Driver to drive?

On Sat, 26 Sep 2009 20:50:39 -0700, "Speeders & Drunk Drivers are
MURDERERS" <xeton2001@yahoo.com> wrote:


Go away, richardson. You're a goddamned retard.
 
On Sep 27, 2:02 am, John Larkin
<jjlar...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:
On Sat, 26 Sep 2009 15:54:37 -0700 (PDT),Bill Sloman





bill.slo...@ieee.org> wrote:
On Sep 26, 4:52 pm, John Larkin
jjlar...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:
On Sat, 26 Sep 2009 00:27:41 -0400, "Martin Riddle"

martin_...@verizon.net> wrote:
http://blog.heritage.org/2009/06/29/an-inconvenient-voice-dr-alan-car...

Cheers

How would a lawyer and community organizer know the real truth about
anything?

Listen to the best available advice? Dubbya was exposed to the same
quality of advice, but chose to ignore advice that he found
inconvenient or distasteful.

You have shown signs of a similar problem.

Idiot. You know nothing about my life except that I have a job and
design good electronics. I know nothing about your life except that
you don't, and you don't.
There you go. You know that I haven't got a job because I've told you.
You know very little about the electronics I've designed because
you've seen very little of it, but despite this you are willing to
claim that I don't design good electronics.

You've not got any evidence to support the claim, but you feel free to
make it anyway, in much the same way - and for precisely the same
reason - that Dubbya was confident that there were weapons of mass
destruction in Irak.

--
Bill Sloman, Nijmegen
 
On Sep 27, 2:24 am, Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-I...@My-
Web-Site.com> wrote:
On Sat, 26 Sep 2009 17:02:09 -0700, John Larkin





jjlar...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:
On Sat, 26 Sep 2009 15:54:37 -0700 (PDT),Bill Sloman
bill.slo...@ieee.org> wrote:

On Sep 26, 4:52 pm, John Larkin
jjlar...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:
On Sat, 26 Sep 2009 00:27:41 -0400, "Martin Riddle"

martin_...@verizon.net> wrote:
http://blog.heritage.org/2009/06/29/an-inconvenient-voice-dr-alan-car...

Cheers

How would a lawyer and community organizer know the real truth about
anything?

Listen to the best available advice? Dubbya was exposed to the same
quality of advice, but chose to ignore advice that he found
inconvenient or distasteful.

You have shown signs of a similar problem.

Idiot. You know nothing about my life except that I have a job and
design good electronics. I know nothing about your life except that
you don't, and you don't.

John

But Slowman "does"... he sucks ;-)
As opposed to Jim Thompson and John Larkin who emit an almost
continuous flux of unsubstantiated nonsense.

--
Bill Sloman, Nijmegen
 
On Sun, 27 Sep 2009 05:17:44 -0700, UltimatePatriot
<UltimatePatriot@thebestcountry.org> wrote:

On Sat, 26 Sep 2009 20:25:05 -0500, "Jon Slaughter"
Jon_Slaughter@Hotmail.com> wrote:

Of course it does me to good to blame you either but I'm just trying to get
you to understand that your ranting does no good either.

There was no rant, you retarded fuck. When you spew, it is
"intelligently written"? Horseshit is what it is, and you thinking you
are soooo correct puts the icing on the cake of stupidity you made and
can, and will eat as well.
Dimbulb, it's a rant anytime you reply five times to a single post.
John, you'll have to try harder, I've gotten him would up as tight as
seven, and I've counted eight.

Put your energy
into something constructive that might solve the problem instead of making
it worse.


Two mechanisms that you obviously know not a goddamned thing about.
AlwaysWrong knows nothing about anything, as usual.
 
On Sat, 26 Sep 2009 11:17:02 -0700 (PDT), dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com
wrote:

On Sep 26, 10:52 am, John Larkin
jjlar...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:
On Sat, 26 Sep 2009 00:27:41 -0400, "Martin Riddle"

martin_...@verizon.net> wrote:
http://blog.heritage.org/2009/06/29/an-inconvenient-voice-dr-alan-car...

Cheers

How would a lawyer and community organizer know the real truth about
anything?

John

During the election campaign I went to ACORN's website. They were
still touting their ability to get you an affordable mortgage whether
you qualified or not. They were pretty blunt about it, and
shameless. Might've saved a snapshot somewhere...
Where are all tne investigative reporters? On vacation? Hiding under
beds?

