Driver to drive?

[John Crighton]

On Fri, 05 Nov 2004 15:37:41 GMT, Bob Stephens
<stephensyomamadigital@earthlink.net> wrote:

On Fri, 05 Nov 2004 01:34:56 GMT, John Crighton wrote:

Bob,
what union or association looks after your interests
when you are on the job?

I don't know if you are genuinly interested to discuss
difference between American unions and Australian
unions, I am.

Your "we should be so lucky comment" what does
that mean. Maybe you are just having a wee slag
and a chuckle. Share the joke if there is one.

I ask again, what trade union or associations have you
been a member?

Regards,
John Crighton
Sydney

John,

My experience with unions has always been on the receiving end. And usually
painful. For 20 years I ran a business providing engineering upgrades to
flight simulators where my customers were primarily US based major
airlines. In the US, the traditionally structured carriers are completely
hamstrung by self-serving, tunnel-visioned trade unions. I'm under the gun
now at work, but will elaborate further later if you are interested.

Yes, I am interested to hear your first hand
details. Not hearsay stories though.

One other quick example, we recently had a supermarket checker strike in
Southern California. Someone earlier said that "those who dissent get
hurt", well in this case *Everybody* got hurt. These poor lemmings were out
of work for months over a relatively minor health care co-pay issue. The
union bosses - having nothing to lose- kept the poor sods on the picket
line long after the union compensation fund ran out, and many of the rank
and filers went bust, lost houses and so forth, and ended up not getting
anything to show for it in the end!

pathetic

Bob Stephens

Bob, that example is a hearsay story if you were not present
at the meetings and listened in on the discussions between
the workers involved and the union organiser who advises
the workers. I have no idea where you got it from but beware
of what you read in newspapers.

I have been present at incidents that were later reported in
newspapers and could have sworn that the paper was reporting
on some other incident, not the one I saw. Newspapers
twist, exaggerate and leave out important facts to make
an interesting *story*

Regards,
John Crighton
Sydney

 

[John Crighton]

On Fri, 05 Nov 2004 19:51:20 GMT, "Clarence" <no@No.com> wrote:

BTW: The "AMA" is NOT a union.

Oh yes it is.
The Australian Medical Association is a union for doctors.
http://www.ama.com.au/web.nsf/doc/SHED-5FP56T
Look at item four
"preserve and protect the political, legal and industrial interests of
medical practitioners."

The AMERICAN "AMA" dolt!
Here we do not care what you have to contend with.

Clarence,
twice I have referred to the Australian AMA and twice
you have tried to twist my words and now you chuck in "dolt"
When your manners improve I am more than happy to discuss
things with you.
Bye Bye till then
John Crighton
Sydney

 

[Jim Thompson]

On Sat, 06 Nov 2004 00:32:57 GMT, john_c@tpg.com.au (John Crighton)
wrote:

On Fri, 05 Nov 2004 09:42:35 -0600, John Fields
jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote:

[snip]
As far as I can recall, something like the Amalgamated Sheetmetal
Workers of America and, as I recall, I _had_ to join to keep the job I
had before the union got in.

--
John Fields


Hello John,

Fifty years ago here in Australia there was a "white Australia policy"
meaning coloured people had great difficulty entering the country.
Fifty years ago Australian aboriginal people were not even
counted in the census never mind being allowed to vote.
Times have changed.

I get the impression that your opinions of the union movement
are based on experiences many decades ago. if I am wrong, I
apologise but thanks for sharing them.

Regards
John Crighton
Sydney

John/John, It appears that there are considerable differences between
Aussie and American unions... like who gives a rat's ass.

So I'd appreciate it if you'd drop the thread, or at least ASIGN A
SUBJECT so I can kill file it... although I guess I can just killfile
on John C or John F ;-)

...Jim Thompson
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I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.

 

[Clarence]

"John Creighton" <john_c@tpg.com.au> wrote in message

On Fri, 05 Nov 2004 15:37:41 GMT, Bob Stephens
On Fri, 05 Nov 2004 01:34:56 GMT, John Crighton wrote:

Bob,
what union or association looks after your interests
when you are on the job?

None I have encountered!

I don't know if you are genuinely interested to discuss
difference between American unions and Australian
unions, I am.

