Driver to drive?

[krw]

On Wed, 08 Jul 2009 18:02:03 -0700, Mycelium
<mycelium@thematrixattheendofthemushroomstem.org> wrote:

On Wed, 08 Jul 2009 18:45:13 -0500, krw <krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzz> wrote:

You make no sense, then. Hexadecimal is a special case, or expression
of binary. Paper tape is binary, at least in most senses.

Paper tape is absolutely binary.

Depennds on how you define (or look at) things. This one can be argued
either way (as can hexadecimal/binary).

Unless you live in Florida, then, it is tri-state, depending on the 'chad factor'.

....and MN is chadless.

 

[Doug Miller]

In article <e3fa55lbl02gq5pkhbmh8tredn4h79e9ps@4ax.com>, life imitates life wrote:

On Wed, 8 Jul 2009 11:46:16 -0400, "Rich." <rcres@XXcomcast.net> wrote:

only legal for him to do so if a homeowners permit is pulled

Some jurisdictions do not even have any such animal as a "homeowner's
permit".

In Ohio, for example, I would have to get a "building permit" to make
an add on to my structure or to add a permanent building on my property.

I do not know, however, what the requirements are for any electrical
work done in said project.

Regardless, to be legal, ALL has to be inspected.

Depends on where you are. There are jurisdictions that have no permitting,
licensing, or inspection requirements.

 

[jk]

StickThatInYourPipeAndSmokeIt <Zarathustra@thusspoke.org> wrote:

You're an idiot. READ his post.
Which HIS

get real. [You don't even
generally get, two 240 v sources from a singe ph XF anyway, but lets
ignore that]

You're an idiot.
Ahhh no answer to that, so just an A-H attack. How clever....

Read either side of your house service at ANY time and the two voltages
will be right on each other with perhaps a volt or two variance between
them. Maybe when the power company puts too many houses on the same
transformer, you could see a variance that is greater if the other houses
are all loaded up on one side, but the likelihood id very low.

OHHH so now we are going from never, to "low likelyhood"?

I used to live in one of those locations. It had a for shit utility
neutral.

You have about as much common sense as a freshly laid turd.
Ahh.... yet an other A-H attack...... Your ability to have polite

discourse is short of amazing, well well short of it.

jk

 

[Mycelium]

On Wed, 08 Jul 2009 20:20:20 -0500, krw <krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzz> wrote:

On Wed, 08 Jul 2009 18:02:03 -0700, Mycelium
mycelium@thematrixattheendofthemushroomstem.org> wrote:

On Wed, 08 Jul 2009 18:45:13 -0500, krw <krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzz> wrote:

You make no sense, then. Hexadecimal is a special case, or expression
of binary. Paper tape is binary, at least in most senses.

Paper tape is absolutely binary.

Depennds on how you define (or look at) things. This one can be argued
either way (as can hexadecimal/binary).

Unless you live in Florida, then, it is tri-state, depending on the 'chad factor'.

...and MN is chadless.

The individual holes are binary, hence the term 'absolute'.

Of course a string of holes can be referred to as a 'word' or 'byte' or
whatever one wishes, and the entire area can be sectored off in some
manner or not, but the most base element is on or off, hole or no hole.

 

[life imitates life]

On Thu, 09 Jul 2009 01:33:29 GMT, spambait@milmac.com (Doug Miller)
wrote:

In article <e3fa55lbl02gq5pkhbmh8tredn4h79e9ps@4ax.com>, life imitates life wrote:
On Wed, 8 Jul 2009 11:46:16 -0400, "Rich." <rcres@XXcomcast.net> wrote:

only legal for him to do so if a homeowners permit is pulled

Some jurisdictions do not even have any such animal as a "homeowner's
permit".

In Ohio, for example, I would have to get a "building permit" to make
an add on to my structure or to add a permanent building on my property.

I do not know, however, what the requirements are for any electrical
work done in said project.

Regardless, to be legal, ALL has to be inspected.

Depends on where you are. There are jurisdictions that have no permitting,
licensing, or inspection requirements.

I would think that such conditions are based on nearest proximity of
assets that belong to others.

 

[Martin H. Eastburn]

I'm concerned that the system engineer (was one) didn't know what
they were doing - no internal protection - or was the customer
to cheap and didn't buy an option.

I hate that kind of option - to lower the price and risk failures.

Power lines have gone from 200 to 245 in my lifetime and will likely
continue to inch up.

Remember 100v and then 107 and 110 and 115 and 120 and 125 and 130...

Pushing more power with the same cables - requires higher voltages.

