Driver to drive?

Paul Hovnanian P.E. · May 17, 2009

JosephKK wrote:

On Thu, 14 May 2009 12:20:24 -0800, "Paul Hovnanian P.E."
paul@hovnanian.com> wrote:

Nobody wrote:

On Thu, 14 May 2009 09:41:10 -0700, Paul Hovnanian P.E. wrote:

Actually, how are you supposed to pull away on the flat? I know that, in
practice, most people just use the footbrake. But if you do that on the UK
driving test, you'll fail; you're not supposed to release the handbrake
until the clutch bites (i.e. no freewheeling at any point).

[Note to Rich: heel-and-toe will also cause you to fail. Pedals aren't
supposed to be operated with the heel.]

You take the test with an automatic transmission.

If you do that in the UK, you get a driving licence only allows you to
drive vehicles with automatic transmission. This would be a significant
drawback when 90% of cars (and nearly all vans) have manual transmission,
so very few people do so.

Interesting. I didn't know they made such distinctions on licenses over
there.

Here in the USA, although we do have a 'commercial drivers license'
class for people who drive large trucks commercially, one can drive the
same sized vehicle for personal use (even licensed as a 'passenger car')
with no special license endorsements. Stick shifts, vehicle size,
trailers, nothing dealing with vehicle characteristics requires a
special license. Except motorcycles.

Not quite. It requires a higher level drivers' license to drive a
roadway vehicle with air brakes, or more than one trailer.

Tell that to the guy down the road with the Bluebird motor home
(essentially a Greyhound bus). No special driver's license needed. And
the bus is licensed as a passenger car.

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D from BC · May 17, 2009

On Sat, 16 May 2009 18:48:57 -0700,
"JosephKK"<quiettechblue@yahoo.com> wrote:

<snip>

Along the way i have met serious Christians who can clean your clock
in engineering. I strongly suspect that even i can beat you soundly.
These persons cleaned my clock repeatedly. They are a bit rare
though.

(Cut and pasted from 'Any Christian Electronics Designers Here')

Here's 5 ways to be a Christian electronics designer.

1) Ignorant of Christianity
'What? There's talking animals in the bible?'

2) Split personality.
Electronics mode (Dr Jekyll) and Christian mode (Mr Hyde).

3) Lying about being Christian
'I'm a fellow Christian. How about 20% off that oscilloscope?'

4) Fear of not being Christian
And miss out on those Christian women with big hooters?

And miss Christian BBQ's?

5) Crazy and Christian
'Please Jesus...make my transistor work.'

So yeah.. I believe there are Christians that are smarter than me.

D from BC
myrealaddress(at)comic(dot)com
BC, Canada
Posted to usenet sci.electronics.design

Michael A. Terrell · May 17, 2009

peterchoward69@gmail.com wrote:

It's sad that some of my friends had to give their all just so a fat
fucking faggot like you can post your wimpy bullshit posing as a
keyboard rambo. Wimp pussies like you were our toys in the bush. You
wouldn't last an hour in the outside without breaking down and crying
hysterically at the first ack-ack sound you heard. Everything I've
seen of you here id's you as a fudgepacking boohoo; nothing more.

You said: " Charlie had more honor and more character than a retarded
fuck like you will ever have."

I would really like to have a heart-to-heart with you on that. You
have no fucking idea what NVA/VC did. My Lai was nothing. Like I
said, wish you were there.

She would have crawled into a bodybag, first. Red shoes, and all.

--
You can't have a sense of humor, if you have no sense!

May 17, 2009

On May 15, 8:10 pm, Corbomite Carrie <Corbom...@maneuver.org> wrote:

On Fri, 15 May 2009 07:33:23 -0700 (PDT), peterchowar...@gmail.com wrote:
On May 14, 7:25 pm, Corbomite Carrie <Corbom...@maneuver.org> wrote:
On Thu, 14 May 2009 20:22:20 +0100, Baron <ba...@linuxmaniac.net> wrote:
Jim Thompson wrote:

On Thu, 14 May 2009 08:25:40 -0400, Rich Webb
bbew...@mapson.nozirev.ten> wrote:

On Thu, 14 May 2009 12:05:41 +0100, Baron
baron.nos...@linuxmaniac.nospam.net> wrote:

Corbomite Carrie Inscribed thus:
...
You are as retarded as it gets in Usenet, boy!

