Driver to drive?

On 11/8/19 6:45 PM, bitrex wrote:
On 11/8/19 4:44 PM, piglet wrote:
On 08/11/2019 2:01 am, Phil Allison wrote:
On Friday, November 8, 2019 at 12:57:25 PM UTC+11, bitrex wrote:
On 11/7/19 8:34 PM, Phil Allison wrote:

Hi to all my loyal followers,

-----------------------------

The term "bounce" is applied when an item that has been recently
repaired is brought back for a similar or repeat failure.

Mostly it's a false alarm, a new problem or just once in a while
the same failure involving the new parts. This is the worst
scenario and for me very rare.

One that comes to mind was a MusicMan hybrid guitar amp - the RD50.
The circuit is all solid state except for a pair of 6L6GC tubes for
output.

https://www.thetubestore.com/lib/thetubestore/schematics/MusicMan/Musicman-RD50A-Schematic.pdf


One came to me with the input op-amp ( IC1) having it's output
stuck to a DC rail. Fitted a new TL072 and away it went, good as
new. Unusual failure, but shit happens sometimes.

It was back in a week with the new IC blown, just like before.

Another TL072 fixed it again, but I smelt a big fat rat.

Since the op-amp interfaced with the external world of musicians
and their assorted paraphernalia - it must had failed due to abuse,
twice.

But what exactly ?  To stop the nonsense, I fitted 1N4148 diodes
from pin 3 to each rail as a precaution. Walter C. Jung's "IC
Op-Amp Cookbook " gave support for fact that such inputs were
vulnerable.

The customer was not happy, he insisted on speaking with me and was
very aggressive. I had understood he was a school teacher but it
turned out he was in fact a *Taekwando*  instructor !!

He expected the new repair to be covered by warranty, but I was not
budging.

He insisted that guitar amps were built very tough to take all
sorts of abuse.

I assured him he was mistaken: "I make my living because that's not
true" - I stated firmly.

After extracting a few details from him, it all became clear.

Any guess what seemingly innocent act he had performed done, twice ?


--------------------

Question 2:

The same amp has a shameful design problem with the output stage.

Wilful stupidity.

Bet nobody gets it.





He was running line-level signal from a mixer into the input, had the
line out from the amp connected to the same mixer, and accidentally
routed the output directly to the input


** Very devious thinking there.

The actual scenario is quite simple and what many musos do all the time.

Guitarists that is ...


..... Phil





Do guitarists test the amp is working by touching the plug tip to get
a mains hum/buzz from the amp - that invites static discharge?

piglet


Usually we test to see if the amp is working by plugging the guitar in,
turning the volume up and seeing if it makes sound

Generally by playing stairway to heaven as the test case
 
On 11/8/19 4:44 PM, piglet wrote:
On 08/11/2019 2:01 am, Phil Allison wrote:
On Friday, November 8, 2019 at 12:57:25 PM UTC+11, bitrex wrote:
On 11/7/19 8:34 PM, Phil Allison wrote:

Hi to all my loyal followers,

-----------------------------

The term "bounce" is applied when an item that has been recently
repaired is brought back for a similar or repeat failure.

Mostly it's a false alarm, a new problem or just once in a while the
same failure involving the new parts. This is the worst scenario and
for me very rare.

One that comes to mind was a MusicMan hybrid guitar amp - the RD50.
The circuit is all solid state except for a pair of 6L6GC tubes for
output.

https://www.thetubestore.com/lib/thetubestore/schematics/MusicMan/Musicman-RD50A-Schematic.pdf


One came to me with the input op-amp ( IC1) having it's output stuck
to a DC rail. Fitted a new TL072 and away it went, good as new.
Unusual failure, but shit happens sometimes.

It was back in a week with the new IC blown, just like before.

Another TL072 fixed it again, but I smelt a big fat rat.

Since the op-amp interfaced with the external world of musicians and
their assorted paraphernalia - it must had failed due to abuse, twice.