Martin

Harold and Susan Vordos wrote:

"Doug Miller" <spambait@milmac.com> wrote in message
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In article <VWY3m.1928$cW.1327@newsreading01.news.tds.net>, "Harold and
Susan Vordos" <vordos@tds.net> wrote:

The voltage declared indicates that the service is, indeed, delta.
Nonsense. 245VAC could *easily* be a [nominal] 240V single-phase service.

Yes, it could be, but we're talking about industrial machinery, generally
powered by three phase. I have serious doubts that a single phase CNC
would contain a $4,000 board when you can buy the machines for that amount
of money.

I'm convinced the wiring in question is three phase. The only remaining
question is whether it's delta or wye. Considering wye reads 208 volts leg
to leg, I'm pretty sure its delta. You?

Harold

 

[JosephKK]

On Thu, 09 Jul 2009 00:07:31 GMT, spambait@milmac.com (Doug Miller)
wrote:

In article <5j5a559qtpofgeqilaf8n1k7btd73pbs7c@4ax.com>, clare@snyder.on.ca wrote:

I believe the standard electrical code is in effect, as a minimum,
everywhere in Canada and the USA.

You believe incorrectly.

Some areas have standards that
excede the standard code, and in some areas there is little or no
enforcement - making the law toothless - but still law.

And in many areas, the Code has *not* been adopted by local ordinance and
therefore is not law.

And you just made a legal error. The NEC is adopted nationally (in
the US), and amended by some silly states (e.g. California), and also
adopted on a state by state basis (not all states) where they are not
silly enough to try amending it.

There are areas with NO zoning, and no permits required.
There are likely still areas where trade licencing is not mandatory.
Code still applies.

Code applies *only* if it has been adopted as law by the relevant
jurisdiction.

 

On Wed, 08 Jul 2009 18:45:13 -0500, krw <krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzz> wrote:

On Tue, 07 Jul 2009 23:44:07 -0400, clare@snyder.on.ca wrote:

On Mon, 06 Jul 2009 23:29:16 -0500, krw <krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzz> wrote:

On Tue, 07 Jul 2009 00:14:23 -0400, clare@snyder.on.ca wrote:

On Mon, 06 Jul 2009 22:08:45 -0500, krw <krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzz> wrote:

On Mon, 06 Jul 2009 21:10:06 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:


krw wrote:

On Mon, 06 Jul 2009 00:57:37 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:

krw wrote:

On Sun, 05 Jul 2009 21:00:09 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:

krw wrote:

Michael A. Terrell wrote:

Has anyone ever seen a 1950s CNC machine?

Does a Jaquard loom count? Oh, 1950s, not 1750s. ;-)

Did it have a $4000 controller board? ;-)

In 2009 dollars, quite likely.

Well, Zero bit processors were quite expensive.

Jacquard looms are pretty impressive things to watch. ...and almost
300 years old. Not "zero bits" at all.


They operated from punched cards for the weave patterns, and had zero
bits of computer processing power.

They are CNC machines. CNC machines don't need to "process" anything.
And they do NOT need to be Binary Digital, or Hexidecimal.

Depends on your definition of binary. Certainly paper tape and octal
computers (DECs) worked. OTOH, I can't think of an instance of an
analog CNC machine.
Notice no comma between binary and digital - so "binary digital", not
"binary", or "digital"

You make no sense, then. Hexadecimal is a special case, or expression
of binary. Paper tape is binary, at least in most senses.

Analog CNC could be done with "voice coil" actuators with servo
feedback. MUCH faster than servo-motor devices for low-power
applications - which is why they have replaced servo motors for
disk-drive head positioners and lazer focusing etc.

Bet the lazer focussing on a CNC laser cutter has been done "analog"
by someone somewhere.

I doubt that function is (user) programmable, so not in any way C*C.
Definitely controlable if you are laser etching 3-D.

 

[MadManMoon]

On Wed, 08 Jul 2009 12:39:28 -0500, "Lloyd E. Sponenburgh"
<lloydspinsidemindspring.com> wrote:

"Paul Hovnanian P.E." <paul@hovnanian.com> fired this volley in
news:wZidnShguKc5UsnXnZ2dnUVZ_uadnZ2d@posted.isomediainc:

You need to dump the outfit you are using and use a competent
electrician.


I've only ever met two or three of those in my life.

LLoyd

Maybe you should have been a 'Lookenburgh' instead of a Sponenburgh.

 

[JosephKK]

On Wed, 08 Jul 2009 12:39:28 -0500, "Lloyd E. Sponenburgh"
<lloydspinsidemindspring.com> wrote:

"Paul Hovnanian P.E." <paul@hovnanian.com> fired this volley in
news:wZidnShguKc5UsnXnZ2dnUVZ_uadnZ2d@posted.isomediainc:

You need to dump the outfit you are using and use a competent
electrician.