PLONK

There's no point in announcing you're plonking him; that's the
reaction he wants, apparently.

Nope. If everyone would plonk NymNuts instead of troll-feeding him,
he'd be dead meat.

Please! Everyone join in.

Even less point of plonking just one out of the
several dozen (really) sockpuppets he uses.

Michael Terrell has recently been posting lists of recent aliases. See
Message-ID: <uf2dnT7rjZ4_vZjXnZ2dnUVZ_o2dn...@earthlink.com> for one.

So if your nntp client can't filter on the fields necessary to discard
all of them, you can at least "prime" your killfile with known
aliases.

Agent users contact me directly for "Jim's secret sauce"... it's
easier to filter NymNuts than you think ;-)

...Jim Thompson

I'd like to sample the sauce ! ;-)

This absolute retard Baron isn't even using Agent, yet he responds to
the ThompsonTard to get help.

This Baron retard knows about as much about Usenet as Casey Anthony
does about wading through her shit puddle she put herself into. Fucking
NIL. He's not a Linux Maniac, he's a goddamned newbie Linux maniac wanna
be. Bwuahahahhaahhahahahha!- Hide quoted text -

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And you follow the Casey Anthony issue closely because it involves a
young child.

Your baseless conjecture is even more retarded than the last stupid post
you made, pussy boy.

You dream of all manner of kiddie porn, right creepo?

You need to refrain from looking in the mirror while you compose your
shithead petty pussy boy mouthings.

The thought of all that young flesh in nursery schools drive to to
swear off women, right?

You're an idiot.

Your end will come when an angered daddy sees
you watching his daughter and decides to slit off your puny dick and
stuff it down your throat.

You do know that gmail kills account like yours in a mere heartbeat for
stupid shit like this, right?

Just like we did back in the day to
charlie. How I wish you were there with me.

Charlie had more honor and more character than a retarded fuck like you
will ever have. A retarded fuck like you is very likely a proper
candidate for a war crimes tribunal. From your retarded remarks, that is
where an E-1 grade punk fuck retard like you belongs.

Sorry, chump, but you exposed yourself as a piece of shit right there..
You will never live that mistake down in this group. Expect it to be
brought up every time you decide to re-invade the group with more of your
retarded 4-F stupidity. Fuck off and die, you disgrace to the service.

I hope a boat person finds you and gives you back the behavior you
claim to have given his countrymen. You deserve a very slow, torturous
death for that stupidity. Nothing less. You have ZERO honor, and you
are a characterless bastard. This post you made here where you declare
what you did is evidence. You have admitted to committing crimes in
service. You will be reported, and I hope they investigate your retarded
ass. You define the word PUSSY, boy. You are what honorable servicemen
call a stain on the services.

Perhaps God will decide that what a chump, retarded PUSSY fuck like you
deserves senility and Alzheimers. That sure is what I am hoping for.

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It's sad that some of my friends had to give their all just so a fat
fucking faggot like you can post your wimpy bullshit posing as a
keyboard rambo. Wimp pussies like you were our toys in the bush. You
wouldn't last an hour in the outside without breaking down and crying
hysterically at the first ack-ack sound you heard. Everything I've
seen of you here id's you as a fudgepacking boohoo; nothing more.

You said: " Charlie had more honor and more character than a retarded
fuck like you will ever have."

I would really like to have a heart-to-heart with you on that. You
have no fucking idea what NVA/VC did. My Lai was nothing. Like I
said, wish you were there.

don · May 17, 2009

In what could prove to be a landmark discovery, a leading paleontologist
said scientists have dug up the 47 million-year-old fossil of an ancient
primate whose features suggest it could be the common ancestor of all
later monkeys, apes and humans.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124235632936122739.html

Fred Abse · May 17, 2009

On Sat, 16 May 2009 18:35:20 -0700, JosephKK wrote:

Punched tapes could reliably achieve this tightness of character
separation. Manual typists had much more jitter in start to start. The
system is truly asynchronous between characters. Intra character timing
was created by steady speed electromechanical means.

