Digital TV In Australia

"Kill Phil" <kill.phil@public.hygeine.com> wrote in message
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On Thu, 12 Jan 2006 13:22:25 +0800, Alan Rutlidge wrote:


"Kill Phil" <kill.phil@public.hygeine.com> wrote in message
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On Thu, 12 Jan 2006 13:00:46 +1100, Phil Allison wrote:




Big and UGLY !


You want aus.rough.trade ----------------------

ROFL

Are you trying to cause trouble?
Moi? Never. I just thought your suggestion was hilarious.
 
On Thu, 12 Jan 2006 20:54:56 +0800, Alan Rutlidge wrote:

"Phil Allison" <philallison@tpg.com.au> wrote in message
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"LDL"

Digital television is still using the same frequencies as the normal
analogue television but the carrier wave will contain the digital signal
rather than the both.

Digital television can come in standard definition and there are high
definition channels. The following channels are in High definition in
the major cities of Australia.

Channel 20 for Channel 2
Channel 30 for SBS 28
Channel 70 for Channel 7
Channel 90 for Channel 9
Channel 12 for Channel 10.


** LDL has mixed up the facts quite a bit.

........ Phil


Maybe LDL has been on too much of the UDL?
LSD, morelike.
 
"Phil Allison" <philallison@tpg.com.au> wrote in message
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"LDL"


I was refering to the digital channels in their location not in
comparison to the analogue - smart mouth.


** Were you ?

I don't think you have a tiny clue.
And what makes you the expert?
 
On Fri, 13 Jan 2006 00:42:44 +1100, "Phil Allison"
<philallison@tpg.com.au> wrote:

"Phil Allison"

** LDL has mixed up the facts quite a bit.

The channel numbers he quotes above are the new, agreed digital channel
numbers - NOTHING to do with the official analogue FREQUENCY related
ones that have been around for decades.

In reality:

ABC uses analogue Ch 12 for SD, HD and ABC2.

Channel 7 uses analogue Ch 6 for SD and HD.

Channel 9 uses analogue Ch 8 for SD and HD.

Channel 10 uses analogue Ch 11 for SD and HD.

SBS uses analogue Ch 34 for SD, HD and SBS 2.

( Channel 31 is an analogue signal only )

Each old analogue channel can accommodate 2 x SD and 1 x HD signal
simultaneously.



** The above is true for the Sydney area and also other capital cities,
except for Ch 31 which is seen only in Sydney.

In rural areas, the VHF band has already been phased out almost
completely and digital TV appears on UHF channels.

See:

http://www.dba.org.au/index.asp?sectionID=22




........ Phil
Hi Phil

Actually, we have Channel 31 in Perth - a 'Public Access' program.

I presume Sydney is similar ?

Dave
 
"Dave Goldfinch"
"Phil Allison"
** LDL has mixed up the facts quite a bit.

The channel numbers he quotes above are the new, agreed digital channel
numbers - NOTHING to do with the official analogue FREQUENCY related
ones that have been around for decades.

In reality:

ABC uses analogue Ch 12 for SD, HD and ABC2.

Channel 7 uses analogue Ch 6 for SD and HD.

Channel 9 uses analogue Ch 8 for SD and HD.

Channel 10 uses analogue Ch 11 for SD and HD.

SBS uses analogue Ch 34 for SD, HD and SBS 2.

( Channel 31 is an analogue signal only )

Each old analogue channel can accommodate 2 x SD and 1 x HD signal
simultaneously.



** The above is true for the Sydney area and also other capital cities,
except for Ch 31 which is seen only in Sydney.

In rural areas, the VHF band has already been phased out almost
completely and digital TV appears on UHF channels.

See:

http://www.dba.org.au/index.asp?sectionID=22


Hi Phil

Actually, we have Channel 31 in Perth - a 'Public Access' program.

I presume Sydney is similar ?


