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On Monday, July 10, 2023 at 12:47:08â¯AM UTC+10, Michael Terrell wrote:
On Thursday, July 6, 2023 at 6:13:53â¯PM UTC-4, Dimiter_Popoff wrote:
And you chose to shit all over what is basically a talk at a funeral.
Did not realize your issues were *that* serious.
Everything has to be about him. He\'ll tell you that he is the most important man to ever have walked the earth.
What a bizarre idea. My father had some 25 patents to his name - and so do two of my friends. I\'ve got three. I\'m not in an position to claim that I\'m in any way more important than any of them. Mike Terrell imagines that I\'d stretch out way beyond that ...
He is a male \'Karen\'.
Even more unlikely. Mike Terrell isn\'t very bright, so he does tend to get the wrong end of the stick. He may be confusing me with John Larkin, who does take himself seriously, but nowhere near that seriously.
--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
whit3rd <whit3rd@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sunday, July 9, 2023 at 9:36:12?AM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:
Kids should tinker with electronics when they are young, to get
instincts. Then later, when they get the formal textbook education,
things click. Don really helped with that.
That\'s a possibility, of course; it\'s not the best introduction to
hardware description language, nor to circuit analysis, nor
to filter theory, nor antenna design...
Kids doesnt mean young adults here, I dont think.
I started building stuff when I was 10 years old, along about 1970. It was
relatively accessible to someone with an interest, even without any sort of
mentor. (My brother was interested, but not really a builder.)
On Sunday, July 9, 2023 at 12:36:12?PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
On Sun, 9 Jul 2023 08:02:09 -0700 (PDT), Michael Terrell
You can still read them:
https://worldradiohistory.com/Popular-Electronics-Guide.htm
There were so many electronics magazines back then!
And literally - on purpose - tons of military surplus electronics that
was almost free. As an under-wing radar pod for $70, or a radiosonde
for a few dollars, or a spiffy CRT display for about $10. Beautiful
tubes almost free.
Kids should tinker with electronics when they are young, to get
instincts. Then later, when they get the formal textbook education,
things click. Don really helped with that.
They were \'Carl and Jerry\'.
That website has several other magazine archives.
I loved the \'ARRL Handbook\', in our Junior High library. It not only had home brewed equipment that you could build, but it had a wealth of information about how to create working projects, along with construction methods to make it work and have a decent appearance. Many pages of Vacuum tube data, and a small section of advertising for companies that sold components, test equipment and tools.
Not only military surplus. Free junk Radios and TVs plus other electronics just for the asking. I put a couple line request in my high school\'s newsletter. We got over 100 TVs plus other electronics for hands on experience. I taught the other students how to troubleshoot the better equipment, and used the rest for parts. We sold enogh repaired equipment to pay for the construction ov a very nice Amateur radio station for the school.
We had a nice HF station, and one of the first Two Meter repeaters in the state of Ohio. Several students from that class became EEs.
Then I donated about 20 remaining working TVs to the school for classrooms.
On Sunday, 9 July 2023 at 15:43:55 UTC+1, John Larkin wrote:
On Sat, 8 Jul 2023 16:08:06 -0700 (PDT), Tabby <tabb...@gmail.com
wrote:
On Saturday, 8 July 2023 at 03:29:01 UTC+1, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Saturday, July 8, 2023 at 8:23:05?AM UTC+10, Tabby wrote:
On Friday, 7 July 2023 at 07:28:47 UTC+1, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
Don Lancaster spent a lot of effort advertising himself as an electronics guru to people who didn\'t know much about electronics,
All experts were young once, and a lot used to read that kind of thing. It\'s all part of the learning process. If you have a problem with that it\'s no-one else\'s problem.
Bad text books create lots of problems. You have to be exposed to good ones. and junior engineers who haven\'t, to appreciate how bad the problems can be.
Reading bad ones can be educational too.
Don knew how to interest youngsters in electronics. If you don\'t appreciate the value of that, really who cares.