Most machines needed either CR-CR-LF or LF-CR-CR as end-of-line, adding a
delay, to allow the carriage or basket to fully return, otherwise you got
the first character of the next line printing whilst the carriage was
still flying.

That's the reason for the still-widespread CNC tape code using LF-CR-CR.
It was designed for ASR33s et al.

When all the "modern" magnetic and semiconductor media have lost data,
punched paper tape will still be readable, by humans if necessary.

--
"Electricity is of two kinds, positive and negative. The difference
is, I presume, that one comes a little more expensive, but is more
durable; the other is a cheaper thing, but the moths get into it."
(Stephen Leacock)

UltimatePatriot · May 17, 2009

On Sat, 16 May 2009 20:39:07 -0700 (PDT), peterchoward69@gmail.com wrote:

It's sad that some of my friends had to give their all just so a fat
fucking faggot like you can post your wimpy bullshit posing as a
keyboard rambo.

No such posture was ever taken, you retarded little criminal piece of
shit. After the shit you have posted here, I doubt that you even know
what an oath is.

Wimp pussies like you were our toys in the bush.

Dumb fucking retards like you do not know what a toy is.

You
wouldn't last an hour in the outside without breaking down and crying
hysterically at the first ack-ack sound you heard.

I was lighting off railroad torpedos (1/8 stick) and real M-80s (1/40th
stick) explosives back in the sixties and seventies as a kid. Loud
noises do not bother me. The study of ballistics and other things did
not bother me back then either... at age 10. I have since played with
real weapons.

Everything I've
seen of you here id's you as a fudgepacking boohoo; nothing more.

Show us where (cite) I ever said anything about being someone that
participated in or enjoyed anal sex. You cannot, because I never made
any such statement. All such baby bullshit has been posted by retarded,
E-1 grade bullshit babies just like you. So show us all where it was
that "you've seen" a goddamned thing, you fucking liar.

You said: " Charlie had more honor and more character than a retarded
fuck like you will ever have."

That is because a retarded fuck like you (an asswipe that disfigured
the enemy) (likely after they were dead, considering how much of a pussy
you are) is an honorless, characterless, retarded little bastard. Can
you even grasp that concept, you admitted war criminal bastard?

I would really like to have a heart-to-heart with you on that.

You declared that you disfigured your enemy. You need to have a heart
to heart with a war crimes tribunal, you stupid fuck.

You
have no fucking idea what NVA/VC did.

I most certainly do have an EXACT idea. You have no idea how much you
have disgraced your uniform by acting just as low as those of them that
did the same things. Your observance of their bad behavior did not give
your or any of your fellow servicemen the right to behave just as they
did. I know this is hard for you, but it is the truth.

I know it is hard for you to grapple with, old man... but I am the one
in the right on this.

You over stepped, fuckhead. You will never live down what you did
then, and you are also responsible for any discussion now that shows you
for the piece of shit you are, because YOU brought it up.

So yeah... Thanks for your original oath. Fuck you for forgetting it,
and performing acts that dishonor and disgrace the uniform and your
fellow men in service.

Now, let' see if you have enough brains to see your mistakes. ALL of
them.

My Lai was nothing. Like I
said, wish you were there.

You still don't get it. Maybe in your next life... if God gives you
one.

UltimatePatriot · May 17, 2009

On Sun, 17 May 2009 05:47:26 -0700 (PDT), peterchoward69@gmail.com wrote:

On May 17, 7:10 am, UltimatePatriot
UltimatePatr...@thebestcountry.org> wrote:

Scumbags like you still think that war is like a John Wayne movie.
There's a bang, a soldier is hit by a bullet, he clutches his wound
and falls down dead. There's no blood, no guts, no pain, no agonizing
screams, no continued shots taken by the enemy at the now-still
target.

You have no knowledge what anyone here thinks a war is.

And the enemy may turn out to be a 12-year old kid, the AK
being the great aging equalizer. I learned to blow that 12-year old
gook away every time without hesitation; it's why I am alive today.

Good for you. I do not have a problem with that.

