Driver to drive?

[rickman]

On 3/21/2017 12:24 PM, amdx wrote:

On 3/21/2017 9:28 AM, dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com wrote:
On Tuesday, March 21, 2017 at 8:27:51 AM UTC-4, amdx wrote:
On 3/21/2017 2:19 AM, dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com wrote:
On Monday, March 20, 2017 at 9:49:55 PM UTC-4, dagmarg...@yahoo.com
wrote:
On Monday, March 20, 2017 at 6:15:37 PM UTC-4, amdx wrote:

Can I tell this is working if my 1X gain increases?
The 17 to 1 divider of the input cap and the gate capacitance and
the 17
times gain of the amplifier equals 1X.

Say I get 80% T1 gate cancellation (by moving the 20Meg), now we have
effectively 1pf.
1pf/0.3pf = 3.33 and the amp gain 17 / 3.33 = 5.1
So I would think my total circuit gain would increase to 5.1.
Or do I not get it?

You've got it perfectly. I don't expect a very large improvement from
bootstrapping the 20M alone though--a resistor's capacitance is pretty
low already, and two in series, even lower.

Your author's figures are inconsistent. He starts saying the input
capacitance is 1.4pF and the input coupling cap is 0.3pF, but then he
says the 0.3pF and FET T1's capacitances form a 17:1 divider. That
can't
all be true--0.3pF should form a 5.7:1 divider with a 1.4pF input, not
17:1.

When I guesstimate a 5x improvement, I'm banking on the 17:1 being
true,
c.in(eff) being 5pF, and getting that down to 1pF, roughly, with the
circuit I sketched.

If you're already really at 1.4pF the improvement will only be
1.0pF/1.4pF,
and not 1.0pF/5pF.

As I said before, a better buffer could do better--you could tweak the
bootstrap to perfect null--but then chances are you'd have an
oscillator.

What I posted seemed like a reasonable compromise for a first try.

I thought about this a bit and came up with an improved follower.

The main limitation of the previous circuit was the FET's poor
performance
as a voltage-follower. Unaided, the T1 has a gain of about 0.6.
That hits
our bootstrapping from all sides. First, c(gs) (the largest
capacitance)
is only bootstrapped by 60%, leaving 40% of the BC547C's ~5pF c(gs).
Next,
we use that voltage to drive our less-than-unity Q2, which drives
less-than-
unity Q1. This all adds up.

Changing T1's load to a current sink makes T1 into a much better
follower,
increasing voltage gain from 0.6 to about 0.95. The better 'follower'
action now bootstraps away nearly all of c(gs) (T1's largest
capacitance),
and gives us a better signal to drive the drain bootstrap as well.
Good,
good, and good. And not terribly much trouble to do, either.

Vdd Vdd
-+- -+-
| |
| [22k] R5
Q1 \| |
BC547B |---+-------.
.<| | |
| [47k] R6 |
(shield) T1 |--' | |
------ BF256C | === |
----------+----->|--. |
---+-- | | Vdd --- C2
| | | -+- ---100n
| | | | |
| R1 [10M] | |/ Q2 |
| | +---| BC547B |
| | | |>. |
| | R3 [470] | |
| | | | | C3
| | | | | 100n
| +----||---+-----+-------+-----||---> to ampl.
| | C1 | |
| R2 [10M] 100pF R4 [470] --- C4
| | | --- 100n
| === === |
| |
'------------------------------+
|
Cin ~200fF [2.2k] R7
|
===

Cheers,
James Arthur

Thanks for the time.
As it is now constructed the enclosure is the shield.
Is that good or bad? ie. Should the enclosure be isolated from the
shield?

The enclosure should be grounded! Let's not confuse that with
bootstrapping the input coax's shield (which you'll only do _if_
you use coax).

So yes, the enclosure should be isolated from the driven shield that is
shown in the schematic.


OK, so I ground the enclosure to (battery) ground and use an isolated
input connector. I have some isolated BNC connectors that will work great.