Your "we should be so lucky comment" what does
that mean. Maybe you are just having a wee slag
and a chuckle. Share the joke if there is one.

"Good Unions" &gt

I ask again, what trade union or associations have you
been a member?

Regards,> >> John Crighton> >> Sydney

John,
My experience with unions has always been on the receiving end. And usually
painful. For 20 years I ran a business providing engineering upgrades to
flight simulators where my customers were primarily US based major
airlines. In the US, the traditionally structured carriers are completely
hamstrung by self-serving, tunnel-visioned trade unions. I'm under the gun
now at work, but will elaborate further later if you are interested.

Yes, I am interested to hear your first hand
details. Not hearsay stories though.

So you are only interested in hearing "Good stories about unions, not the "real
stories about Unions?"

You will have to go somewhere else for that. I have never met anyone who
thinks that a Union is Good! In fact, the most common remark is that there is
no need for them whatever. They are past their time.

One other quick example, we recently had a supermarket checker strike in
Southern California. Someone earlier said that "those who dissent get
hurt", well in this case *Everybody* got hurt. These poor lemmings were out
of work for months over a relatively minor health care co-pay issue. The
union bosses - having nothing to lose- kept the poor sods on the picket
line long after the union compensation fund ran out, and many of the rank
and filers went bust, lost houses and so forth, and ended up not getting
anything to show for it in the end!

pathetic

Bob Stephens

Bob, that example is a hearsay story if you were not present
at the meetings and listened in on the discussions between
the workers involved and the union organizer who advises
the workers. I have no idea where you got it from but beware
of what you read in newspapers.

Workers are the source of much of what he said. The Cashier at the marked said
he lost his car and house and it will take about 5 years to make up the loss by
having his wife work two jobs. Right from the man who experienced it first
hand. He is NOT unusual.

I have been present at incidents that were later reported in
newspapers and could have sworn that the paper was reporting
on some other incident, not the one I saw. Newspapers
twist, exaggerate and leave out important facts to make
an interesting *story*

Regards,
John Crighton
Sydney

You mean like the people who were arrested for throwing things at shoppers who
went into the stores that were being struck? Booked and released and fined $25
for disturbing the peace? That kind of stories which was reported only as "An
Incident" in the papers?

I was in that parking lot and had to wait to leave until the police had
everyone's names as witnesses. That kind of story?

Your in the wrong place to get sugar coated information about a Labor Union.

Or maybe the company man who allowed some of the union people to work under an
alias so they could pay their bills. The union didn't want them working, but
the Store manager felt sorry for them. The union found out and complained, so
"Officially" the company fired the manager who did it. But they hired him back
two weeks later in a different store. "He did the right thing, just not what
the "rules of the union allowed."

 

[gwhite]

Terry Given wrote:

Hey Fred, last I looked there were 265,000,000 USians or so, and only
113,000,000 voted. How many eligible voters are there? what percentage
actually voted. All the news media I have looked at prattle on about
huge turnout, but never say what percentage.

It was about 60% from the reports I've seen. Quite near the top by US
standards.

http://www.fairvote.org/turnout/preturn.htm

 

[Rich The Philosophizer]

On Sat, 06 Nov 2004 11:30:49 +1300, Terry Given wrote:

why are tits common-place on TV in the US, but a penis is rarely, if
ever, seen?

You very seldom, or ever, see white tit on US TV, unless the woman
is dead or in distress in some way. African tits are OK on Edjamacayshunal
TV, but there was even an uproar about Janet Jackson's pastie.

But every third commercial is for hard-on pills.

Go figure!
Rich

 

[N. Thornton]

bungalow_steve@yahoo.com (steve) wrote in message news:<15da8106.0411042014.7f6eab59@posting.google.com>...

I have a need to fit a printed circuit board into a small cabinet, I
basically need two sides of the board to bend at 90 degrees
(connectors are an option with seperate PCB's, but the fit is very
tight). I was thinking about rigid flex pcbs. Any experience with
them? Whats the minimum size of the flexible portion, for instance?
What are the general concerns with these hybrid boards?
Price shouldn't be a concern since the boards are very small and the
parts on them are very high price. thanks!

why not use wire links? Just a row of very short wire conenctions.