His books and articles, and Popular Electronics mag, got zillions of
kids interested in electronics, far better than any textbooks would
have done. His style, whether it was instinctive or deliberate, was
accessable and fun for beginners
One could get Popular Electronics at a supermarket. I\'d toss one in
our cart, or just read it while my parents shopped.
What a concept, \"Popular Electronics\"
He and his ilk creates a hugely sucessful phenomenon.
Slow man\'s failure to appreciate that says a thing or 2.
On Sunday, July 9, 2023 at 11:43:55?AM UTC-4, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Monday, July 10, 2023 at 12:47:08?AM UTC+10, Michael Terrell wrote:
On Thursday, July 6, 2023 at 6:13:53?PM UTC-4, Dimiter_Popoff wrote:
And you chose to shit all over what is basically a talk at a funeral.
Did not realize your issues were *that* serious.
Everything has to be about him. He\'ll tell you that he is the most important man to ever have walked the earth.
What a bizarre idea. My father had some 25 patents to his name - and so do two of my friends. I\'ve got three. I\'m not in an position to claim that I\'m in any way more important than any of them. Mike Terrell imagines that I\'d stretch out way beyond that ...
He is a male \'Karen\'.
Even more unlikely. Mike Terrell isn\'t very bright, so he does tend to get the wrong end of the stick. He may be confusing me with John Larkin, who does take himself seriously, but nowhere near that seriously.
--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
You confuse yourself. Some of my work in Microwave went to the ISS. I didn\'t care about patents, since it was a very niche field.
I designed some flight and ground test hardware for the S1B, the first
stage of the moon rocket. I think NASA deliberately allocated some
non-life-safety-critical equipment designs to small companies. We had
a few rooms above the River Rendezvous Bar near the Mississippi River
levee. We etched our own PCBs in the bathroom.
On Sun, 9 Jul 2023 08:02:09 -0700 (PDT), Michael Terrell
terrell....@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sunday, July 9, 2023 at 10:43:55?AM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
His books and articles, and Popular Electronics mag, got zillions of
kids interested in electronics, far better than any textbooks would
have done. His style, whether it was instinctive or deliberate, was
accessable and fun for beginners
One could get Popular Electronics at a supermarket. I\'d toss one in
our cart, or just read it while my parents shopped.
What a concept, \"Popular Electronics\"
You can still read them:
https://worldradiohistory.com/Popular-Electronics-Guide.htm
There were so many electronics magazines back then!
And literally - on purpose - tons of military surplus electronics that
was almost free. As an under-wing radar pod for $70, or a radiosonde
for a few dollars, or a spiffy CRT display for about $10. Beautiful
tubes almost free.
Kids should tinker with electronics when they are young, to get instincts.
On Sunday, 9 July 2023 at 12:52:21 UTC+1, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Sunday, July 9, 2023 at 9:08:11â¯AM UTC+10, Tabby wrote:
On Saturday, 8 July 2023 at 03:29:01 UTC+1, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Saturday, July 8, 2023 at 8:23:05â¯AM UTC+10, Tabby wrote:
On Friday, 7 July 2023 at 07:28:47 UTC+1, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
Don Lancaster spent a lot of effort advertising himself as an electronics guru to people who didn\'t know much about electronics,
All experts were young once, and a lot used to read that kind of thing. It\'s all part of the learning process. If you have a problem with that it\'s no-one else\'s problem.
Bad text books create lots of problems. You have to be exposed to good ones. and junior engineers who haven\'t, to appreciate how bad the problems can be.
Reading bad ones can be educational too.
Only if you have read several different text-books. Bad text books are mostly bad in what they leave out, though they can be bad in using misleading concepts, like \"leakage inductance\".
Don knew how to interest youngsters in electronics. If you don\'t appreciate the value of that, really who cares.
There are better and worse ways of doing that. Don did tout himself as a guru, and he wasn\'t quite thorough enough to have earned that status.
You doesn\'t seem to have been.
Obviously you don\'t know what electronics books I\'ve read. You\'re just determined to look silly again. Cue more excessive insecurity.