But what exactly ?  To stop the nonsense, I fitted 1N4148 diodes
from pin 3 to each rail as a precaution. Walter C. Jung's "IC Op-Amp
Cookbook " gave support for fact that such inputs were vulnerable.

The customer was not happy, he insisted on speaking with me and was
very aggressive. I had understood he was a school teacher but it
turned out he was in fact a *Taekwando*  instructor !!

He expected the new repair to be covered by warranty, but I was not
budging.

He insisted that guitar amps were built very tough to take all sorts
of abuse.

I assured him he was mistaken: "I make my living because that's not
true" - I stated firmly.

After extracting a few details from him, it all became clear.

Any guess what seemingly innocent act he had performed done, twice ?


--------------------

Question 2:

The same amp has a shameful design problem with the output stage.

Wilful stupidity.

Bet nobody gets it.





He was running line-level signal from a mixer into the input, had the
line out from the amp connected to the same mixer, and accidentally
routed the output directly to the input


** Very devious thinking there.

The actual scenario is quite simple and what many musos do all the time.

Guitarists that is ...


..... Phil





Do guitarists test the amp is working by touching the plug tip to get a
mains hum/buzz from the amp - that invites static discharge?

piglet

Usually we test to see if the amp is working by plugging the guitar in,
turning the volume up and seeing if it makes sound
 
Lasse Langwadt Christensen wrote:

-------------------------------------


isn't typical instrument cable something like <100pF/m


** Nope. That would be RF co-ax.



so this list is all outliers?

http://www.shootoutguitarcables.com/guitar-cables-explained/capacitance-chart.html

** There are no guitar cables on that list.

Guitarist buy ready made, 5m &r 7m leads in packets from retail stores.

Most of them from China.

Not 100m reels of expensive cable that exists only on maker's web pages.

You tedious wog wanker.



..... Phil
 
On Wednesday, November 6, 2019 at 6:41:36 PM UTC-5, TheExperimenter wrote:.
Next tests were one me.  Now keep in mind before you shout, if you are
in a country where they are illegal, then don't read the post and
certainly don't reply.  If I get any heat from this report, you go
into the kill file immediately so I won't see any further posts.
Where I am in the US, they are LEGAL.

I first adjusted the spark gap for maximum distance, then tested
myself in six different spots: right arm, stomach, upper leg, side,
foot, and finally shoulder.  Each spot was energized with electrodes
pressed against the skin for 2-4 seconds (there's no way this thing is
going to penetrate through most clothing, by the way).  It took four
tries before I even began to feel much other than a tingle.  Finally,
pain increased a bit in arm and shoulder.  If I were to scale it, I
would say 5/10 at most.  Would it have stopped me from attacking
someone who used it one me?  No.

I don't know what all the fuss was about.  It's clear that these are
being falsely marketed from the start and giving people a false sense
of security.  I'd be more concerned over this then my irrelevant
request for substitute parts.  Now, that being said, keep in mind that
I am 6' 1" tall and 215 lbs and healthy.  You still wouldn't want to
use this on the elderly or anyone with heart issues or a pacemaker,
nor is everyone else going to respond to the shocks the way I did.
However, after the apparent rukus I made with my prior post, I felt it
was time to see just how much relevancy there was behind it.  Now it
should be clear.  Bye.

Well there ya go !! feel better now?

It just goes to show irrelevancy at its finest and how easy it often is
to defeat.

Skin resistance can vary from person to person.

When i was a freshman at college I participated in a psych study. It involved getting shocked when a certain sized object was shown and measuring skin resistance when other objects were shown.

Anyway the researcher set the variable transformer to a low voltage connected my arm to the transformer and applied power. Asked me if I felt a shock. I did not feel anything. So he raised the voltage and asked again. And] kept repeating until I felt a mild tickle. He tried to go thru his test, but the skin resistance kept drifting up and researcher got concerned at how high the voltage had to be to get a little response. Apparently my skin resistance was 5 or more times higher than his previous subjects.

Dan
 
TheExperimenter <theexp8712@noaol.net> wrote:

There is so much false advertising coming out of Chinese made
products that it is next to impossible to determine what is legitimate
and what isn't.

