Donate Frequent Flyer Miles to Our Troops

repatch · Dec 17, 2003

"Southern" <no@email> wrote in message
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There are no commercial airlines flying in/out of Iraq so the issue is
moot.
Besides, the overwhelming majority of them went home before the
conflict
began in earnest.

You didn't answer my question.

I did when I pointed out that the issue is moot.

Fine, let me restate the question in a way that you can't weasel out of
it as easily: do Saddam's former soldiers deserve the same benefits as US
soldiers? After all, they were just following orders to?

Jim Thompson · Dec 17, 2003

On Wed, 17 Dec 2003 13:53:34 -0500, "Bill Garber"
<willy46pa@comcast.net> wrote:

[snip]

FREE SPEECH does not give us the
right to talk like a moron however, or be vulgar or insulting
towards our fellow citizens.

Bill @ GarberStreet Enterprizez };-)
[snip]

Sure it does, just as long as it doesn't fall into the realm of
libel/slander.

And the courts have generally applied rather tight rules as to what
actually constitutes such infractions.

...Jim Thompson
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repatch · Dec 17, 2003

"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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repatch wrote:

"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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repatch wrote:

Gee, that's great, but did you ever think about the possiblity that
not
everyone here is from the states, and not everyone here exactly
AGREES
with
what the states is doing??

Do you think we really care what YOU think? Have you ever served in
the military, and couldn't afford a round trip ticket to visit your
family? I have been in that position. Almost $2,000 to fly from
Fairbanks AK to Cincinnati and back, and that was in the '70s. if you
don't like what is going on in Iraq, fly over and help the snipers dig
holes to hide in. If you're lucky, you might get it deep enough for
your
grave before they blow your head off.

HEHEHE, my my, it's amazing how quickly irrational behaviour shows
up in
the face of some facts.

Irrational is allowing a moron like you on Usenet. The fact you post
from Canada doesn't excuse your stupidity, or your big mouth.

Hehe, that's right, resort to name calling when you have nothing else to
base your argument on. Bravo sir.

Brooklyn NYC · Dec 17, 2003

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"A Soberon" <asoberon@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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: > I guess you don't discuss your home life with
: > your fellow co-workers. what has that to do
: > with your job, right?
:
: I guess you go to the movies and start talking on the phone.
That's what
: free speech is for, isn't it?
:
: Antonio

You've gone off of your own topic. The discussion was
concerning content in an unrelated arena. What you are
saying now concerns good/bad manners.

Way off base on the FREE SPEECH issue. That gives us
the right to have an opinion and to vocalize it without
worry of persecution as long as we don't intend to act
on it in a way that would violate any other people rights
or the laws of the land. FREE SPEECH does not give us the
right to talk like a moron however, or be vulgar or insulting
towards our fellow citizens.

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<FREE SPEECH does not give us the

right to talk like a moron however, or be vulgar or insulting
towards our fellow citizens.

Unfortunately I am finding way too much of that in Nags lately. If you have
an opinion that differs from someone else's than they re: with nothing but
hate and discontent. I have unsubscribed from many Nags this week because of
this. And, of course, none of them were political NGs.

Why are these people posting out of the political groups? That is where this
shit belongs.

I don't even bother replying to posts unrelated to the NG topic but for this
one I made an exception and I am not going to re: any of them again.

We need to show each other at least a little friggin' respect in these posts
whether you agree or not.

Chuck Harris · Dec 17, 2003

My dad says yes! Note that those are
the averages. Look for the max's and mins.

-Chuck

Tom Quackenbush wrote:

On Wed, 17 Dec 2003 13:20:02 -0500, Chuck Harris <cfharris@erols.com
wrote:

-40F just means wintertime to folks in Rhinelander, Wisconsin USA.
They carry on just fine.

From:
http://www.duluthchamber.com/comguide.htm

Average Maximum Temperature: January 16.2F
Average Minimum Temperature: January -2.1F

Does Rhinelander get significantly colder than Duluth?

R,
Tom, Q.

A Soberon · Dec 17, 2003

We need to show each other at least a little friggin' respect in these
posts
whether you agree or not.

AMEN !!

Merry Xmas and Happy New Year !!

