Driver to drive?

Paul Popinjay · Oct 1, 2008

<gdewilde@gmail.com> wrote in message news:b5f0cdd3-c938-4de4-8caf-

Electrosmog - insert cave man apologistic logic here
mercury shots - insert cave man apologistic logic here
lack of oxygen - insert cave man apologistics here
lower skool standards - insert cave man apologistics here
"the news is what we say it is" - insert cave man apologistics here
not read/write books or software - insert cave man apologistics here
mythbusters is the Nr 1 science show - insert cave man apologistics
here
Kill people to have entertainments - insert cave man apologisics here

Looks to me like it's time for mankind to die now.

Lets not try to think about it to much.
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your convenience? Not only is there no confirmation number in your Profile
but also the wrong format box has been checked. I was looking at it earlier
and for some reason I cannot override the read-only properties. Did you
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Paul Popinjay · Oct 1, 2008

"Don Bowey" <dbowey@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:C508D3E4.C5926%dbowey@comcast.net...

You're the girls dad, right?

What was THIS supposed to mean? Since I do not know you, Don, I will take
this as a literal question. No, I am not the girl's dad, although I don't
understand why one would ask that question. It makes absolutely no sense to
me at this moment.

Don, we welcome new contributors to rec.gambling.poker, but sometimes the
sheer volume of posts overwhelms me. It is my task to coordinate the
threads. If you could save your comments for those times when you have more
to say, it would help me tremendously. Can you try to combine them? Even
if you have to combine topics, that is ok, as long as you make a paragraph
break to show when it is a new topic.

Thanks, Don.

best regards,
-Paul Popinjay
Asst. Coordinator, Rec.Gambling.Poker

Den · Oct 19, 2008

"Jon Slaughter" <Jon_Slaughter@Hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:upCKk.2822$hc1.1034@flpi150.ffdc.sbc.com...

Is there a cheap source for fiber optic that is't used for communication
but lighting? I need it in small lengths(< 1 in but of course I can cut
it) and don't mind imperfections. In fact I imagine even scrap would work.
1mm to 2mm in diameter too.

Although need it without the sheath or some easy way to remove it. Would
be nice if it had a coating on it so I could handle it but a very thin one
that was bonded to the fiber)

Thanks,
Jon

Farnell for sheathed stuff, about 2mm core diameter IIRC.

Try the $2 / crap / bargain / junk / shit shops and see if they have some
'70s optic fibre table lamps.

Phil Allison · Oct 19, 2008

"Kevin Aylward"

Not correct. No correctly designed amp blows up at no load (possibly
excluding some high power transmitters).

As already been eluded to, "correctly" designed valve/tube guitar amps are
liable to fail if their load is removed. This is because, the transformer
acts a bit like a current transformer. That is, a current is being fed
into the primary, and a current therefore wants to flow out of the
secondary. Hence, the output voltage raises to try and force a current
into an infinite load. There is usually a resister to try and mitigate
this, say 500ohms, but it is not practical to include a resister low
enough to solve this issue. In principle, one could design a protection
circuit, but I have never seen this in a comercial product.

** Never seen the plate to ground diodes fitted in Boogie, Peavey, Music Man
and Ampeg valve amps - then ??

Typically one gets the valve bases cracking...

** Only if the OP tranny insulation is not first.

..... Phil

John Fields · Oct 19, 2008

On Sun, 19 Oct 2008 03:07:19 +0100, Eeyore
<rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:

John Fields wrote:

Eeyore wrote:
Kevin Aylward wrote:
Eeyore wrote:
Damon Hill wrote:
Eeyore wrote

I used an Audio Precision System One of course. Even then it was
barely above residual.

I back-calcuclated it to 0.0004% ~ -106 SINAD.

The vexation I experienced with low-level distortion measurements
with the few designs I could measure with a Tektronix set was that
noise predominated the measurements. I'm not an engineer, and
design for low noise to match distortion levels is beyond me...
as is the price of an AP system.

