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Normally, you'd think that would be the case, but it isn't always.On Thu, 09 Jul 2009 01:33:29 GMT, spambait@milmac.com (Doug Miller)
wrote:
In article <e3fa55lbl02gq5pkhbmh8tredn4h79e9ps@4ax.com>, life imitates life
wrote:
On Wed, 8 Jul 2009 11:46:16 -0400, "Rich." <rcres@XXcomcast.net> wrote:
only legal for him to do so if a homeowners permit is pulled
Some jurisdictions do not even have any such animal as a "homeowner's
permit".
In Ohio, for example, I would have to get a "building permit" to make
an add on to my structure or to add a permanent building on my property.
I do not know, however, what the requirements are for any electrical
work done in said project.
Regardless, to be legal, ALL has to be inspected.
Depends on where you are. There are jurisdictions that have no permitting,
licensing, or inspection requirements.
I would think that such conditions are based on nearest proximity of
assets that belong to others.
Sorry, don't believe that. Got a cite?On Wed, 08 Jul 2009 19:20:49 -0700, "JosephKK"<quiettechblue@yahoo.com
wrote:
And you just made a legal error. The NEC is adopted nationally (in
the US),
HELLOOOOOOOOO!!"Doug Miller" <spambait@milmac.com> wrote in message
news:zna5m.4419$Rb6.1652@flpi147.ffdc.sbc.com...
http://www.jaspercountysc.org/_fileUploads/UnlicensedResidentialBuildersDiscl
osureStatement.pdf
So where does that say that what he did was illegal?
You're kidding, right!?? Did you read the part about "I am the property
owner of the property described on the attached" or "State law requiring
construction to be performed by licensed contractors" or "The building or
residence must be for your own use or occupancy. It may not be built or
substantially improved for sale or lease."
Allow me to spell it out for you. The work has to be done by licensed
contractors, unless you are the homeowner doing the work,
will be living
there, and the property will not be rented for at least 2 years.
In article <3fqa55tmj9u60ol0rmds7vav5nhj88bv7v@4ax.com>, ChairmanOfTheBored <RUBored@crackasmile.org> wrote:
On Wed, 08 Jul 2009 19:20:49 -0700, "JosephKK"<quiettechblue@yahoo.com
wrote:
And you just made a legal error. The NEC is adopted nationally (in
the US),
Sorry, don't believe that. Got a cite?
Mike, it's not true that the NEC has been universally adopted. Just asGot a clue? The NEC was created by large insurance companies, soon
after the electrification of the United States started. There was
little
information, and no testing of hardware, or methods. The NFPA set
the
first fire safety standards. The NEC soon followed. The NFPA
publishes
the NEC.
If your wiring doesn't meet their requirements, the insurance
doesn't
pay off. Local code can be tighter than the NEC, but not ignore any
aspect of it. If a town has lower standards, there is no insurance
available. That means no one will loan money to buy, build or
remodel
existing buildings. Soon, the town is dead, because businesses
can't
afford to stay in business without insurance.
http://www.nec2k.com/electrical_code.html
http://www.nfpa.org/assets/files/pdf/HistoryNFPACodesStandards.pdf
I understand that. The claim was that "The NEC is adopted nationally in theDoug Miller wrote:
In article <3fqa55tmj9u60ol0rmds7vav5nhj88bv7v@4ax.com>, ChairmanOfTheBored
RUBored@crackasmile.org> wrote:
On Wed, 08 Jul 2009 19:20:49 -0700, "JosephKK"<quiettechblue@yahoo.com
wrote:
And you just made a legal error. The NEC is adopted nationally (in
the US),
Sorry, don't believe that. Got a cite?
Got a clue? The NEC was created by large insurance companies, soon
after the electrification of the United States started. There was little
information, and no testing of hardware, or methods. The NFPA set the
first fire safety standards. The NEC soon followed. The NFPA publishes
the NEC.
