Digital TV In Australia

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John

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Supposedly in 2008 we will lose the normal analogue 'free to air'
TV channels. They are then going to leave us with full digital TV
and that's about it.

One thought does arise from this and this may sound, and probably
even IS far fetched but could the use of Digital signals lead to direct
manipulation of content?

ie: editing of news items on the fly if they are of a sensitive nature....
 
"John" <sittinginthepool@internode.on.net> wrote in message
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Supposedly in 2008 we will lose the normal analogue 'free to air'
TV channels. They are then going to leave us with full digital TV
and that's about it.

If that means we have to pay I won't care what's on. It'l be just like the
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50's sitting round the radio and maybe we will be paying a lot less for the
advertising component of things we buy.
 
jg wrote:
"John" <sittinginthepool@internode.on.net> wrote in message
news:43C4FEC3.72995250@internode.on.net...
Supposedly in 2008 we will lose the normal analogue 'free to air'
TV channels. They are then going to leave us with full digital TV
and that's about it.

If that means we have to pay I won't care what's on. It'l be just like the
50's sitting round the radio and maybe we will be paying a lot less for the
advertising component of things we buy.
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Digital TV is still "Free-to-Air"
Doesn't cost a cent apart from the initial set-top box which can be had
for well under $100.
Digital has lots of advantages over analog, and it is available now.
Yes, there are some shortcomings too, but they are relatively minor.

Dave :)
 
"David L. Jones" <altzone@gmail.com> wrote:

John wrote:
Supposedly in 2008 we will lose the normal analogue 'free to air'
TV channels. They are then going to leave us with full digital TV
and that's about it.

What do you mean "that's about it"?
Digital TV:
1) is still free-to-air
2) still has the same channels and content
3) has better picture and sound quality
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May not be better when there is the slightest thunderstorm in the
area.

Andy Wood
woodag@trap.ozemail.com.au
 
"Andy Wood"
"David L. Jones"
..

What do you mean "that's about it"?
Digital TV:
1) is still free-to-air
2) still has the same channels and content
3) has better picture and sound quality

May not be better when there is the slightest thunderstorm in the
area.
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** No effect on my pic here in Sydney duign recent lightning.

In any case -the worst that happens is a brief freeze motion.




........... Phil
 
Ken Taylor wrote:


"pedro" <pedro@nowhere.com> wrote in message
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Phil Allison wrote:


"Andy Wood"


"David L. Jones"


What do you mean "that's about it"?
Digital TV:
1) is still free-to-air
2) still has the same channels and content
3) has better picture and sound quality


May not be better when there is the slightest thunderstorm in the
area.


** No effect on my pic here in Sydney duign recent lightning.

In any case -the worst that happens is a brief freeze motion.



That usually indicates a weak signal, or a crappy (or faulty) STB.




Actually, 'weak signal', or more accurately, low signal-to-noise, results in
a bit stream which has errors. This can be dealt with in a number of ways by
the STB, and the most customer-friendly is just to freeze the output until
the errors go away (or at least return to a level that can be dealt with by
the ECC).
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That's right. And sometimes the STB will do it even with a good signal,
as Panasonic is noted for.


Ken
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On Thu, 12 Jan 2006 06:56:02 +0000, pedro wrote:

That's right. And sometimes the STB will do it even with a good signal,
as Panasonic is noted for.
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Pliz not to endink ov tha sentanse wid an PREPOSITION.
 
On Thu, 12 Jan 2006 18:38:37 +1100, Phil Allison wrote:


......... Phil
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The autistic toaster-boy from Summer Hill is back in classic form after a
week's treatment.
 
On Thu, 12 Jan 2006 18:38:37 +1100, Phil Allison wrote:

"pedro"
Phil Allison wrote:

May not be better when there is the slightest thunderstorm in the
area.


** No effect on my pic here in Sydney during recent lightning.

In any case -the worst that happens is a brief freeze motion.


That usually indicates a weak signal,


** WRONG.


Arr. fuck off. I said usually numb nuts.


** Learn to bloody read - wog cretin.

The topic was **lightening** interference.

That can corrupt even the strongest signal.


It's usually the case when there's a freeze frame that the signal is weak.


** WRONG - that is *usually* a sign of a burst of EMI.


Lightning is a very powerful source of interference.


And so the digital signal is weak or corrupted, hence the freeze frame.

or a crappy (or faulty) STB.



** Wrong again.

No.


** Grow up - wog idiot.


Freeze framing is JUST what STBs are designed to do if the signal is
corrupted.


Right. When there's a weak signal as I said (or an interrupted signal) or
if the box is crappy and gets it's knickers in a knot, or is faulty- like
I said.


** Nothing to do with the topic of lightning.

You PITA dumb as dog shit, troll.




......... Phil
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Thiz Phil guy, is reel personne? No jokink??
 
"Kill Phil" <kill.phil@public.hygeine.com> wrote in message
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On Thu, 12 Jan 2006 15:45:01 +1100, Phil Allison wrote:


the worst that happens is a brief freeze motion.

