Driver to drive?

[John Larkin]

On Mon, 22 Sep 2014 11:24:44 -0400, JW <none@dev.null> wrote:

On Sun, 21 Sep 2014 11:41:18 -0700 (PDT) bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com
wrote in Message id:
639784e6-441f-4efc-b44c-ce334004757e@googlegroups.com>:

On Sunday, September 21, 2014 1:59:24 PM UTC-4, Phil Hobbs wrote:


Phil Hobbs <-- ass-kissing p.o.s.

What you need is a team of mental health professionals to keep you away
from your computer long enough to stop embarrassing yourself on usenet.

But I won't be holding my breath.

What he needs is more exercize, or some lithium, or a sailboat trip to
Hawaii, something to swing his attitude in a positive direction.


--

John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc

jlarkin att highlandtechnology dott com
http://www.highlandtechnology.com

 

>"I don't see how that is constitutional. Separation of powers... "

What's a Constitution ?

Since we're off topic in an off topic thread anyway, I might as well go into this.

There is something called the emergenct war powers act. This country has been in a state of emergency since 1933, which effectively suspends the Constitution. Three Presidents have declared a state of emergency, and none of these declarations have been revoked.

i ran with a crowd who knowws how to handle the courts and I larned alot about law from them. At times there wer tutors whowere retired law professors, and I betcha they know more than Barack Obama about the Constitution.

Why bother since it is null and void ? Because they do not want you to know it is null and void. Thus, the way to get a court to uphold your "Constitutional" rights is the threat of exposure. I know a guy who got caught with a bunch of pot plants, a highly sophisticated hydroponic setup and a few other things. I helped set up the climate control. He got busted when he sold a bag to a (unbeknownst to him) disgruntled former employee of his masonry business. The guy was out to get him, so he had the ,marked money and all that good shit, short of wearing a wire but they really don't have to do that in this type of case.

Anyway he did wind up sitting in the joint for a little while, but he got off on appeal, representing himself pro se. So these people do know what they're doing.

We've learned alot. We've learned it is all a money game. When you have evidence that can exonerate you and you think the judge will disallow it, which they do in jury trials alot bcause SOME people know about jusy nullification and some realiz reasonable doubt, if you have filed the affidavits etc. with the clerk of courts prior to the tiral, they have alot harder time disallowing it because it is a matter of public record and can be grounds for an appeal. Getting overturned by a higher court is a bad thing for a judge.. Even the granting an appeal is a bad thing for a judge. It is like a quarterback throwing an interception, times about a thousand.

Plus, the transcripts of most cases can be had, so going public can be even worse. Remember they want you to THINK you actually have rights. Sometimes they get beat down so bad in court they will mark a case "not to be citd or quoted" which means it is pretty much secret. In Cnaada it is calld "in camera" which really makes no sense, but they used that to deport Ernst Zundel, and even though you might hate his views, he never hurt anyone.

The common law people, which is what I call them, they challenge jurisdiction, asserting that the ask if it is a court of equity or a court of admiralty or what and all this, and the court MUST respond or drop it. Jurisdiction is not determined solely by lines on a map.

then, if they do establish jurisdiction, and you still beat their case into the ground, and they hush it up, if nobody can quote it or cite it, then they cannot put you in jail nor can they enforce any civil judgement against you.

The above is to illustrate that when the courts rule on Constitutional gronds, they are only doing it to cover up the state of emergency, which peole would have questioned. A groundswell of public pressure to end the state of emergency could arise, and if the President does that, it reduces his power considerable, especially when it comes to executive orders.

There is a wiki article on this, but it is not exhaustive.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Senate_Report_93-549

No one source knows it all. These people studied for decades, hired law tutors retired from Harvard, Cornell (which is probably a better school actually) and a few others. I've sat in on their meetings and took alot of their literature.

They also know how to get the IRS off your back permanently. the guy whohad the grow room and the masonry company ? He has been classified as a non taxpayer for about twenty years now and was making over a quarter million a year. The process withthe IRS is very involved, and there are some things you cnanever do again, mostly signing certain things. It is NOT worth doing unlss you make alot of money. If you don't make over $150,000 a year forget it. And every piece of paperwork must be absolutely perfect.