Please provide just *one* cite showing that has *ever* happened *anywhere* inIf your wiring doesn't meet their requirements, the insurance doesn't
pay off.
Not true. Any local jurisdiction can adopt any portion of the NEC as law, orLocal code can be tighter than the NEC, but not ignore any
aspect of it.
Bulls**t. You don't have a clue what you're talking about. I lived thirteenIf a town has lower standards, there is no insurance
available.
In the future, please confine your comments to areas in which you actuallyThat means no one will loan money to buy, build or remodel
existing buildings. Soon, the town is dead, because businesses can't
afford to stay in business without insurance.
In article <4A55E712.1A9D692C@earthlink.net>, "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:
Doug Miller wrote:
In article <3fqa55tmj9u60ol0rmds7vav5nhj88bv7v@4ax.com>, ChairmanOfTheBored
RUBored@crackasmile.org> wrote:
On Wed, 08 Jul 2009 19:20:49 -0700, "JosephKK"<quiettechblue@yahoo.com
wrote:
And you just made a legal error. The NEC is adopted nationally (in
the US),
Sorry, don't believe that. Got a cite?
Got a clue? The NEC was created by large insurance companies, soon
after the electrification of the United States started. There was little
information, and no testing of hardware, or methods. The NFPA set the
first fire safety standards. The NEC soon followed. The NFPA publishes
the NEC.
I understand that. The claim was that "The NEC is adopted nationally in the
US". And I don't believe that.
If your wiring doesn't meet their requirements, the insurance doesn't
pay off.
Please provide just *one* cite showing that has *ever* happened *anywhere* in
the U.S.
Local code can be tighter than the NEC, but not ignore any
aspect of it.
Not true. Any local jurisdiction can adopt any portion of the NEC as law, or
decline to adopt it, as it pleases.
If a town has lower standards, there is no insurance
available.
Bulls**t. You don't have a clue what you're talking about. I lived thirteen
years in a rural area of Indiana that had *no* Code, *no* permits, *no*
inspections, and *no* licensing. And I had *no* problems getting insurance for
my home.
That means no one will loan money to buy, build or remodel
existing buildings. Soon, the town is dead, because businesses can't
afford to stay in business without insurance.
In the future, please confine your comments to areas in which you actually
know something. This is not one of them.
He said he was a renter (tenant) at the property, unlicensed, and claimed toIn article <zpe5m.17550$dd4.2529@newsfe10.iad>,
The work has to be done by licensed
contractors, unless you are the homeowner doing the work,
HELLOOOOOOOOO!!
"unless you are the homeowner doing the work" -- wasn't that exactly what
he
said?
will be living
there, and the property will not be rented for at least 2 years.
"Doug Miller" <spambait@milmac.com> wrote in message
news:eZk5m.9180$Jb1.1310@flpi144.ffdc.sbc.com...
In article <zpe5m.17550$dd4.2529@newsfe10.iad>,
The work has to be done by licensed
contractors, unless you are the homeowner doing the work,
HELLOOOOOOOOO!!
"unless you are the homeowner doing the work" -- wasn't that exactly what
he
said?
will be living
there, and the property will not be rented for at least 2 years.
He said he was a renter (tenant) at the property, unlicensed, and claimed to
have legally done a 400-amp service change for the property owner. It was I
that said you're supposed to be a licensed contractor or the actual
homeowner to legally do the work.
We're talking about the legalities, not whether or not one of the 'good ole"Rich." wrote:
"Doug Miller" <spambait@milmac.com> wrote in message
news:eZk5m.9180$Jb1.1310@flpi144.ffdc.sbc.com...
In article <zpe5m.17550$dd4.2529@newsfe10.iad>,
The work has to be done by licensed
contractors, unless you are the homeowner doing the work,
HELLOOOOOOOOO!!
"unless you are the homeowner doing the work" -- wasn't that exactly
what
he
said?
will be living
there, and the property will not be rented for at least 2 years.