John
 
On Sun, 27 Sep 2009 03:55:25 -0700 (PDT), Bill Sloman
<bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote:

On Sep 27, 2:02 am, John Larkin
jjlar...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:
On Sat, 26 Sep 2009 15:54:37 -0700 (PDT),Bill Sloman





bill.slo...@ieee.org> wrote:
On Sep 26, 4:52 pm, John Larkin
jjlar...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:
On Sat, 26 Sep 2009 00:27:41 -0400, "Martin Riddle"

martin_...@verizon.net> wrote:
http://blog.heritage.org/2009/06/29/an-inconvenient-voice-dr-alan-car...

Cheers

How would a lawyer and community organizer know the real truth about
anything?

Listen to the best available advice? Dubbya was exposed to the same
quality of advice, but chose to ignore advice that he found
inconvenient or distasteful.

You have shown signs of a similar problem.

Idiot. You know nothing about my life except that I have a job and
design good electronics. I know nothing about your life except that
you don't, and you don't.

There you go. You know that I haven't got a job because I've told you.
You know very little about the electronics I've designed because
you've seen very little of it, but despite this you are willing to
claim that I don't design good electronics.
Post something and show us. Something not 20 years old.

John
 
On Sun, 27 Sep 2009 10:00:20 -0500, krw <krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzz> wrote:

Dimbulb, it's a rant anytime you reply five times to a single post.
Sorry, dumbfuck, but your opinions, just like your facts, are generally
wrong.

John, you'll have to try harder, I've gotten him would up as tight as
seven, and I've counted eight.
You're an idiot for counting, and a retard for thinking that it has any
meaning. It is an indicator of the depth (lack thereof) of your
mentality, however.
 
On Sun, 27 Sep 2009 11:44:52 -0700 (PDT), Bill Sloman
<bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote:

On Sep 27, 6:29 pm, John Larkin
jjlar...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:
On Sun, 27 Sep 2009 03:55:25 -0700 (PDT),Bill Sloman

bill.slo...@ieee.org> wrote:
On Sep 27, 2:02 am, John Larkin
jjlar...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:
On Sat, 26 Sep 2009 15:54:37 -0700 (PDT),Bill Sloman

bill.slo...@ieee.org> wrote:
On Sep 26, 4:52 pm, John Larkin
jjlar...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:
On Sat, 26 Sep 2009 00:27:41 -0400, "Martin Riddle"

martin_...@verizon.net> wrote:
http://blog.heritage.org/2009/06/29/an-inconvenient-voice-dr-alan-car...

Cheers

How would a lawyer and community organizer know the real truth about
anything?

Listen to the best available advice? Dubbya was exposed to the same
quality of advice, but chose to ignore advice that he found
inconvenient or distasteful.

You have shown signs of a similar problem.

Idiot. You know nothing about my life except that I have a job and
design good electronics. I know nothing about your life except that
you don't, and you don't.

There you go. You know that I haven't got a job because I've told you.
You know very little about the electronics I've designed because
you've seen very little of it, but despite this you are willing to
claim that I don't design good electronics.

Post something and show us. Something not 20 years old.

Since I'm complaining that you don't draw logical conclusions from the
evidence available, it would be waste of time for me to present you
with evidence for a proposition that obviously wouldn't take your
fancy.
Convenient evasion. You'd rather talk about climate and economics,
untestable studies where you can cite other peoples' "peer reviewed"
work as evidence of your intelligence and fuel for insults. How
dreary.

And what's wrong with twenty year old circuits? You seem to boast
about developing the same kind of stuff I was doing thirty years ago -
since then the bleeding edge of technology has moved on a bit so your
stuff goes a bit faster, but you don't - for instance - claim to be
using the sort of auto-calibration tricks that we were using back then
You conclude that we don't use autocal from the fact that I don't talk
much about autocal?

See any trimpots?

ftp://jjlarkin.lmi.net/DSC01786.JPG

The SO-8 under the eprom socket is a serial eeprom. It holds the
serial number, dash number, and the cal table, full of polynomials and
tempco factors and such. All this sort of stuff is obvious and
mandatory these days, not to mention tedious, so there's not a lot to
say about it.

For the record, I did the concept, the architecture, the target specs,
schematic, the firmware, the cal procedure/firmware/PC software, and
the manual myself. I worked with two other people on the FPGA and the
pcb layout. One of my resolves in life is to never have to drive the
ghastly Xilinx software myself. No cuts, no jumpers, no breadboard, no
prototype: rev A works.

This arbitrary waveform generator also has BIST - note the relays -
the coding of which was pretty tedious. Hardly coctail party
conversation.