But at such low distortion levels, is it worth it?

Everything is worth it.

?

If only for the technical challenge and personal reward.

---
Really?

You make those claims and then, conveniently, fail to back them up
because of the restrictions you claim are placed upon you by copyright
and contractual limitations.

I understand your frustration, but I don't think you're important.

If you were, you'd have technically relevant articles published in peer
reviewed journals or, at the very least, cogent discourse posted here,
on USENET.

As it is, all you seem to be intent on doing is promoting yourself as
some sort of audio Guru who claims to greatness but who refuses to
submit proof.

Suit yourself. Everything I claim does what it does. All you have to do is
buy one and test it yourself.

---
Why buy when I can build?
---

I currently have a bit of a quandary. I've been offered 2 serious jobs this
week. And I can't even begin to tell you the background, it's so
complicated.

I've made one decision though. If one outfit wants me it'll be Group
Technical Director.

---
My advice would be to take the one where you're likely to do the least
damage.

JF

OBones · Oct 19, 2008

Den wrote:

"Jon Slaughter" <Jon_Slaughter@Hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:upCKk.2822$hc1.1034@flpi150.ffdc.sbc.com...
Is there a cheap source for fiber optic that is't used for communication
but lighting? I need it in small lengths(< 1 in but of course I can cut
it) and don't mind imperfections. In fact I imagine even scrap would work.
1mm to 2mm in diameter too.

Although need it without the sheath or some easy way to remove it. Would
be nice if it had a coating on it so I could handle it but a very thin one
that was bonded to the fiber)

Thanks,
Jon

Farnell for sheathed stuff, about 2mm core diameter IIRC.

Try the $2 / crap / bargain / junk / shit shops and see if they have some
'70s optic fibre table lamps.

Or the "el cheapo" christmas tree with optical fibers

John Fields · Oct 19, 2008

On Sun, 19 Oct 2008 03:25:11 +0100, Eeyore
<rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:

John Fields wrote:

Eeyore wrote:
Kevin Aylward wrote:
Eeyore wrote:
Damon Hill wrote:
Eeyore wrote

I used an Audio Precision System One of course. Even then it was
barely above residual.

I back-calcuclated it to 0.0004% ~ -106 SINAD.

The vexation I experienced with low-level distortion measurements
with the few designs I could measure with a Tektronix set was that
noise predominated the measurements. I'm not an engineer, and
design for low noise to match distortion levels is beyond me...
as is the price of an AP system.

But at such low distortion levels, is it worth it?

Everything is worth it.

?

If only for the technical challenge and personal reward.

---
Really?

You make those claims and then, conveniently, fail to back them up
because of the restrictions you claim are placed upon you by copyright
and contractual limitations.

Fine. Pay me and I'll do something similar for you and you'll own the
copyright.

---
Pay you???

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JF

Oct 19, 2008

On 15 okt, 13:18, Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelati...@hotmail.com>
wrote:

bill.slo...@ieee.org wrote:
Since you seem to be planning on building a valve amplifier for your
guitar, you presumably don't have a clear idea of what you are doing.

On the contrary, you Bill are as usual the one without a clue.

More of Graham's usual clueless abuse. He's snipped what I wrote -
without marking the snip - thus attempting to make it appear that my
own comment is as gratuitious and unsupported as his own, rather than
the conclusion of the kind of logical argument that he appears to be
incapable of constructing.

--
Bill Sloman, Nijmegen

Kevin Aylward · Oct 19, 2008

Phil Allison wrote:

"Kevin Aylward"

Not correct. No correctly designed amp blows up at no load
(possibly excluding some high power transmitters).