He said he was a renter (tenant) at the property, unlicensed, and claimed
to
have legally done a 400-amp service change for the property owner. It was
I
that said you're supposed to be a licensed contractor or the actual
homeowner to legally do the work.
He was living there, though. They likely didn't ask if he was buying
it. If the owner was ok with it, why would they care?
Complete evasion of the points I raised is noted.Doug Miller wrote:
In article <4A55E712.1A9D692C@earthlink.net>, "Michael A. Terrell"
mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:
Doug Miller wrote:
In article <3fqa55tmj9u60ol0rmds7vav5nhj88bv7v@4ax.com>,
ChairmanOfTheBored
RUBored@crackasmile.org> wrote:
On Wed, 08 Jul 2009 19:20:49 -0700, "JosephKK"<quiettechblue@yahoo.com
wrote:
And you just made a legal error. The NEC is adopted nationally (in
the US),
Sorry, don't believe that. Got a cite?
Got a clue? The NEC was created by large insurance companies, soon
after the electrification of the United States started. There was little
information, and no testing of hardware, or methods. The NFPA set the
first fire safety standards. The NEC soon followed. The NFPA publishes
the NEC.
I understand that. The claim was that "The NEC is adopted nationally in the
US". And I don't believe that.
If your wiring doesn't meet their requirements, the insurance doesn't
pay off.
Please provide just *one* cite showing that has *ever* happened *anywhere* in
the U.S.
Local code can be tighter than the NEC, but not ignore any
aspect of it.
Not true. Any local jurisdiction can adopt any portion of the NEC as law, or
decline to adopt it, as it pleases.
If a town has lower standards, there is no insurance
available.
Bulls**t. You don't have a clue what you're talking about. I lived thirteen
years in a rural area of Indiana that had *no* Code, *no* permits, *no*
inspections, and *no* licensing. And I had *no* problems getting insurance
for
my home.
That means no one will loan money to buy, build or remodel
existing buildings. Soon, the town is dead, because businesses can't
afford to stay in business without insurance.
In the future, please confine your comments to areas in which you actually
know something. This is not one of them.
Haven't you heard? Rural areas don't count for anything. Ask either
coast.
No location + no date = no proof.A huge barn on a horse farm near here burnt to the ground and killed
a lot of horses. They got almost nothing from their insurance when the
investigation found substandard wiring.
And just because you imagine something, doesn't mean it's true. Fact is, youSo what if it was never
inspected, no permits. there was a major loss to the owners. When they
wanted to rebuild, there were permits to be pulled, inspections done,
and the structure had to have a sprinkler system, as well.
Just because you did something decades ago doesn't mean that it's
legal, today.
"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:4A55FE42.90A1A5B4@earthlink.net...
"Rich." wrote:
"Doug Miller" <spambait@milmac.com> wrote in message
news:eZk5m.9180$Jb1.1310@flpi144.ffdc.sbc.com...
In article <zpe5m.17550$dd4.2529@newsfe10.iad>,
The work has to be done by licensed
contractors, unless you are the homeowner doing the work,
HELLOOOOOOOOO!!
"unless you are the homeowner doing the work" -- wasn't that exactly
what
he
said?
will be living
there, and the property will not be rented for at least 2 years.
He said he was a renter (tenant) at the property, unlicensed, and claimed
to
have legally done a 400-amp service change for the property owner. It was
I
that said you're supposed to be a licensed contractor or the actual
homeowner to legally do the work.
He was living there, though. They likely didn't ask if he was buying
it. If the owner was ok with it, why would they care?
We're talking about the legalities, not whether or not one of the 'good ole
boys' is going to look the other way.
In article <4A55F94A.3039A789@earthlink.net>, "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:
Doug Miller wrote:
In article <4A55E712.1A9D692C@earthlink.net>, "Michael A. Terrell"
mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:
Doug Miller wrote:
In article <3fqa55tmj9u60ol0rmds7vav5nhj88bv7v@4ax.com>,
ChairmanOfTheBored
RUBored@crackasmile.org> wrote:
On Wed, 08 Jul 2009 19:20:49 -0700, "JosephKK"<quiettechblue@yahoo.com
wrote:
And you just made a legal error. The NEC is adopted nationally (in
the US),
Sorry, don't believe that. Got a cite?