Assholes like you don't know that it was the press and war protesters
who happily bathed in news of American 'atrocities' when they happened

My beef isn't about that either.

rarely while there was never any reporting about the enemy atrocities
because they happened daily

I had friends all through the seventies that had returned from the war.
I am quite aware of what took place.

- and I do mean every single day.

And I do mean I know about it already.

So fuck
you "ultimatepatriot". What a fucking misnomer that name is!

You have no clue. Seems you forgot your oath... again... already as
well.

I spat
on pussy boys like you who crawled into every hole they could find
short of their own asshole

Forgot your oath then as well, eh? Oh boy! And to think that my
friends died and you survived.

- and they would eventually go there if
they could. You righteous pricks never had to deal with the horrors
that were inches away from me.

You have no knowledge of my righteousness, nor my capacity to serve,
nor my history of service.

You're probably one of the useless
faggots who cry about our rough interrogations today.

Check my record. I have said some of the worst insults a man can give
the ObamaTard. If he tries to tax my soda pop, I'm going to call for his
ouster. That is aside from all the other stupid things he's already
done. So you are fucking wrong about that as well, dumbass.

Interrogations
that get information that saves American lives are good
interrogations.

I do not need a primer, dumbfuck.

War is war - not a fucking parlor game with rules
that everybody must obey. Being "civil" and playing by rules in war
is stupid. If you take two VC up about 800 feet in a Huey and ask
them when the next attack is coming, they smile and spit in your face
thinking that those rules will protect them - the same rules that they
ignore when they open up on a village. Well guess what? You throw
one of them out the door and you cannot stop the flow of good intel
spilling out from the other guys mouth.

Imagine that. Are you sure it was good intel? I'll bet I could have
had both of them feeding me even more 'good intel'.

You are a fucking disgrace

No. Im an honorable ex-serviceman, and you had better watch your ass,
because you cannot make that claim if you were "cutting the dicks off the
enemy and chocking him to death with it". as you stated you did.

and unworthy of existing here at the expense of real patriots.

Be careful, boy.

I piss
on you and invite others to do as well.

Was that also a part of your oath? Oh, that's right... you do not
know what an oath is either.

You are the lowest scum on
earth.

Yet I still rise miles above you.

May 17, 2009

On May 17, 7:10 am, UltimatePatriot
<UltimatePatr...@thebestcountry.org> wrote:

Scumbags like you still think that war is like a John Wayne movie.
There's a bang, a soldier is hit by a bullet, he clutches his wound
and falls down dead. There's no blood, no guts, no pain, no agonizing
screams, no continued shots taken by the enemy at the now-still
target. And the enemy may turn out to be a 12-year old kid, the AK
being the great aging equalizer. I learned to blow that 12-year old
gook away every time without hesitation; it's why I am alive today.
Assholes like you don't know that it was the press and war protesters
who happily bathed in news of American 'atrocities' when they happened
rarely while there was never any reporting about the enemy atrocities
because they happened daily - and I do mean every single day. So fuck
you "ultimatepatriot". What a fucking misnomer that name is! I spat
on pussy boys like you who crawled into every hole they could find
short of their own asshole - and they would eventually go there if
they could. You righteous pricks never had to deal with the horrors
that were inches away from me. You're probably one of the useless
faggots who cry about our rough interrogations today. Interrogations
that get information that saves American lives are good
interrogations. War is war - not a fucking parlor game with rules
that everybody must obey. Being "civil" and playing by rules in war
is stupid. If you take two VC up about 800 feet in a Huey and ask
them when the next attack is coming, they smile and spit in your face
thinking that those rules will protect them - the same rules that they
ignore when they open up on a village. Well guess what? You throw
one of them out the door and you cannot stop the flow of good intel
spilling out from the other guys mouth. You are a fucking disgrace
and unworthy of existing here at the expense of real patriots. I piss
on you and invite others to do as well. You are the lowest scum on
earth.

Jim Thompson · May 17, 2009

On Sat, 16 May 2009 10:22:45 -0700, Fred Abse
<excretatauris@invalid.invalid> wrote:

On Sat, 16 May 2009 09:34:46 -0700, Jim Thompson wrote:

Could the first "space" be made long?