Antonio

Roger Gt · Dec 17, 2003

"Michael A. Terrell" wrote in message

Jim Thompson wrote:
Michael, What *IS* this countdown? To retirement? To Medicare? To
getting laid (annual To what ???
Gee, Jim I figured everyone could do the math. Its the 17th, so in 8
days it will be the 25th. Also, I wanted to see if anyone actually
reads a .sig file.
8 days!

But it's 4 days to the solstice! it's 8 days to the feast of Mithrus! Why
limit yourself to one, there are many holidays in this part of the year!
Party time!!!!

Jim Thompson · Dec 17, 2003

On Wed, 17 Dec 2003 18:52:17 +0100, Terry <terry_pidduck@redwin.ch>
wrote:

Jim Thompson wrote:

Instead I aroused every hate monger in the world :-(

...Jim Thompson

Sorry Jim, but you're wrong.

I'm a hate-monger and you dismally failed to arouse me!

T.

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Robert Monsen · Dec 17, 2003

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"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> schreef in bericht
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Jim Thompson wrote:

Michael, What *IS* this countdown? To retirement? To Medicare? To
getting laid (annual To what ???

Gee, Jim I figured everyone could do the math. Its the 17th, so in 8
days it will be the 25th. Also, I wanted to see if anyone actually
reads a .sig file.

What's on the 25th?

Its the date Christmas is celebrated in the US.

John Woodgate · Dec 17, 2003

I read in sci.electronics.design that Jim Thompson
<invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote (in <7k01uvs6n79fa551vc5ac60h7fqrsk7ca6@
4ax.com&gt

about 'Donate Frequent Flyer Miles to Our Troops', on Wed, 17
Dec 2003:

Absolutely !-)

Unless, of course, they really are from frequent flyers on Aeroflot!
(;-)
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John Woodgate · Dec 17, 2003

I read in sci.electronics.design that Brooklyn NYC <me@nospam.com> wrote
(in <Q82Eb.2987$Ts5.2494@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net&gt

about
'Donate Frequent Flyer Miles to Our Troops', on Wed, 17 Dec 2003:

It seems to me that most of today's liberals, if they were alive during
WW2, would not support Roosevelt and Eisenhower for going after Hitler.

No change there, then. What you call 'liberals' in Britain did not
support war with Hitler until late in the summer of 1939. It took Pearl
Harbor for US public opinion to swing from 'keep out of European
trouble' to supporting Roosevelt and hence Churchill.

It seems that all that is important now is protecting everybody's rights
regardless of the consequences. Hussein killed his own. He should now
suffer the consequences not be given some sort of immunity because the
left is empathetic.

Yes, there IS too much excusing around.

There are too many people that want us to pull out of Iraq but history
has taught us that we can't do that: On Armistice Day -- 11 Nov 1918 --
when the surrender was signed for WW1 we pulled out of Germany without
lending them a hand in the rebuilding. That is ONE of the reasons that
WW2 started. They still felt the animosity for us not helping them. When
WW2 ended we did the opposite: We help those countries that were in the
Axis to rebuild. That is why we HAVE to stay in Iraq until that country
is stable enough to work on its own. Could you imagine the consequences
if we left that country now in a state of shambles? Sometimes thinking
with our hearts is not the right way to do things and we have to put our
emotions aside and do what is necessary. Sometimes doing what is
necessary is not what we want to do but what we have to do.

Quite right, although one of your compatriots a few days ago recommended
just that - flatten the country and leave it to its own salvation.
--
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John Woodgate · Dec 17, 2003

I read in sci.electronics.design that Fred Bloggs <nospam@nospam.com>
wrote (in <3FE07160.6050708@nospam.com&gt

about 'Donate Frequent Flyer
Miles to Our Troops', on Wed, 17 Dec 2003:

This NG is predominantly American- and the majority of contributions are
from Americans. Did this occur to you? Get the hell off of here with
your damned anti-American trash attitude, and post to the NG for your
backwards country.