Got a clue? The NEC was created by large insurance companies, soon
after the electrification of the United States started. There was little
information, and no testing of hardware, or methods. The NFPA set the
first fire safety standards. The NEC soon followed. The NFPA publishes
the NEC.
I understand that. The claim was that "The NEC is adopted nationally in the
US". And I don't believe that.
If your wiring doesn't meet their requirements, the insurance doesn't
pay off.
Please provide just *one* cite showing that has *ever* happened *anywhere* in
the U.S.
Local code can be tighter than the NEC, but not ignore any
aspect of it.
Not true. Any local jurisdiction can adopt any portion of the NEC as law, or
decline to adopt it, as it pleases.
If a town has lower standards, there is no insurance
available.
Bulls**t. You don't have a clue what you're talking about. I lived thirteen
years in a rural area of Indiana that had *no* Code, *no* permits, *no*
inspections, and *no* licensing. And I had *no* problems getting insurance
for
my home.
That means no one will loan money to buy, build or remodel
existing buildings. Soon, the town is dead, because businesses can't
afford to stay in business without insurance.
In the future, please confine your comments to areas in which you actually
know something. This is not one of them.
Haven't you heard? Rural areas don't count for anything. Ask either
coast.
Complete evasion of the points I raised is noted.
A huge barn on a horse farm near here burnt to the ground and killed
a lot of horses. They got almost nothing from their insurance when the
investigation found substandard wiring.
No location + no date = no proof.
So what if it was never
inspected, no permits. there was a major loss to the owners. When they
wanted to rebuild, there were permits to be pulled, inspections done,
and the structure had to have a sprinkler system, as well.
Just because you did something decades ago doesn't mean that it's
legal, today.
And just because you imagine something, doesn't mean it's true. Fact is, you
don't have any idea what you're talking about. You're just making stuff up, or
repeating something you were told by a friend of a friend. If you can produce
cites proving that:
- the NEC has been adopted nationwide in the U.S.
- local jurisdictions are required to adopt the NEC in its entirety
- any insurance company anywhere ever refused to pay off a fire claim due to
unpermitted or unlicensed electrical work
- any property owner anywhere in the United States has been unable to obtain
homeowner's insurance because the town in which he lives has not fully adopted
the NEC
then I'll retract that statement, admit I was wrong and you were right, and
apologize. Until then, I stand behind my statement that you don't have any
idea what you're talking about.
You might think that. I'd be inclined to thinkOn Thu, 09 Jul 2009 01:33:29 GMT, spambait@milmac.com (Doug Miller)
wrote:
In article <e3fa55lbl02gq5pkhbmh8tredn4h79e9ps@4ax.com>, life imitates life wrote:
On Wed, 8 Jul 2009 11:46:16 -0400, "Rich." <rcres@XXcomcast.net> wrote:
only legal for him to do so if a homeowners permit is pulled
Some jurisdictions do not even have any such animal as a "homeowner's
permit".
In Ohio, for example, I would have to get a "building permit" to make
an add on to my structure or to add a permanent building on my property.
I do not know, however, what the requirements are for any electrical
work done in said project.
Regardless, to be legal, ALL has to be inspected.
Depends on where you are. There are jurisdictions that have no permitting,
licensing, or inspection requirements.
I would think that such conditions are based on nearest proximity of
assets that belong to others.