One plus is you can wave solder the whole lot in one piece then snap
it along the perfs. Though if density needs to be extreme you might
not want to waste the millimetres for a snapped bit.

NT

 

[Rich The Philosophizer]

On Fri, 05 Nov 2004 16:35:51 +0000, Ratch wrote:

I get no tax dollars for what I promulgate! Ratch

And if you've ever been promulgated, you know how painful that can be!

<rimshot>
;^j

 

[Jamie Morken]

Hi Steve,

steve wrote:

Jamie Morken <jmorken@shaw.ca> wrote in message news:<VuEid.94966

Try soldering the boards together using pads on each board like this:
http://eagleflyer.sourceforge.net/accel_gyro%201/IMAGE003.JPG

cheers
Jamie Morken


Great idea, I guess I was thinking too much! Are there different
connections on each side of the board, or are both sides soldered to
the same trace (in other words are there seperate pads on each side
with different signals or is there one big pad on the motherboard that
gets soldered to both sides of the daughter board?)

There is one big pad on the the motherboard for each solder connection,
but you could put different connections on both sides too, I only needed
6 signals though.

Is that board some type of navigation control for a model rocket? I
fly radio control planes, I couldn't find anything on the site that
talks about it.

It is a homebuilt inertial measurement unit using the Analog Devices
adxrs gyros and adxl accelerometers and a 16bit ADC, and an atmega32
with 4MB of datalogging flash.

cheers,
Jamie

 

[Clarence]

"John Crighton" <john_c@tpg.com.au> wrote in message

Rich The Philosophizer wrote:
snip
and the individual employees agree to
allow the union to negotiate any and all matters which may come up
between them (the individual employee) and management.

Not true. You will have to show me that written down somewhere.
---
I don't have to show you anything. On the contrary, if I make a
statement which you think is bogus on _you_ to prove that it is.
Come On. Do you have any idea how ludicrous this is?
snip
Rich

Hello Richard and John,
lets not get all heated up.

Too late for that! You are suggesting that WE should (or Must) associate with
a criminal organization in order to work because where you are all is rosy!
Those are fighting words for all of the people who have been shafted or
harassed by the Union people here! Get it?

I will try an give John an explanation. I think John is
referring to a closed shop scenario.

There are many union members who are quite content
to just pay their dues and let the more active members of
the union get involve in negotiations with management.

There are closed shop environments where *all*
members are just not interested in taking an active
part in negotiations with management due to apathy,
language barriers, embarrassment about voicing their
opinions that they leave all negotiations to the union
head office.

This is the weakest and most specious explanation for a dictatorial union I
have ever heard. A closed shop is usually forced membership and No one but the
Professional Union boss has any power at all.

THIS then appears as though union bosses control
the membership.

Appears? Boy, are you dense!

Lack of communication between union head office and
the union members especially if there is no shop floor
delagate to distribute information to the members also
adds to this *myth* that union bosses control the union
membership.

Abuse by unions is a historical fact here. And your attempt to sugar coat the
imposition so Unions upon honest labor relations is not welcome.

 

[Jim Thompson]

Subject Adjustment

...Jim Thompson
--
| James E.Thompson, P.E. | mens |
| Analog Innovations, Inc. | et |
| Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus |
| Phoenix, Arizona Voice480)460-2350 | |
| E-mail Address at Website Fax480)460-2142 | Brass Rat |
| http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 |

I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.

 

[Clarence]

"Jim Thompson" <thegreatone@example.com> wrote in message
news:7gcoo0h5gk3apku3215qc507kta14efjka@4ax.com...

Subject Adjustment

Yes, how about this instead?

 

[Chaos Master]

Na măo de Ratch (Watchit@Comcast.net) é mais barato:

I cannot convey how happy I am that Bush won a second term. Here's
why.

Those that voted in Bush are the "American Idiots", I think that this music
applies to them:

http://green-day.letras.terra.com.br/letras/92495/ (American Idiot)

Bush = BUllSHit

[]s
--
Chaos MasterŽ, posting from Brazil.
"When there's nothing left to process, not even a bit,
the CPU must reset, and 0000:0000 should be hit."

http://marreka.no-ip.com | http://tinyurl.com/46vru | http://renan182.no-ip.org
| http://marreka.blogspot.com (in Portuguese)

 

[Fred Bloggs]

Ratch wrote:

He is a brainwashed moron suckered into joining the
religious right on this issue- Jerry Falwell routinely sends undercover
cameras into gay events and rallies to capture all this stuff on video
and then sells the garbage to his followers.


