Driver to drive?

or just get your congresscritters to bring back this:

H.R. 251:


Truth in Caller ID Act of 2007

To amend the Communications Act of 1934 to prohibit manipulation of
caller identification information, and for other purposes.


We got blasted here so bad in our little broken "swing" state that
I lost one hookswitch to fatigue failure.

By both sides, but Obama, clearly dominated.

Steve

 

[Robert Baer]

Jim Thompson wrote:

On Wed, 10 Dec 2008 11:55:15 -0700, Jim Thompson
To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@My-Web-Site.com> wrote:

[snip]

With "kill" based on CID I just thought of another feature:

At the 12th ring my phone rolls to voice mail. Set system for
allowing 11 rings for 800 numbers then "answer" (off hook for a few
seconds), prevents 800 crap in the voice mail ;-)

...Jim Thompson


New thoughts...

"Please hold for the next available agent.

While you are waiting please listen carefully to the following
choices:

If you calling from a call center located outside the United States,
stop deluding yourself that you live in an English-speaking country.
You don't speak proper English! Hang up NOW!

..."

Please add your thoughts ;-)

...Jim Thompson
Nice joke, BUT...

99.9+ percent of junk callers *hang up* so fast that they cannot hear
a rapidly-stated "don't call".
That makes *any* kind of sensible respone useless.
The 3 magic tones played on *immediate* CID detection, followed by
any (useless) response other than a dial tone should be the default option.

 

[Robert Baer]

Greegor wrote:

The three tones referred to several times are
the three tones associated with a disconnected
or unavailable number message right?
* YES!

Many teleservices companies use computerized
callers that kill the number on the list when they
pick that up. I have noticed that some of the
auto callers that play canned messages
respond to a 2 or 3 by reading out your phone
number and announcing that it's being removed
from their list. This sounds good but of
course there is no way of knowing if they
actually do.
* If they remove your number from their shitlist, that is all to the good.

More and more I'm getting irked with
faked caller ID.
* Tell me about it.

The worst is when the CID shows no number and no (useful) ID and the
caller uses a recorded message (and *NO* way to talk back).

Script kiddies with Linux and some VOIP services
are able to impersonate CID to look like anybody.
I know of one geek who has used this to harass,
order pizza, etc. and even used this to
fake out the Police in other cities on the
non emergency number. Real scumbag.

Big teleservices call centers are more and more
using their ISDN to present bogus CID as well.
There are teleservices companies who use
this option responsibly, but more and more are
using it in a way that more closely resembles fraud.

Ironically one of the best ways to unmask
and ID the VOIP jerk is to use ISDN (or trunk?)
which can access the system internal and not
fakable counterpart of Caller ID.

In THEORY the Police non emergency
number could access this information
rather than the bogus "presented" CID.

Perhaps I'm just crabby about the
caller ID fakery and longing to ID the
VOIP caller ID fakery jerk.

How impractical is it really for an individual
or small business to have access to this
internal and not fakable ID information?
* Verry interesting question, hopefully with a reasonable answer.

Otherwise I like the idea of faking the
three tone ""disconnected message""
AND trying a long DTMF 2 and long DTMF 3
* What are these "long DTMF 2" and "long DTMF 3" signals?

Happy new year!

 

[Keith]

On Wed, 31 Dec 2008 23:09:57 -0800 (PST), osr@uakron.edu wrote:

or just get your congresscritters to bring back this:

H.R. 251:


Truth in Caller ID Act of 2007

To amend the Communications Act of 1934 to prohibit manipulation of
caller identification information, and for other purposes.


We got blasted here so bad in our little broken "swing" state that
I lost one hookswitch to fatigue failure.

By both sides, but Obama, clearly dominated.

Obama bin Laden's henchmen called my cell phone at least twenty times.
Trust me, I have no "business relationship" with them either.

 

[Michael]

Jim Thompson wrote:

On Wed, 10 Dec 2008 11:55:15 -0700, Jim Thompson
To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@My-Web-Site.com> wrote:

[snip]

With "kill" based on CID I just thought of another feature:

At the 12th ring my phone rolls to voice mail. Set system for
allowing 11 rings for 800 numbers then "answer" (off hook for a few
seconds), prevents 800 crap in the voice mail ;-)

...Jim Thompson

New thoughts...

"Please hold for the next available agent.