As already been eluded to, "correctly" designed valve/tube guitar
amps are liable to fail if their load is removed. This is because,
the transformer acts a bit like a current transformer. That is, a
current is being fed into the primary, and a current therefore wants
to flow out of the secondary. Hence, the output voltage raises to
try and force a current into an infinite load. There is usually a
resister to try and mitigate this, say 500ohms, but it is not
practical to include a resister low enough to solve this issue. In
principle, one could design a protection circuit, but I have never
seen this in a comercial product.

** Never seen the plate to ground diodes fitted in Boogie, Peavey,
Music Man and Ampeg valve amps - then ??

Not since I switched over to using transistor guitar amplifiers.

www.kevinaylward.co.uk
www.blonddee.co.uk
www.anasoft.co.uk - SuperSpice

Oct 19, 2008

On 15 okt, 12:49, buleg...@columbus.rr.com wrote:

The "scientists" are scrambling, wondering what they can do to
continue to push their left wing political agenda now that cracks are
forming in the damn of global warming:

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/homepage/story/53884.html

Buleg doesn't know much about science, or even common sense. One cold
summer in Alsaka has reversed the trend over the past few hundred
years (probably not for the first time) and Buleg imagies that
scientists are suddenly going to start worrying that the scientific
basis of global warmng (most of which is taking place outside Alaska)
is under threat.

The complete article is somewhat more circumspect

http://www.adn.com/news/environment/story/555283.html

if still written by a journalist who doesn't understand much about
what is actually going on.

--
Bill Sloman, Nijmegen

John Fields · Oct 19, 2008

On Sun, 19 Oct 2008 02:58:12 +0100, Eeyore
<rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:

John Fields wrote:

Eeyore wrote:

As far as audio goes I AM better than 99.9% of the competition. I was in a meeting on
Monday regarding a project and sadly had to blow one of the originator's ideas (and he
seemed pretty smart) straight out of the water since he hadn't even properly read a data
sheet it seemed. I'm notorious for finding faults before they get built.

---
In that den of thieves, perhaps, but around here you're also notorious
for professing that your opinions are fact when, in fact, they aren't.

Find fault with them then !

---
I already have, and I'll continue to.

Per your request, I'm reminded of one instance from the dim past which
stands out like a sore thumb where you professed that the sum of the
output currents from a TTL (or was it CMOS?) part were allowed to exceed
the absolute maximum current into the Vcc or out of the GND terminals.

Remember?
---

You're a babe in arms in this discipline.

---
You wish.

I cut my teeth on audio and was designing and building bridge amplifiers
in the early '60's, even before RCA came out with them, as I recall.

I got out of it because I found other stuff more interesting and haven't
followed it avidly since I consider it a subset of analog design, which
_is_ a discipline which I follow.

JF

legg · Oct 19, 2008

On Sun, 19 Oct 2008 02:41:51 -0700 (PDT), spamhog <n1jpr@hotmail.com>
wrote:

Thank you John & RL !

I need the PS for HF radios. Purpose-built SMPSs have ripple under
10mVp-p across the spectrum - i.e. considering both mains hum and
switching noise, and cost several times more. Dissipation-regulated
PSs are yet more expensive.

The MeanWell S-100F-12 fits the load requirement but is rated <180mVp-
p, most ATX PSs rate lower, typically <150mVp-p .The ATX 2.2
specification allows overall deviations of +/- .6Vdc, in theory a
ripple under 1.2Vp-p on an exactly 12Vdc output would still satisfy
it.

You'll find that the ripple spec on both the Meanwell product and the
ATX is a <10MHz BW measurement composed largely of conversion
frequency artifacts above 50KHz (with minimal ripple below 200Hz).
Even at 10A, these are fairly easily filtered outside the box,
especially if the added filter stage has it's own screen.

This filtering can also be effective at your own com operating
frequency, if standard RF filtering is included and standard RF layout
and construction precautions are followed at the input and output
ports.

The conducted/radiated AC input line interference of either switcher
type should not be an issue, if they meet their labelled standards for
EMC.