There is also much false advertising coming out of China that has been
OBVIOUS for years. Unfortunately nothing has been done about it.
 
Chris wrote:

It wasn't a Technics branded amp but neither was it one of the budget
brands.
It wasn't of European manufacture (I'm pretty sure it was Japanese).
It was the standard "separates" size of the late eighties/early nineties
and I owned one briefly 16 years ago so it can't be any later than 2003
and probably much earlier.
It had an all black finish.
It was only 60W per channel but punched above its weight in this respect
and produced _the_ most outstanding sound quality.
It was massively heavy on one side so must have had a _very_ substantial
transformer for such a relatively low power amp.

** Might it be a Proton AM30 or similar ??

https://archiwum.allegro.pl/oferta/integrated-amplifier-proton-am-30-2x80w-better-nad-i7105457465.html

Lotsa weight on LH side, 80wpc, all black, simple, very good specs and almost a top name brand.



...... Phil
 
Martin Riddle wrote:

---------------------
Crown had made some low THD amps back in the 80's

** Yeah: DC300As, D150 IIs, D75s, Microtechs, Macrotechs, PAS2 self analysing amps, M600s and others.

Saw a few of them across my bench, mostly PSA2s

The later Crown K1 and K2 class D amps get my vote however.

Totally sealed case, no fan and hard to tell they were class D by external testing. Exceptionally reliable.



..... Phil




I had a summer gig at Picker, that used them to test position
transducers.

Cheers
 
On 11/12/19 7:03 PM, Klaus Kragelund wrote:
Can you link to a description of your system?

Sure. At first I constructed this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=034F2JKX1Rs

Then modified the fan in the cover to include a non-functional one to
contain activated charcoal like this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFSoNxbCb-c

The only other change was that I taped on a 5 foot piece of aluminum
dryer duct to make the unit more versatile. It will pull in smoke out
to about 6" and I can just move the ducting near the circuit avoiding
having to have the entire unit within range. Be sure the ducting is
sealed up against the plastic container. Aluminum tape worked fine.

Good luck! I should have built one of these years ago.
 
On Saturday, November 9, 2019 at 4:51:35 AM UTC-5, Chris wrote:
Hi all,

Without venturing into 'stupid money territory' the best quality audio by
far I've ever heard came from one particular solid state stereo amplifier
I'd be interested in re-acquainting myself with. Unfortunately I can't
recall the make or model number which is obviously a big barrier to the
desired reunion.

Carver?
TEAC?
Onkyo?

Ring any bells...?
 
On Wed, 13 Nov 2019 18:37:49 -0800, mpm wrote:

Carver?
TEAC?
Onkyo?

Ring any bells...?

None of them. The only one that does is JVC - but I've never really
considered them seriously as hi-fi amp manufacturers. Maybe I've
misjudged them.
 
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On 1/1/20 7:14 PM, bitrex wrote:
On 1/1/20 6:45 PM, jlarkin highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Wed, 1 Jan 2020 15:30:26 -0800 (PST), omnilobe gmail.com wrote:

On Wednesday, January 1, 2020 at 1:07:07 PM UTC-10, Robert Baer wrote:
Hmmm . . . . Food for Thought

ś˙ś˙ś˙ Snow, Traffic Jams and Electric Cars - has anyone thought about it?
ś˙ś˙ś˙ If all cars were electric ... and were caught up in a three hour
traffic jam?
ś˙ś˙ś˙ With dead batteries - then what?
ś˙ś˙ś˙ Not to mention, that there is virtually no heating in an electric
vehicle.
ś˙ś˙ś˙ And if you get stuck on the road all night, no battery, no
heating !
ś˙ś˙ś˙ You can try calling 911 to bring women and children to safety!
ś˙ś˙ś˙ But they can not even come to help you since all roads are
blocked !
ś˙ś˙ś˙ And when the roads become cleared, no one can move!
ś˙ś˙ś˙ How do you charge the thousands of cars from the traffic jam?
ś˙ś˙ś˙ Same problem during summer vacation departures with miles of
traffic
jams.
ś˙ś˙ś˙ This will make cars run out of ?fuel? and cause never ending
traffic
jams.
ś˙ś˙ś˙ But that will never happen, right ?