There is a cost. For exa,ple, he went to get a permit in this one municipality and they required that he sign that he would report income of his employees to get the permit. Hehad to refuse because it would blow his legal status. He told the customer the only way his company could do the job is if he got a homeowner's permit.

Thinkhe is a slimeball ? Well at least his money is not going to use drones to wie out half a village halfway across the world to get to one guy, in fact the SONN of a dead terorist. his money is not going to support Al Qaeda rebels in Syria, Assad was ELECTED. Call it fraud but look at the elections here !

I fully support non-taxpayerss because I know what these taxes go for. I took a different approach and just eliminated the paper trail.

They get nothing. They do absloutely nothing I want done and everytghng I do not want done. If you think I am a slimevball because if it oh well, but my money isnot going for wars for oil. Or now, the pipeline wars. All this shit in the middle east is about pipelines now. Even the shit in Ukraine is all for miney. the US financed those first rebels who put Yankovitch(sp) out. Now Rusisa is funding other rebels to put him back in. He was also ELECTED. Ukraine is about something else though, food and perhaps biofuel. Unfortunately, Monsanto just contracted with the US puppet there and is going to ruin the best land on that continent with their roundup and shit. Damn shame.

And it isn't voter fraud, it is the selection of candidates just like here. Most people in the US do not vote FOR anyone, they vote AGAINST the other one.

And remember, it is NEVER about human rights, or anything of the sort. Ever.. Ifit was we would not have deposed the lawfully elected Mosadeq in 1952, which is what CAUSED the Iranian problem in 1979. If it was about human rights we would not have PUT Saddam ?Hussein in power i Iraq, pnly to hav him fially wake up to the fact that oil companies were fucing him over, even after the deal with Kuwait crossdrilling and the international community tellinghim that ttacking Kuwait was okey dokey. there wuld have been no Pinochet. Shah. Iatolla.

Your tax dollars (or those of your Parents) paid for all that shit. What's more, rewad about the exploits of Major General Smedley Butler, who did all this shit in South America around 1900 or so. He wrote a little piece called "War Is A Racket", I highly recommend it. the shit in South America is why Mexicans have real sugar in their coca Cola and we get HFCS, which makes people fat.

There really is too fucking much I wish I didn't know.

 

[Tom Gardner]

On 22/09/14 16:27, John Larkin wrote:

On Mon, 22 Sep 2014 11:24:44 -0400, JW <none@dev.null> wrote:

On Sun, 21 Sep 2014 11:41:18 -0700 (PDT) bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com
wrote in Message id:
639784e6-441f-4efc-b44c-ce334004757e@googlegroups.com>:

On Sunday, September 21, 2014 1:59:24 PM UTC-4, Phil Hobbs wrote:


Phil Hobbs <-- ass-kissing p.o.s.

What you need is a team of mental health professionals to keep you away
from your computer long enough to stop embarrassing yourself on usenet.

But I won't be holding my breath.

What he needs is more exercize, or some lithium, or a sailboat trip to
Hawaii, something to swing his attitude in a positive direction.

Or simply being ignored for a while, probably until his
attention has dwindled and switched elsewhere.

Same is true for a few others on this group.

 

[whit3rd]

On Wednesday, September 17, 2014 7:36:34 PM UTC-7, mpm wrote:

I have (x,y,z) data...
The (x,y) is somewhat regularly spaced already, but I want to resample this data so that the (x,y) values "snap" to a grid of my choosing. I don't mind interpolating the values where necessary, and I realize there are several methods to accomplish that.

I've written such programs, it's just a matter of finding a suitable interpolation
scheme (cubic splines is one good scheme, another is Tchebyshev polynomials
which has extrapolation advantages). The problem is, you want to include many
points near your target, when you do that interpolation, and that means
you have to define 'near'. Then, you have to select the close-by ones.
The identification of the active patch in your data set, different in general
for each target point, is the hairy part.

It's simplest to use bi-linear interpolation, but that won't ever notice curvature
that puts a peak (or dip) at the target region.

Fancier curvilinear interpolation starts with a least-squares fit to a cubic or
quartic surface.

I've even heard of folk doing a Fourier transform on irregular-grid input data,
then inverting FFT-style to get data on a regular grid.

