Driver to drive?

[Rick C]

On Friday, February 7, 2020 at 2:29:21 PM UTC-5, Phil Hobbs wrote:

On 2020-02-07 14:13, Lasse Langwadt Christensen wrote:
fredag den 7. februar 2020 kl. 19.47.54 UTC+1 skrev DecadentLinux...@decadence.org:
Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote in
news:308d8e2a-b22b-4fff-a9e9-6302dc776c17@googlegroups.com:

Your ignorance knows no bounds.

You had to reply with this stupid shit? Grow up, punk.
You know nothing about what I know or not.

The atmosphere is 0.04% CO2. If
it were a deadly gas we would already be dead.

Idiot. It is deadly. It displaces oxygen. Try taking a nice deep
breath of it right off the tank nozzle.

the body’s breathing control system runs on the CO2 level in the lungs
so if there's increase the CO2 level it'll make you breathe harder

breathing pure CO2 will probably feel like you just held your breath
for 2 minutes

obviously if the oxygen level is low enough breathing harder won't help

Better yet close yourself
and your car up in your garage and run your car at idle for about
twenty minutes with you in the garage with it. That should
convince...
your relatives... because you'll be dead.

car exhaust kills you with the much more dangerous CO


.04% is NOT a 'deadly' concentration 'level'.


it is for CO


A car with a working catalytic converter and oxygen sensor, and no
exhaust leaks, doesn't produce much CO.

It doesn't take much CO. Levels of just 10 ppm can cause problems with long term exposure. Thresholds of exposure depend on the duration, but double digits are generally considered to be unsafe for at least part of the population. Even after the catalytic converter CO levels are well above this.

Directly at the exhaust port of the engine levels can reach 10's of thousands of ppm (in other words per cent!). The catalytic converter can reduce this by a large amount, but not enough to make auto exhaust safe. So "not much" is not a very good measure. Many people still die from breathing auto exhaust and a running engine in a garage requires an open door or an exhaust tube.

--

Rick C.

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[Joe Gwinn]

On Sat, 1 Feb 2020 09:03:47 -0800 (PST), Klaus Kragelund
<klauskvik@hotmail.com> wrote:

Hi

I am working on something for my own business

So need to do testing at below 0 degrees C

What would be a cheapskate way to do it?

Just a household freezer?

Product is just 20x20x20

How about a used laboratory freezer. Some go to minus 80 C.

Joe Gwinn

 

Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote in
news:42eb240e-f1d2-9231-85a1-b04fa2e1e051@electrooptical.net:

On 2020-02-07 17:04, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org
wrote:
whit3rd <whit3rd@gmail.com> wrote in
news:c17857fc-fce3-4cd0-8570-79a081d9d417@googlegroups.com:

On Friday, February 7, 2020 at 10:38:15 AM UTC-8, Rick C wrote:
On Friday, February 7, 2020 at 12:51:58 PM UTC-5,
DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:

CO2 is not used for cooling because it is a deadly gas that
has no
stink indicators put into it like the flammables have...

Your ignorance knows no bounds. The atmosphere is 0.04% CO2.
If it were a deadly gas we would already be dead.

Oh, it's toxic, all right, at about 4% (it acidifies the blood);
except for Apollo 13, there's not a lot of dangerous situations.
One can use ventilation to cope with the minor annoyance.

Even oxygen is toxic, at 100%. The dose makes it toxic.


This cannot be true as the initial Apollo missions were 100%
oxygen
environment. It failed for the other obvious reason.

In space, Apollo used pure oxygen at 3 psi, about the same partial
pressure as ambient air. 100% O2 at 15 PSI was what made the
Apollo 1 fire so deadly, not so much the absence of nitrogen.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

No... In space Apollo mission planners INTENDED to use 100%
oxygen. After the Apollo 1 fire they changed it to low dilution low
pressure. So they still dilute it even though it is now low
pressure. And I thought it was more like 4 psi.

