Driver to drive?

[Michael A. Terrell]

Gunner Asch wrote:

On Sun, 05 Jul 2009 20:52:22 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:


A CNC machine is something different than a light bulb. Few
electricians know more than how to connect a light bulb and outlets.
Besides, the story doesn't tell whether the machine has a permanent
mains connection or is connected by a cord.

I know of zero CNC machines that operate from a line cord.

Then you have been in few CNC shops west of the Mississippi.


Don't waste your time Gunner. Dimbulb is a troll from southern
Califorina who pollutes the electronics and electrical newsgroups. His
Cox Cable IP address puts him somewhere in the San Diego area. He is an
expert on everything, except correct replies.

Diego eh? I know a bunch of ex miltiary guys retired down there, might
be talked into taking an asshole out to the desert and burying him so
only his head is above ground, then driving home and never going back.

Ill check into it and see if we can ID this guy.

It would be more entertaining to learn his real name and where he
'works' so he can be outed every time he opens his ignorant mouth. I'm
sure his 'employer' wouldn't like their name associated with his
ignorant rantings. Then it will all be in the public record, so any
time he applies for a job, the prospective employer can see what a moron
he really is.


--
You can't have a sense of humor, if you have no sense!

 

[Doug Miller]

In article <Ego4m.11481$8P7.5475@newsfe21.iad>, "Rich." <rcres@XXcomcast.net> wrote:

"Doug Miller" <spambait@milmac.com> wrote in message
news:2Qn4m.6913$iz2.1189@nlpi070.nbdc.sbc.com...

Nonsense. There are *many* areas of the U.S. in which there is *no*
regulation
of the electrical trade.

Such as....?

Don't have much experience living in rural areas, do you?

 

[Doug Miller]

In article <Efo4m.11479$8P7.6642@newsfe21.iad>, "Rich." <rcres@XXcomcast.net> wrote:

"krw" <krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzz> wrote in message
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On Sun, 5 Jul 2009 22:06:26 -0400, "Rich." <rcres@XXcomcast.net
wrote:


I could go on and on posting these links, but I don't see any reason to
beat
you over your head with your own ignorance.

Yes, please do. ...for *every* jurisdiction in the US.

Better yet, why don't you post what jurisdictions (states) in the USA do not
regulate the electrical trade. I guarantee that your list would be smaller
than mine, if your's exists at all.

Very doubtful, actually. Such regulation is frequently at the town, city, or
county level, not state. While a majority of the population of the U.S. is
urban, the huge majority of _counties_ are rural. Given that many rural areas
and small towns don't bother with such trivia as electrical codes, I suspect
that the jurisdictions that don't have codes far outnumber those that do.

 

[pyotr filipivich]

Let the Record show that Gunner Asch <gunner@NOSPAMlightspeed.net> on
or about Sun, 05 Jul 2009 23:46:03 -0700 did write/type or cause to
appear in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:

On Sun, 05 Jul 2009 22:30:57 -0700, pyotr filipivich
phamp@mindspring.com> wrote:

Let the Record show that Gunner Asch <gunner@NOSPAMlightspeed.net> on
or about Sun, 05 Jul 2009 15:46:10 -0700 did write/type or cause to
appear in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:

You may be a professional something, but 'professional electrician'
will not be the title.

Nor have I ever made that claim.

So am I just a "handyman"?

To what level?

Let's poll the girlfriends ... hmmm, even the bull dyke from
Encino says you're pretty useful, and restful for the eyes. Go figah!

Well thank you Pardner...blush!!

Though dogs and litle children find me kindly...no one has ever called
me restful to the eyes afore....

Well, don't look at me like that. It's the bulldyke who thinks
you're a sight for sore eyes. I've seen your pictures, I'm inclined
towards "eye sore". But there's no accounting for taste, particularly
amongst women. It's the Bull Dyke who thinks you're easy looking.

You thilly savage you!

OH, dear. Perhaps you might remember "The Ballad of Ben Gay" by
Ben Gay and his Silly Savages? It was about how he wanted to be a
cowboy, a gay caballero. "They made fun of my purse - they have
saddlebags don't they?"

snerk.


pyotr
-
pyotr filipivich
We will drink no whiskey before its nine.
It's eight fifty eight. Close enough!