 

derivations for klystron and magnatrons

 

nice information and thanx

 

On Monday, July 21, 2014 10:04:24 AM UTC+1, jrwal...@gmail.com wrote:

On Monday, 25 November 1996 08:00:00 UTC, Thomas Pappano wrote:

Magnetrons are a specialized diode that operates in the influence of
a magnetic field and usually have integral resonant circuitry that
defines the frequency band they run in. They
are used in pulsed applications such as
pulse radar and also in continuous wave applications like microwave
ovens.

Every microwave oven I have looked at (with an antenna and diode detector) is pulsed. I think each pulse lasts around 100us with a repetition rate of 100Hz (in the UK) at full power.

I didnt know that

> In low-power modes the pulse repetition rate is reduced but the peak power is unchanged.

Surely that is not the case. Almost 100% of nukes periodically switch magnetron power on and off to achieve lower mean cooking power. This would not cause the above to happen.

The frequency is unstable, so as the turntable rotates with a slightly asymmetric load the frequency drifts up and down (within the ISM band)
John

I thought the frequency was determined by the physical dimensions of the thing. The anode does run red hot, so dimensions will change slightly but surely not much, and presumably not up & down.


NT

 

On Friday, 26 September 2014 14:59:34 UTC+1, meow...@care2.com wrote:

I thought the frequency was determined by the physical dimensions of the thing. The anode does run red hot, so dimensions will change slightly but surely not much, and presumably not up & down.

The load has an effect on the frequency. As the turntable rotates the loading on the magnetron changes (unless the food is perfectly symmetric) and the frequency drifts up and down in synchronism with the turntable rotation. This is real - it shows very clearly on a spectrum analyzer. However, the drift is not (quite) large enough to take the frequency outside the ISM band. It is enough to nmake it hard for other devices to avoid it.

John

 

On Friday, September 26, 2014 3:25:40 PM UTC+1, Robert Macy wrote:

On Fri, 26 Sep 2014 06:59:34 -0700, <meow2222@care2.com> wrote:
On Monday, July 21, 2014 10:04:24 AM UTC+1, jrwal...@gmail.com wrote:
On Monday, 25 November 1996 08:00:00 UTC, Thomas Pappano wrote:

Magnetrons are a specialized diode that operates in the influence of
a magnetic field and usually have integral resonant circuitry that
defines the frequency band they run in. They
are used in pulsed applications such as
pulse radar and also in continuous wave applications like microwave
ovens.

Every microwave oven I have looked at (with an antenna and diode
detector) is pulsed. I think each pulse lasts around 100us with a
repetition rate of 100Hz (in the UK) at full power.

I didnt know that

In low-power modes the pulse repetition rate is reduced but the peak
power is unchanged.

Surely that is not the case. Almost 100% of nukes periodically switch
magnetron power on and off to achieve lower mean cooking power. This
would not cause the above to happen.

The frequency is unstable, so as the turntable rotates with a slightly
asymmetric load the frequency drifts up and down (within the ISM band)
John

I thought the frequency was determined by the physical dimensions of the
thing. The anode does run red hot, so dimensions will change slightly
but surely not much, and presumably not up & down.

say what?! here i the US the microwave ovens I've seen have a single peak
rectifier diode that when you get near that peak the thing starts
operating near 2.5GHZ and simply 'smears' around until the voltage drops
too low. Completely half-wave 60 cycle AC mains related spikes.

that's quite different to jrwal's take on things. I cant think of any reason why the power pulses would be 100uS apiece. Its a thermionic doide at the end of the day, with magnetically corkscrewed electron path.


NT

If you sit up in the hills with an antenna and a spectrum analyzer you can
see three distinct phasings of microwave energy surging up at lunch and
dinner times!

 

[RobertMacy]

On Fri, 26 Sep 2014 06:59:34 -0700, <meow2222@care2.com> wrote:

On Monday, July 21, 2014 10:04:24 AM UTC+1, jrwal...@gmail.com wrote:
On Monday, 25 November 1996 08:00:00 UTC, Thomas Pappano wrote:

Magnetrons are a specialized diode that operates in the influence of
a magnetic field and usually have integral resonant circuitry that
defines the frequency band they run in. They
are used in pulsed applications such as
pulse radar and also in continuous wave applications like microwave
ovens.