I designed this dc/dc inverter for this project

ftp://jjlarkin.lmi.net/Inverter.jpg

which was fun because it's "real circuit design", not just plugging in
a commercial regulator chip. I did breadboard this bit.


John
 
John Larkin wrote:
On Sat, 26 Sep 2009 16:17:44 -0400, Phil Hobbs
pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:

John Larkin wrote:
On Sat, 26 Sep 2009 14:05:08 -0400, Rich Webb
bbew.ar@mapson.nozirev.ten> wrote:

On Sat, 26 Sep 2009 07:50:43 -0700, John Larkin
jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:

I've never used a logic analyzer. A digital scope can spot the obvious
glitch-type errors, and all a LA does after that is force you to do
the thinking you should have done in the first place. They take so
much time to connect and use, it's a lot quicker and easier to just
think.
Sometimes the danged datasheets need interpreting, though. Running up an
I2C channel on a new processor family that needs to chat with another
never-used slave device and "Did I understand all the registers and
results on both ends of this correctly?" It's awfully handy to be able
to connect onto SDA and SCL, and then tell the analyzer that those two
are an I2C channel.

Two good quality digital multimeters, preferably one with 4.5digit and <0.1%

Multiple power supplies.

A basic 2MHz function gen.

An ESR meter.
The fungen+scope IS an ESR meter. And a lot more. But personally, I
very rarely need to measure ESR.

I'd vote for an AADE LC meter instead.

The usual breadboard, parts and hand tools etc.

And good lighting. And a enormous power strip or three.

And a whiteboard on the wall within easy reach.
And a stool for the cat(s) so they have a place to nap instead of on the
workbench!
And everyone, absolutely, needs one of these. Or three, to be safe:

http://www.highlandtechnology.com/DSS/P400DS.html

Yep, almost as necessary as the beer fridge. ;)

(Your model is a great deal better than the old SRS one I used to have,
which had 5 ps settability and 200 ps jitter. And people think that
only delta-sigmas have that kind of specsmanship.)

We get down around 5 ps RMS jitter for short delays. The SRS
clock-quantization-compensation technique is inherently tricky for
both jitter and insertion delay. A couple of ramps have to be
perfectly linear and perfectly matched, and that's hard to hold
long-term. We just start a burst oscillator at trigger time and work
off that.

But seriously, everybody should have a pulse generator of some sort,
an old HP or Philips... something with a rate generator, pretrigger
out, delay, and width. Great for pulsing fet gates and relays and
logic and such.

John
I used to do most of my funky timing things with a little box containing
a 24-pin narrow DIP socket and a bunch of SMB connectors. I'd draw the
timing, burn a 22V10, and press on to the next problem. Orcad PLD V for
DOS--good medicine.

Zero-power PALs swing right to the rails like normal CMOS, and are thus
good for analogue things. I built a cute gizmo once using seven solar
cells all connected to a single TIA, with a zero-power PAL with
tri-state outputs driving the other ends. (It was for closed-loop
control of lithographic line width, using the diffraction pattern of the
latent image and controlling the length of the post-exposure bake.
Worked great.)

I'll have to see if I can find a decent programmer (preferably
dac-per-pin) for cheapish. My old one was an Advin Pilot. Any suggestions?

Cheers,

Phil Hobbs

--
Dr Philip C D Hobbs
Principal
ElectroOptical Innovations
55 Orchard Rd
Briarcliff Manor NY 10510
845-480-2058
hobbs at electrooptical dot net
http://electrooptical.net
 
On Sep 27, 6:29 pm, John Larkin
<jjlar...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:
On Sun, 27 Sep 2009 03:55:25 -0700 (PDT),Bill Sloman

bill.slo...@ieee.org> wrote:
On Sep 27, 2:02 am, John Larkin
jjlar...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:
On Sat, 26 Sep 2009 15:54:37 -0700 (PDT),Bill Sloman

bill.slo...@ieee.org> wrote:
On Sep 26, 4:52 pm, John Larkin
jjlar...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:
On Sat, 26 Sep 2009 00:27:41 -0400, "Martin Riddle"

martin_...@verizon.net> wrote:
http://blog.heritage.org/2009/06/29/an-inconvenient-voice-dr-alan-car...

Cheers

How would a lawyer and community organizer know the real truth about
anything?

Listen to the best available advice? Dubbya was exposed to the same
quality of advice, but chose to ignore advice that he found
inconvenient or distasteful.

You have shown signs of a similar problem.

Idiot. You know nothing about my life except that I have a job and
design good electronics. I know nothing about your life except that
you don't, and you don't.