 

[Phil Hobbs]

On 2020-02-07 17:12, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote:

Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote in
news:42eb240e-f1d2-9231-85a1-b04fa2e1e051@electrooptical.net:

On 2020-02-07 17:04, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org
wrote:
whit3rd <whit3rd@gmail.com> wrote in
news:c17857fc-fce3-4cd0-8570-79a081d9d417@googlegroups.com:

On Friday, February 7, 2020 at 10:38:15 AM UTC-8, Rick C
wrote:
On Friday, February 7, 2020 at 12:51:58 PM UTC-5,
DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:

CO2 is not used for cooling because it is a deadly gas
that has no stink indicators put into it like the
flammables have...

Your ignorance knows no bounds. The atmosphere is 0.04%
CO2. If it were a deadly gas we would already be dead.

Oh, it's toxic, all right, at about 4% (it acidifies the
blood); except for Apollo 13, there's not a lot of dangerous
situations. One can use ventilation to cope with the minor
annoyance.

Even oxygen is toxic, at 100%. The dose makes it toxic.


This cannot be true as the initial Apollo missions were 100%
oxygen environment. It failed for the other obvious reason.

In space, Apollo used pure oxygen at 3 psi, about the same partial
pressure as ambient air. 100% O2 at 15 PSI was what made the
Apollo 1 fire so deadly, not so much the absence of nitrogen.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs


No... In space Apollo mission planners INTENDED to use 100% oxygen.
After the Apollo 1 fire they changed it to low dilution low pressure.

Nope. The Apollo spacecraft wasn't physically strong enough for a 15
PSI pressure difference.

So they still dilute it even though it is now low pressure. And I
thought it was more like 4 psi.

The air pressure at the summit of Everest is about 5 PSI. At normal
atmospheric composition, that's right on the edge of what humans can
manage. Dropping the pressure by 20% to 4 PSI, or by 40% to the 3 PSI
Apollo standard would have incapacitated the astronauts very rapidly.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

--
Dr Philip C D Hobbs
Principal Consultant
ElectroOptical Innovations LLC / Hobbs ElectroOptics
Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics
Briarcliff Manor NY 10510

http://electrooptical.net
http://hobbs-eo.com

 

[Dave Platt]

In article <r1kflp$1j7f$1@gioia.aioe.org>,
<DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org> wrote:

As to why it's not used more as a coolant... I suspect that the
higher pressures required to liquify it (as compared to the
halogen-based refrigerants commonly used) may play a part in that.

the fluorocarbon based coolants were far easier to work with. Remember
when they used dangerous ammonia as a coolant. It works very well.
Another good one is propane or butane, but BOTH are a no-go for obvious
reasons.

Oh, indeed! One of the very earliest television shows I can remember
watching as a kid (back in the black&white era) was a story about a
group of men trapped somehow in a refrigeration plant that had an
ammonia leak from the cooling coils.

One of the characters said "You can live for about half an hour,
breathing ammonia-tainted air... and it'll be the worst half hour of
your life."

 

whit3rd <whit3rd@gmail.com> wrote in
news:c17857fc-fce3-4cd0-8570-79a081d9d417@googlegroups.com:

On Friday, February 7, 2020 at 10:38:15 AM UTC-8, Rick C wrote:
On Friday, February 7, 2020 at 12:51:58 PM UTC-5,
DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:

CO2 is not used for cooling because it is a deadly gas that
has no
stink indicators put into it like the flammables have...

Your ignorance knows no bounds. The atmosphere is 0.04% CO2. If
it were a deadly gas we would already be dead.

Oh, it's toxic, all right, at about 4% (it acidifies the blood);
except for Apollo 13, there's not a lot of dangerous situations.
One can use ventilation to cope with the minor annoyance.

Even oxygen is toxic, at 100%. The dose makes it toxic.

This cannot be true as the initial Apollo missions were 100% oxygen
environment. It failed for the other obvious reason.