** I see there are Channel 31s in most of the capitals - that UHF
frequency has been allocated to Community TV ( CTV)

Each of them is operated by a different license holder and are analogue
only.

Thanks for the tip Dave.



......... Phil
 
On Thu, 12 Jan 2006 21:37:47 +1100, "Phil Allison"
<philallison@tpg.com.au> wrote:

"The Real Andy"
"Phil Allison"

** I still cannot find any true "digital antennas" on sale in Sydney.

That is, one that covers channels 6 - 12 VHF and 28 - 69 UHF - eg
Hills
have them in their trade only catalogue.

Excuse my ignorance, but what is a digital antenna?



** Must have wanked himself completely blind.

LOL
Perhaps, i do wank a lot.

You still have not answered my question.
 
David L. Jones wrote:
jg wrote:
"John" <sittinginthepool@internode.on.net> wrote in message
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Supposedly in 2008 we will lose the normal analogue 'free to air'
TV channels. They are then going to leave us with full digital TV
and that's about it.

If that means we have to pay I won't care what's on. It'l be just like the
50's sitting round the radio and maybe we will be paying a lot less for the
advertising component of things we buy.

Digital TV is still "Free-to-Air"
Doesn't cost a cent apart from the initial set-top box which can be had
for well under $100.
Digital has lots of advantages over analog, and it is available now.
Yes, there are some shortcomings too, but they are relatively minor.

Dave :)
We have MAJOR issues picking up the analogue tv service in our area, so
what chance has digital got in such a situation. I would imagine it
would have a signal strength requirement like satellite services, where
it has to have a minimum signal before it can display its picture etc.
We have ABC with fuzz, Prime (7) in black and white, SBS depends on the
weather, NBN (9) drops in and out as it pleases and Southern Star (10)
is good some nights and non existent on other nights. We have a masthead
booster and two antennas (one uhf and the other has both bands) so all
according to the twits in this area installing them should be fine. Over
the road from us can't get normal FTA tv because of the powerlines and
both beside and behind us have the same as us. The olds a few hundred
metres away need three antennas to get a 1/2 decent service and the
signal is not good enough on ANY to get teletext which I used to use all
the time when I spent some time in Sydney.
 
"Tsunami Australia"
We have MAJOR issues picking up the analogue tv service in our area, so
what chance has digital got in such a situation.

** Bad fucking luck.

Where broadcast analogue reception is entirely fortuitous - there is NO
NEED WHATEVER to supply YOU any TV service.

Make other arrangements if you want free to air TV signals.

SAME goes for ALL broadcast media.




.......... Phil
 
On Fri, 13 Jan 2006 14:16:58 GMT, Tsunami Australia <glen@gocconline.despam.com> wrote:


We have MAJOR issues picking up the analogue tv service in our area, so
what chance has digital got in such a situation. I would imagine it
would have a signal strength requirement like satellite services, where
it has to have a minimum signal before it can display its picture etc.
We have ABC with fuzz, Prime (7) in black and white, SBS depends on the
weather, NBN (9) drops in and out as it pleases and Southern Star (10)
is good some nights and non existent on other nights. We have a masthead
booster and two antennas (one uhf and the other has both bands) so all
according to the twits in this area installing them should be fine. Over
the road from us can't get normal FTA tv because of the powerlines and
both beside and behind us have the same as us. The olds a few hundred
metres away need three antennas to get a 1/2 decent service and the
signal is not good enough on ANY to get teletext which I used to use all
the time when I spent some time in Sydney.
Where are you located?
 