While you are waiting please listen carefully to the following
choices:

If you calling from a call center located outside the United States,
stop deluding yourself that you live in an English-speaking country.
You don't speak proper English! Hang up NOW!

..."

Please add your thoughts ;-)

...Jim Thompson

I keep all phone ringers switched OFF all the time; answering machine picks op on ring #3 (it offers
no alternative number of rings, darn it) and plays "This is ###-####. Please leave a message."
Family and friends know that I monitor calls, holler (something like), "It's Joe. Pick up!", and
chatter to keep answering machine off-hook for the 15 seconds it takes me to winch my butt out of my
chair and get across the the room to the phone.

Telemarketers (pfffft! p-tooey!!) never say anything, so their calling don't affect me at all.

---
Michael

 

[Michael]

christofire wrote:
(snip)

One might be excused for thinking that many of those located inside the
United States (of America) 'don't speak proper English'.

'English US' ... sure!

Chris

Well... ya know... I mean ... like, wha'cher point? ;-)

Americans: Tune in "News Hour" on PBS, listen to the long discussions and count the number of times
a guest's response begins with:
1) "Well"
2) "I mean"
3) "Ya know"
4) all of the above

---
Michael

 

[Michael A. Terrell]

Keith wrote:

On Wed, 31 Dec 2008 23:09:57 -0800 (PST), osr@uakron.edu wrote:

or just get your congresscritters to bring back this:

H.R. 251:


Truth in Caller ID Act of 2007

To amend the Communications Act of 1934 to prohibit manipulation of
caller identification information, and for other purposes.


We got blasted here so bad in our little broken "swing" state that
I lost one hookswitch to fatigue failure.

By both sides, but Obama, clearly dominated.

Obama bin Laden's henchmen called my cell phone at least twenty times.
Trust me, I have no "business relationship" with them either.

I told them I was voting for the candidate who called me the least
number of times, and any time they woke me with a call, I counted it as
three.


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[Jim Thompson]

On Thu, 01 Jan 2009 17:14:27 GMT, Michael <NoSpam@att.net> wrote:

christofire wrote:
(snip)

One might be excused for thinking that many of those located inside the
United States (of America) 'don't speak proper English'.

'English US' ... sure!

Chris

Well... ya know... I mean ... like, wha'cher point? ;-)

Americans: Tune in "News Hour" on PBS, listen to the long discussions and count the number of times
a guest's response begins with:
1) "Well"
2) "I mean"
3) "Ya know"
4) all of the above

---
Michael

Or, in Obama's case, "Uh... uh... uh............"

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[Michael A. Terrell]

Jim Thompson wrote:

On Thu, 01 Jan 2009 17:14:27 GMT, Michael <NoSpam@att.net> wrote:



christofire wrote:
(snip)

One might be excused for thinking that many of those located inside the
United States (of America) 'don't speak proper English'.

'English US' ... sure!

Chris

Well... ya know... I mean ... like, wha'cher point? ;-)

Americans: Tune in "News Hour" on PBS, listen to the long discussions and count the number of times
a guest's response begins with:
1) "Well"
2) "I mean"
3) "Ya know"
4) all of the above

---
Michael

Or, in Obama's case, "Uh... uh... uh............"

You left out: 'Corporate taxes will continue to increase, until
morale improves'.


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[Jim Thompson]

On Thu, 1 Jan 2009 12:16:57 -0800 (PST), osr@uakron.edu wrote:

This months Circuit Cellar has a nice article on a Atmel Mega based SD
card reader, writer. It doesn't use fat 32 which I see as a advantage
for this application. It makes all the card appear as a huge
sequential databuffer, but it does do block reads. So for four
dollars for a chip and crystal, and two dollars for a SD socket, plus
the SD card the local photo place was nlowing out for three bucks, you
have a heck of a capable memory. Since blacklisted or whitelisted
numbers go in, but don't go out, I see no reason to not just put them
on the card somewhat sequentially. This means you need a sorting
algorithm via exchange or area code, ie so the micro doesn't have go
look at all the possible blacklists (or whitelist)

The next building block would be say, AVRUSB, for the programing part.
I've had good luck using the AVR as a simple USB device, except on
certain Toshiba laptops, and even then, on the machines that dont
quite like atmel bit banged USB, inserting a powered hub between the
Atmel and the computer has cured the problem. This way the device
shows up as either a HID, or a serial device for programming, so you
could talk to it with hyperterminal.

