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On Wed, 30 Jul 2014 13:17:50 -0700 (PDT), dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com
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Including those who want to kill them.
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Including those who want to kill them.
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Jim Thompson
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On Wed, 30 Jul 2014 14:43:12 -0700, John Larkin
<jlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> wrote:
Absolutely. I have no problem with legal immigration... I do, after
all, have two Hispanic grandchildren.
The parents of my son-in-law were legal immigrants ~1950... so intent
on being American that the kids can't speak Spanish ;-)
My granddaughter had to take Spanish classes in high school and
college (UofA... graduated in May) to learn the language.
On the other side of the coin, my son Aaron is street fluent in both
Mexican-style Spanish and Brazilian Portuguese simply by assimilation
from working with them.
...Jim Thompson
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I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.
<jlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> wrote:
Absolutely. I have no problem with legal immigration... I do, after
all, have two Hispanic grandchildren.
The parents of my son-in-law were legal immigrants ~1950... so intent
on being American that the kids can't speak Spanish ;-)
My granddaughter had to take Spanish classes in high school and
college (UofA... graduated in May) to learn the language.
On the other side of the coin, my son Aaron is street fluent in both
Mexican-style Spanish and Brazilian Portuguese simply by assimilation
from working with them.
...Jim Thompson
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| Analog Innovations | et |
| Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus |
| San Tan Valley, AZ 85142 Skype: skypeanalog | |
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480)460-2350 Fax: Available upon request | Brass Rat || E-mail Icon at http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 |
I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.
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Michael A. Terrell
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"nuny@bid.nes" wrote:
Or are willing to wear a booby trap, like kids did in Vietnam?
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Anyone wanting to run for any political office in the US should have to
have a DD214, and a honorable discharge.
Or are willing to wear a booby trap, like kids did in Vietnam?
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Anyone wanting to run for any political office in the US should have to
have a DD214, and a honorable discharge.
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Robert Baer
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Robert Baer
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Bill Sloman
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On Thursday, 31 July 2014 16:22:01 UTC+10, Michael Terrell wrote:
Since few adults know how to make IEDs, as evidenced by the number of people blown up by their own bombs in the early stages of any insurrection (notably the provisional IRA in the UK, but US loonies haven't done too well either, until Darwinian selection has depleted the gene pool) the answer has to be "not very many at all".
> Or are willing to wear a booby trap, like kids did in Vietnam?
"Willing" implies that they knew what they were putting on. It's rather difficult to know this after the fact.
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Since few adults know how to make IEDs, as evidenced by the number of people blown up by their own bombs in the early stages of any insurrection (notably the provisional IRA in the UK, but US loonies haven't done too well either, until Darwinian selection has depleted the gene pool) the answer has to be "not very many at all".
> Or are willing to wear a booby trap, like kids did in Vietnam?
"Willing" implies that they knew what they were putting on. It's rather difficult to know this after the fact.
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Bill Sloman, Sydney
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On Thursday, July 31, 2014 3:57:19 AM UTC-4, Bill Sloman wrote:
<...>
Vast majority of these opinionated idiots are, not surprsingly, morons from hell. The U.S. has been fomenting mass murder in South America for decades and now it's coming back to bite them. Many of the henchmen of the drug cartels and the large gangs are U.S. trained murderers:
http://www.soaw.org/about-the-soawhinsec/what-is-the-soawhinsec
....and you better believe they know all about IEDs.
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Vast majority of these opinionated idiots are, not surprsingly, morons from hell. The U.S. has been fomenting mass murder in South America for decades and now it's coming back to bite them. Many of the henchmen of the drug cartels and the large gangs are U.S. trained murderers:
http://www.soaw.org/about-the-soawhinsec/what-is-the-soawhinsec
....and you better believe they know all about IEDs.
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Bill Sloman
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On Thursday, 31 July 2014 20:00:33 UTC+10, bloggs.fred...@gmail.com wrote:
Not a chance. They've got money and connections, and don't have to improvise their explosive devices - they just buy them for lots of money.
By the same token, they aren't going to be the kind of illegal immigrants being complained about here - if they do enter the country illegally, it will be to sort out drug distribution - mostly in a managerial role, though some might come in to supply a bit of specialised and expensive violence, with non-improvised tools.