The battery exchange is a way to avoid all those problems. Each electric
car has 4 batteries that are extracted at the fuel depot. Delivery
trucks
and drones deliver fresh batteries. Identification of batteries tracks
wearing out status, and debits. Only 1 batter is used at a time, so 3
are
fresh until exchanged at the gas station.
cells.

And if all cars can fly, we avoid the traffic jams.



Battery-powered copter that could seat 5 with a flight time of 1
hour/150 mile range would need a pack energy density of about 350Wh/kg,
densities aren't there yet but it's a ten-years-away thing


With four rotors, mission-continue on one rotor out and immediate-land
capability with two rotors out, sounds pretty safe too
 
> Folks have had success using a car battery for spot welding...Use the
starter solenoid and a push button and heavy copper lugs for the welding
points.

You can also use battery packs itself to spot weld additional one. Start with some spring mounted cells, than build it up.

I am testing my 2 Kw 18650 packs on my Leaf now. Went a little farter than before. Paid $6 for 8 KWh rip-off at Delano Evgo. 5 miles from the next town. Sitting outside a farm for level 1. The guy is nice enough to let me charge; so, I don't need to set up my solar charger.
 
On 2020/01/05 2:34 p.m., edward.ming.lee@gmail.com wrote:
Folks have had success using a car battery for spot welding...Use the
starter solenoid and a push button and heavy copper lugs for the welding
points.

You can also use battery packs itself to spot weld additional one. Start with some spring mounted cells, than build it up.

I am testing my 2 Kw 18650 packs on my Leaf now. Went a little farter

Gas powered, eh?

(sorry, couldn't resist).

John ;-#)#
 
On 2020-01-05 14:38, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Sun, 5 Jan 2020 10:54:03 -0800 (PST), whit3rd <whit3rd@gmail.com
wrote:

On Saturday, January 4, 2020 at 12:51:36 PM UTC-8, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Sat, 4 Jan 2020 14:26:00 -0500, Phil Hobbs
pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:

On 2020-01-04 14:05, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

I was thinking that if the gate drive to my phemt diff pair is
symmetric, namely from a very fast differential ECL source, why not
bypass the source node to ground?

You'll lose balance on the output though--

I was thinking that if it oscillates, adding the caps is another
possible fix.

wouldn't a bead on the emitters' current source be just as effective? If you're feeding
a high-level differential signal, it'll just damp a little of the common-mode
response without having much effect otherwise. You're driving the
differential mode, THAT shouldn't need any small tweaks.

I plan for a bead in series with the common tail-current sink (a fast
NPN), and resistors or beads in each gate. I just hate it when things
oscillate, so the emitter caps might be a useful option.
It's always worthwhile to put in a bit of belt-and-suspenders when doing
that sort of thing. That way it looks like we knew what we were doing.
;)

I use a fair number of zero-ohm jumpers for that. They also help during
bringup, especially the ones in series with the supplies.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

--
Dr Philip C D Hobbs
Principal Consultant
ElectroOptical Innovations LLC / Hobbs ElectroOptics
Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics
Briarcliff Manor NY 10510

http://electrooptical.net
http://hobbs-eo.com
 
Folks have had success using a car battery for spot welding...Use the
starter solenoid and a push button and heavy copper lugs for the welding
points.

You can also use battery packs itself to spot weld additional one. Start with some spring mounted cells, than build it up.

I am testing my 2 Kw 18650 packs on my Leaf now. Went a little farter

Gas powered, eh?

Sorry, no gas, went further than before.
 
On 2020-01-05 12:37, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Sun, 5 Jan 2020 11:33:41 +0100, Gerhard Hoffmann <dk4xp@arcor.de
wrote:

Am 03.01.20 um 20:50 schrieb John Larkin:



MMIC Zin is usually around 30 ohms at lowish frequency,
IIRC.


I measured GAV-63+ at about 90! And that goes up if I AC short
the output.