I've only ever met two or three of those in my life.

LLoyd

I have been more fortunate, but i have worked with many. I find that
they follow the "normal curve". Most can do the job correctly, some
are always brilliant and neat as well. Some have problems getting the
job right. What i hate is that the unions insist that they be paid
the same.

 

[Archimedes' Lever]

On Wed, 08 Jul 2009 21:16:52 -0500, "Martin H. Eastburn"
<lionslair@consolidated.net> wrote:

I'm concerned that the system engineer (was one) didn't know what
they were doing - no internal protection - or was the customer
to cheap and didn't buy an option.

I hate that kind of option - to lower the price and risk failures.

Power lines have gone from 200 to 245 in my lifetime and will likely
continue to inch up.

Remember 100v and then 107 and 110 and 115 and 120 and 125 and 130...

Pushing more power with the same cables - requires higher voltages.

Martin

We have never gone above 120 anywhere in the lower 48 that I remember.


Please refrain from top posting.

 

[ChairmanOfTheBored]

On Wed, 08 Jul 2009 19:20:49 -0700, "JosephKK"<quiettechblue@yahoo.com>
wrote:

And you just made a legal error. The NEC is adopted nationally (in
the US), and amended by some silly states (e.g. California), and also
adopted on a state by state basis (not all states) where they are not
silly enough to try amending it.

Are they amendments or addendums?

 

[krw]

On Wed, 08 Jul 2009 19:09:19 -0700, Mycelium
<mycelium@thematrixattheendofthemushroomstem.org> wrote:

On Wed, 08 Jul 2009 20:20:20 -0500, krw <krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzz> wrote:

On Wed, 08 Jul 2009 18:02:03 -0700, Mycelium
mycelium@thematrixattheendofthemushroomstem.org> wrote:

On Wed, 08 Jul 2009 18:45:13 -0500, krw <krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzz> wrote:

You make no sense, then. Hexadecimal is a special case, or expression
of binary. Paper tape is binary, at least in most senses.

Paper tape is absolutely binary.

Depennds on how you define (or look at) things. This one can be argued
either way (as can hexadecimal/binary).

Unless you live in Florida, then, it is tri-state, depending on the 'chad factor'.

...and MN is chadless.


The individual holes are binary, hence the term 'absolute'.

It is a character device, so there is no "'absolute'".

Of course a string of holes can be referred to as a 'word' or 'byte' or
whatever one wishes, and the entire area can be sectored off in some
manner or not, but the most base element is on or off, hole or no hole.

The reader is a character device.

 

[RoyJ]

I ALWAYS top post. Keeps from having to read the drivel.

But as for line voltage, I monitor my voltage with an accurate digital
meter. floats around 123 to 125 except during hot summer afternoons when
it sags appreciably.

As for the sag, the guys in our weld shop on the 4 PM to midnight shift
in the summer were constantly adjusting the heat levels down as the
voltage rose over their shifts.

Archimedes' Lever wrote:

On Wed, 08 Jul 2009 21:16:52 -0500, "Martin H. Eastburn"
lionslair@consolidated.net> wrote:

I'm concerned that the system engineer (was one) didn't know what
they were doing - no internal protection - or was the customer
to cheap and didn't buy an option.

I hate that kind of option - to lower the price and risk failures.

Power lines have gone from 200 to 245 in my lifetime and will likely
continue to inch up.

Remember 100v and then 107 and 110 and 115 and 120 and 125 and 130...

Pushing more power with the same cables - requires higher voltages.

Martin

We have never gone above 120 anywhere in the lower 48 that I remember.


Please refrain from top posting.

 

[Rich.]

"Doug Miller" <spambait@milmac.com> wrote in message
news:zna5m.4419$Rb6.1652@flpi147.ffdc.sbc.com...

http://www.jaspercountysc.org/_fileUploads/UnlicensedResidentialBuildersDisclosureStatement.pdf

So where does that say that what he did was illegal?

You're kidding, right!?? Did you read the part about "I am the property
owner of the property described on the attached" or "State law requiring
construction to be performed by licensed contractors" or "The building or
residence must be for your own use or occupancy. It may not be built or
substantially improved for sale or lease."

Allow me to spell it out for you. The work has to be done by licensed
contractors, unless you are the homeowner doing the work, will be living
there, and the property will not be rented for at least 2 years.

 

[Archimedes' Lever]

On Wed, 08 Jul 2009 23:20:41 -0500, RoyJ <spamless@microsoft.net> wrote:

I ALWAYS top post. Keeps from having to read the drivel.

You are the weakest drivel... goodbye.

 

[Archimedes' Lever]

On Wed, 08 Jul 2009 23:20:41 -0500, RoyJ <spamless@microsoft.net> wrote:

I monitor my voltage with an accurate digital
meter. floats around 123 to 125 except during hot summer afternoons when
it sags appreciably.