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Bill Sloman, Sydney
Not a chance. They've got money and connections, and don't have to improvise their explosive devices - they just buy them for lots of money.
By the same token, they aren't going to be the kind of illegal immigrants being complained about here - if they do enter the country illegally, it will be to sort out drug distribution - mostly in a managerial role, though some might come in to supply a bit of specialised and expensive violence, with non-improvised tools.
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John Larkin
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On Wed, 30 Jul 2014 22:04:57 -0700, Robert Baer <robertbaer@localnet.com> wrote:
Yes. The "jobs that no American wants" are unwanted because the pay is so low,
and the pay is low because so many illegals are available to do them cheap.
So the better-paid Americans get cheap nannies and housecleaners and gardeners
and painters, and often cheap employees, which makes us better off, while
blue-collar workers struggle.
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www.highlandtechnology.com jlarkin at highlandtechnology dot com
Precision electronic instrumentation
Yes. The "jobs that no American wants" are unwanted because the pay is so low,
and the pay is low because so many illegals are available to do them cheap.
So the better-paid Americans get cheap nannies and housecleaners and gardeners
and painters, and often cheap employees, which makes us better off, while
blue-collar workers struggle.
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www.highlandtechnology.com jlarkin at highlandtechnology dot com
Precision electronic instrumentation
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On Thursday, July 31, 2014 10:02:53 AM UTC-4, Bill Sloman wrote:
They are creating the conditions making people flee to the U.S.
They are creating the conditions making people flee to the U.S.
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nuny@bid.nes
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On Thursday, July 31, 2014 12:57:19 AM UTC-7, Bill Sloman wrote:
About half of the time I perceive you to be fairly level-headed, the other half I perceive you to be living in a fantasy world.
The "early stages" of the current example of IED making in the Middle East are long over. Relatively ignorant (illiterate, at least) people have been making shaped-charge IEDs for a decade or so there, and the skill is quite popular among militant Islamists. It's very difficult to tell a militant one from your average Muslim (until they yell Allahu akbar! and blow something up), and as I said Islam is growing rapidly in rural South America due to the influx of Muslims there from the Middle East.
It is therefore reasonable that at least some South American Muslims are militants who have that skill, and that they have taught it to their children, and to their local converts (who have lived in crushing dissatisfaction with the status quo basically since the Spanish Conquest), and it is reasonable to posit that at least some of those "children" crossing into the U. S. could have that skill *and* the mindset to use it, considering that the most zealous tend to be those under thirty.
As I pointed out, most of the "children" under discussion are in their late teens. American teenagers are bad enough- they think they're immortal regardless of religion.
So, am I being paranoid, or just noticing a series of possibly unfortunate "coincidences"? We won't know until, or rather if, the "sleepers awake".
Mark L. Fergerson
About half of the time I perceive you to be fairly level-headed, the other half I perceive you to be living in a fantasy world.
The "early stages" of the current example of IED making in the Middle East are long over. Relatively ignorant (illiterate, at least) people have been making shaped-charge IEDs for a decade or so there, and the skill is quite popular among militant Islamists. It's very difficult to tell a militant one from your average Muslim (until they yell Allahu akbar! and blow something up), and as I said Islam is growing rapidly in rural South America due to the influx of Muslims there from the Middle East.
It is therefore reasonable that at least some South American Muslims are militants who have that skill, and that they have taught it to their children, and to their local converts (who have lived in crushing dissatisfaction with the status quo basically since the Spanish Conquest), and it is reasonable to posit that at least some of those "children" crossing into the U. S. could have that skill *and* the mindset to use it, considering that the most zealous tend to be those under thirty.
As I pointed out, most of the "children" under discussion are in their late teens. American teenagers are bad enough- they think they're immortal regardless of religion.
So, am I being paranoid, or just noticing a series of possibly unfortunate "coincidences"? We won't know until, or rather if, the "sleepers awake".