Fred, you really are a NAUGHTY boy. Go and set up
sci.electronics.USrednecks if you want to have space to rant without
opposition.
--
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John Woodgate · Dec 17, 2003

I read in sci.electronics.design that Jim Thompson
<invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote (in <fq21uv8p1oepg6sc2nlk4k8ef4a6t3k3d3@
4ax.com&gt

about 'Donate Frequent Flyer Miles to Our Troops', on Wed, 17
Dec 2003:

Damn! I guess I owe everyone a massive apology.

Not at all.

I only meant to post a
way to aid our troops to ease their getting home on leave.

Sure. That's understood. By me, anyway.

Instead I aroused every hate monger in the world :-(

Yes, because they took that post as a way to vent their displeasure
about OTHER things you have posted. Once you get unpopular, you are
damned whatever you say. It's human nature.
--
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Jim Thompson · Dec 17, 2003

On Wed, 17 Dec 2003 21:10:52 +0000, John Woodgate
<jmw@jmwa.demon.contraspam.yuk> wrote:

I read in sci.electronics.design that Jim Thompson
invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote (in <fq21uv8p1oepg6sc2nlk4k8ef4a6t3k3d3@
4ax.com&gt about 'Donate Frequent Flyer Miles to Our Troops', on Wed, 17
Dec 2003:

Damn! I guess I owe everyone a massive apology.

Not at all.

I only meant to post a
way to aid our troops to ease their getting home on leave.

Sure. That's understood. By me, anyway.

Instead I aroused every hate monger in the world :-(

Yes, because they took that post as a way to vent their displeasure
about OTHER things you have posted. Once you get unpopular, you are
damned whatever you say. It's human nature.

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Bill Garber · Dec 17, 2003

"Brooklyn NYC" <me@nospam.com> wrote in message
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:
: "Bill Garber" <willy46pa@comcast.net> wrote in message
: news:tOydnUgGupXFOn2i4p2dnA@comcast.com...
: >
:
: <FREE SPEECH does not give us the
: > right to talk like a moron however, or be vulgar or insulting
: > towards our fellow citizens.
:
: Unfortunately I am finding way too much of that in Nags lately.
If you have
: an opinion that differs from someone else's than they re: with
nothing but
: hate and discontent. I have unsubscribed from many Nags this
week because of
: this. And, of course, none of them were political NGs.
:
: Why are these people posting out of the political groups? That
is where this
: shit belongs.

I read no TOS concerning the content to be posted,
did you? Where is that? I'll abide by whatever rules
are placed on it.

: I don't even bother replying to posts unrelated to the NG topic
but for this
: one I made an exception and I am not going to re: any of them
again.

I get the feeling you make this exception quite often.

: We need to show each other at least a little friggin' respect
in these posts
: whether you agree or not.

I respect everyone's opinion as I expect everyone to respect
my own. Thank you.

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Bill Garber · Dec 17, 2003

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: > We need to show each other at least a little friggin' respect
in these
: posts
: > whether you agree or not.
:
:
: AMEN !!
:
: Merry Xmas and Happy New Year !!
:
: Antonio

Mommy!. They're posting stuff I don't wanna
hear again.

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Brooklyn NYC · Dec 17, 2003

"John Woodgate" <jmw@jmwa.demon.contraspam.yuk> wrote in message
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I read in sci.electronics.design that Brooklyn NYC <me@nospam.com> wrote
(in <Q82Eb.2987$Ts5.2494@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net&gt about
'Donate Frequent Flyer Miles to Our Troops', on Wed, 17 Dec 2003:

It seems to me that most of today's liberals, if they were alive during
WW2, would not support Roosevelt and Eisenhower for going after Hitler.

No change there, then. What you call 'liberals' in Britain did not
support war with Hitler until late in the summer of 1939. It took Pearl
Harbor for US public opinion to swing from 'keep out of European
trouble' to supporting Roosevelt and hence Churchill.

It seems that all that is important now is protecting everybody's rights
regardless of the consequences. Hussein killed his own. He should now
suffer the consequences not be given some sort of immunity because the
left is empathetic.

Yes, there IS too much excusing around.

