Driver to drive?

[Eeyore]

John Fields wrote:

Eeyore wrote:
"Michael A. Terrell" wrote:

Personally, I think any 'reverb' sucks.

Your personal opinion in this matter is irrelevant.
---
Since whether one likes reverb or not is subjective, and since whether
or not a buy-no buy decision may hinge on whether reverb is or is not
included in a product, his feelings are _highly_ relevant.

Only if he's buying such a piece of kit. The market generally likes reverb
to be available along with graphic equalisers (which I'm less keen on
since of its ability to fuck the sound up wonderfully when abused) for
instance.

That doesn't mean I never design a graphic equaliser. In this case MY
opinion is irrelevant.

Purist higher end desks never have either installed since the user can
select his/her preference of reverb/equaliser form many brands and models
of rack mounting 'outboard' kit.

Graham

 

[Falk Willberg]

Richard The Dreaded Libertarian schrieb:

On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 00:20:39 -0700, Richard Henry wrote:

On Oct 20, 4:02 pm, Richard The Dreaded Libertarian <n...@example.net
...
He himself said that he's the son of an unwed mother, and he calls himself
an "African" American - who in hell wants some half-assed American, who
puts Africa first, running the country? Where does his allegiance lie?
Please continue.

Continue what? I've asked a question - Is Osama^H^H^H^Hbama an African, or
an American?

I bet, he is a US-Citizen ;-)

Many "Americans" are Spanish anyway, some Irish, some African, French,
Asian, just like in Europe. (The gold old one)

Falk

 

[Jim Yanik]

Falk Willberg <Faweglassenlk@falk-willberg.de> wrote in
news:6m6i4tFf1922U1@mid.individual.net:

Richard The Dreaded Libertarian schrieb:
On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 00:20:39 -0700, Richard Henry wrote:

On Oct 20, 4:02 pm, Richard The Dreaded Libertarian
n...@example.net
...
He himself said that he's the son of an unwed mother, and he calls
himself an "African" American - who in hell wants some half-assed
American, who puts Africa first, running the country? Where does
his allegiance lie?
Please continue.

Continue what? I've asked a question - Is Osama^H^H^H^Hbama an
African, or an American?

I bet, he is a US-Citizen ;-)

Many "Americans" are Spanish anyway, some Irish, some African, French,
Asian, just like in Europe. (The gold old one)

Falk

I've read today that Obama's on-site Hawaiian "birth certificate" showing
he was born in the 1960s,uses language not common to birth certificates
until the 1980's;"African" listed vs "Negro" for race.

another forged document? It wouldn't surprise me.

Obama has yet to come up with an official birth certificate.

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net

 

[Falk Willberg]

Joerg schrieb:
....

The reality is that our neigbor can only get reception on his GSM
phone with a vertical yagi mounted on a piece of schedule 80 pipe above
his roof line. My CDMA phone gets good signal in every location out here
and according to maps the cell tower densities aren't very different.

Could that be a problem of the distance to the base station? My reality
is, that GSM works perfect everywhere here, but CDMA does not, even if I
would use a Yagi.

*I* know, that it is a matter of distance, since the closest CDMA base
station is located some 1.000 Miles away ;-)

Falk

 

[Joerg]

Falk Willberg wrote:

Joerg schrieb:
...

The reality is that our neigbor can only get reception on his GSM
phone with a vertical yagi mounted on a piece of schedule 80 pipe above
his roof line. My CDMA phone gets good signal in every location out here
and according to maps the cell tower densities aren't very different.

Could that be a problem of the distance to the base station? My reality
is, that GSM works perfect everywhere here, but CDMA does not, even if I
would use a Yagi.

The base stations are clustered around the same towers here. That is
because we don't have many low cost (a.k.a. existing) towers. Just a few
high voltage lines along Highways 50 plus a few others here and there.
That's where you regularly see the provider trucks, including those from
GSM providers.