Mark L. Fergerson
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Robert Baer
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John Larkin wrote:
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Bill Sloman
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On Friday, 1 August 2014 05:32:29 UTC+10, nu...@bid.nes wrote:
Islam may be growing rapidly in rural South America, but the number of Muslims there would still fit under "not very many at all". The proportion of those Muslims who are militant enough to make IEDs can be expected to be much the same as the proportion of fundamentalist Christians who are militant enough to go in for armed insurrection, again "not very many at all".
> It is therefore reasonable that at least some South American Muslims are militants who have that skill, and that they have taught it to their children, and to their local converts (who have lived in crushing dissatisfaction with the status quo basically since the Spanish Conquest), and it is reasonable to posit that at least some of those "children" crossing into the U.. S. could have that skill *and* the mindset to use it, considering that the most zealous tend to be those under thirty.
It might be reasonable to claim that there might be one or two South American Muslims who have bomb-making skills, if you could point to a single example. I can't.
And my definition of "children" stops as about age twelve. Anybody older than that is an adolescent, and that adolescence ends at age 18. After that there are immature adults, and they can be any age. Jim Thompson is 70-something.
Your definition of "children" - including people up to the age of thirty - is idiosyncratic. Describing someone as a "willing" bomb-vest wearer usually depends on a what they said in a video recorded before the bomb vest went off.
Mike Terrells hypothetical bomb-vest wearing Vietnamese children didn't make any such videos if they existed at all - the technology to make that sort of video wasn't widely accessible at that time.
> So, am I being paranoid, or just noticing a series of possibly unfortunate "coincidences"? We won't know until, or rather if, the "sleepers awake"..
My money's on you being paranoid. And H.G. Wells' novel "The Sleeper Awakes" reflects a different kind of a paranoia, describing a high-inequality dystopia that looks like an exaggeration of contemporary American society.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Sleeper_Awakes
"Sleepers Wake!" by the Australian politician (and sometime quiz show winner) Barry Jones
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sleepers,_Wake!
is a much more recent and optimistic piece of work, and has been surprisingly popular and long-lived. I bought it when it was first published in 1982 - Barry was an acquaintance, back then - and was surprised twice, once by how good it was, and again a few years later, when I had no trouble buying a replacement copy.
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Islam may be growing rapidly in rural South America, but the number of Muslims there would still fit under "not very many at all". The proportion of those Muslims who are militant enough to make IEDs can be expected to be much the same as the proportion of fundamentalist Christians who are militant enough to go in for armed insurrection, again "not very many at all".
> It is therefore reasonable that at least some South American Muslims are militants who have that skill, and that they have taught it to their children, and to their local converts (who have lived in crushing dissatisfaction with the status quo basically since the Spanish Conquest), and it is reasonable to posit that at least some of those "children" crossing into the U.. S. could have that skill *and* the mindset to use it, considering that the most zealous tend to be those under thirty.
It might be reasonable to claim that there might be one or two South American Muslims who have bomb-making skills, if you could point to a single example. I can't.
And my definition of "children" stops as about age twelve. Anybody older than that is an adolescent, and that adolescence ends at age 18. After that there are immature adults, and they can be any age. Jim Thompson is 70-something.
Your definition of "children" - including people up to the age of thirty - is idiosyncratic. Describing someone as a "willing" bomb-vest wearer usually depends on a what they said in a video recorded before the bomb vest went off.
Mike Terrells hypothetical bomb-vest wearing Vietnamese children didn't make any such videos if they existed at all - the technology to make that sort of video wasn't widely accessible at that time.
> So, am I being paranoid, or just noticing a series of possibly unfortunate "coincidences"? We won't know until, or rather if, the "sleepers awake"..
My money's on you being paranoid. And H.G. Wells' novel "The Sleeper Awakes" reflects a different kind of a paranoia, describing a high-inequality dystopia that looks like an exaggeration of contemporary American society.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Sleeper_Awakes
"Sleepers Wake!" by the Australian politician (and sometime quiz show winner) Barry Jones
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sleepers,_Wake!
is a much more recent and optimistic piece of work, and has been surprisingly popular and long-lived. I bought it when it was first published in 1982 - Barry was an acquaintance, back then - and was surprised twice, once by how good it was, and again a few years later, when I had no trouble buying a replacement copy.