The first space is the start bit from which the sample timing originates.
It's the usual start/stop protocol: One start bit, five NRZ data bits, 1.5
stop bits. The start bit trips the clutch that starts the reading
mechanism, which samples the position of the selector magnet at fixed
intervals. The mechanism resets after 5 bit intervals and the clutch
disengages. You can regard the idle condition as one long continuous stop
signal, it's actually only 1.5 bit intervals between successive characters
in a string.

Most machines have an adjustment to set the sampling window relative to
the start so as to get the sample on the flat part of the pulses.

I once had a teletype as printer for a TRS-80 (remember those?), using the
cassette motor relay for signaling. I think I've still got the Z80
assembly code somewhere.

Andrew · May 17, 2009

This program suggests--and finds geologic evidence to support--
that a comet hit plunged the earth into a deep freeze, causing
the last great extinction.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/clovis/

"NARRATOR: Thirteen-thousand years ago, the Earth's climate was not unlike
ours today. But then, suddenly, it changed radically. It was mysteriously
thrown back into the Ice Age, and some of the greatest animals that have
ever lived vanished:[...]"

Maybe we should start a strategic CO2 reserve, just in case...

Total human industrial CO2 production, primarily from
use of coal, oil, and natural gas and the production of cement, is currently
about 8 Gt C per year (7,56,57).
....
the atmosphere contains 780 Gt C; the surface ocean contains 1,000 Gt C;
vegetation, soils, and detritus contain 2,000 Gt C; and the intermediate
and deep oceans contain 38,000 Gt C, as CO2 or CO2 hydration
products.

Each year, the surface ocean and atmosphere exchange an
estimated 90 Gt C; vegetation and the atmosphere, 100 Gt C; marine
biota and the surface ocean, 50 Gt C; and the surface ocean and the
intermediate and deep oceans, 40 Gt C (56,57).
....
7. Marland, G., Boden, T. A., and Andres, R. J. (2007) Global, Regional, and
National CO2 Emissions.
In Trends: http://cdiac.ornl.gov

56. Schimel, D. S. (1995) Global Change Biology 1, 77-91.
57. Houghton, R. A. (2007) Annual Review of Earth and Plan etary Sciences
35, 313-347.

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http://www.ucsusa.org/assets/images/gw/Top-20-CO2-emitters.gif

Stop Chinese communists from killing Earth!

--
Andrew

Andrew · May 17, 2009

"John E." <incognito@xbjcd.com> wrote in message
news:0001HW.C62DC048040CDF96B04709AF@news.sf.sbcglobal.net...

Why do we want to put humans back on the moon?

Employment. Ya gotta spend $$ to employ all those hands.

Ever since the end of WW II the best our government can come up with is 1)
build military stuff and 2) build space stuff.

Not build, but purchase from (kind of) private enterprises with money
extracted from you.

--
Andrew

Andrew · May 17, 2009

"Jim Yanik" <jyanik@abuse.gov

John E. <incognito@xbjcd.com

Ever since the end of WW II the best our government can come up with
is 1) build military stuff and 2) build space stuff.

the space race was a great spur for electronics and medical.

For example?

and it creates good paying,productive jobs.

BS. To create this jobs money was taken from creating other good paying,
productive jobs.

How much are YOU willing to spend on space programs? Send a check to NASA.

--
Andrew

John Larkin · May 17, 2009

On Tue, 12 May 2009 01:04:52 -0500, flipper <flipper@fish.net> wrote:

On Mon, 11 May 2009 09:32:01 GMT, James Arthur
bogusabdsqy@verizon.net> wrote:

flipper wrote:
On Sat, 09 May 2009 19:50:14 -0700, John Larkin
jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:

On Sat, 09 May 2009 21:06:41 -0500, flipper <flipper@fish.net> wrote:

I'll do you even better. Data shows the world has been in a warming
trend since it exited the LIA.

I suppose that's why it's no longer the LIA. You know, cold... ice
age.... warmer... not ice age.
Geez, quit getting technical. I hate it when people get technical.

John

Hehe. Yeah, I've been accused of that before

At the risk of even further technical confusion, AGW proponents often
claim a desire to "save the planet."

Well, if that's what they want then they're working in the wrong
direction because we are currently on the cold, cold, depleted CO2,
side of the planetary life range.