I've seen this from you before. It's Michael Terrell shorthand for "I can'tDoug Miller wrote:
In article <4A55F94A.3039A789@earthlink.net>, "Michael A. Terrell"
mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:
Doug Miller wrote:
In article <4A55E712.1A9D692C@earthlink.net>, "Michael A. Terrell"
mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:
Doug Miller wrote:
In article <3fqa55tmj9u60ol0rmds7vav5nhj88bv7v@4ax.com>,
ChairmanOfTheBored
RUBored@crackasmile.org> wrote:
On Wed, 08 Jul 2009 19:20:49 -0700,
"JosephKK"<quiettechblue@yahoo.com
wrote:
And you just made a legal error. The NEC is adopted nationally (in
the US),
Sorry, don't believe that. Got a cite?
Got a clue? The NEC was created by large insurance companies, soon
after the electrification of the United States started. There was little
information, and no testing of hardware, or methods. The NFPA set the
first fire safety standards. The NEC soon followed. The NFPA publishes
the NEC.
I understand that. The claim was that "The NEC is adopted nationally in
the
US". And I don't believe that.
If your wiring doesn't meet their requirements, the insurance doesn't
pay off.
Please provide just *one* cite showing that has *ever* happened *anywhere*
in
the U.S.
Local code can be tighter than the NEC, but not ignore any
aspect of it.
Not true. Any local jurisdiction can adopt any portion of the NEC as law,
or
decline to adopt it, as it pleases.
If a town has lower standards, there is no insurance
available.
Bulls**t. You don't have a clue what you're talking about. I lived
thirteen
years in a rural area of Indiana that had *no* Code, *no* permits, *no*
inspections, and *no* licensing. And I had *no* problems getting insurance
for
my home.
That means no one will loan money to buy, build or remodel
existing buildings. Soon, the town is dead, because businesses can't
afford to stay in business without insurance.
In the future, please confine your comments to areas in which you actually
know something. This is not one of them.
Haven't you heard? Rural areas don't count for anything. Ask either
coast.
Complete evasion of the points I raised is noted.
A huge barn on a horse farm near here burnt to the ground and killed
a lot of horses. They got almost nothing from their insurance when the
investigation found substandard wiring.
No location + no date = no proof.
So what if it was never
inspected, no permits. there was a major loss to the owners. When they
wanted to rebuild, there were permits to be pulled, inspections done,
and the structure had to have a sprinkler system, as well.
Just because you did something decades ago doesn't mean that it's
legal, today.
And just because you imagine something, doesn't mean it's true. Fact is, you
don't have any idea what you're talking about. You're just making stuff up, or
repeating something you were told by a friend of a friend. If you can produce
cites proving that:
- the NEC has been adopted nationwide in the U.S.
- local jurisdictions are required to adopt the NEC in its entirety
- any insurance company anywhere ever refused to pay off a fire claim due to
unpermitted or unlicensed electrical work
- any property owner anywhere in the United States has been unable to obtain
homeowner's insurance because the town in which he lives has not fully adopted
the NEC
then I'll retract that statement, admit I was wrong and you were right, and
apologize. Until then, I stand behind my statement that you don't have any
idea what you're talking about.
Ok, you win. You can crawl back up Ed's ass. You aren't worth
talking to.
In article <4A56205A.39A4B9EC@earthlink.net>, "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:
Doug Miller wrote:
In article <4A55F94A.3039A789@earthlink.net>, "Michael A. Terrell"
mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:
Doug Miller wrote:
In article <4A55E712.1A9D692C@earthlink.net>, "Michael A. Terrell"
mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:
Doug Miller wrote:
In article <3fqa55tmj9u60ol0rmds7vav5nhj88bv7v@4ax.com>,
ChairmanOfTheBored
RUBored@crackasmile.org> wrote:
On Wed, 08 Jul 2009 19:20:49 -0700,
"JosephKK"<quiettechblue@yahoo.com
wrote:
And you just made a legal error. The NEC is adopted nationally (in
the US),
Sorry, don't believe that. Got a cite?
Got a clue? The NEC was created by large insurance companies, soon
after the electrification of the United States started. There was little
information, and no testing of hardware, or methods. The NFPA set the
first fire safety standards. The NEC soon followed. The NFPA publishes
the NEC.
