Digital TV In Australia

[Lord-Data]

Digital broadcast .. nothing else .. you do realise that for the large part
the signal you recieve by analogue TV is mostly delivered digitally anyway
...





"John" <sittinginthepool@internode.on.net> wrote in message
news:43C4FEC3.72995250@internode.on.net...

Supposedly in 2008 we will lose the normal analogue 'free to air'
TV channels. They are then going to leave us with full digital TV
and that's about it.

One thought does arise from this and this may sound, and probably
even IS far fetched but could the use of Digital signals lead to direct
manipulation of content?

ie: editing of news items on the fly if they are of a sensitive nature....

 

[Phil Allison]

"David L. Jones"

Digital TV is still "Free-to-Air"
Doesn't cost a cent apart from the initial set-top box which can be had
for well under $100.
Digital has lots of advantages over analog, and it is available now.
Yes, there are some shortcomings too, but they are relatively minor.

** I still cannot find any true "digital antennas" on sale in Sydney.

That is, one that covers channels 6 - 12 VHF and 28 - 69 UHF - eg Hills
have them in their trade only catalogue.

All the shops and antenna installers want to sell you a full VHF/UHF job.

Big and UGLY !





......... Phil

 

[David L. Jones]

John wrote:

Supposedly in 2008 we will lose the normal analogue 'free to air'
TV channels. They are then going to leave us with full digital TV
and that's about it.

What do you mean "that's about it"?
Digital TV:
1) is still free-to-air
2) still has the same channels and content
3) has better picture and sound quality
4) supports wide-screen and multi-channels

One thought does arise from this and this may sound, and probably
even IS far fetched but could the use of Digital signals lead to direct
manipulation of content?

ie: editing of news items on the fly if they are of a sensitive nature....

They can already do that with "analog" TV. Most content these days
would already be digitally edited before it's sent.

Dave

 

[jg]

"David L. Jones" <altzone@gmail.com> wrote in message
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jg wrote:
"John" <sittinginthepool@internode.on.net> wrote in message
news:43C4FEC3.72995250@internode.on.net...
Supposedly in 2008 we will lose the normal analogue 'free to air'
TV channels. They are then going to leave us with full digital TV
and that's about it.

If that means we have to pay I won't care what's on. It'l be just like
the
50's sitting round the radio and maybe we will be paying a lot less for
the
advertising component of things we buy.

Digital TV is still "Free-to-Air"
Doesn't cost a cent apart from the initial set-top box which can be had
for well under $100.
Digital has lots of advantages over analog, and it is available now.
Yes, there are some shortcomings too, but they are relatively minor.

Ah, OK. Geez I'm losing track, but you get so sick of ra ra advertising for

broadband etc & none of it goes into much detail.

 

[Kill Phil]

On Thu, 12 Jan 2006 15:45:01 +1100, Phil Allison wrote:

the worst that happens is a brief freeze motion.

Kinky.

 

[pedro]

Phil Allison wrote:

"Andy Wood"


"David L. Jones"


..


What do you mean "that's about it"?
Digital TV:
1) is still free-to-air
2) still has the same channels and content
3) has better picture and sound quality


May not be better when there is the slightest thunderstorm in the
area.





** No effect on my pic here in Sydney duign recent lightning.

In any case -the worst that happens is a brief freeze motion.

That usually indicates a weak signal, or a crappy (or faulty) STB.

........... Phil

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rgds,

Pete
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'Atheist: Someone with no invisible means of support'

 

[Alan Rutlidge]

"Kill Phil" <kill.phil@public.hygeine.com> wrote in message
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On Thu, 12 Jan 2006 13:00:46 +1100, Phil Allison wrote:




Big and UGLY !


You want aus.rough.trade ----------------------

ROFL

 

[David L. Jones]

Andy Wood wrote:

"David L. Jones" <altzone@gmail.com> wrote:

John wrote:
Supposedly in 2008 we will lose the normal analogue 'free to air'
TV channels. They are then going to leave us with full digital TV
and that's about it.

What do you mean "that's about it"?
Digital TV:
1) is still free-to-air
2) still has the same channels and content
3) has better picture and sound quality

May not be better when there is the slightest thunderstorm in the
area.