This neighbor literally told me: "Before they switched to GSM it always
worked". But his clients all have his cell numbers so he had no choice
but to put up a makeshift roof antenna. I wonder how it will survive the
winter storms out here.

*I* know, that it is a matter of distance, since the closest CDMA base
station is located some 1.000 Miles away ;-)

--
Regards, Joerg

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[Richard The Dreaded Liber]

On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 10:05:16 -0700, mpm wrote:

The point is, like everything else Republican the last 8 years, the
FCC also deregulated.

DE-regulated? Are you insane? What's "You must pay your hard-earned money
for this box to see TV any more" other than EXCESSIVE regulation?

Thanks,
Rich

 

[mpm]

On Oct 21, 10:21�am, Richard Henry <pomer...@hotmail.com> wrote:

You don't get arrested for plumbing without a license

Agreed. I was just responding to Terrell's terminology, as he lived
there.
Substitute "citation" or "get a fine" for arrest if you like.
But I don't live or work there, so I really don't know.

-mpm

 

[john jardine]

"Martin Brown" <|||newspam|||@nezumi.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
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john jardine wrote:
"Joerg" <notthisjoergsch@removethispacbell.net> wrote in message
newseQKk.5818$Ws1.5360@nlpi064.nbdc.sbc.com...
Jan Panteltje wrote:
The free spaces between US digital TV stations can now be used for
wireless services.
In spite of failed tests ;-)

In German:


http://www.heise.de/newsticker/US-Regulierer-will-den-Weissen-Raum-oeffnen--
/meldung/117556

That has been around since a long time. Our church uses wireless mikes
as a secondary UHF user. Of course we made sure that this doesn't
bother
anyone. Love thy neighbor

DTV is a whole 'nother ballgame. It falls apart every other night
around
here. And when it goes then most of the channels turn into a blocky
Picasso, not just one.

Even though I can see the Emley Moor TV transmitter from my window and
have
a steerable Yagi and have just replaced my set top box with a new one
and
know I've an excellent signal cos the spectrum analyser says so, I still
see
a crap picture.

I'd have thought that close to a transmitter a piece of wet string
might be more appropriate.

A year ago it used to be 'nearly acceptable' now it's not even nearly.
Constant freezing, blocking out, loss of sound, paint-it-by-numbers
colours
and Max Headroom staccatos.

I only have that problem when it rains heavily (like last night). And
only then on the weaker stations but wrecked MPEG effect is pretty
annoying. The low signal degradation is anything but graceful and very
cubist. The diagnostics on my various set top boxes and internal dtv
shows that at what it calls signal = 5/10 the results are fine and at
4/10 it is worse than useless. The weaker stations hover around 6/10
in fine weather most of the main ones are 10/10 (and 9/10 in heavy
rain).

An inbuilt tendency to conspiracy theory has deduced I'm losing bit
bandwidth to that HD thing the broadcasters seem to be pushing. They
switch
off analogue in a couple of months, the telly's (and STBs) look like
they'll
be heading down the council recycling centre at the same time.

What diagnostics does your set top box provide? Mine shows signal
strength and bit error rate (the latter typically scores 10 or 0 so is
a pretty useless measure). I'd wonder about front end overloading as
they wind up the wick if you are within visual range of a nearby
transmitter. Maybe worth trying an attenuator...

It is a bit worrying that electronics engineers are having trouble
getting adequate performance out of dtv. What chance the general
public?