If the design is sensitive to external noise, it might be useful to use
triaxial cable with the inner shield driven as a guard and the outer
shield grounded to the case.

With the input impedance this circuit has I don't see how it wouldn't be
sensitive to noise. But with such a short run of wire I suppose noise
is not much of an issue.

(My shield-driver is pretty wimpy, only suitable for a very short, low-
capacitance run. Might need beefing up.)


My plan is to build this into a setup that has my highest Q tuning cap
and sitting just below the cap. So a short run. Hope to rectify* and
drive a voltmeter with some type of attenuator.
*Maybe even a peak detector.

--

Rick C

 

[John Devereux]

"Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> writes:

wrote in message news:shs0dcht0u1ueng46n19keljm5j7ienvpl@4ax.com...

On Mon, 20 Mar 2017 20:59:26 -0000, "Kevin Aylward"
kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> wrote:

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On Sun, 19 Mar 2017 09:16:29 -0000, "Kevin Aylward"
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"Kevin Aylward" wrote in message
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"bitrex" wrote in message news:9DdzA.62942$mb5.42260@fx19.iad...


I'm a liberal and yet, in some circumstances I do support the death
penalty.

I don't see that there can be much more of a cold-bloodied, calculated
murder, than having 12 people calmly sit on seats debating the merits of
killing someone over several days, with a state sponsored judge exposing
all sorts of "rational" arguments as to how it is ethically justifiable to
execute said person being debated. Said person is then dragged to a room
with gawking onlookers watching the deliberate injection of chemicals to
terminate said life. This is no less barbaric than at a Roman gladiator
ring
where the emperor points his thump up or down.

What is even more grotesque, is that large numbers of those barbarians
supporting state sponsored murder are alleged Christians, despite their
role
model, Jesus, emphatically instructing them that "thou shall not kill".
More, stunningly the xtians claim that it is they that there the morally
righteous ones.

The perp gave up his right to life by taking that of another. End of
story.

Ok. After the Jury, judge and executioners have killed the aforementioned,
we can now kill said Jury, judge and executioners because they have now
killed someone, or taken deliberate action that resulted in the death of
someone. i.e. murdered someone.

It's obvious you're illiterate.

Its obvious that you can't understand the issues involved.

You have been brought up as a child that, if say, a judge, or the
legal system that you just happen to live in says its ok, than it
is. I don't.

It is obviously way beyond you to understand that there is no
essential difference in one group with the biggest stick agreeing to
kill someone, then another.

I wonder if the juries in death penalty cases are not automatically
skewed? Surely jury selection will tend to eliminate those who oppose
the death penalty, since there is an excellent chance they would nullify
the verdict. The remaining death-penalty-approving jurors would then
tend toward the hang-em-high, let god sort them out, looks guilty to me
outlook...

Conversely a juror strongly opposed to the death penalty could get
through selection and then refuse to convict a guilty perp.

Either way it does not seem good for justice.


--

John Devereux

 

[piglet]

On 21/03/2017 10:33, Tauno Voipio wrote:

In the same sense, we can say that the Oxner FET switch
ring uses the reversing switch principle of the selenium
rectifier rings of telephony SSB channels years before
any FETs.

Fascinating, thanks Tauno, I didn't know Selenium was fast enough for
anything much above power line frequency, what about copper oxide?

piglet

 

[piglet]

On 21/03/2017 13:42, Phil Hobbs wrote:

The two-transformer ring DBM is also a thing of beauty, but I don't know
who invented it. I think that it's a pity that in electronics we
usually don't attach people's names to stuff the way it's done in
science. Gilbert cells, Oxner mixers, Brokaw bandgaps, Widlar
practically everythings, Eccles-Jordan flipflops, Johnson noise, Nyquist
frequency....bring 'em on.

It helps maintain the ethos of the field, I think, and encourages people
that you don't have to walk on water or be 200 years old to have a
circuit named after you.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

Hail the Hobbs Bootstrap!

There is the Graetz-Pollak diode bridge but that is what we know as the
full wave bridge rectifier.