There you go. You know that I haven't got a job because I've told you.
You know very little about the electronics I've designed because
you've seen very little of it, but despite this you are willing to
claim that I don't design good electronics.

Post something and show us. Something not 20 years old.
Since I'm complaining that you don't draw logical conclusions from the
evidence available, it would be waste of time for me to present you
with evidence for a proposition that obviously wouldn't take your
fancy.

And what's wrong with twenty year old circuits? You seem to boast
about developing the same kind of stuff I was doing thirty years ago -
since then the bleeding edge of technology has moved on a bit so your
stuff goes a bit faster, but you don't - for instance - claim to be
using the sort of auto-calibration tricks that we were using back then

--
Bill Sloman, Nijmegen
 
On Sun, 27 Sep 2009 10:36:04 -0700, UltimatePatriot
<UltimatePatriot@thebestcountry.org> wrote:

On Sun, 27 Sep 2009 10:00:20 -0500, krw <krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzz> wrote:

Dimbulb, it's a rant anytime you reply five times to a single post.

Sorry, dumbfuck, but your opinions, just like your facts, are generally
wrong.
You're projecting again DimBulb. *You* are AlwaysWrong.

John, you'll have to try harder, I've gotten him would up as tight as
seven, and I've counted eight.

You're an idiot for counting, and a retard for thinking that it has any
meaning. It is an indicator of the depth (lack thereof) of your
mentality, however.
I know it's hard for you to count so high, DimBulb. If you'd stick to
one reply per post, like protocol dictates, perhaps you could count
them. Probably not, though.
 
On Sun, 27 Sep 2009 09:17:15 -0700, John Larkin
<jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:

On Sat, 26 Sep 2009 11:17:02 -0700 (PDT), dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com
wrote:

On Sep 26, 10:52 am, John Larkin
jjlar...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:
On Sat, 26 Sep 2009 00:27:41 -0400, "Martin Riddle"

martin_...@verizon.net> wrote:
http://blog.heritage.org/2009/06/29/an-inconvenient-voice-dr-alan-car...

Cheers

How would a lawyer and community organizer know the real truth about
anything?

John

During the election campaign I went to ACORN's website. They were
still touting their ability to get you an affordable mortgage whether
you qualified or not. They were pretty blunt about it, and
shameless. Might've saved a snapshot somewhere...

Where are all tne investigative reporters? On vacation? Hiding under
beds?
On Obama's staff.
 
On Sun, 27 Sep 2009 12:24:39 -0700, John Larkin
<jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:

On Sun, 27 Sep 2009 11:44:52 -0700 (PDT), Bill Sloman
bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote:

On Sep 27, 6:29 pm, John Larkin
jjlar...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:
On Sun, 27 Sep 2009 03:55:25 -0700 (PDT),Bill Sloman

bill.slo...@ieee.org> wrote:
On Sep 27, 2:02 am, John Larkin
jjlar...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:
On Sat, 26 Sep 2009 15:54:37 -0700 (PDT),Bill Sloman

bill.slo...@ieee.org> wrote:
On Sep 26, 4:52 pm, John Larkin
jjlar...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:
On Sat, 26 Sep 2009 00:27:41 -0400, "Martin Riddle"

martin_...@verizon.net> wrote:
http://blog.heritage.org/2009/06/29/an-inconvenient-voice-dr-alan-car...

Cheers

How would a lawyer and community organizer know the real truth about
anything?

Listen to the best available advice? Dubbya was exposed to the same
quality of advice, but chose to ignore advice that he found
inconvenient or distasteful.

You have shown signs of a similar problem.

Idiot. You know nothing about my life except that I have a job and
design good electronics. I know nothing about your life except that
you don't, and you don't.

There you go. You know that I haven't got a job because I've told you.
You know very little about the electronics I've designed because
you've seen very little of it, but despite this you are willing to
claim that I don't design good electronics.

Post something and show us. Something not 20 years old.

Since I'm complaining that you don't draw logical conclusions from the
evidence available, it would be waste of time for me to present you
with evidence for a proposition that obviously wouldn't take your
fancy.

Convenient evasion. You'd rather talk about climate and economics,
untestable studies where you can cite other peoples' "peer reviewed"
work as evidence of your intelligence and fuel for insults. How
dreary.


And what's wrong with twenty year old circuits? You seem to boast
about developing the same kind of stuff I was doing thirty years ago -
since then the bleeding edge of technology has moved on a bit so your
stuff goes a bit faster, but you don't - for instance - claim to be
using the sort of auto-calibration tricks that we were using back then

You conclude that we don't use autocal from the fact that I don't talk
much about autocal?
In fact, you have talked some about it. As usual, Slowman lies.