Regards,
Martin Brown

Yes. Literally a bit of wet string in the socket can bring in good analogue
TV!.
.... I'm intrigued though by your mention of a possible built in diagnostics
facility. My exertion so far has been discovering which button to press to
change channels, so this evening I'll RTFM and have a poke about.
Also my new digital TV PC tuner card barely sees anything at all.
No overloading, tried the attenuator thing a while ago. Can also rotate the
aerial off beam and onto other much weaker signals.
I notice the digital signal is coming off Emley tower at only! 50kW c.f. the
analogue power 870kW, so should maybe rationalise my problems to
tropospheric non-ducting, non-sporadic E or some local meteor scattering .
Best thing is to wait for switchover, give it a couple days and then dump
all the kit. Nothing worth watching anyway

 

[Jan Panteltje]

On a sunny day (Tue, 21 Oct 2008 11:10:25 -0700) it happened Joerg
<notthisjoergsch@removethispacbell.net> wrote in
<EWoLk.5945$Ws1.4494@nlpi064.nbdc.sbc.com>:

This neighbor literally told me: "Before they switched to GSM it always
worked". But his clients all have his cell numbers so he had no choice
but to put up a makeshift roof antenna. I wonder how it will survive the
winter storms out here.

GSM here does not 'always' work.
I have for example an 'Orange' (that is service provider) GSM,
and it did not really work here indoors.
I called their helpdesk, and they told me: 'We do not guarantee indoor use'.
So much for that
Am using it as PDA now..... The calender and alarm are great.
For reliable GSM I have to climb the stairs, and phone from there.
But I am way at the end of the world.

 

[Joerg]

mpm wrote:

On Oct 21, 2:10�pm, Joerg <notthisjoerg...@removethispacbell.net
wrote:

The base stations are clustered around the same towers here. That is
because we don't have many low cost (a.k.a. existing) towers. Just a few
high voltage lines along Highways 50 plus a few others here and there.
That's where you regularly see the provider trucks, including those from
GSM providers.

That may be, but just remember that a carrier may not have deployed
all the technologies / spectrum available to it in that market on
every tower. ...

Then they should not market it. A disappointed customer rarely returns,
ever. You typically get exactly one shot.

... So, you might have a tower in your area that only offers
one type of service. (i.e., CDMA, GSM, UMTS, etc..)

They are fiercely competing out here and I am sure they try their best
to make sure it's all in place. There is nothing worse than unhappy
customers especially since we now (finally!) have something like a
30-day cool-off period. IOW if it ain't working you can get out of the
contract.

The towers are all within 1-2 miles, no tricky terrain. The terrain
begins to become tricky about 20 miles from here towards where the TV
stations are.

I do know there's about a 35 mile path limit to signalling on some
local 3G systems.

AFAIK it's 35km but can be increased in firmware.

This has to do with the signalling times, and something deep down in
the air-interface standard.
I don't have the skinny on it, but can probably get it if you're
interested.

Depending on who your carrier is, I can tell you who has what where.
(except for in-building stuff.) -mpm

He's got AT&T over GSM, I got Virgin via Sprint's CDMA network. And by
golly, I am glad I made that choice. I can't even count anymore all the
occasions where I had signal and others were looking at zero bars.

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

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[mpm]

On Oct 21, 12:12�pm, Richard The Dreaded Libertarian
<n...@example.net> wrote:

I wonder who voted for that crap, or have we returned to the days of
emperors?

It's all an outgrowth of a failed FCC experiment relating to
"interference temperature".
The basic idea was harmful interference between the various services
could be controlled by means other than licensing. This was a
nebulous concept at best - I sat through several FCC presentations on
the process back when Michael Powell was still Chairman.

Wisdom prevailed (mostly), and the FCC's OET terminated the ideas
circa Summer 2007.

You can still see traces of this line of thinking though with ultra-
wideband, through-wall imaging, and ground penetrating radars. Also,
re-use of satellite spectrum in terrestrial mode (an interesting off-
axis idea in more ways that one), and even the TV white space
initiatives.

Obviously, intermod studies are pretty much useless when you're
dealing with large swaths of spectrum. Many (perhaps most) of the new
technologies are either spread-spectrum or employ exotic modulation
schemes...