The Ring modulator DBM is due to Cowan-Keith.

piglet

 

[Kevin Aylward]

"Jim Thompson" wrote in message
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On Tue, 14 Mar 2017 18:58:32 -0700, Jim Thompson
<To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote:

"Procedure" tomorrow (Wednesday) at 11:00AM:

Down the throat with a scope, check out the stomach, then into the
small intestine, use side-looking ultrasound on the end of the probe
(didn't know such a thing existed) to examine the common pancreas/bile
duct, go up it with a wire, then thread a balloon up that wire,
inflate and decimate the stones, then go on up and examine the gall
bladder.

Possible later procedure, after the nauseous, tiredness, yellowness
abates, go in thru an incision and remove the gall bladder.

Such fun >:-}

If I don't show up in a day or too...

...Jim Thompson

Well the docs tried to kill me, but I survived a very unpleasant trip.

They put a stent in my bile duct, but in recovery they discovered my
kidneys couldn't cope, and went into failure

So a one-day outpatient "procedure" ended up being a nasty 6-day
battle with helping the kidneys to recover.

I know where you're coming from, and I do wish you all the best. Truly enjoy
your life whilst you can. My older brother died on Sunday. He was 62.

-- Kevin Aylward
http://www.anasoft.co.uk - SuperSpice
http://www.kevinaylward.co.uk/ee/index.html

 

[Lasse Langwadt Christense]

Den onsdag den 22. marts 2017 kl. 00.16.00 UTC+1 skrev rickman:

On 3/19/2017 6:31 PM, Lasse Langwadt Christensen wrote:
Den søndag den 19. marts 2017 kl. 23.21.48 UTC+1 skrev rickman:
On 3/19/2017 5:36 PM, John Robertson wrote:
On 2017/03/18 8:50 PM, rickman wrote:
On 3/18/2017 9:34 PM, tabbypurr@gmail.com wrote:
On Sunday, 19 March 2017 00:51:19 UTC, rickman wrote:


I'm not sure it is very
relevant that someone could be found innocent after spending 20
years in
prison if that is such a heinous punishment.

Why don't you ask the people released after 20 years whether it's
relevant.

Know any?

The point is that it is *very* few individuals. We carelessly kill more
people in highway accidents every day than we mistakenly kill death row
inmates in a decade. I would bet that motor vehicle deaths due to
governmental errors, like the sharp curve sign that points the wrong
way, are more common than innocent convicts being killed. It just
doesn't get the same press.

Then there are the convicts killed while in prison because we
can't/don't provide adequate security. How egregious is it for a person
who was never even sentenced to death being killed because of simply
being in prison?

Yes, it is terrible that an innocent person is convicted and put to
death. But in reality it is no different from being run over by a truck
with failed brakes or being shot unintentionally by criminals or police
during a shootout or dying from the wrong treatment in a hospital or
many, many other ways of dying. Not saying we shouldn't do all we can..
I'm just saying it isn't the biggest problem we have.


you are basically arguing that involuntary manslaughter and premeditated
murder is the same thing?

I think what I wrote is pretty clear. I don't have any idea how you got
that equivalence from it.

you were speaking as if unintentionally causing someones death by placing
a wrong sign etc. is som how comparable to intentionally killing someone

 

[Kevin Aylward]

"John Devereux" wrote in message news:87a88eebzg.fsf@devereux.me.uk...

"Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> writes:

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On Mon, 20 Mar 2017 20:59:26 -0000, "Kevin Aylward"
kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> wrote:

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On Sun, 19 Mar 2017 09:16:29 -0000, "Kevin Aylward"
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"Kevin Aylward" wrote in message
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"bitrex" wrote in message news:9DdzA.62942$mb5.42260@fx19.iad...


I'm a liberal and yet, in some circumstances I do support the death
penalty.