See any trimpots?

ftp://jjlarkin.lmi.net/DSC01786.JPG

The SO-8 under the eprom socket is a serial eeprom. It holds the
serial number, dash number, and the cal table, full of polynomials and
tempco factors and such. All this sort of stuff is obvious and
mandatory these days, not to mention tedious, so there's not a lot to
say about it.

For the record, I did the concept, the architecture, the target specs,
schematic, the firmware, the cal procedure/firmware/PC software, and
the manual myself. I worked with two other people on the FPGA and the
pcb layout. One of my resolves in life is to never have to drive the
ghastly Xilinx software myself. No cuts, no jumpers, no breadboard, no
prototype: rev A works.
I test drove the latest Xilinx stuff a month or so ago. It's a lot
better than it was only a year ago. I'll most likely be using Actel
or Altera for the next project, though. Xilinx hasn't gotten back
with prices. I told 'em it had to be *cheap*.

This arbitrary waveform generator also has BIST - note the relays -
the coding of which was pretty tedious. Hardly coctail party
conversation.

I designed this dc/dc inverter for this project

ftp://jjlarkin.lmi.net/Inverter.jpg

which was fun because it's "real circuit design", not just plugging in
a commercial regulator chip. I did breadboard this bit.


John
 
On Sun, 27 Sep 2009 16:13:34 -0500, krw <krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzz> wrote:

On Sun, 27 Sep 2009 10:36:04 -0700, UltimatePatriot
UltimatePatriot@thebestcountry.org> wrote:

On Sun, 27 Sep 2009 10:00:20 -0500, krw <krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzz> wrote:

Dimbulb, it's a rant anytime you reply five times to a single post.

Sorry, dumbfuck, but your opinions, just like your facts, are generally
wrong.

You're projecting again DimBulb. *You* are AlwaysWrong.

John, you'll have to try harder, I've gotten him would up as tight as
seven, and I've counted eight.

You're an idiot for counting, and a retard for thinking that it has any
meaning. It is an indicator of the depth (lack thereof) of your
mentality, however.

I know it's hard for you to count so high, DimBulb. If you'd stick to
one reply per post, like protocol dictates, perhaps you could count
them. Probably not, though.
The preferential name is "Nymbecile". Please be sure to use it ;-)

...Jim Thompson
--
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Coming soon to the elementary school in your neighborhood...

I pledge allegiance to Dear Leader Barack Hussein Obama and to the
community organization for which he stands: one nation under
ACORN, unchallengeable, with wealth redistribution and climate
change for all.
 
On Sun, 27 Sep 2009 14:24:06 -0700, Jim Thompson
<To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@My-Web-Site.com> wrote:

On Sun, 27 Sep 2009 16:13:34 -0500, krw <krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzz> wrote:

On Sun, 27 Sep 2009 10:36:04 -0700, UltimatePatriot
UltimatePatriot@thebestcountry.org> wrote:

On Sun, 27 Sep 2009 10:00:20 -0500, krw <krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzz> wrote:

Dimbulb, it's a rant anytime you reply five times to a single post.

Sorry, dumbfuck, but your opinions, just like your facts, are generally
wrong.

You're projecting again DimBulb. *You* are AlwaysWrong.

John, you'll have to try harder, I've gotten him would up as tight as
seven, and I've counted eight.

You're an idiot for counting, and a retard for thinking that it has any
meaning. It is an indicator of the depth (lack thereof) of your
mentality, however.

I know it's hard for you to count so high, DimBulb. If you'd stick to
one reply per post, like protocol dictates, perhaps you could count
them. Probably not, though.

The preferential name is "Nymbecile". Please be sure to use it ;-)
Sorry, I'll try to include it from now on. "AlwaysWrong" just fits
his every post so well.
 
On Sat, 26 Sep 2009 17:48:21 -0700, Archimedes' Lever
<OneBigLever@InfiniteSeries.Org> wrote:

On Sat, 26 Sep 2009 15:51:08 -0700, "Speeders & Drunk Drivers are
MURDERERS" <xeton2001@yahoo.com> wrote:

BULLSHIT! My MOSFET's went even farther than this shit, yup mine are in sub NanoOhm. No heat, they blow my 36V 150watts light bulbs twice, no heat on the MOSFET, no death affect like your MOSFETs under constant current. A thumb size TO-220 can produce 1.2kw of switching power.



NXP claims world's first sub 1 milliOhm MOSFET in a Power S08 ...