 

[pyotr filipivich]

Let the Record show that Gunner Asch <gunner@NOSPAMlightspeed.net> on
or about Sun, 05 Jul 2009 22:25:38 -0700 did write/type or cause to
appear in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:

I know of zero CNC machines that operate from a line cord.
And what is your definition of a line cord?

You've never seen 3 Wire with ground, plugs connected to cords on
electrical equipment?

He must not get out much....shrug.

And in most of California..that means far far different requirements
..legally.. than does hardwiring.

I love that stuff, In the shipyards, weld the stuff to the deck, put a
plug and connector on it, and it is "temporary"

Ayup..and if you put a plug and cord on a CNC machine..it too is
"temporary" and doesnt require a license to do.

It's the plug which matters, all the rest is secondary.

Crud, I've working in buildings which had been designated
"temporary" structures some thirty years before.


tschus
pyotr

-
pyotr filipivich
We will drink no whiskey before its nine.
It's eight fifty eight. Close enough!

 

[Richard Henry]

On Jul 6, 11:06 am, spamb...@milmac.com (Doug Miller) wrote:

In article <Efo4m.11479$8P7.6...@newsfe21.iad>, "Rich." <rc...@XXcomcast.net> wrote:
"krw" <k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzz> wrote in message
news:ggt255p7rnfffdva5sq20djnj7lsc7ript@4ax.com...
On Sun, 5 Jul 2009 22:06:26 -0400, "Rich." <rc...@XXcomcast.net
wrote:

I could go on and on posting these links, but I don't see any reason to
beat
you over your head with your own ignorance.

Yes, please do.  ...for *every* jurisdiction in the US.

Better yet, why don't you post what jurisdictions (states) in the USA do not
regulate the electrical trade. I guarantee that your list would be smaller
than mine, if your's exists at all.

Very doubtful, actually. Such regulation is frequently at the town, city, or
county level, not state. While a majority of the population of the U.S. is
urban, the huge majority of _counties_ are rural. Given that many rural areas
and small towns don't bother with such trivia as electrical codes, I suspect
that the jurisdictions that don't have codes far outnumber those that do.

I worked for two years as an unlicensed electrician in upstate New
Hampshire during my college years. I don't believe any of the workers
in that shop had, or were required to have, a license or formal any
training or testing. The bulk of the work the second year was on
construction of a new multi-story hotel, biggest in the area at that
time, which google maps leads me to believe has not burned down yet.

 

[Rich.]

"Richard Henry" <pomerado@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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I worked for two years as an unlicensed electrician in upstate New
Hampshire during my college years. I don't believe any of the workers
in that shop had, or were required to have, a license or formal any
training or testing. The bulk of the work the second year was on
construction of a new multi-story hotel, biggest in the area at that
time, which google maps leads me to believe has not burned down yet.



The New Hampshire State Statues:
http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/rsa/html/XXX/319-C/319-C-15.htm

TITLE XXX
OCCUPATIONS AND PROFESSIONS
CHAPTER 319-C
ELECTRICIANS
Section 319-C:15
319-C:15 Violations; Penalty. -
I. A person shall be guilty of a misdemeanor, if a natural person, or a
felony if any another person, who:
(a) Makes electrical installations without being licensed under this
chapter;
(b) Being in the electrical business, employs an unlicensed person,
other than an apprentice, to make electrical installations, unless the
person or installation is exempted under this chapter;
(c) Wrongfully or fraudulently procures a license under this chapter;
(d) Violates any provision of this chapter or rule adopted by the
board; or
(e) Wrongfully or fraudulently represents himself as a person
licensed under this chapter.
II. Nothing in this chapter shall prevent a homeowner from making
electrical installations in or about a single family residence owned and
occupied by him or her or to be occupied by him or her as his or her bona
fide personal abode.
Source. 1975, 485:1. 1981, 356:16. 1994, 238:9, eff. Jan. 1, 1995. 2004,
64:1, eff. July 2, 2004.

 

StickThatInYourPipeAndSmokeIt <Zarathustra@thusspoke.org> wrote:

Long after Ive had the chance to piss on your grave.

Doubtful.

What is that a pussy surfer boy threat?

I will live far longer than a twit like you.

Why don't the two of you get together. Gunner has had a month or two to recover from his
heart attack, Gunner's address is easily found if you have a basic knowledge of search
engines, hell he probably will give it to you.