Sounds fishy. Maybe I should measure it different ways.

Here's a TDR/TDT of the GVA-63.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/cqdgynqisi6mlza/GVA-63_TDR_2.jpg?raw=1

The slow slope on the TDR is the DC block cap into the MMIC. I
can't account for the slow slope on the TDT, lower trace.

Looks like Zin is about 75 ohms. It goes up radically as device
current goes down below 60 mA. That suggests some serious
nonlinearities with a resistive bias source.

I did not have a GVA-63 here, only its grandpa, an ERA-2SM. So on
this rainy Saturday, I did paint a wideband amplifier, printed it
to foil, etched the board (with some other test structures) drilled
the vias to GND 0.3mm, soldered the GND connections with wrapping
wire and populated the board.


https://www.flickr.com/photos/137684711@N07/49332583887/in/album-72157662535945536/



is the circuit, next picture to the right is the layout, and then
the board.

Sorry for the soldering, these cell phone macro photos are so
unforgiving. Probably it's a good thing that they don't let me
solder space flight boards, I must call the qualified solder ladies
for every change. :)

Next picture is mag_db(S21), aka gain in blue and the input
impedance in Ohms (red). It seems that in the left half of the
plot, where the ERA2sm still works, the input impedance wiggles
around 50 Ohms. The network analyzer calculates Zin from the
measured S11.

The next picture is S11, and every curl is a resonance. It is more
than probable that the ERA-2 is not the guilty party, apart of its
input capacitance. As short as the input microstrip is, just
holding the hand over it without touching has visible influence.


The last picture is the Agilent 54754A TDR. The outer side of the
board's SMA barrel is exactly in the middle of the screen. The
ringing just left of the middle is the port saver.

The strip lines have been calculated for 0.8 mm FR4, but I only had
0.5mm thin FR4 left over, so the line impedance will be somewhat
low. A 200 mV step may be a little bit too much for a chip with
gain that lives on 3.5V.

Have a nice Sunday, Gerhard


Nice work. Your S11 and TDR are inconsistent with what I'm seeing on
the GVA part.

I woke up at 3AM [1] with a revelation, which may actually be true.
There are two common MMIC types around:

1) One of them is the classic Darlington, like ERA-x. It needs a
resistor from Vcc to the output pin to set the operating current. My
experience is that they behave as expected, with the low-frequency
response limited by the external coupling caps. Your TDR does
suggest a Zin below 50 ohms.

2) The newer type, like the GVA-63, includes some sort of current
regulating circuit, which allows a hard DC supply to be applied to
the output pin through an inductor. I conjecture that this current
regulator is slow, so it affects the low frequency gain and
impedances. That aligns with Phil's observation that MMICS have bad
low-frequency gain, which I thought strange because I hadn't seen
that before.

I didn't know about the built-in regulator--all the MMICs in my drawer
are the older kind that need a resistor. It's mostly the internal
matching, if any, that screws me up.

It also explains my weird TDR and impedance measurements, ditto not
seen on ERA-type parts.


Some MMICS are rated for operation from "DC to xxx GHz" and some
from maybe "10 MHz to xxx GHz" which suggests the slow regulator
inside. This idea is complicated by the very loose way the microwave
people use the term "DC", which in one case that I know of, is only
valid above 100 MHz.

So I need to be careful to use the old kind in truly wideband
circuits. We have some old-style Darlington SOT89 MMICs on the way.
Luckily, my PCB layout looks OK, if I just use the right MMIC, so
we'll go ahead and fab some boards.

I want Spice models!


[1] I know other people who also occasionally wake up around 3AM
with new ideas. Or just get hungry.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs


--
Dr Philip C D Hobbs
Principal Consultant
ElectroOptical Innovations LLC / Hobbs ElectroOptics
Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics
Briarcliff Manor NY 10510

http://electrooptical.net
http://hobbs-eo.com
 
On Sunday, January 5, 2020 at 5:22:11 PM UTC-5, John Doe wrote:
omnilobe@gmail.com wrote:

Robert Baer wrote:

Snow, Traffic Jams and Electric Cars - has anyone thought about
it? If all cars were electric ... and were caught up in a three
hour traffic jam? With dead batteries - then what?