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Tom Biasi
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On 7/30/2014 6:32 PM, John Larkin wrote:
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Phil Hobbs
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On 7/30/2014 6:32 PM, John Larkin wrote:
cards renewed. The USCIS is a lot like the DMV, except scarier.
Cheers
Phil Hobbs
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ElectroOptical Innovations LLC
Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics
160 North State Road #203
Briarcliff Manor NY 10510
hobbs at electrooptical dot net
http://electrooptical.net
Maureen and I just got back from being fingerprinted to get our green
cards renewed. The USCIS is a lot like the DMV, except scarier.
Cheers
Phil Hobbs
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Principal Consultant
ElectroOptical Innovations LLC
Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics
160 North State Road #203
Briarcliff Manor NY 10510
hobbs at electrooptical dot net
http://electrooptical.net
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John Larkin
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On Thu, 31 Jul 2014 16:16:17 -0400, Tom Biasi <tombiasi@optonline.net>
wrote:
Humans do come in two sorts, male and female. My wife is a speech
pathologist, a profession that is literally 99% female. Electronic
circuit designers are, I'd guess, 99% male. Don't know why.
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Humans do come in two sorts, male and female. My wife is a speech
pathologist, a profession that is literally 99% female. Electronic
circuit designers are, I'd guess, 99% male. Don't know why.
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jlarkin att highlandtechnology dott com
http://www.highlandtechnology.com
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Tom Biasi
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On 7/31/2014 6:11 PM, John Larkin wrote:
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On Thu, 31 Jul 2014 03:16:28 -0700, John Larkin
<jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:
http://townhall.com/political-cartoons/2014/07/30/121243
<jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:
http://townhall.com/political-cartoons/2014/07/30/121243
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Bill Sloman
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On Friday, 1 August 2014 11:10:53 UTC+10, Jim Thompson wrote:
Don't feed the Thompson either? Sadly, I can't resist commenting on his comic misconceptions.
> An upside to this whole "conversation"... the IED people are testing their devices is Slowman's neighborhood >:-}
Jim-out-of-touch-with-reality-Thompson is in fine ignorant form. There are no reports of improvised explosive devices in Sydney, or Australia generally.
The right-wing nitwit federal government is frothing at the mouth about Australian Islamic militants who have gone off to fight for their factions in Syria, being frightened that those who survive may come back and exercise their terrorist skills in Australia. The fact that the rather more numerous Australian military who went of to keep the peace in Afghanistan and Irak came back with a much better grasp of improvised explosive technology seems to have escaped them, as does the example of Timothy McVeigh
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timothy_McVeigh
which would suggest that native-born gun nuts pose a rather greater risk. Gun-nuts have shot a few people in Australia over the years - Australia does have gun control laws, but clearly not enough of them. Political terrorists haven't been as much of problem - unless you include the Australian politicians who love to frighten the population about improbable risks.
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Bill Sloman, Sydney
Don't feed the Thompson either? Sadly, I can't resist commenting on his comic misconceptions.
> An upside to this whole "conversation"... the IED people are testing their devices is Slowman's neighborhood >:-}
Jim-out-of-touch-with-reality-Thompson is in fine ignorant form. There are no reports of improvised explosive devices in Sydney, or Australia generally.
The right-wing nitwit federal government is frothing at the mouth about Australian Islamic militants who have gone off to fight for their factions in Syria, being frightened that those who survive may come back and exercise their terrorist skills in Australia. The fact that the rather more numerous Australian military who went of to keep the peace in Afghanistan and Irak came back with a much better grasp of improvised explosive technology seems to have escaped them, as does the example of Timothy McVeigh
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timothy_McVeigh
which would suggest that native-born gun nuts pose a rather greater risk. Gun-nuts have shot a few people in Australia over the years - Australia does have gun control laws, but clearly not enough of them. Political terrorists haven't been as much of problem - unless you include the Australian politicians who love to frighten the population about improbable risks.
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On Thu, 31 Jul 2014 16:30:52 -0700 (PDT), Bill Sloman
<bill.sloman@gmail.com> wrote:
About the same number as there are Jews in the USA.
<bill.sloman@gmail.com> wrote:
About the same number as there are Jews in the USA.