Prior to this, you can see how this train actually left the station.
The FCC (circa 2000) created the whole Telecommunications
Certification Bodies (TCB) process in Part-2 of its Rules. They (FCC
OET) don't even bother to certify the certifiers anymore - leaving
that task to NIST. Which might be better suited, granted.? Clearly,
the FCC felt it could not keep up with innovation through licensing &
rule-making alone - the latter being a protracted process even on a
good day.

The point is, like everything else Republican the last 8 years, the
FCC also deregulated.

-mpm

 

[Anton Erasmus]

On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 01:20:32 +0200, Joop <jojo@xs4all.nl> wrote:

On Mon, 20 Oct 2008 15:32:08 +0200, David Brown
david@westcontrol.removethisbit.com> wrote:
...
I'm curious - what is it that Excel can do that Calc cannot?

I use OO at home but it is kinda old (1.1.4)
Does Calc nowadays support engineering format for numbers? So xxxE-6,
yyE-9 etc instead of x.xxE-4, y.yE-8?
That is something I missed from Excel.

Yes, It works fine in V2.3.1. Not sure when it was added.

Regards
Anton Erasmus

 

[Eeyore]

john@jjdesigns.fsnet.co.uk wrote:

Eeyore wrote:

john jardine wrote:
[...]
Servo arrangement summat like this?.
http://img518.imageshack.us/my.php?image=eloadte9.png
[An 'electronic load' project (scrapped). Occasionally blew opamps
consequent to particular dynamics on the Red wire. Traced to Drain/gate
feedback transients coupled with slightly dissimilar current source slew
rates.]

Surely would have been fixable with a reverse biased diode from op-amp o/p to V+
and another one from the - i/p to ground, but you'd have needed a small series
R.

Yes. Fitted. The diodes only helped. Fast 30~40V, (external) incoming
edges through the Cgd's caused lock-up of one section, quickly
noticed by the others, nett result a few uS of chaotic transient
oscillations (and Cgd pumping) as they all settled into step. A few nH
of series strays didn't help either. A LF 'dominant pole' fixed the
problem but the setup was numb out beyond a few kc hence useless as a
'load'. Did the job at the time but would rethink next time round.

Was this even with schottkies ?

Graham

 

[Michael A. Terrell]

Eeyore wrote:

"Michael A. Terrell" wrote:

Eeyore wrote:
"Michael A. Terrell" wrote:
Eeyore wrote:
Jamie wrote:

Being it's audio, there shouldn't be any legality issues since that
field has no secrets, you twit!

My DSP reverb code is definitely secret. Just to take one tiny example.

Graham

Try writing AGC code for a multiple telemetry system.

It's not what I do. And if you think a 'good to listen to' reverb algorithm is
simple (not echo), you're VERY mistaken.

Personally, I think any 'reverb' sucks.

Then you haven't heard any good ones.

There are no 'good ones'. The whole concept stinks.


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The first sign of insanity is denying that you're crazy.

 

[mpm]

On Oct 21, 2:10�pm, Joerg <notthisjoerg...@removethispacbell.net>
wrote:

The base stations are clustered around the same towers here. That is
because we don't have many low cost (a.k.a. existing) towers. Just a few
high voltage lines along Highways 50 plus a few others here and there.
That's where you regularly see the provider trucks, including those from
GSM providers.

That may be, but just remember that a carrier may not have deployed
all the technologies / spectrum available to it in that market on
every tower. So, you might have a tower in your area that only offers
one type of service. (i.e., CDMA, GSM, UMTS, etc..)

I do know there's about a 35 mile path limit to signalling on some
local 3G systems.
This has to do with the signalling times, and something deep down in
the air-interface standard.
I don't have the skinny on it, but can probably get it if you're
interested.

Depending on who your carrier is, I can tell you who has what where.
(except for in-building stuff.) -mpm

 

[Michael A. Terrell]

Eeyore wrote:

"Michael A. Terrell" wrote:

Personally, I think any 'reverb' sucks.

Your personal opinion in this matter is irrelevant.