That is one of the (potential) minor problems I noted in another post.
Depends on the STB, signal strength and the installation though.
Worse case, as Phil said is you get a momentrary freeze frame and
sometimes an audio "pop" with it, not a big deal really for those it
happens too.
The benefits of digital far outweight the minor problems IMHO.

Dave

 

[Kill Phil]

On Thu, 12 Jan 2006 13:22:25 +0800, Alan Rutlidge wrote:

"Kill Phil" <kill.phil@public.hygeine.com> wrote in message
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On Thu, 12 Jan 2006 13:00:46 +1100, Phil Allison wrote:




Big and UGLY !


You want aus.rough.trade ----------------------

ROFL

Are you trying to cause trouble?

 

[Phil Allison]

"pedro"

May not be better when there is the slightest thunderstorm in the
area.


** No effect on my pic here in Sydney during recent lightning.

In any case -the worst that happens is a brief freeze motion.


That usually indicates a weak signal,

** WRONG.

Lightning is a very powerful source of interference.

or a crappy (or faulty) STB.

** Wrong again.

Freeze framing is JUST what STBs are designed to do if the signal is
corrupted.




......... Phil

 

[Ken Taylor]

"pedro" <pedro@nowhere.com> wrote in message
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Phil Allison wrote:


"Andy Wood"


"David L. Jones"


..


What do you mean "that's about it"?
Digital TV:
1) is still free-to-air
2) still has the same channels and content
3) has better picture and sound quality


May not be better when there is the slightest thunderstorm in the
area.





** No effect on my pic here in Sydney duign recent lightning.

In any case -the worst that happens is a brief freeze motion.




That usually indicates a weak signal, or a crappy (or faulty) STB.

Actually, 'weak signal', or more accurately, low signal-to-noise, results in
a bit stream which has errors. This can be dealt with in a number of ways by
the STB, and the most customer-friendly is just to freeze the output until
the errors go away (or at least return to a level that can be dealt with by
the ECC).

Ken

........... Phil





--
rgds,

Pete
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[pedro]

Phil Allison wrote:

"pedro"


May not be better when there is the slightest thunderstorm in the
area.



** No effect on my pic here in Sydney during recent lightning.

In any case -the worst that happens is a brief freeze motion.



That usually indicates a weak signal,




** WRONG.

Arr. fuck off. I said usually numb nuts. It's usually the case when
there's a freeze frame that the signal is weak.

Lightning is a very powerful source of interference.

And so the digital signal is weak or corrupted, hence the freeze frame.

or a crappy (or faulty) STB.




** Wrong again.

No.

Freeze framing is JUST what STBs are designed to do if the signal is corrupted.

Right. When there's a weak signal as I said (or an interrupted signal)
or if the box is crappy and gets it's knickers in a knot, or is faulty-
like I said.

......... Phil

 

[Phil Allison]

"pedro"

Phil Allison wrote:

May not be better when there is the slightest thunderstorm in the
area.


** No effect on my pic here in Sydney during recent lightning.

In any case -the worst that happens is a brief freeze motion.


That usually indicates a weak signal,


** WRONG.


Arr. fuck off. I said usually numb nuts.

** Learn to bloody read - wog cretin.

The topic was **lightening** interference.

That can corrupt even the strongest signal.

It's usually the case when there's a freeze frame that the signal is weak.

** WRONG - that is *usually* a sign of a burst of EMI.

Lightning is a very powerful source of interference.


And so the digital signal is weak or corrupted, hence the freeze frame.

or a crappy (or faulty) STB.



** Wrong again.

No.

** Grow up - wog idiot.

Freeze framing is JUST what STBs are designed to do if the signal is
corrupted.


Right. When there's a weak signal as I said (or an interrupted signal) or
if the box is crappy and gets it's knickers in a knot, or is faulty- like
I said.

** Nothing to do with the topic of lightning.

You PITA dumb as dog shit, troll.




......... Phil

 

[Phil Allison]

"Rhapsody"

Thiz Phil guy, is reel personne? No jokink??

** One thing is for sure.

You are not.



......... Phil

 

[Rhapsody]

On Thu, 12 Jan 2006 19:14:01 +1100, Phil Allison wrote:

"Rhapsody"

Thiz Phil guy, is reel personne? No jokink??