Kapton tape is not flammable in ordinary air. In a pure Oxygen
environment it can light by a single spark and burn with a fury.
As shown on the Apollo 1 mission tragedy.

 

[Lasse Langwadt Christense]

fredag den 7. februar 2020 kl. 23.04.50 UTC+1 skrev DecadentLinux...@decadence.org:

whit3rd <whit3rd@gmail.com> wrote in
news:c17857fc-fce3-4cd0-8570-79a081d9d417@googlegroups.com:

On Friday, February 7, 2020 at 10:38:15 AM UTC-8, Rick C wrote:
On Friday, February 7, 2020 at 12:51:58 PM UTC-5,
DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:

CO2 is not used for cooling because it is a deadly gas that
has no
stink indicators put into it like the flammables have...

Your ignorance knows no bounds. The atmosphere is 0.04% CO2. If
it were a deadly gas we would already be dead.

Oh, it's toxic, all right, at about 4% (it acidifies the blood);
except for Apollo 13, there's not a lot of dangerous situations.
One can use ventilation to cope with the minor annoyance.

Even oxygen is toxic, at 100%. The dose makes it toxic.


This cannot be true as the initial Apollo missions were 100% oxygen
environment. It failed for the other obvious reason.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxygen_toxicity

 

Lasse Langwadt Christensen <langwadt@fonz.dk> wrote in news:3b1615bf-
2293-4c96-b856-bbf537e50084@googlegroups.com:

if you both dilute it and have low pressure there's not enough
oxygen to breathe

That is what they keep trying to tell the idiots constantly climbing
Everest. Many die.

 

[Rick C]

On Friday, February 7, 2020 at 2:48:36 PM UTC-5, DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:

Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote in
news:13c5b742-27fd-443e-be0f-0b926c4c3f1a@googlegroups.com:

Just as I thought you don't know the difference between CO2 and
CO. Car exhaust kills you from the CO.


It is the CO2, becasue the CO2 is what causes the reduction of oxygen
in the combustion process that causes the rise in CO.

I know more about it tahn you do, chump.

Just as I thought, you are almost as much of a presumptuous putz as
Sloman is.

Ok, I know better than to try to discuss anything with you. Sometimes I your extreme ignorance makes me forget that you just like to argue and don't understand anything anyone tells you.

So I accept your admission that it is CO that kills in automotive exhaust and won't pursue the matter further.

--

Rick C.

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[Phil Hobbs]

On 2020-02-07 17:04, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote:

whit3rd <whit3rd@gmail.com> wrote in
news:c17857fc-fce3-4cd0-8570-79a081d9d417@googlegroups.com:

On Friday, February 7, 2020 at 10:38:15 AM UTC-8, Rick C wrote:
On Friday, February 7, 2020 at 12:51:58 PM UTC-5,
DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:

CO2 is not used for cooling because it is a deadly gas that
has no
stink indicators put into it like the flammables have...

Your ignorance knows no bounds. The atmosphere is 0.04% CO2. If
it were a deadly gas we would already be dead.

Oh, it's toxic, all right, at about 4% (it acidifies the blood);
except for Apollo 13, there's not a lot of dangerous situations.
One can use ventilation to cope with the minor annoyance.

Even oxygen is toxic, at 100%. The dose makes it toxic.


This cannot be true as the initial Apollo missions were 100% oxygen
environment. It failed for the other obvious reason.

In space, Apollo used pure oxygen at 3 psi, about the same partial
pressure as ambient air. 100% O2 at 15 PSI was what made the Apollo 1
fire so deadly, not so much the absence of nitrogen.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

--
Dr Philip C D Hobbs
Principal Consultant
ElectroOptical Innovations LLC / Hobbs ElectroOptics
Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics
Briarcliff Manor NY 10510

http://electrooptical.net
http://hobbs-eo.com

 

[Lasse Langwadt Christense]

fredag den 7. februar 2020 kl. 23.12.15 UTC+1 skrev DecadentLinux...@decadence.org:

Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote in
news:42eb240e-f1d2-9231-85a1-b04fa2e1e051@electrooptical.net:

On 2020-02-07 17:04, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org
wrote:
whit3rd <whit3rd@gmail.com> wrote in
news:c17857fc-fce3-4cd0-8570-79a081d9d417@googlegroups.com:

On Friday, February 7, 2020 at 10:38:15 AM UTC-8, Rick C wrote:
On Friday, February 7, 2020 at 12:51:58 PM UTC-5,
DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:

CO2 is not used for cooling because it is a deadly gas that
has no
stink indicators put into it like the flammables have...

Your ignorance knows no bounds. The atmosphere is 0.04% CO2.
If it were a deadly gas we would already be dead.

Oh, it's toxic, all right, at about 4% (it acidifies the blood);
except for Apollo 13, there's not a lot of dangerous situations.
One can use ventilation to cope with the minor annoyance.

Even oxygen is toxic, at 100%. The dose makes it toxic.


This cannot be true as the initial Apollo missions were 100%
oxygen
environment. It failed for the other obvious reason.

In space, Apollo used pure oxygen at 3 psi, about the same partial
pressure as ambient air. 100% O2 at 15 PSI was what made the
Apollo 1 fire so deadly, not so much the absence of nitrogen.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs


No... In space Apollo mission planners INTENDED to use 100%
oxygen. After the Apollo 1 fire they changed it to low dilution low
pressure. So they still dilute it even though it is now low
pressure. And I thought it was more like 4 psi.

if you both dilute it and have low pressure there's not enough
oxygen to breathe

 

[Bill Sloman]

On Saturday, February 8, 2020 at 9:41:38 AM UTC+11, DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:

Lasse Langwadt Christensen <langwadt@fonz.dk> wrote in news:3b1615bf-
2293-4c96-b856-bbf537e50084@googlegroups.com:

if you both dilute it and have low pressure there's not enough
oxygen to breathe

That is what they keep trying to tell the idiots constantly climbing
Everest. Many die.

Many lug along an oxygen bottle. Few of them die - at east not from altitude sickness.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Bill Sloman]

On Saturday, February 8, 2020 at 7:32:21 AM UTC+11, Phil Allison wrote:

Bill Sloman wrote:

---------------------

** All but the very last was thoroughly answered and explained.

The shame is, not one of the self promoting bullshitters that haunt this electronics sewer figured out a single one of them .

No further proof could*possibly* be needed that ALL the resident gurus are nothing but piss and wind.

When it comes to obscure faults in audio equipment,

** Not one of my questions was about *faulty* equipment.

It was about equipment where something had gone wrong.

They where about simple, design issues that led to serious consequences in normal use - with the sole exception of the most recent example.

None was in any way "obscure".

Piss and wind is ALL you have.

What a disingenuous, smug liar you are.

And a monstrous egomaniac.

Naturally. Nobody but Phil seems to have noticed this, or my autism, but Phil is infallible (at least in his own eyes).

> The IEEE committee in Australia thoroughly deserve you.

I'm active in the committee of the NSW branch of the IEEE. There is a committee that represents Australia as whole, and our chairman goes off to their meetings, but nobody has yet tried to dragoon me into doing anything for them.

Their 2018 treasurer got me on the list to counter-sign his cheques, but I haven't had to do that recently.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Bill Sloman]

On Saturday, February 8, 2020 at 6:48:36 AM UTC+11, DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:

Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote in
news:13c5b742-27fd-443e-be0f-0b926c4c3f1a@googlegroups.com:

Just as I thought you don't know the difference between CO2 and
CO. Car exhaust kills you from the CO.

It is the CO2, because the CO2 is what causes the reduction of oxygen
in the combustion process that causes the rise in CO.

How would it do that? If it did, which it doesn't. Gasoline burns to CO2 (and water) in two steps, and the first step is oxidation to CO, which in term oxidises to CO2, but rather less rapidly. It the exhaust is short of oxygen - as it can be if the car is running on a rich mixture - there can be quite a bit of CO in the exhaust.