The additions on the output would have minimal safety implications.
The ATX supply is intended for disk drive motor loads that can require
large surge currents. Providing that minimum loading requirements are
place on un-used outputs, and control signals are properly set, it
should function in the application, but if it doesn't work out, the
same external filtering circuit can be used on the next likely source
candidate.

Some of the components scavenged from the second ATX may be suitable
or easily modified for use in the filter box.

RL

spamhog · Oct 19, 2008

I just discovered that while the ATX PS spec just has a figure for
deviation from nominal voltages, the design guide states that maximum
ripple at 12Vdc is 120mVp-p.

Jim Thompson · Oct 19, 2008

On Sat, 18 Oct 2008 22:51:17 -0700, Robert Baer
<robertbaer@localnet.com> wrote:

Jim Thompson wrote:

On Sat, 18 Oct 2008 12:01:04 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:

Jim Thompson wrote:

For your amusement ("Several agencies fail to meet United Way
deadline")...

http://www.yumasun.com/news/way_45135___article.html/agencies_deadline.html

Why would any group wait till the last day to request funding?

They're "special". Read the comments from readers at the bottom of
the page... mostly supportive... just one leftist weenie thinking
they're "entitled".

United Way is a PRIVATE charity organization, BTW. NOT funded by the
government.

...Jim Thompson
At some places where i worked, it was virtually MANDATORY tha one
"donated".

JosephKK · Oct 19, 2008

On Sun, 19 Oct 2008 00:06:35 -0700 (PDT), miso@sushi.com wrote:

On Oct 14, 10:17 pm, JosephKK <quiettechb...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Tue, 14 Oct 2008 09:13:36 +0100, Eeyore

rabbitsfriendsandrelati...@hotmail.com> wrote:

m...@sushi.com wrote:

Silly me. I am blinded by logic. You know, it is possible a CD player
does run at a constant angular velocity, but just ignores redundant
data, that is, tracks that have already been read. I'm sure they do
whatever is cheapest.

The ones in PCs are nothing like the ones in CD players.

Graham

Erroneous again. The media handling hardware and related electronics
are exactly the same. It is a volume issue.

Some have different hardware. I own two top loader CD players, none of
which get used any more thanks to the Squeeze Box. I don't think any
computer had a top loader.

OK. I will allow that there some differences for top loaders and
non-tray front loaders. But volume manufacturing means minimizing the
number of different parts.

Jim Thompson · Oct 19, 2008

On Sun, 19 Oct 2008 01:35:26 +0200, "petrus bitbyter"
<pieterkraltlaatditweg@enditookhccnet.nl> wrote:

"Jasen Betts" <jasen@xnet.co.nz> schreef in bericht
news:gdcaf2$9v0$1@reversiblemaps.ath.cx...
On 2008-10-16, Jim Thompson
To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@My-Web-Site.com> wrote:

For your engineering laugh for the day... or maybe sadness, depending
on your point of view, see page 65-66 (Ideas for Design) of the
October 9 edition of Electronic "Design" Magazine.

Sheeeeesh!

200V through 10K what a waste,

putting 1K to 12V should have been enough,

I guess it's possible he was working with a damaged TL431

...Jim Thompson

--

Bye.
Jasen

I doubt I'd read the issue if Jim didn't point to it and I'm sure had not
give the articles a second glance. Now I looked at the first one and found
both solutions Jim mentioned though not within 10s. I had to find the TL431
datasheet and read it to know what the beast was supposed to do anyhow. IMHO
this TL431 is not the right circuit for the purpose mentioned. I'd use some
simple comparator for it. Nevertheles, if you're building a one of and have
the TL431 at your hands, why not use it? The same applies for the
"solution". If the 20.0V (not 200V as you'd blow the TL431) is available why
not use it? As an example of "circuit design" I can neither laugh nor cry
about it. It's simply not interesting and I wonder why Jim mentioned it.

It's not an exemplary circuit.

Maybe he's growing old?