So now you have a proposed memory system and a means to talk to it via
windows if needed.

refs:

www.obdev.at/products/avrusb/index.html

Circuit Cellar #221 DEC 2008 PG 33

The SD card sockets are available in small Qs from Sparkfun.com

Steve Roberts

We're getting closer!!

Thanks for the suggestions!

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This months Circuit Cellar has a nice article on a Atmel Mega based SD
card reader, writer. It doesn't use fat 32 which I see as a advantage
for this application. It makes all the card appear as a huge
sequential databuffer, but it does do block reads. So for four
dollars for a chip and crystal, and two dollars for a SD socket, plus
the SD card the local photo place was nlowing out for three bucks, you
have a heck of a capable memory. Since blacklisted or whitelisted
numbers go in, but don't go out, I see no reason to not just put them
on the card somewhat sequentially. This means you need a sorting
algorithm via exchange or area code, ie so the micro doesn't have go
look at all the possible blacklists (or whitelist)

The next building block would be say, AVRUSB, for the programing part.
I've had good luck using the AVR as a simple USB device, except on
certain Toshiba laptops, and even then, on the machines that dont
quite like atmel bit banged USB, inserting a powered hub between the
Atmel and the computer has cured the problem. This way the device
shows up as either a HID, or a serial device for programming, so you
could talk to it with hyperterminal.

So now you have a proposed memory system and a means to talk to it via
windows if needed.

refs:

www.obdev.at/products/avrusb/index.html

Circuit Cellar #221 DEC 2008 PG 33

The SD card sockets are available in small Qs from Sparkfun.com

Steve Roberts

 

[Frank Buss]

osr@uakron.edu wrote:

Possible Sorting structure. 1 Gbyte SD
I'm trying to think of a way to divide up a 1 gig card so the
microcontroller can run a fast bubble sort. I am not a mathmatician.
I hate math. So I'm looking for a simple elegant way by dividing up
the virtual disk into "sectors with subsectors" to minimize search
times. It does no good for the micro to need more then 5 seconds to
search for a incoming number..

If you just want to search for a number, use a binary search algorithm. For
sorting big arrays, bubble sort is terrible, because you need O(n^2) steps
and it needs many reads and writes, which is very slow for SD cards. Use
quick sort.

BTW: It's not good to hate math for electronics and programming. I don't
know much about math, but I like it, e.g. see my last paper and source code
for calculating the magnetic field:
http://www.frank-buss.de/magnetfeld/index.html (sorry, it is in German)

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Possible Sorting structure. 1 Gbyte SD
I'm trying to think of a way to divide up a 1 gig card so the
microcontroller can run a fast bubble sort. I am not a mathmatician.
I hate math. So I'm looking for a simple elegant way by dividing up
the virtual disk into "sectors with subsectors" to minimize search
times. It does no good for the micro to need more then 5 seconds to
search for a incoming number..


North American Numbering Plan.
Area codes:


(2-9)(0-8)(0-9) = 7 * 9 * 10 = 6300 simple directories on the
disk?


You have 8 million possible numbers per area code.

The Wiki (cringe) is here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_Numbering_Plan

It gets worse if the CID gives you country codes and overlays.

Do you just get the 10 digit dialing sequence or is it worse? Do
locals only show up as XXX-NNNN without the area code? I don't know, I
don't have CID, and where I worked before had a PBX with a complex
display system.

Something to think about!

Steve Roberts

 

how about this:

http://jfteck.com/Q_A.htm

Steve

 

[krw]

On Fri, 2 Jan 2009 01:44:03 +0100, Frank Buss <fb@frank-buss.de>
wrote:

osr@uakron.edu wrote:

Possible Sorting structure. 1 Gbyte SD
I'm trying to think of a way to divide up a 1 gig card so the
microcontroller can run a fast bubble sort. I am not a mathmatician.
I hate math. So I'm looking for a simple elegant way by dividing up
the virtual disk into "sectors with subsectors" to minimize search
times. It does no good for the micro to need more then 5 seconds to
search for a incoming number..

If you just want to search for a number, use a binary search algorithm. For
sorting big arrays, bubble sort is terrible, because you need O(n^2) steps
and it needs many reads and writes, which is very slow for SD cards. Use
quick sort.

Unless there is a good chance your data is already sorted, which it
often is. In this case, a bubble sort isn't all that bad.