I don't see that there can be much more of a cold-bloodied, calculated
murder, than having 12 people calmly sit on seats debating the merits of
killing someone over several days, with a state sponsored judge exposing
all sorts of "rational" arguments as to how it is ethically justifiable
to
execute said person being debated. Said person is then dragged to a room
with gawking onlookers watching the deliberate injection of chemicals to
terminate said life. This is no less barbaric than at a Roman gladiator
ring
where the emperor points his thump up or down.

What is even more grotesque, is that large numbers of those barbarians
supporting state sponsored murder are alleged Christians, despite their
role
model, Jesus, emphatically instructing them that "thou shall not kill".
More, stunningly the xtians claim that it is they that there the morally
righteous ones.

The perp gave up his right to life by taking that of another. End of
story.

Ok. After the Jury, judge and executioners have killed the
aforementioned,
we can now kill said Jury, judge and executioners because they have now
killed someone, or taken deliberate action that resulted in the death of
someone. i.e. murdered someone.

It's obvious you're illiterate.

Its obvious that you can't understand the issues involved.

You have been brought up as a child that, if say, a judge, or the
legal system that you just happen to live in says its ok, than it
is. I don't.

It is obviously way beyond you to understand that there is no
essential difference in one group with the biggest stick agreeing to
kill someone, then another.

I wonder if the juries in death penalty cases are not automatically
skewed? Surely jury selection will tend to eliminate those who oppose
the death penalty, since there is an excellent chance they would nullify
the verdict. The remaining death-penalty-approving jurors would then
tend toward the hang-em-high, let god sort them out, looks guilty to me
outlook...

I agree.

Conversely a juror strongly opposed to the death penalty could get
through selection and then refuse to convict a guilty perp.

I was actually trying to highlight here when the Jury is deciding whether or
not to execute, assuming the determination of guilt has already been made.

The ethical issues are way different for the Jury deciding to kill someone,
rather than just determining their guilt.

Support for the death penalty is clearly eroding in the US. I take the view
that there is only one single factor as to why the death penalty in the US
has not been eliminated. My opinion is this:

State legislators make their determination as to whether or not to support
or oppose the death penalty based solely on their estimation of whether or
not they will gain or lose election votes on the matter.

So, in what universe is it ethical to kill someone based on a politician's
election votes?

Noting that one idea in the US Bill of Rights is protection of the minority
from the tyranny of a 51% majority.

-- Kevin Aylward
http://www.anasoft.co.uk - SuperSpice
http://www.kevinaylward.co.uk/ee/index.html

 

[Julian Barnes]

On Tue, 21 Mar 2017 12:37:16 -0400, bitrex wrote:

> Who else would tell me my circuits were junk?

Yeah, just like your political theroeis LOL!!! :->

 

[Tauno Voipio]

On 21.3.17 20:39, piglet wrote:

On 21/03/2017 10:33, Tauno Voipio wrote:
In the same sense, we can say that the Oxner FET switch
ring uses the reversing switch principle of the selenium
rectifier rings of telephony SSB channels years before
any FETs.


Fascinating, thanks Tauno, I didn't know Selenium was fast enough for
anything much above power line frequency, what about copper oxide?

piglet

They used both. AFAIK, the technique was developed in
the Bell Labs in the 1930's.

--

-TV

 

[Kevin Aylward]

"Cursitor Doom" wrote in message newsaruc8$b5u$4@dont-email.me...

On Mon, 20 Mar 2017 20:23:37 -0400, krw wrote:

It's obvious you're illiterate.

no point in reading further

I feel I should at this point apologise for the remarks made by my fellow
countryman, Kev. He and the poster "tabbypurr" are both singularly ill-
informed on this issue. Their ignorance is only matched by their
indefatigable ability to repeat the same dogma over and over and over
again. You will never win an argument against them; they simply won't
listen to reason. Do yourself a big favour and mark the thread "ignore"
in your newsreader. You'll save yourself from a huge amount of wasted
time.

I appreciate the support.

I did find the word "illiterate" somewhat amusing in as much as that it is
typically the "intellectuals" that present the reasoned arguments on ethical
issues rather than the redneck southerners.