The reference was to people who had been messed up by bad textbooks. You don\'t know enough to know what that means, so you may qualify as an example.
I do know that you haven\'t understood enough good electronics texts, even if I don\'t know the route that got you into your current lamentable state of ignorance.
not even worth responding to is it.
On Sunday, July 9, 2023 at 11:43:55â¯AM UTC-4, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Monday, July 10, 2023 at 12:47:08â¯AM UTC+10, Michael Terrell wrote:
On Thursday, July 6, 2023 at 6:13:53â¯PM UTC-4, Dimiter_Popoff wrote:
And you chose to shit all over what is basically a talk at a funeral.
Did not realize your issues were *that* serious.
Everything has to be about him. He\'ll tell you that he is the most important man to ever have walked the earth.
What a bizarre idea. My father had some 25 patents to his name - and so do two of my friends. I\'ve got three. I\'m not in an position to claim that I\'m in any way more important than any of them. Mike Terrell imagines that I\'d stretch out way beyond that ...
He is a male \'Karen\'.
Even more unlikely. Mike Terrell isn\'t very bright, so he does tend to get the wrong end of the stick. He may be confusing me with John Larkin, who does take himself seriously, but nowhere near that seriously.
You confuse yourself. Some of my work in Microwave went to the ISS.
On Sunday, July 9, 2023 at 6:39:27?PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
I designed some flight and ground test hardware for the S1B, the first
stage of the moon rocket. I think NASA deliberately allocated some
non-life-safety-critical equipment designs to small companies. We had
a few rooms above the River Rendezvous Bar near the Mississippi River
levee. We etched our own PCBs in the bathroom.
We supplied them with Telemetry, communications and Command Destruct Receivers. The company was about 200 employees.
On Sunday, 9 July 2023 at 15:43:55 UTC+1, John Larkin wrote:
On Sat, 8 Jul 2023 16:08:06 -0700 (PDT), Tabby <tabb...@gmail.com
wrote:
On Saturday, 8 July 2023 at 03:29:01 UTC+1, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Saturday, July 8, 2023 at 8:23:05?AM UTC+10, Tabby wrote:
On Friday, 7 July 2023 at 07:28:47 UTC+1, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
Don Lancaster spent a lot of effort advertising himself as an electronics guru to people who didn\'t know much about electronics,
All experts were young once, and a lot used to read that kind of thing. It\'s all part of the learning process. If you have a problem with that it\'s no-one else\'s problem.
Bad text books create lots of problems. You have to be exposed to good ones. and junior engineers who haven\'t, to appreciate how bad the problems can be.
Reading bad ones can be educational too.
Don knew how to interest youngsters in electronics. If you don\'t appreciate the value of that, really who cares.
His books and articles, and Popular Electronics mag, got zillions of
kids interested in electronics, far better than any textbooks would
have done. His style, whether it was instinctive or deliberate, was
accessable and fun for beginners
One could get Popular Electronics at a supermarket. I\'d toss one in
our cart, or just read it while my parents shopped.
What a concept, \"Popular Electronics\"
He and his ilk creates a hugely sucessful phenomenon.
Slow man\'s failure to appreciate that says a thing or 2.
On Sun, 9 Jul 2023 12:25:07 -0700 (PDT), Tabby <tabb...@gmail.com
wrote:
On Sunday, 9 July 2023 at 15:43:55 UTC+1, John Larkin wrote:
On Sat, 8 Jul 2023 16:08:06 -0700 (PDT), Tabby <tabb...@gmail.com
wrote:
On Saturday, 8 July 2023 at 03:29:01 UTC+1, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Saturday, July 8, 2023 at 8:23:05?AM UTC+10, Tabby wrote:
On Friday, 7 July 2023 at 07:28:47 UTC+1, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Monday, July 10, 2023 at 12:47:08?AM UTC+10, Michael Terrell wrote:
On Thursday, July 6, 2023 at 6:13:53?PM UTC-4, Dimiter_Popoff wrote:
And you chose to shit all over what is basically a talk at a funeral.