BTW: It's not good to hate math for electronics and programming. I don't
know much about math, but I like it, e.g. see my last paper and source code
for calculating the magnetic field:
http://www.frank-buss.de/magnetfeld/index.html (sorry, it is in German)

 

[Jim Thompson]

On Thu, 1 Jan 2009 16:25:37 -0800 (PST), osr@uakron.edu wrote:

Possible Sorting structure. 1 Gbyte SD
I'm trying to think of a way to divide up a 1 gig card so the
microcontroller can run a fast bubble sort. I am not a mathmatician.
I hate math. So I'm looking for a simple elegant way by dividing up
the virtual disk into "sectors with subsectors" to minimize search
times. It does no good for the micro to need more then 5 seconds to
search for a incoming number..


North American Numbering Plan.
Area codes:


(2-9)(0-8)(0-9) = 7 * 9 * 10 = 6300 simple directories on the
disk?


You have 8 million possible numbers per area code.

The Wiki (cringe) is here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_Numbering_Plan

It gets worse if the CID gives you country codes and overlays.

Do you just get the 10 digit dialing sequence or is it worse? Do
locals only show up as XXX-NNNN without the area code? I don't know, I
don't have CID, and where I worked before had a PBX with a complex
display system.

Something to think about!

Steve Roberts

And some special cases: area codes... 800, 888, 877 & 866 and planned
expansion to 855, 844, 833 & 822, should be blanket-blocked.

I'd also blanket-block any "Unavailable" or "Out of Area" calls as
well.

Those, alone, would trim down a lot of the pain ;-)

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[Frank Buss]

krw wrote:

Unless there is a good chance your data is already sorted, which it
often is. In this case, a bubble sort isn't all that bad.

If it is already sorted, bubble sort is still a bad idea for inserting new
items, because you still need many read and writes. If new entries needs to
be added on a SD card, something like a balanced tree would be better.

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[krw]

On Fri, 2 Jan 2009 02:01:05 +0100, Frank Buss <fb@frank-buss.de>
wrote:

krw wrote:

Unless there is a good chance your data is already sorted, which it
often is. In this case, a bubble sort isn't all that bad.

If it is already sorted, bubble sort is still a bad idea for inserting new
items, because you still need many read and writes. If new entries needs to
be added on a SD card, something like a balanced tree would be better.

True. My point was that the possibility shouln't be ignored just
because it was the first sort most have done and considered
"inelegant" by the script kiddies. It's still useful (and simple .

 

[Robert Baer]

osr@uakron.edu wrote:

Possible Sorting structure. 1 Gbyte SD
I'm trying to think of a way to divide up a 1 gig card so the
microcontroller can run a fast bubble sort. I am not a mathmatician.
I hate math. So I'm looking for a simple elegant way by dividing up
the virtual disk into "sectors with subsectors" to minimize search
times. It does no good for the micro to need more then 5 seconds to
search for a incoming number..


North American Numbering Plan.
Area codes:


(2-9)(0-8)(0-9) = 7 * 9 * 10 = 6300 simple directories on the
disk?


You have 8 million possible numbers per area code.

The Wiki (cringe) is here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_Numbering_Plan

It gets worse if the CID gives you country codes and overlays.

Do you just get the 10 digit dialing sequence or is it worse? Do
locals only show up as XXX-NNNN without the area code? I don't know, I
don't have CID, and where I worked before had a PBX with a complex
display system.

Something to think about!

Steve Roberts





The CID i have "courtesy" of (ugh!) Qwest, gives area code and number

(10 digits) if out of area; gives only number (7 digits) if in area.

For the whitelist, it would seem an allocation of 128 locations would
be sufficent; for eXplicit blacklist, nominally zero locations are
needed (think about it).

 

[Robert Baer]

osr@uakron.edu wrote:

how about this:

http://jfteck.com/Q_A.htm

Steve
*VERY* close, but...

Q: What does the caller hear? Does it just ring like you're not home or
do they hear a message that they're been blocked?
A: On their end, they will hear it ringing as if you're not home, and to
them it will appear as if your phone is ringing, but your phone will not
ring.
Which is *NOT* the response i want; i want *immediate* pickup on
undesirable CID with the 3 magic tones and (at minimum) immediate
hangup; ideally reverse polarity for (say) 5 minutes (to fix those
bastards that freeze lines).