** One thing is for sure.

You are not.



........ Phil

Haye theer, Mr Phil. Yoo arr reel! Yoo seam lik reel good guy. I cum
visitt wid yoo, yes? I brink big boddel.

Whair yoo liv, Mr Phil?

 

[The Real Andy]

On Thu, 12 Jan 2006 13:00:46 +1100, "Phil Allison"
<philallison@tpg.com.au> wrote:

"David L. Jones"

Digital TV is still "Free-to-Air"
Doesn't cost a cent apart from the initial set-top box which can be had
for well under $100.
Digital has lots of advantages over analog, and it is available now.
Yes, there are some shortcomings too, but they are relatively minor.



** I still cannot find any true "digital antennas" on sale in Sydney.

That is, one that covers channels 6 - 12 VHF and 28 - 69 UHF - eg Hills
have them in their trade only catalogue.

Excuse my ignorance, but what is a digital antenna? Would I be correct
in assuming that the digital bands are outside of the normal analog
range of channels/antennas?

All the shops and antenna installers want to sell you a full VHF/UHF job.

Big and UGLY !





........ Phil

 

[LDL]

"Phil Allison" <philallison@tpg.com.au> wrote in message
news:42lriaF1k3k6aU1@individual.net...

"David L. Jones"

Digital TV is still "Free-to-Air"
Doesn't cost a cent apart from the initial set-top box which can be had
for well under $100.
Digital has lots of advantages over analog, and it is available now.
Yes, there are some shortcomings too, but they are relatively minor.



** I still cannot find any true "digital antennas" on sale in Sydney.

That is, one that covers channels 6 - 12 VHF and 28 - 69 UHF - eg
Hills have them in their trade only catalogue.

All the shops and antenna installers want to sell you a full VHF/UHF job.

Big and UGLY !

All antennas can receive digital broadcast because the initial carrier wave
is exactly the same. The only difference between the digital antenna and
the regular is that the digital has a larger gain for those bad reception
areas.

Instead of snow for poor reception you get problems such as the sound
processor turning off, pixalation of the pictore or the picture will drop
off entirely.

My "bleeding obvious" guess that the reception that is furtherest away from
the transmitters will be susceptible hence why a digital antenna is the
better choice. Also the choice of cables because they can also cause the
signal to drop. There are grades for digital reception.

........ Phil

 

[Phil Allison]

"The Real Andy"
"Phil Allison"

** I still cannot find any true "digital antennas" on sale in Sydney.

That is, one that covers channels 6 - 12 VHF and 28 - 69 UHF - eg
Hills
have them in their trade only catalogue.

Excuse my ignorance, but what is a digital antenna?

** Must have wanked himself completely blind.

LOL




......... Phil

 

[Phil Allison]

"LDL"

Digital television is still using the same frequencies as the normal
analogue television but the carrier wave will contain the digital signal
rather than the both.

Digital television can come in standard definition and there are high
definition channels. The following channels are in High definition in the
major cities of Australia.

Channel 20 for Channel 2
Channel 30 for SBS 28
Channel 70 for Channel 7
Channel 90 for Channel 9
Channel 12 for Channel 10.

** LDL has mixed up the facts quite a bit.

The channel numbers he quotes above are the new, agreed digital channel
numbers - NOTHING to do with the official analogue FREQUENCY related
ones that have been around for decades.

In reality:

ABC uses analogue Ch 12 for SD, HD and ABC2.

Channel 7 uses analogue Ch 6 for SD and HD.

Channel 9 uses analogue Ch 8 for SD and HD.

Channel 10 uses analogue Ch 11 for SD and HD.

SBS uses analogue Ch 34 for SD, HD and SBS 2.

( Channel 31 is an analogue signal only )

Each old analogue channel can accommodate 2 x SD and 1 x HD signal
simultaneously.





......... Phil

 

[Kill Phil]

On Thu, 12 Jan 2006 22:30:01 +1100, Phil Allison wrote:

"two bob"
** I still cannot find any true "digital antennas" on sale in Sydney.

That is, one that covers channels 6 - 12 VHF and 28 - 69 UHF - eg
Hills have them in their trade only catalogue.

Why are the trade buying them....


** I see no sign they are.

That's because you are looking into the entrails of the wrong chook.