Did not realize your issues were *that* serious.
Everything has to be about him. He\'ll tell you that he is the most important man to ever have walked the earth.
What a bizarre idea. My father had some 25 patents to his name - and so do two of my friends. I\'ve got three. I\'m not in an position to claim that I\'m in any way more important than any of them. Mike Terrell imagines that I\'d stretch out way beyond that ...
He is a male \'Karen\'.
Even more unlikely. Mike Terrell isn\'t very bright, so he does tend to get the wrong end of the stick. He may be confusing me with John Larkin, who does take himself seriously, but nowhere near that seriously.
On Sun, 9 Jul 2023 08:43:50 -0700 (PDT), Anthony William Sloman
bill....@ieee.org> wrote:
On Monday, July 10, 2023 at 12:47:08?AM UTC+10, Michael Terrell wrote:
On Thursday, July 6, 2023 at 6:13:53?PM UTC-4, Dimiter_Popoff wrote:
And you chose to shit all over what is basically a talk at a funeral..
Did not realize your issues were *that* serious.
Everything has to be about him. He\'ll tell you that he is the most important man to ever have walked the earth.
What a bizarre idea. My father had some 25 patents to his name - and so do two of my friends. I\'ve got three. I\'m not in an position to claim that I\'m in any way more important than any of them. Mike Terrell imagines that I\'d stretch out way beyond that ...
Just because someone has a patent or many of them does not mean they are necessarily being innovative... I see patents all the time, that are just mixes of existing technology (prior art) applied to a different field, maybe.
Those patents are just excuses to sue others who may very well have come up with the same idea and implementation. That is why the USPTO
says \"a person having ordinary skill in the art\".
We made a couple of little plugin boxes, basically signal
conditioners, for downlink telemetry. I designed an acoustic
monitoring system for MTF, the engine test facility. NASA complained
that my mic amps were motorboating, and later found they were actually
picking up the mating calls of bull alligators.
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What a bizarre idea. My father had some 25 patents to his name - and so do two of my friends. I\'ve got three. I\'m not in an position to claim that I\'m in any way more important than any of them. Mike Terrell imagines that I\'d stretch out way beyond that ...
You confuse yourself. Some of my work in Microwave went to the ISS.
The International Space Station isn\'t exactly a hot-bed of microwave innovation.
I didn\'t care about patents, since it was a very niche field.
If t was novel enough to be patentable they would never have risked putting it into orbit in a very expensive manned satellite.
You really don\'t know what you are talking about.
On Sunday, July 9, 2023 at 6:59:53â¯PM UTC-4, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
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What a bizarre idea. My father had some 25 patents to his name - and so do two of my friends. I\'ve got three. I\'m not in an position to claim that I\'m in any way more important than any of them. Mike Terrell imagines that I\'d stretch out way beyond that ...
Did he patent the defective sperm that produced you?
You confuse yourself. Some of my work in Microwave went to the ISS.
The International Space Station isn\'t exactly a hot-bed of microwave innovation.
I didn\'t care about patents, since it was a very niche field.
If t was novel enough to be patentable they would never have risked putting it into orbit in a very expensive manned satellite.
You really don\'t know what you are talking about.
Yawn.
On Monday, July 10, 2023 at 12:34:42?PM UTC+10, boB wrote:
On Sun, 9 Jul 2023 08:43:50 -0700 (PDT), Anthony William Sloman
bill....@ieee.org> wrote:
On Monday, July 10, 2023 at 12:47:08?AM UTC+10, Michael Terrell wrote:
On Thursday, July 6, 2023 at 6:13:53?PM UTC-4, Dimiter_Popoff wrote:
And you chose to shit all over what is basically a talk at a funeral.
Did not realize your issues were *that* serious.
Everything has to be about him. He\'ll tell you that he is the most important man to ever have walked the earth.
What a bizarre idea. My father had some 25 patents to his name - and so do two of my friends. I\'ve got three. I\'m not in an position to claim that I\'m in any way more important than any of them. Mike Terrell imagines that I\'d stretch out way beyond that ...