> I know more about it tahn you do, chump.

Obviously untrue.

Just as I thought, you are almost as much of a presumptuous putz as
Sloman is.

And all the other people who point out when you've screwed up. Your idea that you never get anything wrong is the false presumption here.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Bill Sloman]

On Saturday, February 8, 2020 at 1:23:15 AM UTC+11, dca...@krl.org wrote:

Liquid CO2 would be a first. It might even get you a Nobel Prize.

I thought the CO2 tanks that I have contained liquid CO2.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liquid_carbon_dioxide

It's difficult to get a pressure of 5.1 atmospheres in an open jug.

As usual, Dan has missed the point.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

On Monday, December 30, 2019 at 6:22:53 PM UTC-5, amdx wrote:

Phil Allison hasn't posted for 30 days.
I kind of miss having someone around that lacks all social grace,
as long as I don't really have to pay any attention to them.

Anyone have any info?


Mikek

Jane^H^H^H^H Mike, you ignorant slut...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c91XUyg9iWM

Cheers,
James Arthur

 

[Phil Allison]

Bill Sloman is a Nutcase LIAR wrote:

---------------------------------

When it comes to obscure faults in audio equipment,

** Not one of my questions was about *faulty* equipment.

It was about equipment where something had gone wrong.

** Completely false.

"They where about simple, design issues that led to serious consequences in normal use - with the sole exception of the most recent example. "

None was in any way "obscure".

Piss and wind is ALL you have.

What a disingenuous, smug liar you are.

And a monstrous egomaniac.

Naturally. Nobody but Phil seems to have noticed this,

** Completely false.

Many posters have noticed it and complained about it LOUDLY.

The IEEE committee in Australia thoroughly deserve you.

I'm active in the committee of the NSW branch of the IEEE.

There is a committee that represents Australia as whole, and our chairman goes off to their meetings, but nobody has yet tried to dragoon me into doing anything for them.


** FFS - this loon is 1000% off with the fairies.

Their 2018 treasurer got me on the list to counter-sign his cheques,
but I haven't had to do that recently.

** How incredibly fascinating.

Not.


...... Phil

 

[bitrex]

On 2/7/20 5:02 AM, Phil Allison wrote:

boB wrote:

----------


Yes, those fires down there are terrible !

I hope they contain them soon. I mean, I like warm wether and all but
it's getting rediculous now.

Good point that he might be fighting fires




** The gents that do that job live in rural ( therefor fire prone) areas and are mostly much younger and rather fitter than myself.

They all refuse to accept any payment, the motivation behind which is an interesting topic for another forum.



..... Phil

Some kind of Australian courtship ritual? "Paid" in antipodal women
dropping their bloomers?

 

[dcaster@krl.org]

On Friday, February 7, 2020 at 7:02:50 PM UTC-5, Bill Sloman wrote:

On Saturday, February 8, 2020 at 1:23:15 AM UTC+11, dca...@krl.org wrote:

Liquid CO2 would be a first. It might even get you a Nobel Prize.

I thought the CO2 tanks that I have contained liquid CO2.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liquid_carbon_dioxide

It's difficult to get a pressure of 5.1 atmospheres in an open jug.

As usual, Dan has missed the point.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

No one mentioned an open jug. You just did not read what was written.

Dan

 

[Phil Allison]

bitrex wrote:

--------------

Yes, those fires down there are terrible !

I hope they contain them soon. I mean, I like warm wether and all but
it's getting rediculous now.

Good point that he might be fighting fires




** The gents that do that job live in rural ( therefor fire prone) areas and are mostly much younger and rather fitter than myself.

They all refuse to accept any payment, the motivation behind which is an interesting topic for another forum.



Some kind of Australian courtship ritual? "Paid" in antipodal women
dropping their bloomers?

** Now, now, I did not actually say that .....


...... Phil