Jul 8, 2009 ... NXP Semiconductors has unveiled the world's first n-channel sub 1 milliOhm 25 V MOSFET, PSMN1R2-25YL, and is claiming the lowest ever RDSon ...


YOUR MOSFETs (no apostrophe, idiot)?

What company do YOU make or design MOSFETs for?

Otherwise, it is you that is full of shit.
---
Indeed. :)

Just thinking about what he's proposing against what can actually be
done with ohmic material leads to the conclusion that he is, indeed,
full of shit.
 
On Sat, 26 Sep 2009 16:47:57 -0700 (PDT), George
<quinton.lyon@gmail.com> wrote:

I measured some 1206 SMD COG caps, 1nF 50V, over temperature, Very
stable -40 to +90C, well within spec of 5%, I got about 1%. The caps
were slodered to thin flying leads.

Next test was on a board, things are a lot worse, most made expansion
the spec but only just. The problem we had already identified as board
expansion stressing the caps.

My question is how to use caps on real boards, who knows how many
other tiny smd parts are experiencing the same problems?

Thinner boards
Strategically drilled holes,
Raisinig the caps slightly to reduce leverage

Any known to work methods?

G
Stange that you would get that much variation. Do you have other
components connected to the circuit that could be affecting the
measurement? Your test leads?

I'm using 0402 220pF NPO caps in an active bandpass filter with a Q of
10. Going from 25 to 70 deg C doesn't affect the filter noticeably.
The phase response doesn't drift more than a couple degrees. This is
on a FR4 board.

--
Mark
 
On Sun, 27 Sep 2009 16:37:43 -0700 (PDT), Bill Sloman
<bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote:

On Sep 27, 9:24 pm, John Larkin
jjlar...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:
On Sun, 27 Sep 2009 11:44:52 -0700 (PDT),Bill Sloman





bill.slo...@ieee.org> wrote:
On Sep 27, 6:29 pm, John Larkin
jjlar...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:
On Sun, 27 Sep 2009 03:55:25 -0700 (PDT),Bill Sloman

bill.slo...@ieee.org> wrote:
On Sep 27, 2:02 am, John Larkin
jjlar...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:
On Sat, 26 Sep 2009 15:54:37 -0700 (PDT),Bill Sloman

bill.slo...@ieee.org> wrote:
On Sep 26, 4:52 pm, John Larkin
jjlar...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:
On Sat, 26 Sep 2009 00:27:41 -0400, "Martin Riddle"

martin_...@verizon.net> wrote:
http://blog.heritage.org/2009/06/29/an-inconvenient-voice-dr-alan-car...

Cheers

How would a lawyer and community organizer know the real truth about
anything?

Listen to the best available advice? Dubbya was exposed to the same
quality of advice, but chose to ignore advice that he found
inconvenient or distasteful.

You have shown signs of a similar problem.

Idiot. You know nothing about my life except that I have a job and
design good electronics. I know nothing about your life except that
you don't, and you don't.

There you go. You know that I haven't got a job because I've told you.
You know very little about the electronics I've designed because
you've seen very little of it, but despite this you are willing to
claim that I don't design good electronics.

Post something and show us. Something not 20 years old.

Since I'm complaining that you don't draw logical conclusions from the
evidence available, it would be waste of time for me to present you
with evidence for a proposition that obviously wouldn't take your
fancy.

Convenient evasion. You'd rather talk about climate and economics,
untestable studies where you can cite other peoples' "peer reviewed"
work as evidence of your intelligence and fuel for insults. How
dreary.



And what's wrong with twenty year old circuits? You seem to boast
about developing the same kind of stuff I was doing thirty years ago -
since then the  bleeding edge of technology has moved on a bit so your
stuff goes a bit faster, but you don't - for instance - claim to be
using the sort of auto-calibration tricks that we were using back then

You conclude that we don't use autocal from the fact that I don't talk
much about autocal?

See any trimpots?

ftp://jjlarkin.lmi.net/DSC01786.JPG

The SO-8 under the eprom socket is a serial eeprom. It holds the
serial number, dash number, and the cal table, full of polynomials and
tempco factors and such. All this sort of stuff is obvious and
mandatory these days, not to mention tedious, so there's not a lot to
say about it.

That's not auto calibration, that's just replacing trim pots and screw
drivers with digital pots
none of them, either

and an eprom programmer.
The eprom holds the code, same for all units. The cal factors and
serial number and options mask are in serial eeprom.