There are too many people that want us to pull out of Iraq but history
has taught us that we can't do that: On Armistice Day -- 11 Nov 1918 --
when the surrender was signed for WW1 we pulled out of Germany without
lending them a hand in the rebuilding. That is ONE of the reasons that
WW2 started. They still felt the animosity for us not helping them. When
WW2 ended we did the opposite: We help those countries that were in the
Axis to rebuild. That is why we HAVE to stay in Iraq until that country
is stable enough to work on its own. Could you imagine the consequences
if we left that country now in a state of shambles? Sometimes thinking
with our hearts is not the right way to do things and we have to put our
emotions aside and do what is necessary. Sometimes doing what is
necessary is not what we want to do but what we have to do.

Quite right, although one of your compatriots a few days ago recommended
just that - flatten the country and leave it to its own salvation.
--
Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only.
http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk
Interested in professional sound reinforcement and distribution? Then go
to
http://www.isce.org.uk
PLEASE do NOT copy news posts to me by E-MAIL!

Quite right, although one of your compatriots a few days ago recommended
just that - flatten the country and leave it to its own salvation.

Perfect example of someone who just wants to hear his/her own voice or see
his/her words spread on the net. Too many people thinking that way because
they don't know history. It's a too oft used cliche but it will ring true
for eternity: "Those who haven't learned from history will be forced to
repeat it."

Cheers to you from the other side of the pond.

repatch · Dec 17, 2003

"Jim Thompson" <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
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On Tue, 16 Dec 2003 14:14:20 -0700, Jim Thompson
invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:

Did you know that you can donate some of your frequent flyer miles to
benefit our troops getting to their homes from Iraq?

The military generally flies a soldier only back to his base. Your
frequent flyer miles can get them the rest of the way home....

http://www.heromiles.org/

I think most of the airlines are now participating.

...Jim Thompson

Damn! I guess I owe everyone a massive apology. I only meant to post
a way to aid our troops to ease their getting home on leave.

Your troops, not my troops, that is the issue at hand. If you had put:
"only applicable to US readers" or something like that at the top of your
post (or in the subject) I wouldn't have minded. It was the assumption that
it applies to EVERYONE here that is the problem.

Michael A. Terrell · Dec 17, 2003

Roger Gt wrote:

"Michael A. Terrell" wrote in message
Jim Thompson wrote:
Michael, What *IS* this countdown? To retirement? To Medicare? To
getting laid (annual To what ???
Gee, Jim I figured everyone could do the math. Its the 17th, so in 8
days it will be the 25th. Also, I wanted to see if anyone actually
reads a .sig file.
8 days!

But it's 4 days to the solstice! it's 8 days to the feast of Mithrus! Why
limit yourself to one, there are many holidays in this part of the year!
Party time!!!!

Party if you want to. I don't.
--
8 days!

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida

Southern · Dec 17, 2003

"repatch" <repatch42@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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"Southern" <no@email> wrote in message
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There are no commercial airlines flying in/out of Iraq so the issue
is
moot.
Besides, the overwhelming majority of them went home before the
conflict
began in earnest.

You didn't answer my question.

I did when I pointed out that the issue is moot.

Fine, let me restate the question in a way that you can't weasel out
of
it as easily:

Pointing out an issue is moot or that the question is nonsensical is not
weaseling. If you had asked a rationale question, it could be answered.

do Saddam's former soldiers deserve the same benefits as US soldiers?

Of course not. The pay and benefits to US soldiers are codified in US laws,
so Iraqi soldiers would not get them. Instead they should receive the pay
and benefits allocated to them under Iraqi law. All POWs regardless of
nationality should receive at a minimum the treatment required by the Geneva
convention. Something the former regime in Iraq never did. It should also
be noted that the US military often takes better care of enemy POWs than the
enemy forces do.

If you are really asking about getting free donated transportation to their
homes from their duty stations organized my their countrymen, the answer is
of course. The Iraqis are free to organize it for thier troops. More over,
during the Hajj, providing hospitality and shelter to pilgrims and travelers
is a duty of an observant Muslim.

After all, they were just following orders to?
Your inappropriate use of the Nuremburg defense is noted but irrelevant.

Its also specifically disallowed by the various international courts and the
UCMJ for certain kinds of crimes. The regime change in Iraq will also allow
a final answer as to the whereabouts of LCDR Speicher and the punishment of
those who raped the US female POWs from Desert Storm.

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