Your personal opinion in this matter is irrelevant, like in most
things you post. Reveb sucks. Period. It was done to death, along
with Echo effects and other novelty garbage 40+ years ago. Its just
another annoying form of distortion.


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[Eeyore]

"Michael A. Terrell" wrote:

Eeyore wrote:
"Michael A. Terrell" wrote:
Eeyore wrote:
"Michael A. Terrell" wrote:
Eeyore wrote:
Jamie wrote:

Being it's audio, there shouldn't be any legality issues since that
field has no secrets, you twit!

My DSP reverb code is definitely secret. Just to take one tiny example.

Try writing AGC code for a multiple telemetry system.

It's not what I do. And if you think a 'good to listen to' reverb algorithm is
simple (not echo), you're VERY mistaken.

Personally, I think any 'reverb' sucks.

Then you haven't heard any good ones.

There are no 'good ones'. The whole concept stinks.

Sorry Michael, but you've clearly never been a sound mixing engineer. I have (lots) as
well as tech, equipment designer, project leader, installer, coder for the software, you
name it.

Just a ROOM has natural reverb. Then think Cathedrals. Reverb is everwhere. Acoustic
singers often rely on it.

Graham

 

[Eeyore]

"Michael A. Terrell" wrote:

Eeyore wrote:
"Michael A. Terrell" wrote:

Personally, I think any 'reverb' sucks.

Your personal opinion in this matter is irrelevant.

Your personal opinion in this matter is irrelevant, like in most
things you post. Reveb sucks. Period. It was done to death, along
with Echo effects and other novelty garbage 40+ years ago. Its just
another annoying form of distortion.

The whole audio industry disagrees with you. I doubt you've even heard a
good modern reverb or ADT. It's not springs any more you know.

Graham

 

[Richard Henry]

On Oct 21, 10:38 am, Jim Yanik <jya...@abuse.gov> wrote:

Falk Willberg <Faweglasse...@falk-willberg.de> wrote innews:6m6i4tFf1922U1@mid.individual.net:





Richard The Dreaded Libertarian schrieb:
On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 00:20:39 -0700, Richard Henry wrote:

On Oct 20, 4:02 pm, Richard The Dreaded Libertarian
n...@example.net
...
He himself said that he's the son of an unwed mother, and he calls
himself an "African" American - who in hell wants some half-assed
American, who puts Africa first, running the country? Where does
his allegiance lie?
Please continue.

Continue what? I've asked a question - Is Osama^H^H^H^Hbama an
African, or an American?

I bet, he is a US-Citizen ;-)

Many "Americans" are Spanish anyway, some Irish, some African, French,
Asian, just like in Europe. (The gold old one)

Falk

I've read today that Obama's on-site Hawaiian "birth certificate" showing
he was born in the 1960s,uses language not common to birth certificates
until the 1980's;"African" listed vs "Negro" for race.

another forged document?  It wouldn't surprise me.

Obama has yet to come up with an official birth certificate.

Liar.

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html

 

[Eeyore]

"Michael A. Terrell" wrote:

Eeyore wrote:
"Michael A. Terrell" wrote:
Eeyore wrote:
"Michael A. Terrell" wrote:
Eeyore wrote:
Jamie wrote:

Being it's audio, there shouldn't be any legality issues since that
field has no secrets, you twit!

My DSP reverb code is definitely secret. Just to take one tiny example.

Graham

Try writing AGC code for a multiple telemetry system.

It's not what I do. And if you think a 'good to listen to' reverb algorithm is
simple (not echo), you're VERY mistaken.

Personally, I think any 'reverb' sucks.

Then you haven't heard any good ones.

There are no 'good ones'. The whole concept stinks.

You speak largely from a position of ignorance. Many early reverb effects were cruddy
and that's being kind to them.

It's a shame you're the other side of the pond or I could get you into some good studios
or live venues and you could see/hear for yourself.

Graham