If you look over the past 500 million years, only 1 or 2C lower, and
150 or so ppm less CO2, is associated with large scale gaciation and
mass extinctions with 10C to 12C warmer, and 1600ppm more CO2, being
the periods of flourishing life and maximum bio diversity.

Or, to put it bluntly, we're only 1C to 2C of cooling, and a smidgen
less CO2, away from a planetary catastrophe exceeding even biblical
proportions but we're quite a ways down from being hot enough for the
historical 'life giving' bio diversity planet lovers so often speak
of.

This program suggests--and finds geologic evidence to support--
that a comet hit plunged the earth into a deep freeze, causing
the last great extinction.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/clovis/

"NARRATOR: Thirteen-thousand years ago, the Earth's climate was not
unlike ours today. But then, suddenly, it changed radically. It was
mysteriously thrown back into the Ice Age, and some of the greatest
animals that have ever lived vanished:[...]"

Well, that's a bummer, isn't it?

Hard to believe that one will get much traction, though, because it
can't be blamed on man.

You know we killed them off. You just know it.

Bastards.

Maybe we should start a strategic CO2 reserve, just in case...

Cheers,
James Arthur

I'd kill myself out of sheer guilt if I could be sure my carbon would
be properly sequestered.

Hey, that could be an interesting business, carbon-neutral cremation.

John

John Larkin · May 17, 2009

On Sun, 17 May 2009 10:41:54 -0700, John Larkin
<jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:

On Tue, 12 May 2009 01:04:52 -0500, flipper <flipper@fish.net> wrote:

On Mon, 11 May 2009 09:32:01 GMT, James Arthur
bogusabdsqy@verizon.net> wrote:

flipper wrote:
On Sat, 09 May 2009 19:50:14 -0700, John Larkin
jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:

On Sat, 09 May 2009 21:06:41 -0500, flipper <flipper@fish.net> wrote:

I'll do you even better. Data shows the world has been in a warming
trend since it exited the LIA.

I suppose that's why it's no longer the LIA. You know, cold... ice
age.... warmer... not ice age.
Geez, quit getting technical. I hate it when people get technical.

John

Hehe. Yeah, I've been accused of that before

At the risk of even further technical confusion, AGW proponents often
claim a desire to "save the planet."

Well, if that's what they want then they're working in the wrong
direction because we are currently on the cold, cold, depleted CO2,
side of the planetary life range.

If you look over the past 500 million years, only 1 or 2C lower, and
150 or so ppm less CO2, is associated with large scale gaciation and
mass extinctions with 10C to 12C warmer, and 1600ppm more CO2, being
the periods of flourishing life and maximum bio diversity.

Or, to put it bluntly, we're only 1C to 2C of cooling, and a smidgen
less CO2, away from a planetary catastrophe exceeding even biblical
proportions but we're quite a ways down from being hot enough for the
historical 'life giving' bio diversity planet lovers so often speak
of.

This program suggests--and finds geologic evidence to support--
that a comet hit plunged the earth into a deep freeze, causing
the last great extinction.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/clovis/

"NARRATOR: Thirteen-thousand years ago, the Earth's climate was not
unlike ours today. But then, suddenly, it changed radically. It was
mysteriously thrown back into the Ice Age, and some of the greatest
animals that have ever lived vanished:[...]"

Well, that's a bummer, isn't it?

Hard to believe that one will get much traction, though, because it
can't be blamed on man.

You know we killed them off. You just know it.

Bastards.

Maybe we should start a strategic CO2 reserve, just in case...

Cheers,
James Arthur

I'd kill myself out of sheer guilt if I could be sure my carbon would
be properly sequestered.

Hey, that could be an interesting business, carbon-neutral cremation.

John

Oh darn, it's been done:

http://www.funerals.coop/

http://www.australianwomenonline.com/carbon-neutral-cremations/

John

Jim Yanik · May 17, 2009

"Andrew" <andyvbel@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:gupgbm$uk6$1@news.netins.net:

"Jim Yanik" <jyanik@abuse.gov
John E. <incognito@xbjcd.com

Ever since the end of WW II the best our government can come up with
is 1) build military stuff and 2) build space stuff.

the space race was a great spur for electronics and medical.