On Fri, 13 Jan 2006 14:16:58 GMT, Tsunami Australia
<glen@gocconline.despam.com> wrote:

We have MAJOR issues picking up the analogue tv service in our area, so
what chance has digital got in such a situation. I would imagine it
would have a signal strength requirement like satellite services, where
it has to have a minimum signal before it can display its picture etc.
We have ABC with fuzz, Prime (7) in black and white, SBS depends on the
weather, NBN (9) drops in and out as it pleases and Southern Star (10)
is good some nights and non existent on other nights. We have a masthead
booster and two antennas (one uhf and the other has both bands) so all
according to the twits in this area installing them should be fine. Over
the road from us can't get normal FTA tv because of the powerlines and
both beside and behind us have the same as us. The olds a few hundred
metres away need three antennas to get a 1/2 decent service and the
signal is not good enough on ANY to get teletext which I used to use all
the time when I spent some time in Sydney.
Some info may be of interest in this document.

http://www.dba.org.au/uploads/templates/files/DBA_Installing_DTTB_Basic_Domestic_Systems.pdf

Also have a look here, particularly the last couple of sentences.

http://www.avcomm.com.au/page4uam.htm

In short, if your analogue reception is so poor or non-existent, then
digital may not work for you. However if you haven't already, you
should also look over the DBA website, particularly the link re when
is digital coming to your area. You may get satisfactory reception
from another site.
 
"Kill Phil" <kill.phil@public.hygeine.com> wrote in message
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On Thu, 12 Jan 2006 23:52:37 +1100, two bob wrote:


** Must have wanked himself completely blind.

LOL

Whos wanking, he has a genuine question that you obviously cant
answer.


** I dont believe this.

Is there a blindness epidemic ??



Only became apparent after you arrived.

You must be a carrier...

Does that carrier require a special aerial??

Why do you think he wears that tin-foil hat?
Must be a very directional (biased) hat.
 
On Sat, 14 Jan 2006 20:33:05 +1100, two bob wrote:

"Kill Phil" <kill.phil@public.hygeine.com> wrote in message
news:42n2kcF1k69ldU3@individual.net...
On Thu, 12 Jan 2006 23:52:37 +1100, two bob wrote:


** Must have wanked himself completely blind.

LOL

Whos wanking, he has a genuine question that you obviously cant
answer.


** I dont believe this.

Is there a blindness epidemic ??



Only became apparent after you arrived.

You must be a carrier...

Does that carrier require a special aerial??

Why do you think he wears that tin-foil hat?

Must be a very directional (biased) hat.
The focal point is down to fill in the gap.
 
They're probably going more to places like Mr.Antenna, etc, dedicated
antenna installers, rather than retail outlets .. I know when i got my new
antenna on, i got it from bunnings and it is a combination antenna ..
actually what I had to get as we have a combination of analogue and digital
sets throughout our house running from the one antenna now, but I did notice
there was a lack of dedicated digital antennas ..


"Phil Allison" <philallison@tpg.com.au> wrote in message
news:42msttF1j9idpU1@individual.net...
"two bob"
** I still cannot find any true "digital antennas" on sale in Sydney.

That is, one that covers channels 6 - 12 VHF and 28 - 69 UHF - eg
Hills have them in their trade only catalogue.

Why are the trade buying them....


** I see no sign they are.




......... Phil
 
"Lord-Data"
They're probably going more to places like Mr.Antenna, etc, dedicated
antenna installers, rather than retail outlets ..

** No sign of them on offer on those guys web sites.

The wacky thing is that most folk NEVER watch the ABC yet are forced to buy
antennas 3 times bigger than needed anyhow.

A "digital antenna" will work fine for all current analogue signals except
Ch 2.


........... Phil




"Phil Allison" <philallison@tpg.com.au> wrote in message
news:42msttF1j9idpU1@individual.net...

"two bob"
** I still cannot find any true "digital antennas" on sale in Sydney.

That is, one that covers channels 6 - 12 VHF and 28 - 69 UHF - eg
Hills have them in their trade only catalogue.

Why are the trade buying them....