Just because someone has a patent or many of them does not mean they are necessarily being innovative... I see patents all the time, that are just mixes of existing technology (prior art) applied to a different field, maybe.
Wrong. The patent system is all about rewarding innovation and persuading people to publish and share their innovations.
Innovations always look obvious after the event. One that I did get looked perfectly obvious to me, and when I got tired explaining why it was obvious I turned it into a patent query - essentially as a joke - which eventually turned into a patent.
Most patents aren\'t worth taking out, in the same way that 19 out of twenty start-up fail and lose all the money invested in them. It would be nice if we could do better. Somebody should invent - and patent - a better system.
Those patents are just excuses to sue others who may very well have come up with the same idea and implementation. That is why the USPTO
says \"a person having ordinary skill in the art\".
They also a device which lets inventors license their clever idea to other people, so that it ends up more widely used. Cheats try to pirate the ideas, and do get sued, but that isn\'t what the system was invented for.
If you think about it, all patents are based on \"prior art\" of some sort. If it uses dirt, for instance, that is prior art itself.
If you thought about it you wouldn\'t waste time posting blindingly obvious points.
The US patent system is broken for the most part.
Since you think that \"patents are just excuses to sue others who may very well have come up with the same idea and implementation\" you have a rather imperfect idea of what the patent system does and why it exists. It may well look broken to you, but if you were exposed to the bits that do work, and had the wit to grasp how they worked, you might acquire a rather more accurate idea of what it does.
On Sun, 9 Jul 2023 22:47:21 -0700 (PDT), Anthony William Sloman
bill....@ieee.org> wrote:
On Monday, July 10, 2023 at 12:34:42?PM UTC+10, boB wrote:
On Sun, 9 Jul 2023 08:43:50 -0700 (PDT), Anthony William Sloman
bill....@ieee.org> wrote:
On Monday, July 10, 2023 at 12:47:08?AM UTC+10, Michael Terrell wrote:
On Thursday, July 6, 2023 at 6:13:53?PM UTC-4, Dimiter_Popoff wrote:
And you chose to shit all over what is basically a talk at a funeral.
Did not realize your issues were *that* serious.
Everything has to be about him. He\'ll tell you that he is the most important man to ever have walked the earth.
What a bizarre idea. My father had some 25 patents to his name - and so do two of my friends. I\'ve got three. I\'m not in an position to claim that I\'m in any way more important than any of them. Mike Terrell imagines that I\'d stretch out way beyond that ...
Just because someone has a patent or many of them does not mean they are necessarily being innovative... I see patents all the time, that are just mixes of existing technology (prior art) applied to a different field, maybe.
Wrong. The patent system is all about rewarding innovation and persuading people to publish and share their innovations.
Innovations always look obvious after the event. One that I did get looked perfectly obvious to me, and when I got tired explaining why it was obvious I turned it into a patent query - essentially as a joke - which eventually turned into a patent.
Most patents aren\'t worth taking out, in the same way that 19 out of twenty start-up fail and lose all the money invested in them. It would be nice if we could do better. Somebody should invent - and patent - a better system.
Those patents are just excuses to sue others who may very well have come up with the same idea and implementation. That is why the USPTO
says \"a person having ordinary skill in the art\".
They also a device which lets inventors license their clever idea to other people, so that it ends up more widely used. Cheats try to pirate the ideas, and do get sued, but that isn\'t what the system was invented for.
If you think about it, all patents are based on \"prior art\" of some sort. If it uses dirt, for instance, that is prior art itself.
If you thought about it you wouldn\'t waste time posting blindingly obvious points.
The US patent system is broken for the most part.
Since you think that \"patents are just excuses to sue others who may very well have come up with the same idea and implementation\" you have a rather imperfect idea of what the patent system does and why it exists. It may well look broken to you, but if you were exposed to the bits that do work, and had the wit to grasp how they worked, you might acquire a rather more accurate idea of what it does.
I have designed things that were later patented. That was not obvious AFTER the patent was issued.