'Incredible,' said the man. 'And whose clock is that one?'
St. Peter responded, 'That's Abraham Lincoln's clock. The hands have
moved twice, telling us that Abe told only two lies in his entire
life.'

'Where's President Obama's clock?' asked the man.

Obama's clock is in Jesus' office.

He's using it as a ceiling fan.

...Jim Thompson

I suspect your daughter-in-law is merely "handling" you with easily
digested material.

Well, Obama is digested material.

Please don't feed the troll/fairy, Legris.

...Jim Thompson

That's rich, you bloated old fart. What do you think she really wants?

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alien8er · Sep 27, 2009

On Sep 26, 8:50 pm, "Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS"
<xeton2...@yahoo.com> wrote:

"Archimedes' Lever" <OneBigLe...@InfiniteSeries.Org> wrote in messagenews:dectb5p4tbncos6ujsos32lsksek2c8ue0@4ax.com...
On Sat, 26 Sep 2009 15:51:08 -0700, "Speeders & Drunk Drivers are
MURDERERS" <xeton2...@yahoo.com> wrote:

BULLSHIT! My MOSFET's went even farther than this shit, yup mine are in sub NanoOhm. No heat, they blow my 36V 150watts light bulbs twice, no heat on the MOSFET, no death affect like your MOSFETs under constant current. A thumb size TO-220 can produce 1.2kw of switching power.

NXP claims world's first sub 1 milliOhm MOSFET in a Power S08 ...

Jul 8, 2009 ... NXP Semiconductors has unveiled the world's first n-channel sub 1 milliOhm 25 V MOSFET, PSMN1R2-25YL, and is claiming the lowest ever RDSon ...

YOUR MOSFETs (no apostrophe, idiot)?

What company do YOU make or design MOSFETs for?

Otherwise, it is you that is full of shit.

I bet many of your cock-suckers don't know how to use your regular multi-meter to check nanaohm's or micro-ohm resistances. It's really simple than you think.. All you're good at is throwing your funky formula on the internet....Heeheee.....Don'tchaknow?

Sorry, didn't notice you there earlier. I'm still tuning the
killfilter on this laptop.

PLONK!

Mark L. Fergerson

UltimatePatriot · Sep 27, 2009