Every microwave oven I have looked at (with an antenna and diode
detector) is pulsed. I think each pulse lasts around 100us with a
repetition rate of 100Hz (in the UK) at full power.

I didnt know that

In low-power modes the pulse repetition rate is reduced but the peak
power is unchanged.

Surely that is not the case. Almost 100% of nukes periodically switch
magnetron power on and off to achieve lower mean cooking power. This
would not cause the above to happen.

The frequency is unstable, so as the turntable rotates with a slightly
asymmetric load the frequency drifts up and down (within the ISM band)
John

I thought the frequency was determined by the physical dimensions of the
thing. The anode does run red hot, so dimensions will change slightly
but surely not much, and presumably not up & down.


NT

say what?! here i the US the microwave ovens I've seen have a single peak
rectifier diode that when you get near that peak the thing starts
operating near 2.5GHZ and simply 'smears' around until the voltage drops
too low. Completely half-wave 60 cycle AC mains related spikes.

If you sit up in the hills with an antenna and a spectrum analyzer you can
see three distinct phasings of microwave energy surging up at lunch and
dinner times!

 

[artie]

In article <21c83d7f-03d0-48e9-bc7c-e7152a0918fa@googlegroups.com>,
<jrwalliker@gmail.com> wrote:

On Friday, 26 September 2014 14:59:34 UTC+1, meow...@care2.com wrote:

I thought the frequency was determined by the physical dimensions of the
thing. The anode does run red hot, so dimensions will change slightly but
surely not much, and presumably not up & down.

The load has an effect on the frequency. As the turntable rotates the
loading on the magnetron changes (unless the food is perfectly symmetric) and
the frequency drifts up and down in synchronism with the turntable rotation.
This is real - it shows very clearly on a spectrum analyzer. However, the
drift is not (quite) large enough to take the frequency outside the ISM band.
It is enough to nmake it hard for other devices to avoid it.

John

Many Wifi vendors (Cisco and Aruba for example) have the capability to
identify interfering signals in the 2.4 GHz band, and microwave ovens
are a big culprit. The idea in these WiFi systems is to identify the
culprit and move traffic off the compromised channels. Microwave oven
spectrums are wobbly but identifiable.

Frequency varies with respect to anode voltage and load. Older
microwave ovens use half-wave rectified mains, so anode voltage varies,
and so does the oscillating frequency as the magnetron breaks into
oscillation, the frequency shifts as the voltage increases to its peak
in the (half) cycle, shifts with the load, and shifts again as the
anode voltage decreases with the half cycle until it drops out of
oscillation. As my Old Crow father-in-law said, clean and stable as a
tin whistle.

A number of years ago some microwave vendors switched from the bulky
transformer to switching supplies (they call them inverter ovens).
These run the magnetron on more stable DC, producing an operating
spectrum that's quite different from the older iron-core designs. More
parts, but much lighter, probably saving an incredible amount in
shipping. Marketed as more efficient as well.

 

[Phil Allison]

artie wrote:

> Older microwave ovens use half-wave rectified mains,

** That is not very well expressed.

The vast majority of Microwave ovens use a large, iron core step up transformer feeding a high voltage diode stack plus a high voltage film cap to produce the circa 4kV supply for the magnetron. The schem is a kind of full wave voltage doubler with the magnetron itself acting as one of the needed diodes.

Sure, the magnetron only conducts and generates microwave energy during alternate half cycles of the AC supply - however, the current drawn from the AC outlet is smooth and continuous over the whole cycle.

This is unlike most DC supplies from AC where current is drawn only during the voltage peaks.


.... Phil

 

[DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUn]

On Thu, 25 Sep 2014 04:59:58 +0300, Henry Crun <mike@rechtman.com> Gave
us:

FYI:
worth updating relevant Ub. versions. See:
http://www.ubuntu.com/usn/usn-2362-1/

to check whether you are vulnerable, enter:
env x='() { :;}; echo vulnerable' bash -c "echo this is a test"

(A new version of BASH came in this mornings update)

 

[RobertMacy]

On Fri, 26 Sep 2014 10:06:53 -0700, artie <artie.m@gnospammail.com> wrote:

...snip...
Many Wifi vendors (Cisco and Aruba for example) have the capability to
identify interfering signals in the 2.4 GHz band, and microwave ovens
are a big culprit. The idea in these WiFi systems is to identify the
culprit and move traffic off the compromised channels. Microwave oven
spectrums are wobbly but identifiable.