-- Kevin Aylward
http://www.anasoft.co.uk - SuperSpice
http://www.kevinaylward.co.uk/ee/index.html

 

[bitrex]

On 03/21/2017 03:24 PM, Cursitor Doom wrote:

On Mon, 20 Mar 2017 18:08:35 -0700, Jim Thompson wrote:

Well the docs tried to kill me, but I survived a very unpleasant trip.

They put a stent in my bile duct, but in recovery they discovered my
kidneys couldn't cope, and went into failure

So a one-day outpatient "procedure" ended up being a nasty 6-day battle
with helping the kidneys to recover.

Thanks to all for your good wishes!

Welcome back, Jim! The Lefties were getting a bit of a free run in your
absence, spreading their old, discredited nonsense around. ;-

I'm sorry, I can't hear you...Obama is in my telephone again. Darn it
Obama, I told you this was my private line!

 

On Wednesday, March 22, 2017 at 6:22:34 AM UTC+11, Cursitor Doom wrote:

On Mon, 20 Mar 2017 20:23:37 -0400, krw wrote:

It's obvious you're illiterate.

no point in reading further

I feel I should at this point apologise for the remarks made by my fellow
countryman, Kev. He and the poster "tabbypurr" are both singularly ill-
informed on this issue. Their ignorance is only matched by their
indefatigable ability to repeat the same dogma over and over and over
again. You will never win an argument against them; they simply won't
listen to reason. Do yourself a big favour and mark the thread "ignore"
in your newsreader. You'll save yourself from a huge amount of wasted
time.

Cursitor Doom is even more ill-informed on most issues, and even more prone to promote dogma that he doesn't remotely comprehend. Kill-filing him will save you from at least as much nonsense as kill-filing Kevin Aylward, but where Kevin does have useful - in fact very well-informed - opinions on some subjects of electronic interest (his Super Spice really work, and works well) Cursitor Doom is a compete waste of space.

--
Bill Sloman, sydney

 

On Wednesday, March 22, 2017 at 6:27:42 AM UTC+11, Cursitor Doom wrote:

On Mon, 20 Mar 2017 18:08:35 -0700, Jim Thompson wrote:

Well the docs tried to kill me, but I survived a very unpleasant trip.

They put a stent in my bile duct, but in recovery they discovered my
kidneys couldn't cope, and went into failure

So a one-day outpatient "procedure" ended up being a nasty 6-day battle
with helping the kidneys to recover.

Thanks to all for your good wishes!

Welcome back, Jim! The Lefties were getting a bit of a free run in your
absence, spreading their old, discredited nonsense around. ;-

Jim-out-of-touch-with-reality-Thompson has his own discredited nonsense to spread around, some of which lines up with Cursitor Doom's discredited nonsense.

The right-wing lunatics do take up a lot of space around here, but none of them is remotely capable of discrediting any kind of rational argument (not that they can recognise rational argument when they see it, let alone when they have been trounced by it).

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[rickman]

On 3/19/2017 6:31 PM, Lasse Langwadt Christensen wrote:

Den søndag den 19. marts 2017 kl. 23.21.48 UTC+1 skrev rickman:
On 3/19/2017 5:36 PM, John Robertson wrote:
On 2017/03/18 8:50 PM, rickman wrote:
On 3/18/2017 9:34 PM, tabbypurr@gmail.com wrote:
On Sunday, 19 March 2017 00:51:19 UTC, rickman wrote:


I'm not sure it is very
relevant that someone could be found innocent after spending 20
years in
prison if that is such a heinous punishment.

Why don't you ask the people released after 20 years whether it's
relevant.

Know any?

The point is that it is *very* few individuals. We carelessly kill more
people in highway accidents every day than we mistakenly kill death row
inmates in a decade. I would bet that motor vehicle deaths due to
governmental errors, like the sharp curve sign that points the wrong
way, are more common than innocent convicts being killed. It just
doesn't get the same press.

Then there are the convicts killed while in prison because we
can't/don't provide adequate security. How egregious is it for a person
who was never even sentenced to death being killed because of simply
being in prison?