For example?

where do you think miniaturized electronics came from?
Medical was all sorts of monitoring/diagnostic gear.
consumer products benefitted greatly from space.

and it creates good paying,productive jobs.

BS. To create this jobs money was taken from creating other good
paying, productive jobs.

For example?
(IMO,it would have gone to social programs;welfare,etc,with a corresponding
decline in the society,and a huge increase in gov't paper-pushing jobs.)

How much are YOU willing to spend on space programs? Send a check to
NASA.

I do when I pay my taxes.

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net

Jim Yanik · May 17, 2009

"Andrew" <andyvbel@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:gupg28$ud5$2@news.netins.net:

"John E." <incognito@xbjcd.com> wrote in message
news:0001HW.C62DC048040CDF96B04709AF@news.sf.sbcglobal.net...
Why do we want to put humans back on the moon?

Employment. Ya gotta spend $$ to employ all those hands.

Ever since the end of WW II the best our government can come up with
is 1) build military stuff and 2) build space stuff.

Not build, but purchase from (kind of) private enterprises with money
extracted from you.

Ah,there's the good paying private sector jobs....

How do you figure "kind of" private enterprises?
Are you claiming gov't owns some part of them,or controls them like Obummer
is doing today?

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
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Don Klipstein · May 17, 2009

In article <gupg27$ud5$1@news.netins.net>, Andrew wrote:

<SNIP to here>

Maybe we should start a strategic CO2 reserve, just in case...

Total human industrial CO2 production, primarily from
use of coal, oil, and natural gas and the production of cement, is currently
about 8 Gt C per year (7,56,57).
...
the atmosphere contains 780 Gt C; the surface ocean contains 1,000 Gt C;
vegetation, soils, and detritus contain 2,000 Gt C; and the intermediate
and deep oceans contain 38,000 Gt C, as CO2 or CO2 hydration
products.

Each year, the surface ocean and atmosphere exchange an
estimated 90 Gt C; vegetation and the atmosphere, 100 Gt C; marine
biota and the surface ocean, 50 Gt C; and the surface ocean and the
intermediate and deep oceans, 40 Gt C (56,57).

Though there are annual exchanges, most of your figures sound like
they are for annual exchanges that occur somewhat equally in both
directions within each year.

As for *net change* each year for various reservoirs of carbon/CO2:

http://lgmacweb.env.uea.ac.uk/lequere/co2/carbon_budget.htm

- Don Klipstein (don@misty.com)

MooseFET · May 17, 2009

On May 11, 11:45 am, John E. <incogn...@xbjcd.com> wrote:

Why do we want to put humans back on the moon?

Employment. Ya gotta spend $$ to employ all those hands.

Ever since the end of WW II the best our government can come up with is 1)
build military stuff and 2) build space stuff.

That is simply not true. Building things like the interstate highway
system was a far better use of dollars. It left the economy with
something useful as a result.

Getting the young to stay in school an extra year or two to learn
useful stuff also is a good way to spend money. It keeps people out
of the labor pool today and results in a better educated work force in
the future.

--
John English

Don Klipstein · May 18, 2009

In <ragi05102reqvfi26bd334018mo673k78m@4ax.com>, Raveninghorde wrote:

<SNIP to here>

No Wikipedia contributor has bothered to keep the graph up to date.
Therefore the data is duff and shows Wikipedia is not a reliable
source on this topic.

My experience is that Wikipedia has the "first graph" in their article
on "Global Warming" well-updated. The update appears to me to be annual
and occurring during the 2nd-4th month or so of each year.

The biggest disappointment to me is that when it was updated to include
entire-year data for 2008, it was changed from HadCRUT-3 to GISS.

I have some memory (questionable) that a few years ago it was GISS, and
changed from GISS to HadCRUT-3.

Rather than changing which index of global surface temperature to use, I
prefer to stick with one, or to show both that they have used. This will
require an adjustment since HadCRUT-3 uses 1961-1990 as "baseline" and
GISS uses 1951-1980 as "baseline", with the "baselines" roughly .1 degree
C apart.

- Don Klipstein (don@misty.com)

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