Frequency varies with respect to anode voltage and load. Older
microwave ovens use half-wave rectified mains, so anode voltage varies,
and so does the oscillating frequency as the magnetron breaks into
oscillation, the frequency shifts as the voltage increases to its peak
in the (half) cycle, shifts with the load, and shifts again as the
anode voltage decreases with the half cycle until it drops out of
oscillation. As my Old Crow father-in-law said, clean and stable as a
tin whistle.

A number of years ago some microwave vendors switched from the bulky
transformer to switching supplies (they call them inverter ovens).
These run the magnetron on more stable DC, producing an operating
spectrum that's quite different from the older iron-core designs. More
parts, but much lighter, probably saving an incredible amount in
shipping. Marketed as more efficient as well.

The old microwave ovens actually were turned off for at least half the AC
cycle, giving wifi time to get in there and do their thing. Even if you
had two ovens on different phasing, you still had some garranteed time
slot where both were off. But if you say the new ovens use aan AC/DC
converter and are operating 100% once turned on, then such a robust
transmitter can easily swamp the AGC of any cheap wifi receiver's front
end. With NO break in the oven's transmission how can a wireless signal
get through over that ISM band?

 

[Phil Hobbs]

On 9/26/2014 6:03 PM, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno wrote:

On Thu, 25 Sep 2014 04:59:58 +0300, Henry Crun <mike@rechtman.com> Gave
us:

FYI:
worth updating relevant Ub. versions. See:
http://www.ubuntu.com/usn/usn-2362-1/

to check whether you are vulnerable, enter:
env x='() { :;}; echo vulnerable' bash -c "echo this is a test"

(A new version of BASH came in this mornings update)

Yup. For both CentOS 6.5 and Cygwin. Not that I run any web servers
myself, of course....

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

--
Dr Philip C D Hobbs
Principal Consultant
ElectroOptical Innovations LLC
Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics

160 North State Road #203
Briarcliff Manor NY 10510

hobbs at electrooptical dot net
http://electrooptical.net

 

[Maynard A. Philbrook Jr.]

In article <op.xmth85pm2cx0wh@ajm>, robert.a.macy@gmail.com says...

On Fri, 26 Sep 2014 10:06:53 -0700, artie <artie.m@gnospammail.com> wrote:

...snip...
Many Wifi vendors (Cisco and Aruba for example) have the capability to
identify interfering signals in the 2.4 GHz band, and microwave ovens
are a big culprit. The idea in these WiFi systems is to identify the
culprit and move traffic off the compromised channels. Microwave oven
spectrums are wobbly but identifiable.

Frequency varies with respect to anode voltage and load. Older
microwave ovens use half-wave rectified mains, so anode voltage varies,
and so does the oscillating frequency as the magnetron breaks into
oscillation, the frequency shifts as the voltage increases to its peak
in the (half) cycle, shifts with the load, and shifts again as the
anode voltage decreases with the half cycle until it drops out of
oscillation. As my Old Crow father-in-law said, clean and stable as a
tin whistle.

A number of years ago some microwave vendors switched from the bulky
transformer to switching supplies (they call them inverter ovens).
These run the magnetron on more stable DC, producing an operating
spectrum that's quite different from the older iron-core designs. More
parts, but much lighter, probably saving an incredible amount in
shipping. Marketed as more efficient as well.

The old microwave ovens actually were turned off for at least half the AC
cycle, giving wifi time to get in there and do their thing. Even if you
had two ovens on different phasing, you still had some garranteed time
slot where both were off. But if you say the new ovens use aan AC/DC
converter and are operating 100% once turned on, then such a robust
transmitter can easily swamp the AGC of any cheap wifi receiver's front
end. With NO break in the oven's transmission how can a wireless signal
get through over that ISM band?

I would be a little concern if my nuker was overriding my Wifi that was
at least 3 feet or more away..