Sunworshipper

 

[Martin Riddle]

"StickThatInYourPipeAndSmokeIt" <Zarathustra@thusspoke.org> wrote in
message news:2aa2551v6394cc8jlcf7v37aj2hdoed07p@4ax.com...

On Sun, 5 Jul 2009 14:58:42 -0700 (PDT), rangerssuck
rangerssuck@gmail.com> wrote:

On Jul 5, 2:50 pm, StickThatInYourPipeAndSmokeIt
Zarathus...@thusspoke.org> wrote:
On Sun, 5 Jul 2009 11:31:43 -0700 (PDT), rangerssuck

rangerss...@gmail.com> wrote:
Just to muddy it up even further, we recently put a medical device
through CE approval and were advised by the examiner that our label
should read "110/240", and that's the label we passed with.

CE? I am surprised that they did not want it to read "95 - 265
VAC"

That is what most CE equipment works at.

It makes a product that barely works in Japan's 90V realm, and
then
only on some products.

I had to do a redesign to insure that a production printer
(supply)would
be marketable/functional in Japanese geographical/voltage markets.

Note: That was a slash, not a dash. This was not a "universal input",
it was a dual-voltage device, with a 2:1 switchable primary. I was
surprised that they didn't want 110/220 or 120/240 or 115/230. Nope,
they insisted on 110/240. Go figure.

You have a medical device that uses a linear front end?

its probably classified as Professional Medical Electrical Equipment.
If its > 16A or >1KW ( 61000-3-2) then it is exempt from the Harmonic
tests.
So there is no need to put a PFC in there. But it looks like they are
gradually tightening this part of 60601.
I think if there is a standby mode then that is tested to meet
Harmonics, which is easy with a little PFC switcher.

Cheers

 

[Jamie]

StickThatInYourPipeAndSmokeIt wrote:

On Sun, 05 Jul 2009 20:12:13 -0400, Jamie
jamie_ka1lpa_not_valid_after_ka1lpa_@charter.net> wrote:


StickThatInYourPipeAndSmokeIt wrote:


On Sun, 05 Jul 2009 12:28:50 GMT, nico@puntnl.niks (Nico Coesel) wrote:



A CNC machine is something different than a light bulb. Few
electricians know more than how to connect a light bulb and outlets.
Besides, the story doesn't tell whether the machine has a permanent
mains connection or is connected by a cord.


I know of zero CNC machines that operate from a line cord.

And what is your definition of a line cord?

You've never seen 3 Wire with ground, plugs connected to cords on
electrical equipment?



Not 5kW machinery, no. D'oh!
Oh really ?

Lets see, if that was single phase it would be ~20 amps at 240. big deal.
3 phase, 20 / sqrt(3) = ~ 12 amps on the legs.

these are just off the top of my head still! Big deal!.

You're still in the dark.

 

[Paul Hovnanian P.E.]

Nico Coesel wrote:

StickThatInYourPipeAndSmokeIt <Zarathustra@thusspoke.org> wrote:

On Sun, 05 Jul 2009 08:34:43 GMT, nico@puntnl.niks (Nico Coesel) wrote:


Nonsense. If you hire a 'pro' chances are they make even more
mistakes. In this case the owner is to blame. He should have hired
someone from the company that sells the CNC machines to connect them
properly to the mains.

If a proper electrician does not know how to hook up a machine, he is
not a proper electrician.

A CNC machine is something different than a light bulb. Few
electricians know more than how to connect a light bulb and outlets.
Besides, the story doesn't tell whether the machine has a permanent
mains connection or is connected by a cord.

Well then, the people you know aren't really electricians.

There's a lot more to the trade than stapling some Romex into a
residence.

--
Paul Hovnanian mailtoaul@Hovnanian.com
------------------------------------------------------------------
Quando Omni Flunkus Moritati (When all else fails, play dead)
-- Red Green

 

[krw]

On Mon, 06 Jul 2009 02:21:26 -0700, Archimedes' Lever
<OneBigLever@InfiniteSeries.Org> wrote:

On Sun, 05 Jul 2009 22:57:43 -0500, krw <krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzz> wrote:


Yes, please do. ...for *every* jurisdiction in the US.

There goes the KeithStain retard again, thinking that he manipulates
people with his wee wittle bwain.

People? NO, just you, DimBulb.

Face it, asswipe. You are wrong... again.