Yes, it is terrible that an innocent person is convicted and put to
death. But in reality it is no different from being run over by a truck
with failed brakes or being shot unintentionally by criminals or police
during a shootout or dying from the wrong treatment in a hospital or
many, many other ways of dying. Not saying we shouldn't do all we can.
I'm just saying it isn't the biggest problem we have.


you are basically arguing that involuntary manslaughter and premeditated
murder is the same thing?

I think what I wrote is pretty clear. I don't have any idea how you got
that equivalence from it.

--

Rick C

 

[rickman]

On 3/19/2017 10:22 PM, tabbypurr@gmail.com wrote:

On Sunday, 19 March 2017 23:54:09 UTC, k...@notreal.com wrote:
On Sun, 19 Mar 2017 09:16:29 -0000, "Kevin Aylward"
kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> wrote:
"Kevin Aylward" wrote in message
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"bitrex" wrote in message news:9DdzA.62942$mb5.42260@fx19.iad...


I'm a liberal and yet, in some circumstances I do support the death
penalty.

I don't see that there can be much more of a cold-bloodied, calculated
murder, than having 12 people calmly sit on seats debating the merits of
killing someone over several days, with a state sponsored judge exposing
all sorts of "rational" arguments as to how it is ethically justifiable to
execute said person being debated. Said person is then dragged to a room
with gawking onlookers watching the deliberate injection of chemicals to
terminate said life. This is no less barbaric than at a Roman gladiator ring
where the emperor points his thump up or down.

What is even more grotesque, is that large numbers of those barbarians
supporting state sponsored murder are alleged Christians, despite their role
model, Jesus, emphatically instructing them that "thou shall not kill".
More, stunningly the xtians claim that it is they that there the morally
righteous ones.

The perp gave up his right to life by taking that of another. End of
story.

Now there's simplistic.

I wonder if the same rule applies to the executioner?

--

Rick C

 

[bitrex]

On 03/19/2017 01:23 PM, Cursitor Doom wrote:

On Sun, 19 Mar 2017 09:07:05 -0700, tabbypurr wrote:

People make a mockery of reason too often. Maybe you should spend some
time watching groups of people making such decisions.

I don't agree with you and probably never will, but - in what must be a
Usenet first - I can at least see where you're coming from here.

One might argue that in a society which is intrinsically just, the
chances are good that the death penalty will be used, in the main, for
just reasons.

If a society is unjust in the fashion that reason is consistently made a
mockery of, then even if the death penalty is "illegal" it hardly
matters, they'll simply find punishments which are worse than death.

 

[bitrex]

On 03/21/2017 07:22 PM, bitrex wrote:

On 03/19/2017 01:23 PM, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Sun, 19 Mar 2017 09:07:05 -0700, tabbypurr wrote:

People make a mockery of reason too often. Maybe you should spend some
time watching groups of people making such decisions.

I don't agree with you and probably never will, but - in what must be a
Usenet first - I can at least see where you're coming from here.


One might argue that in a society which is intrinsically just, the
chances are good that the death penalty will be used, in the main, for
just reasons.

If a society is unjust in the fashion that reason is consistently made a
mockery of, then even if the death penalty is "illegal" it hardly
matters, they'll simply find punishments which are worse than death.

That is to say, obsessing over its legality or illegality is fretting
the symptoms, not the disease.

 

[rickman]

On 3/20/2017 9:08 PM, Jim Thompson wrote:

On Tue, 14 Mar 2017 18:58:32 -0700, Jim Thompson
To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote:

"Procedure" tomorrow (Wednesday) at 11:00AM:

Down the throat with a scope, check out the stomach, then into the
small intestine, use side-looking ultrasound on the end of the probe
(didn't know such a thing existed) to examine the common pancreas/bile
duct, go up it with a wire, then thread a balloon up that wire,
inflate and decimate the stones, then go on up and examine the gall
bladder.