That 'accurate' 'cheap chinese' 'meter'?

 

[Harold and Susan Vordos]

"Doug Miller" <spambait@milmac.com> wrote in message
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In article <KLX4m.2006$cW.1746@newsreading01.news.tds.net>, "Harold and
Susan Vordos" <vordos@tds.net> wrote:

"Doug Miller" <spambait@milmac.com> wrote in message
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In article <VWY3m.1928$cW.1327@newsreading01.news.tds.net>, "Harold and
Susan Vordos" <vordos@tds.net> wrote:


The voltage declared indicates that the service is, indeed, delta.

Nonsense. 245VAC could *easily* be a [nominal] 240V single-phase
service.

Yes, it could be, but we're talking about industrial machinery, generally
powered by three phase. I have serious doubts that a single phase CNC
would contain a $4,000 board when you can buy the machines for that amount
of money.

I'm convinced the wiring in question is three phase. The only remaining
question is whether it's delta or wye. Considering wye reads 208 volts
leg
to leg, I'm pretty sure its delta. You?

The point is that a measurement of 245V, in and of itself, is not proof of
3-phase delta service. I measure 243V between the two legs of my
residential
service, and I'm quite sure that it's only single-phase.

Sigh! I'm through wasting my time with you. Take it up with someone that
gives a damn.

Harold

 

[Harold and Susan Vordos]

"Jamie" <jamie_ka1lpa_not_valid_after_ka1lpa_@charter.net> wrote in message
news:g495m.12273$Il.4926@newsfe16.iad...

Doug Miller wrote:

In article <KLX4m.2006$cW.1746@newsreading01.news.tds.net>, "Harold and
Susan Vordos" <vordos@tds.net> wrote:

"Doug Miller" <spambait@milmac.com> wrote in message
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In article <VWY3m.1928$cW.1327@newsreading01.news.tds.net>, "Harold and
Susan Vordos" <vordos@tds.net> wrote:


The voltage declared indicates that the service is, indeed, delta.

Nonsense. 245VAC could *easily* be a [nominal] 240V single-phase
service.

Yes, it could be, but we're talking about industrial machinery,
generally powered by three phase. I have serious doubts that a single
phase CNC would contain a $4,000 board when you can buy the machines for
that amount of money.

I'm convinced the wiring in question is three phase. The only remaining
question is whether it's delta or wye. Considering wye reads 208 volts
leg to leg, I'm pretty sure its delta. You?


The point is that a measurement of 245V, in and of itself, is not proof
of 3-phase delta service. I measure 243V between the two legs of my
residential service, and I'm quite sure that it's only single-phase.
How ever, it is most likely originating from a 3 phase source via a
single phase xformer.

It is always from a three phase source. That's the way it comes from the
generators, although only one leg is generally used for distribution.

Where I live, one leg of the three phase ran the power for everyone on the
hill. When they needed to increase capacity, I paid for the third leg to be
installed while they were upgrading the service with the second leg. That's
how I ended up with three phase service in my shop, having had the primary
lines extended for over two miles.

Harold

 

[Harold and Susan Vordos]

"krw" <krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzz> wrote in message
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On Wed, 08 Jul 2009 18:39:31 -0400, Jamie
jamie_ka1lpa_not_valid_after_ka1lpa_@charter.net> wrote:

Doug Miller wrote:

In article <KLX4m.2006$cW.1746@newsreading01.news.tds.net>, "Harold and
Susan Vordos" <vordos@tds.net> wrote:

"Doug Miller" <spambait@milmac.com> wrote in message
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In article <VWY3m.1928$cW.1327@newsreading01.news.tds.net>, "Harold and
Susan Vordos" <vordos@tds.net> wrote:


The voltage declared indicates that the service is, indeed, delta.

Nonsense. 245VAC could *easily* be a [nominal] 240V single-phase
service.

Yes, it could be, but we're talking about industrial machinery,
generally
powered by three phase. I have serious doubts that a single phase CNC
would contain a $4,000 board when you can buy the machines for that
amount
of money.

I'm convinced the wiring in question is three phase. The only
remaining
question is whether it's delta or wye. Considering wye reads 208 volts
leg
to leg, I'm pretty sure its delta. You?


The point is that a measurement of 245V, in and of itself, is not proof
of
3-phase delta service. I measure 243V between the two legs of my
residential
service, and I'm quite sure that it's only single-phase.
How ever, it is most likely originating from a 3 phase source via a
single phase xformer.

What's that got to do with the price of oats in China?

Not a lot, but it may have a profound effect on the tariff on peanuts in
Brazil.

Harold