Autocalibration is
where the circuit monitors its own off-sets and delays and reprograms
the equivalent of your serial eprom every few minutes (or whenever).
Genuine calibration has to be tracable to - in the USA - NIST primary
standards. No device can calibrate itself. Few devices can afford to
stop working whenever they feel like and re-zero or linearize
themselves; customers wouldn't like that, and we *do* have customers.
Some things can get done quietly in background, like tempco tweaks,
but the intervention must not compromise signal quality. It's better
to design stuff that doesn't drift much, which isn't real hard these
days.

For the record, I did the concept, the architecture, the target specs,
schematic, the firmware, the cal procedure/firmware/PC software, and
the manual myself. I worked with two other people on the FPGA and the
pcb layout. One of my resolves in life is to never have to drive the
ghastly Xilinx software myself. No cuts, no jumpers, no breadboard, no
prototype: rev A works.

Sure. I've done all of that, and laid out a one or two printed circuit
boards as well. Am I supposed to be impressed?

I myself hate writing manuals, and know at least one guy who is
brilliant at it. At least he was brilliant at it when I knew him in
Cambridge, when I managed to get him the job of writing the manual
that my boss wanted me to write.

http://www.interface.co.uk/

I haven't written any software worth talking about since 1976, though
I've tinkered with other people's code once or twice since then, but I
don't have any problem with assembler and programming programmable
logic devices.

This arbitrary waveform generator also has BIST - note the relays -
the coding of which was pretty tedious. Hardly cocktail party
conversation.

Relays? Couldn't you use some kind of analog switch? Relays do have
their virtues, but they are big.
These aren't very big. Their on/off ratio can't be touched by any
semiconductor I know of. Zero failures so far, too.

I designed this dc/dc inverter for this project

ftp://jjlarkin.lmi.net/Inverter.jpg

which was fun because it's "real circuit design", not just plugging in
a commercial regulator chip. I did breadboard this bit.

Pretty crude. You use the +5V rail plus the Vbe of Q1 as your voltage
reference.
It's not crude, it's elegant. Max duty cycle is controlled by design,
it's dead stable, and load regulation and efficiency are excellent.
It's fine for its purpose, which is powering opamps.

Show us a switcher you've designed, and we'll grade its
sophistication.

What made it necessary to "design" this rather than finding a
commercial regulator chip?
Positive-to-negative inverters are rare, especially at 12 volts and
close to an amp. And I did it because I enjoyed it.

John
 
On Sep 27, 9:24 pm, John Larkin
<jjlar...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:
On Sun, 27 Sep 2009 11:44:52 -0700 (PDT),Bill Sloman





bill.slo...@ieee.org> wrote:
On Sep 27, 6:29 pm, John Larkin
jjlar...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:
On Sun, 27 Sep 2009 03:55:25 -0700 (PDT),Bill Sloman

bill.slo...@ieee.org> wrote:
On Sep 27, 2:02 am, John Larkin
jjlar...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:
On Sat, 26 Sep 2009 15:54:37 -0700 (PDT),Bill Sloman

bill.slo...@ieee.org> wrote:
On Sep 26, 4:52 pm, John Larkin
jjlar...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:
On Sat, 26 Sep 2009 00:27:41 -0400, "Martin Riddle"

martin_...@verizon.net> wrote:
http://blog.heritage.org/2009/06/29/an-inconvenient-voice-dr-alan-car...

Cheers

How would a lawyer and community organizer know the real truth about
anything?

Listen to the best available advice? Dubbya was exposed to the same
quality of advice, but chose to ignore advice that he found
inconvenient or distasteful.

You have shown signs of a similar problem.

Idiot. You know nothing about my life except that I have a job and
design good electronics. I know nothing about your life except that
you don't, and you don't.

There you go. You know that I haven't got a job because I've told you..
You know very little about the electronics I've designed because
you've seen very little of it, but despite this you are willing to
claim that I don't design good electronics.

Post something and show us. Something not 20 years old.

Since I'm complaining that you don't draw logical conclusions from the
evidence available, it would be waste of time for me to present you
with evidence for a proposition that obviously wouldn't take your
fancy.

Convenient evasion. You'd rather talk about climate and economics,
untestable studies where you can cite other peoples' "peer reviewed"
work as evidence of your intelligence and fuel for insults. How
dreary.



And what's wrong with twenty year old circuits? You seem to boast
about developing the same kind of stuff I was doing thirty years ago -
since then the  bleeding edge of technology has moved on a bit so your
stuff goes a bit faster, but you don't - for instance - claim to be
using the sort of auto-calibration tricks that we were using back then

You conclude that we don't use autocal from the fact that I don't talk
much about autocal?