Possible later procedure, after the nauseous, tiredness, yellowness
abates, go in thru an incision and remove the gall bladder.

Such fun >:-}

If I don't show up in a day or too...

...Jim Thompson

Well the docs tried to kill me, but I survived a very unpleasant trip.

They put a stent in my bile duct, but in recovery they discovered my
kidneys couldn't cope, and went into failure

So a one-day outpatient "procedure" ended up being a nasty 6-day
battle with helping the kidneys to recover.

Thanks to all for your good wishes!

Glad you are doing better. Did they give you any idea why installing a
stent in your bile duct would impact the kidneys? Was it just a
response to the surgery or the anesthesia?

--

Rick C

 

[rickman]

On 3/21/2017 7:27 PM, Lasse Langwadt Christensen wrote:

Den onsdag den 22. marts 2017 kl. 00.16.00 UTC+1 skrev rickman:
On 3/19/2017 6:31 PM, Lasse Langwadt Christensen wrote:
Den søndag den 19. marts 2017 kl. 23.21.48 UTC+1 skrev rickman:
On 3/19/2017 5:36 PM, John Robertson wrote:
On 2017/03/18 8:50 PM, rickman wrote:
On 3/18/2017 9:34 PM, tabbypurr@gmail.com wrote:
On Sunday, 19 March 2017 00:51:19 UTC, rickman wrote:


I'm not sure it is very
relevant that someone could be found innocent after spending 20
years in
prison if that is such a heinous punishment.

Why don't you ask the people released after 20 years whether it's
relevant.

Know any?

The point is that it is *very* few individuals. We carelessly kill more
people in highway accidents every day than we mistakenly kill death row
inmates in a decade. I would bet that motor vehicle deaths due to
governmental errors, like the sharp curve sign that points the wrong
way, are more common than innocent convicts being killed. It just
doesn't get the same press.

Then there are the convicts killed while in prison because we
can't/don't provide adequate security. How egregious is it for a person
who was never even sentenced to death being killed because of simply
being in prison?

Yes, it is terrible that an innocent person is convicted and put to
death. But in reality it is no different from being run over by a truck
with failed brakes or being shot unintentionally by criminals or police
during a shootout or dying from the wrong treatment in a hospital or
many, many other ways of dying. Not saying we shouldn't do all we can..
I'm just saying it isn't the biggest problem we have.


you are basically arguing that involuntary manslaughter and premeditated
murder is the same thing?

I think what I wrote is pretty clear. I don't have any idea how you got
that equivalence from it.


you were speaking as if unintentionally causing someones death by placing
a wrong sign etc. is som how comparable to intentionally killing someone

I was comparing the issue of the state making a mistake in executing an
innocent person compared to the many other ways we unintentionally kill
people. I think if you again read what I wrote you will see this clearly.

This is an emotional issue because we want to believe our legal system
is just and accurate. It is neither. But in general it works better
than many of our systems including ones that are also life and death.

I'm not saying we shouldn't try our hardest to prevent innocent
punishments (this goes much further than just executions). Just the
opposite. I'm also not saying we should never execute anyone or should
not halt executions. I'm just saying that this issue should be
considered in the context of the rest of our lives.

--

Rick C

 

On Tue, 21 Mar 2017 17:08:35 -0400, bitrex
<bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> wrote:

On 03/21/2017 03:24 PM, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Mon, 20 Mar 2017 18:08:35 -0700, Jim Thompson wrote:

Well the docs tried to kill me, but I survived a very unpleasant trip.

They put a stent in my bile duct, but in recovery they discovered my
kidneys couldn't cope, and went into failure

So a one-day outpatient "procedure" ended up being a nasty 6-day battle
with helping the kidneys to recover.

Thanks to all for your good wishes!

Welcome back, Jim! The Lefties were getting a bit of a free run in your
absence, spreading their old, discredited nonsense around. ;-


I'm sorry, I can't hear you...Obama is in my telephone again. Darn it
Obama, I told you this was my private line!

Don't lie to us! We all know all you have is the party line.