As each day passes YOU are one day closer to death ;-)

As for the second "design idea" I did not even start to read it (except for
the title that is.)

petrus bitbyter

mpm · Oct 19, 2008

On Oct 18, 10:22ďż˝pm, UltimatePatriot
<UltimatePatr...@thebestcountry.org> wrote:

On Sat, 18 Oct 2008 08:53:03 -0700 (PDT), mpm <mpmill...@aol.com> wrote:
It will be interesting to see who, if anyone, is endorsed by Gen.
Colin Powell tomorrow morning on Meet the Press.

ďż˝ What would you like to bet on it?

ďż˝I'll bet $50 that it is not Obama.

Please make your check out to the Democratic National Convention, or
Planned Parenthood.
Or even "Joe the Plumber". Maybe it'll help him with his back-taxes.
Thank you.

-mpm

mpm · Oct 19, 2008

On Oct 19, 4:41ďż˝am, "Jon Slaughter" <Jon_Slaugh...@Hotmail.com> wrote:

Is there a cheap source for fiber optic that is't used for communication but
lighting? I need it in small lengths(< 1 in but of course I can cut it) and
don't mind imperfections. In fact I imagine even scrap would work. 1mm to
2mm in diameter too.

Although need it without the sheath or some easy way to remove it. Would be
nice if it had a coating on it so I could handle it but a very thin one that
was bonded to the fiber)

Thanks,
Jon

I think you definitely want to hook up with one of the Chinese Import
companies that deal in plastic fiber optic cable. Here's a couple to
get you started...

http://www.tootoo.com/buy-Plastic_Fiber_Optic/
http://www.tootoo.com/d-p12460465-Plastic_Fiber_Optic/

Google keywords: China Import Plastic Fiber Optic.
You can also try acrylic.

krw · Oct 19, 2008

In article <6luv1iFe90meU1@mid.individual.net>,
dirk.bruere@gmail.com says...

JeffM wrote:
The official launch is Oct 13, but you can download it now.
http://distribution.openoffice.org/mirrors/#extmirrors

For those of you struggling with folks sending you crap
saved in M$'s new lock-in/lockout file formats, here's the good news:

-- New stuff --
Can open files from M$Office 2007, Office 2008 for OS X
(.docx, .xlsx, .pptx, etc.)

1024 Columns Per Sheet (was 256)
-- Excel 2007 will do 16,384 ! (x 1,048,576 !)

Support for (ISO standard) OpenDocument Format 1.2 (ODF)

Runs under OS X without X11

...and OOo has had some VBA support for a while now.

More details:
http://www.openoffice.org/dev_docs/features/3.0/

Just downloaded it.
I cannot understand why anyone would buy MS products when this is free.

Because, unless you are doing trivial work, it isn't compatible with
the other 99.9% who would rather pay for software.

--
Keith

krw · Oct 19, 2008

In article <ng0kf4lvprc3j1n07s3q0sbj9l7s50r2t2@4ax.com>,
UltimatePatriot@thebestcountry.org says...

On Sat, 18 Oct 2008 07:55:24 -0700 (PDT), MooseFET <kensmith@rahul.net
wrote:

On Oct 17, 7:17 am, mpm <mpmill...@aol.com> wrote:
On Oct 17, 9:12 am, MooseFET <kensm...@rahul.net> wrote:

While we are at it where is the FCC in the constitution

It's the brainchild of the Communications Act of 1934, which replaced
the then Federal Radio Commission.

At least, that what is says on the back of my licenses...

Just curious?
Do you have a 'beef' with the FCC?
Maybe we could trade horror stories. :-0

I have no beef. I am just pointing out a problem. Some would say:
The constitution is silent on the subject of radio waves so that must
obviously be a power left to the states. Others would say: Radio
signals cross state lines so they are interstate commerce.

Radio signals are not commerce at all.

Really? Commercial time is free? Broadcasters do it for the
jollies?

--
Keith

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