No, you keep getting that wrong, too. *You're* always wrong,
AlwaysWrong.

 

[krw]

On Mon, 6 Jul 2009 10:55:31 -0400, "Rich." <rcres@XXcomcast.net>
wrote:

"krw" <krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzz> wrote in message
news:ggt255p7rnfffdva5sq20djnj7lsc7ript@4ax.com...
On Sun, 5 Jul 2009 22:06:26 -0400, "Rich." <rcres@XXcomcast.net
wrote:


I could go on and on posting these links, but I don't see any reason to
beat
you over your head with your own ignorance.

Yes, please do. ...for *every* jurisdiction in the US.

Better yet, why don't you post what jurisdictions (states) in the USA do not
regulate the electrical trade. I guarantee that your list would be smaller
than mine, if your's exists at all.

It's a little tough to Google laws that don't exist, dummy.

 

[krw]

On Mon, 06 Jul 2009 00:57:37 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
<mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:

krw wrote:

On Sun, 05 Jul 2009 21:00:09 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:


krw wrote:

On Sun, 05 Jul 2009 16:00:13 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:


krw wrote:

On Sun, 05 Jul 2009 11:22:34 -0700, StickThatInYourPipeAndSmokeIt
Zarathustra@thusspoke.org> wrote:

On Sun, 05 Jul 2009 12:46:59 -0500, krw <krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzz> wrote:

On Sun, 05 Jul 2009 10:33:28 -0700, StickThatInYourPipeAndSmokeIt
Zarathustra@thusspoke.org> wrote:

On Sun, 05 Jul 2009 17:08:59 GMT, spambait@milmac.com (Doug Miller)
wrote:

In article <Wg44m.10923$8P7.9233@newsfe21.iad>, "Rich." <rcres@XXcomcast.net> wrote:

It is not regular practice to inform the owner, unless something is found to
be wrong. Having 245v in the building is not normal, and there is a lot of
equipment out there that does not have taps. Equipment without taps could be
damaged by this higher than usual voltage.

Nonsense. 245V = 240V + 2%. That's just not a big deal -- as long as it's a
nominal 240V supply. If the nominal supply is 208V, then yes, that's a huge
problem. But you have no idea what the supply in the building is supposed to
be, so you have no basis for saying that it's "not normal".

It is the responsibility of the electrician to make sure the equipment he is
wiring can correctly run on the power being supplied.

No, it's not, unless there's a contract specifically requiring him to do so.
The electrician's responsibility is to install the circuits specified by the
person who hired him. The one who owns the equipment is responsible for
preparing the specs.

IMO the electrician
did not do his job correctly.

In what way?


220 to 245 is an 11.4% difference.

220V service doesn't exist, DimBulb.

Read the post,idiot. If there are no 220 volt service provisions, why
are there "220 volt taps" on equipment?

Irrelevant to the real world, DimBulb. 220V is so 1950s.


Has anyone ever seen a 1950s CNC machine?

Does a Jaquard loom count? Oh, 1950s, not 1750s. ;-)


Did it have a $4000 controller board? ;-)

In 2009 dollars, quite likely.


Well, Zero bit processors were quite expensive.

Jacquard looms are pretty impressive things to watch. ...and almost
300 years old. Not "zero bits" at all.

 

[krw]

On Mon, 06 Jul 2009 01:31:38 -0700, StickThatInYourPipeAndSmokeIt
<Zarathustra@thusspoke.org> wrote:

On Sun, 05 Jul 2009 19:28:29 -0500, krw <krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzz> wrote:

On Sun, 05 Jul 2009 15:11:18 -0700, StickThatInYourPipeAndSmokeIt
Zarathustra@thusspoke.org> wrote:

On Sun, 05 Jul 2009 13:57:12 -0500, krw <krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzz> wrote:

Irrelevant to the real world, DimBulb. 220V is so 1950s.


Yet the taps are still made available on equipment, you idiot. That is
also what may have caused to over-voltage condition, IDIOT. Improper tap
selection does cause failure modes.

Trying to move the goal posts again, Dimbulb? The fact is that there
is no 220V service, so 245V is not 11% OV as you said it was.

It is 11.4% above the selected tap voltage though, you total fucking
retard.

Stupid, the supply was *NOT* 220V, no matter how they set the taps on
the machine.