All vituperative speculation and untrue.

Don't tell me- I live not far from Falwell country and on my commute to
work have heard that pervert hawking his goddammed homo tapes- and
Falwell says they are live video filmed by his undercover operatives.

 

[Rich The Philosophizer]

On Fri, 05 Nov 2004 17:38:38 -0700, Jim Thompson wrote:

On Sat, 06 Nov 2004 00:32:57 GMT, john_c@tpg.com.au (John Crighton)
wrote:

On Fri, 05 Nov 2004 09:42:35 -0600, John Fields
jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote:

[snip]
As far as I can recall, something like the Amalgamated Sheetmetal
Workers of America and, as I recall, I _had_ to join to keep the job I
had before the union got in.

--
John Fields


Hello John,

Fifty years ago here in Australia there was a "white Australia policy"
meaning coloured people had great difficulty entering the country.
Fifty years ago Australian aboriginal people were not even
counted in the census never mind being allowed to vote.
Times have changed.

I get the impression that your opinions of the union movement
are based on experiences many decades ago. if I am wrong, I
apologise but thanks for sharing them.

Regards
John Crighton
Sydney

John/John, It appears that there are considerable differences between
Aussie and American unions... like who gives a rat's ass.

So I'd appreciate it if you'd drop the thread, or at least ASIGN A
SUBJECT so I can kill file it... although I guess I can just killfile
on John C or John F ;-)

...Jim Thompson

Better?

;^j

 

[Terry Given]

Jim Thompson wrote:

On Sat, 06 Nov 2004 01:01:19 GMT, Rich The Philosophizer
null@example.net> wrote:


On Sat, 06 Nov 2004 11:25:41 +1300, Terry Given wrote:


[snip]

Hey Fred, last I looked there were 265,000,000 USians or so, and only
113,000,000 voted. How many eligible voters are there? what percentage
actually voted. All the news media I have looked at prattle on about
huge turnout, but never say what percentage.


[snip]

Deduct ~80 million too young to vote, and you get about a 60% turnout,
not bad.

...Jim Thompson

OK, my guess was 100 million, not too far out. And 60% is fantastic -
thats about +20% from the 2000 campaign isnt it? regardless of
party/motive the get-out-the-vote (or whatever) certainly worked. I cant
recall the last election in NZ with a 50% turnout....

CHEERS
tERRY

 

[budgie]

On 5 Nov 2004 17:21:09 -0800, bigcat@meeow.co.uk (N. Thornton) wrote:

bungalow_steve@yahoo.com (steve) wrote in message news:<15da8106.0411042014.7f6eab59@posting.google.com>...
I have a need to fit a printed circuit board into a small cabinet, I
basically need two sides of the board to bend at 90 degrees
(connectors are an option with seperate PCB's, but the fit is very
tight). I was thinking about rigid flex pcbs. Any experience with
them? Whats the minimum size of the flexible portion, for instance?
What are the general concerns with these hybrid boards?
Price shouldn't be a concern since the boards are very small and the
parts on them are very high price. thanks!

why not use wire links? Just a row of very short wire conenctions.

One plus is you can wave solder the whole lot in one piece then snap
it along the perfs.
(snip)

and (as someone posted in this group a year or so back,) that approach lends
itself to product testing before snapping. Very handy.

 

[Don Klipstein]

In <a7076635.0411030858.7c54a3a5@posting.google.com>, N. Thornton wrote:

I thought that american fl lights used a step up
autotransformer/choke, unlike our 240v lights that use a simple series
choke. I think theres also a wider array of starting arrangements in
the US, whereas here its always glow start.

Most (but not all) 1-lamp fluorescent fixtures up to 22 watts in the US,
except for a less-common one F13T5, tend to use simple choke ballasts.
F13T8 and wattages over 22 watts need step-up ballasts if used on a 120V
line.

- Don Klipstein (don@misty.com)