The battery exchange is a way to avoid all those problems. Each
electric car has 4 batteries that are extracted at the fuel depot.
Delivery trucks and drones deliver fresh batteries. Identification
of batteries tracks wearing out status, and debits. Only 1 batter
is used at a time, so 3 are fresh until exchanged at the gas
station. cells.

That is very logical and likely. Swapping batteries is the way it's
been done for practically everything except the cheep Chinese slave
labor made stuff dumped on us recently. Easy to imagine that as part
of electric vehicle evolution, at some point in time.

Charging stations for individual vehicles will be a thing of the
past. One post that quickly exchanges your battery for a fresh
battery. And then there is the evolution of battery technology
itself.

Just the opposite. A number of companies have considered battery swapping and all have given up. It is not an inherently fast operation even if it is faster than charging. It requires significant manual labor, even if just helping you get your car in position and is fraught with issues. Tesla had a pilot program as recently as 2016, but has been permanently closed.

The idea of changing out 1 of 4 batteries is pointless and offers no real benefit, just much more frequent stops.

People really do make a big deal out of the charging when it is just not such a big deal. Most people park at home all night with the car plugged in. The leave in the morning with a nearly full tank of electrons and return at home plugging in the car again for another charge. Later, rinse, repeat and they never even need to look at the gauge or stop at another gas station again... unless they really want crappy food in a smelly location.

--

Rick C.

++-+ Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
++-+ Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209
 
On 2020-01-05 13:54, whit3rd wrote:
On Saturday, January 4, 2020 at 12:51:36 PM UTC-8, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Sat, 4 Jan 2020 14:26:00 -0500, Phil Hobbs
pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:

On 2020-01-04 14:05, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

I was thinking that if the gate drive to my phemt diff pair is
symmetric, namely from a very fast differential ECL source, why not
bypass the source node to ground?

You'll lose balance on the output though--

I was thinking that if it oscillates, adding the caps is another
possible fix.

wouldn't a bead on the emitters' current source be just as effective? If you're feeding
a high-level differential signal, it'll just damp a little of the common-mode
response without having much effect otherwise. You're driving the
differential mode, THAT shouldn't need any small tweaks.

Depends on the mechanism. Being able to control the phase of the
coupling between the two transistors could turn out super useful.

I have some of those nice BLM15BA0050SN1 beads on order--check out the
Z(f) curve here:
<https://www.murata.com/en-us/products/productdetail?partno=BLM15BA050SN1%23>

They're still pretty reactive up to ~700 MHz, but they're awesome above
that.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

--
Dr Philip C D Hobbs
Principal Consultant
ElectroOptical Innovations LLC / Hobbs ElectroOptics
Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics
Briarcliff Manor NY 10510

http://electrooptical.net
http://hobbs-eo.com
 
On Monday, January 6, 2020 at 5:02:09 AM UTC+11, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Sun, 5 Jan 2020 06:54:39 -0800 (PST), Bill Sloman
bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote:

Nobody in their right mind would take your advice seriously. It's there to be jeered at, and I'm happy to do the jeering. You deserve it.

There are several dozen people alive and well today who would
otherwise be dead thanks to them acting on my advice.

NT makes the same kind of claim. Every now and again a health guru goes to prison because somebody dies after taking their advice rather than going to somebody with proper medical training.

Giving people advice when you don't know what you are talking about is a dangerous habit - anything beyond "you should talk about that with the your doctor" is decidedly unwise.

> What have YOU got to show for the time you have spent helping others? (which I'm guessing is precisely nil).

Absolutely nothing, which follows the New Testament advice (Matthew 6.1) not that I expect to be rewarded in Heaven, since I don't think that there is one.
I don't make a habit of seeking out other people to help, but I do help other people from time to time, and don't make a fuss about it.

Your guess about how I might spend my time is a malicious speculation, and not the first you've come up with. You do come across as a nasty piece of work.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
 

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