You are so 'never was'.

Tell us, how hard is it to be always wrong, AlwaysWrong?

You are incorrect, KeithStain. You are such a stain on the group.

Again, it is you who forgets his natural place in the universe,
AlwaysWrong.

 

[Michael A. Terrell]

krw wrote:

On Mon, 06 Jul 2009 00:57:37 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:

krw wrote:

On Sun, 05 Jul 2009 21:00:09 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:

krw wrote:

Michael A. Terrell wrote:

Has anyone ever seen a 1950s CNC machine?

Does a Jaquard loom count? Oh, 1950s, not 1750s. ;-)

Did it have a $4000 controller board? ;-)

In 2009 dollars, quite likely.

Well, Zero bit processors were quite expensive.

Jacquard looms are pretty impressive things to watch. ...and almost
300 years old. Not "zero bits" at all.

They operated from punched cards for the weave patterns, and had zero
bits of computer processing power.


--
You can't have a sense of humor, if you have no sense!

 

[Rich.]

"krw" <krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzz> wrote in message
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On Mon, 6 Jul 2009 10:55:31 -0400, "Rich." <rcres@XXcomcast.net
wrote:

"krw" <krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzz> wrote in message
news:ggt255p7rnfffdva5sq20djnj7lsc7ript@4ax.com...
On Sun, 5 Jul 2009 22:06:26 -0400, "Rich." <rcres@XXcomcast.net
wrote:


I could go on and on posting these links, but I don't see any reason to
beat
you over your head with your own ignorance.

Yes, please do. ...for *every* jurisdiction in the US.

Better yet, why don't you post what jurisdictions (states) in the USA do
not
regulate the electrical trade. I guarantee that your list would be smaller
than mine, if your's exists at all.

It's a little tough to Google laws that don't exist, dummy.

Yeah...that's okay, I already knew you couldn't back up your remark.

 

[JosephKK]

On Sun, 5 Jul 2009 11:50:31 -0400, "Rich." <rcres@XXcomcast.net>
wrote:

Equipment is designed to operate +/- 10% of the nameplate rating. In the
case of taps like what happened here, the taps are supposed to be set by the
electrician to fall within the 10% range. With the taps set at 220v the CNC
machine was good to operate from 218v to 242v. As the power installer, it
was the electrician's responsibility to verify the voltage coming into the
building and adjust the taps on the machine accordingly. He was paid to
correctly hook up power to the machine and failed to do so.

Don't you mean 198 V to 242 V?

 

[krw]

On Mon, 6 Jul 2009 21:12:37 -0400, "Rich." <rcres@XXcomcast.net>
wrote:

"krw" <krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzz> wrote in message
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On Mon, 6 Jul 2009 10:55:31 -0400, "Rich." <rcres@XXcomcast.net
wrote:

"krw" <krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzz> wrote in message
news:ggt255p7rnfffdva5sq20djnj7lsc7ript@4ax.com...
On Sun, 5 Jul 2009 22:06:26 -0400, "Rich." <rcres@XXcomcast.net
wrote:


I could go on and on posting these links, but I don't see any reason to
beat
you over your head with your own ignorance.

Yes, please do. ...for *every* jurisdiction in the US.

Better yet, why don't you post what jurisdictions (states) in the USA do
not
regulate the electrical trade. I guarantee that your list would be smaller
than mine, if your's exists at all.

It's a little tough to Google laws that don't exist, dummy.

Yeah...that's okay, I already knew you couldn't back up your remark.

You're as stupid as DimBulb.

 

[krw]

On Mon, 06 Jul 2009 21:10:06 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
<mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:

krw wrote:

On Mon, 06 Jul 2009 00:57:37 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:

krw wrote:

On Sun, 05 Jul 2009 21:00:09 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:

krw wrote:

Michael A. Terrell wrote:

Has anyone ever seen a 1950s CNC machine?

Does a Jaquard loom count? Oh, 1950s, not 1750s. ;-)

Did it have a $4000 controller board? ;-)

In 2009 dollars, quite likely.

Well, Zero bit processors were quite expensive.

Jacquard looms are pretty impressive things to watch. ...and almost
300 years old. Not "zero bits" at all.


They operated from punched cards for the weave patterns, and had zero
bits of computer processing power.

They are CNC machines. CNC machines don't need to "process" anything.