See any trimpots?

ftp://jjlarkin.lmi.net/DSC01786.JPG

The SO-8 under the eprom socket is a serial eeprom. It holds the
serial number, dash number, and the cal table, full of polynomials and
tempco factors and such. All this sort of stuff is obvious and
mandatory these days, not to mention tedious, so there's not a lot to
say about it.
That's not auto calibration, that's just replacing trim pots and screw
drivers with digital pots and an eprom programmer. Autocalibration is
where the circuit monitors its own off-sets and delays and reprograms
the equivalent of your serial eprom every few minutes (or whenever).

For the record, I did the concept, the architecture, the target specs,
schematic, the firmware, the cal procedure/firmware/PC software, and
the manual myself. I worked with two other people on the FPGA and the
pcb layout. One of my resolves in life is to never have to drive the
ghastly Xilinx software myself. No cuts, no jumpers, no breadboard, no
prototype: rev A works.
Sure. I've done all of that, and laid out a one or two printed circuit
boards as well. Am I supposed to be impressed?

I myself hate writing manuals, and know at least one guy who is
brilliant at it. At least he was brilliant at it when I knew him in
Cambridge, when I managed to get him the job of writing the manual
that my boss wanted me to write.

http://www.interface.co.uk/

I haven't written any software worth talking about since 1976, though
I've tinkered with other people's code once or twice since then, but I
don't have any problem with assembler and programming programmable
logic devices.

This arbitrary waveform generator also has BIST - note the relays -
the coding of which was pretty tedious. Hardly cocktail party
conversation.
Relays? Couldn't you use some kind of analog switch? Relays do have
their virtues, but they are big.

I designed this dc/dc inverter for this project

ftp://jjlarkin.lmi.net/Inverter.jpg

which was fun because it's "real circuit design", not just plugging in
a commercial regulator chip. I did breadboard this bit.
Pretty crude. You use the +5V rail plus the Vbe of Q1 as your voltage
reference.

What made it necessary to "design" this rather than finding a
commercial regulator chip?

--
Bill Sloman, Nijmegen
 
On Sep 27, 11:23 pm, krw <k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzz> wrote:
On Sun, 27 Sep 2009 12:24:39 -0700, John Larkin





jjlar...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:
On Sun, 27 Sep 2009 11:44:52 -0700 (PDT),Bill Sloman
bill.slo...@ieee.org> wrote:

On Sep 27, 6:29 pm, John Larkin
jjlar...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:
On Sun, 27 Sep 2009 03:55:25 -0700 (PDT),Bill Sloman

bill.slo...@ieee.org> wrote:
On Sep 27, 2:02 am, John Larkin
jjlar...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:
On Sat, 26 Sep 2009 15:54:37 -0700 (PDT),Bill Sloman

bill.slo...@ieee.org> wrote:
On Sep 26, 4:52 pm, John Larkin
jjlar...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:
On Sat, 26 Sep 2009 00:27:41 -0400, "Martin Riddle"

martin_...@verizon.net> wrote:
http://blog.heritage.org/2009/06/29/an-inconvenient-voice-dr-alan-car...

Cheers

How would a lawyer and community organizer know the real truth about
anything?

Listen to the best available advice? Dubbya was exposed to the same
quality of advice, but chose to ignore advice that he found
inconvenient or distasteful.

You have shown signs of a similar problem.

Idiot. You know nothing about my life except that I have a job and
design good electronics. I know nothing about your life except that
you don't, and you don't.

There you go. You know that I haven't got a job because I've told you.
You know very little about the electronics I've designed because
you've seen very little of it, but despite this you are willing to
claim that I don't design good electronics.

Post something and show us. Something not 20 years old.

Since I'm complaining that you don't draw logical conclusions from the
evidence available, it would be waste of time for me to present you
with evidence for a proposition that obviously wouldn't take your
fancy.

Convenient evasion. You'd rather talk about climate and economics,
untestable studies where you can cite other peoples' "peer reviewed"
work as evidence of your intelligence and fuel for insults. How
dreary.

And what's wrong with twenty year old circuits? You seem to boast
about developing the same kind of stuff I was doing thirty years ago -
since then the  bleeding edge of technology has moved on a bit so your
stuff goes a bit faster, but you don't - for instance - claim to be
using the sort of auto-calibration tricks that we were using back then

You conclude that we don't use autocal from the fact that I don't talk
much about autocal?

In fact, you have talked some about it.  As usual, Slowman lies.
As usual, krw doesn't know what he is talking about. If I were to ask
him to produce evidence to support his claim he'd come up as empty as
he always does.

--
Bill Sloman, Nijmegen
 

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