** I see no sign they are.


......... Phil
 
dmm wrote:
On Fri, 13 Jan 2006 14:16:58 GMT, Tsunami Australia <glen@gocconline.despam.com> wrote:


We have MAJOR issues picking up the analogue tv service in our area, so
what chance has digital got in such a situation. I would imagine it
would have a signal strength requirement like satellite services, where
it has to have a minimum signal before it can display its picture etc.
We have ABC with fuzz, Prime (7) in black and white, SBS depends on the
weather, NBN (9) drops in and out as it pleases and Southern Star (10)
is good some nights and non existent on other nights. We have a masthead
booster and two antennas (one uhf and the other has both bands) so all
according to the twits in this area installing them should be fine. Over
the road from us can't get normal FTA tv because of the powerlines and
both beside and behind us have the same as us. The olds a few hundred
metres away need three antennas to get a 1/2 decent service and the
signal is not good enough on ANY to get teletext which I used to use all
the time when I spent some time in Sydney.

Where are you located?
West of Forster.
 
noone@nowhere.com wrote:
On Fri, 13 Jan 2006 14:16:58 GMT, Tsunami Australia
glen@gocconline.despam.com> wrote:

We have MAJOR issues picking up the analogue tv service in our area, so
what chance has digital got in such a situation. I would imagine it
would have a signal strength requirement like satellite services, where
it has to have a minimum signal before it can display its picture etc.
We have ABC with fuzz, Prime (7) in black and white, SBS depends on the
weather, NBN (9) drops in and out as it pleases and Southern Star (10)
is good some nights and non existent on other nights. We have a masthead
booster and two antennas (one uhf and the other has both bands) so all
according to the twits in this area installing them should be fine. Over
the road from us can't get normal FTA tv because of the powerlines and
both beside and behind us have the same as us. The olds a few hundred
metres away need three antennas to get a 1/2 decent service and the
signal is not good enough on ANY to get teletext which I used to use all
the time when I spent some time in Sydney.

Some info may be of interest in this document.

http://www.dba.org.au/uploads/templates/files/DBA_Installing_DTTB_Basic_Domestic_Systems.pdf

Also have a look here, particularly the last couple of sentences.

http://www.avcomm.com.au/page4uam.htm

In short, if your analogue reception is so poor or non-existent, then
digital may not work for you. However if you haven't already, you
should also look over the DBA website, particularly the link re when
is digital coming to your area. You may get satisfactory reception
from another site.
Thanks for that, looking at the info now. That K band system is
expensive, the local Leading Edge Electronics has a C1 system, box and
dish $400 or if we already have an Austar dish, the box for $250. Looks
like it may be the option..although I'm getting sick of the BS on tv
most of the time anyway.
 
Tsunami Australia wrote:
.although I'm getting sick of the BS on tv
most of the time anyway.
I've decided I'd rather spend the money on cheap DVDs (10 movies for
$8), by the time I spend the amount I would have spent on stuff to get
digital, I'll have an impressive collection of shit that is better that
the movies on free to air.
 
Parmin wrote:
Tsunami Australia <glen@gocconline.despam.com> while reading the
NewsGroups, found courage and express out opinion in
news:A9tyf.217851$V7.60863@news-server.bigpond.net.au:


West of Forster.

I got digital setup done at Smiths Lake up on 5 meter pole.
You should be able to do similar, just use higher pole maybe?
Ontop of my last, I think our biggest issue is the fact that the
antennas are not really designed for poor reception areas and every
person down the street with the same antenna (both V and U) have the
exact same issue. If we weren't renting I would buy a couple of 8footers
like the old man has, but since he is in a gully, even they are finding
it hard to keep reception.
 
Terry Collins wrote:
Tsunami Australia wrote:
.although I'm getting sick of the BS on tv
most of the time anyway.

I've decided I'd rather spend the money on cheap DVDs (10 movies for
$8), by the time I spend the amount I would have spent on stuff to get
digital, I'll have an impressive collection of shit that is better that
the movies on free to air.
And probably not as repetitive. I laugh at Austar/Foxtel/Optus now, when
it come out they made proud that it had no ads like FTA tv, now
everytime we go to the inlaws in Penrith who have Optus cable, it has as
many ads as our FTA but at a BS price.
 

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