I understand that. The claim was that "The NEC is adopted nationally in
the
US". And I don't believe that.
If your wiring doesn't meet their requirements, the insurance doesn't
pay off.
Please provide just *one* cite showing that has *ever* happened *anywhere*
in
the U.S.
Local code can be tighter than the NEC, but not ignore any
aspect of it.
Not true. Any local jurisdiction can adopt any portion of the NEC as law,
or
decline to adopt it, as it pleases.
If a town has lower standards, there is no insurance
available.
Bulls**t. You don't have a clue what you're talking about. I lived
thirteen
years in a rural area of Indiana that had *no* Code, *no* permits, *no*
inspections, and *no* licensing. And I had *no* problems getting insurance
for
my home.
That means no one will loan money to buy, build or remodel
existing buildings. Soon, the town is dead, because businesses can't
afford to stay in business without insurance.
In the future, please confine your comments to areas in which you actually
know something. This is not one of them.
Haven't you heard? Rural areas don't count for anything. Ask either
coast.
Complete evasion of the points I raised is noted.
A huge barn on a horse farm near here burnt to the ground and killed
a lot of horses. They got almost nothing from their insurance when the
investigation found substandard wiring.
No location + no date = no proof.
So what if it was never
inspected, no permits. there was a major loss to the owners. When they
wanted to rebuild, there were permits to be pulled, inspections done,
and the structure had to have a sprinkler system, as well.
Just because you did something decades ago doesn't mean that it's
legal, today.
And just because you imagine something, doesn't mean it's true. Fact is, you
don't have any idea what you're talking about. You're just making stuff up, or
repeating something you were told by a friend of a friend. If you can produce
cites proving that:
- the NEC has been adopted nationwide in the U.S.
- local jurisdictions are required to adopt the NEC in its entirety
- any insurance company anywhere ever refused to pay off a fire claim due to
unpermitted or unlicensed electrical work
- any property owner anywhere in the United States has been unable to obtain
homeowner's insurance because the town in which he lives has not fully adopted
the NEC
then I'll retract that statement, admit I was wrong and you were right, and
apologize. Until then, I stand behind my statement that you don't have any
idea what you're talking about.
Ok, you win. You can crawl back up Ed's ass. You aren't worth
talking to.
I've seen this from you before. It's Michael Terrell shorthand for "I can't
back up my claims and I know it."
I'm disappointed.
But not surprised.
That's a matter for opinion and apparently, yours don't count!On Wed, 08 Jul 2009 19:51:13 -0400, Jamie
jamie_ka1lpa_not_valid_after_ka1lpa_@charter.net> wrote:
krw wrote:
On Wed, 08 Jul 2009 18:39:31 -0400, Jamie
jamie_ka1lpa_not_valid_after_ka1lpa_@charter.net> wrote:
Doug Miller wrote:
In article <KLX4m.2006$cW.1746@newsreading01.news.tds.net>, "Harold and Susan Vordos" <vordos@tds.net> wrote:
"Doug Miller" <spambait@milmac.com> wrote in message
news:AI14m.2332$Wj7.1124@nlpi065.nbdc.sbc.com...
In article <VWY3m.1928$cW.1327@newsreading01.news.tds.net>, "Harold and
Susan Vordos" <vordos@tds.net> wrote:
The voltage declared indicates that the service is, indeed, delta.
Nonsense. 245VAC could *easily* be a [nominal] 240V single-phase service.
Yes, it could be, but we're talking about industrial machinery, generally
powered by three phase. I have serious doubts that a single phase CNC
would contain a $4,000 board when you can buy the machines for that amount
of money.
I'm convinced the wiring in question is three phase. The only remaining
question is whether it's delta or wye. Considering wye reads 208 volts leg
to leg, I'm pretty sure its delta. You?
The point is that a measurement of 245V, in and of itself, is not proof of
3-phase delta service. I measure 243V between the two legs of my residential
service, and I'm quite sure that it's only single-phase.
How ever, it is most likely originating from a 3 phase source via a
single phase xformer.