I have an inverter microwave so I don't know if that qualifies however,
I do know that my phone's Wifi works fine while I am standing there
waiting for my food no more than 3 feet away playing on the Inet.

Jamie

 

[Jasen Betts]

On 2014-09-26, meow2222@care2.com <meow2222@care2.com> wrote:

On Monday, July 21, 2014 10:04:24 AM UTC+1, jrwal...@gmail.com wrote:
In low-power modes the pulse repetition rate is reduced but the peak power is unchanged.

Surely that is not the case. Almost 100% of nukes periodically
switch magnetron power on and off to achieve lower mean cooking power.
This would not cause the above to happen.

switching from 500 pulses per 10 seconds to 200 pulses per 10 seconds
could be seen as a reduction in the repitition rate. But yeah, it's
it's doing 2 seconds on three seconds off.




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On Saturday, September 27, 2014 9:41:49 AM UTC+1, Tom Gardner wrote:

On 27/09/14 01:05, Maynard A. Philbrook Jr. wrote:

I would be a little concern if my nuker was overriding my Wifi that was
at least 3 feet or more away..

Last time I looked, which was when WLANs existed but 802.11x WLANs
did not, the received wisdom was that you could expect up to 1W of
leakage from an old poorly maintained microwave oven. Yup, 1000mW.
I've taught my daughter not to peer in at cooking food, since
that means her most sensitive part, the cornea, is too near the
door for comfort.

Pre-1980 nukes with missing carbon rubber door seals are rare.


NT

 

[Tom Gardner]

On 27/09/14 01:05, Maynard A. Philbrook Jr. wrote:

I would be a little concern if my nuker was overriding my Wifi that was
at least 3 feet or more away..

Last time I looked, which was when WLANs existed but 802.11x WLANs
did not, the received wisdom was that you could expect up to 1W of
leakage from an old poorly maintained microwave oven. Yup, 1000mW.

I've taught my daughter not to peer in at cooking food, since
that means her most sensitive part, the cornea, is too near the
door for comfort.

 

[josephkk]

On Fri, 26 Sep 2014 09:04:56 -0700 (PDT), meow2222@care2.com wrote:

On Friday, September 26, 2014 3:25:40 PM UTC+1, Robert Macy wrote:
On Fri, 26 Sep 2014 06:59:34 -0700, <meow2222@care2.com> wrote:
On Monday, July 21, 2014 10:04:24 AM UTC+1, jrwal...@gmail.com wrote:
On Monday, 25 November 1996 08:00:00 UTC, Thomas Pappano wrote:

Magnetrons are a specialized diode that operates in the influence of
a magnetic field and usually have integral resonant circuitry that
defines the frequency band they run in. They
are used in pulsed applications such as
pulse radar and also in continuous wave applications like microwave
ovens.

Every microwave oven I have looked at (with an antenna and diode
detector) is pulsed. I think each pulse lasts around 100us with a
repetition rate of 100Hz (in the UK) at full power.

I didnt know that

In low-power modes the pulse repetition rate is reduced but the peak
power is unchanged.

Surely that is not the case. Almost 100% of nukes periodically switch
magnetron power on and off to achieve lower mean cooking power. This
would not cause the above to happen.

The frequency is unstable, so as the turntable rotates with a slightly
asymmetric load the frequency drifts up and down (within the ISM band)
John

I thought the frequency was determined by the physical dimensions of the
thing. The anode does run red hot, so dimensions will change slightly
but surely not much, and presumably not up & down.

say what?! here i the US the microwave ovens I've seen have a single peak
rectifier diode that when you get near that peak the thing starts
operating near 2.5GHZ and simply 'smears' around until the voltage drops
too low. Completely half-wave 60 cycle AC mains related spikes.

that's quite different to jrwal's take on things. I cant think of any reason why the power pulses would be 100uS apiece. Its a thermionic doide at the end of the day, with magnetically corkscrewed electron path.


NT

If you sit up in the hills with an antenna and a spectrum analyzer you can
see three distinct phasings of microwave energy surging up at lunch and
dinner times!

Magnetrons are a bit thresholdy on cathode - anode voltage. If there
isn't enough, no rf out.

?-)