What's that got to do with the price of oats in China?
I don't know about oats, but I hear the price of rice is up!
I figured that you were talking through your ass again.
That is correct: I rent the house.He said he was a renter (tenant) at the property, unlicensed, and
claimed to have legally done a 400-amp service change for the property
owner. It was I that said you're supposed to be a licensed contractor or
the actual homeowner to legally do the work.
That is a matter of fact, though you wouldn't know a fact if it bitkrw wrote:
On Wed, 08 Jul 2009 19:51:13 -0400, Jamie
jamie_ka1lpa_not_valid_after_ka1lpa_@charter.net> wrote:
krw wrote:
On Wed, 08 Jul 2009 18:39:31 -0400, Jamie
jamie_ka1lpa_not_valid_after_ka1lpa_@charter.net> wrote:
Doug Miller wrote:
In article <KLX4m.2006$cW.1746@newsreading01.news.tds.net>, "Harold and Susan Vordos" <vordos@tds.net> wrote:
"Doug Miller" <spambait@milmac.com> wrote in message
news:AI14m.2332$Wj7.1124@nlpi065.nbdc.sbc.com...
In article <VWY3m.1928$cW.1327@newsreading01.news.tds.net>, "Harold and
Susan Vordos" <vordos@tds.net> wrote:
The voltage declared indicates that the service is, indeed, delta.
Nonsense. 245VAC could *easily* be a [nominal] 240V single-phase service.
Yes, it could be, but we're talking about industrial machinery, generally
powered by three phase. I have serious doubts that a single phase CNC
would contain a $4,000 board when you can buy the machines for that amount
of money.
I'm convinced the wiring in question is three phase. The only remaining
question is whether it's delta or wye. Considering wye reads 208 volts leg
to leg, I'm pretty sure its delta. You?
The point is that a measurement of 245V, in and of itself, is not proof of
3-phase delta service. I measure 243V between the two legs of my residential
service, and I'm quite sure that it's only single-phase.
How ever, it is most likely originating from a 3 phase source via a
single phase xformer.
What's that got to do with the price of oats in China?
I don't know about oats, but I hear the price of rice is up!
I figured that you were talking through your ass again.
That's a matter for opinion and apparently, yours don't count!
All three legs are generally used for distribution."Jamie" <jamie_ka1lpa_not_valid_after_ka1lpa_@charter.net> wrote in message
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Doug Miller wrote:
In article <KLX4m.2006$cW.1746@newsreading01.news.tds.net>, "Harold and
Susan Vordos" <vordos@tds.net> wrote:
"Doug Miller" <spambait@milmac.com> wrote in message
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In article <VWY3m.1928$cW.1327@newsreading01.news.tds.net>, "Harold and
Susan Vordos" <vordos@tds.net> wrote:
The voltage declared indicates that the service is, indeed, delta.
Nonsense. 245VAC could *easily* be a [nominal] 240V single-phase
service.
Yes, it could be, but we're talking about industrial machinery,
generally powered by three phase. I have serious doubts that a single
phase CNC would contain a $4,000 board when you can buy the machines for
that amount of money.
I'm convinced the wiring in question is three phase. The only remaining
question is whether it's delta or wye. Considering wye reads 208 volts
leg to leg, I'm pretty sure its delta. You?
The point is that a measurement of 245V, in and of itself, is not proof
of 3-phase delta service. I measure 243V between the two legs of my
residential service, and I'm quite sure that it's only single-phase.
How ever, it is most likely originating from a 3 phase source via a
single phase xformer.
It is always from a three phase source. That's the way it comes from the
generators, although only one leg is generally used for distribution.
That's unusual. All three phases are generally on each pole inWhere I live, one leg of the three phase ran the power for everyone on the
hill. When they needed to increase capacity, I paid for the third leg to be
installed while they were upgrading the service with the second leg. That's
how I ended up with three phase service in my shop, having had the primary
lines extended for over two miles.