Kinky.
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I'll second that motion.
 
"John" <sittinginthepool@internode.on.net> wrote in message
news:43C4FEC3.72995250@internode.on.net...
Supposedly in 2008 we will lose the normal analogue 'free to air'
TV channels. They are then going to leave us with full digital TV
and that's about it.

One thought does arise from this and this may sound, and probably
even IS far fetched but could the use of Digital signals lead to direct
manipulation of content?

ie: editing of news items on the fly if they are of a sensitive nature....
Click to expand...
Digital television is still using the same frequencies as the normal
analogue television but the carrier wave will contain the digital signal
rather than the both.

Digital television can come in standard definition and there are high
definition channels. The following channels are in High definition in the
major cities of Australia.

Channel 20 for Channel 2
Channel 30 for SBS 28
Channel 70 for Channel 7
Channel 90 for Channel 9
Channel 12 for Channel 10.

Digital television also has sub-channels that most television stations can
utilise as the second camera channel for major sporting events. Channel 21
is the ABC-2 and Channel 31 is the SBS News. Both government stations also
has a few channels that is broadcasting the radio.

For more info try this: http://www.dba.org.au/
 
"Andy Wood" <woodag@trap.ozemail.com.au> wrote in message
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"David L. Jones" <altzone@gmail.com> wrote:

John wrote:
Supposedly in 2008 we will lose the normal analogue 'free to air'
TV channels. They are then going to leave us with full digital TV
and that's about it.

What do you mean "that's about it"?
Digital TV:
1) is still free-to-air
2) still has the same channels and content
3) has better picture and sound quality

May not be better when there is the slightest thunderstorm in the
area.
Click to expand...
Had no problems at all in Melb Metro during slight or severe thunderstorm.

Andy Wood
woodag@trap.ozemail.com.au
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** I still cannot find any true "digital antennas" on sale in Sydney.

That is, one that covers channels 6 - 12 VHF and 28 - 69 UHF - eg
Hills have them in their trade only catalogue.
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Why are the trade buying them if it's not to resell them to the retail
trade?


All the shops and antenna installers want to sell you a full VHF/UHF job.

Big and UGLY !





........ Phil
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The Real Andy wrote:
On Thu, 12 Jan 2006 13:00:46 +1100, "Phil Allison"
philallison@tpg.com.au> wrote:


"David L. Jones"

Digital TV is still "Free-to-Air"
Doesn't cost a cent apart from the initial set-top box which can be had
for well under $100.
Digital has lots of advantages over analog, and it is available now.
Yes, there are some shortcomings too, but they are relatively minor.



** I still cannot find any true "digital antennas" on sale in Sydney.

That is, one that covers channels 6 - 12 VHF and 28 - 69 UHF - eg Hills
have them in their trade only catalogue.

Excuse my ignorance, but what is a digital antenna? Would I be correct
in assuming that the digital bands are outside of the normal analog
range of channels/antennas?
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Digial TV can have channels outside what normal analog TV antenna are
designed for.
In Sydney the ABC on digital for instance is on CH12 instead of CH2.
Many older analog VHF antenna can have significant loss of gain on
CH12. "Digital" antenna are simply designed for these channels.
See www.dba.org.au for the channel allocation.

There are also "log periodic" digital antenna that claim to achieve
lower bit error rate on digital TV, at the expense of gain.

Dave :)
 
** I still cannot find any true "digital antennas" on sale in Sydney.

That is, one that covers channels 6 - 12 VHF and 28 - 69 UHF - eg
Hills
have them in their trade only catalogue.

Excuse my ignorance, but what is a digital antenna?



** Must have wanked himself completely blind.

LOL
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Whos wanking, he has a genuine question that you obviously cant answer. Is
the digital aerial made of digital aluminium? I know I did my apprenticeship
more years ago than I would like to admit, but I was under the impression
that aerials worked on carrier wavelength.
 
"two bob"

** I still cannot find any true "digital antennas" on sale in Sydney.

That is, one that covers channels 6 - 12 VHF and 28 - 69 UHF - eg
Hills have them in their trade only catalogue.

Excuse my ignorance, but what is a digital antenna?



** Must have wanked himself completely blind.

LOL

Whos wanking, he has a genuine question that you obviously cant answer.
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** I dont believe this.

Is there a blindness epidemic ??





.......... Phil
 
"two bob"
** I still cannot find any true "digital antennas" on sale in Sydney.

That is, one that covers channels 6 - 12 VHF and 28 - 69 UHF - eg
Hills have them in their trade only catalogue.

Why are the trade buying them....
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** I see no sign they are.




.......... Phil
 
Phil Allison wrote:


"pedro"


Phil Allison wrote:



May not be better when there is the slightest thunderstorm in the
area.


** No effect on my pic here in Sydney during recent lightning.

In any case -the worst that happens is a brief freeze motion.



That usually indicates a weak signal,



** WRONG.



Arr. fuck off. I said usually numb nuts.




** Learn to bloody read - wog cretin.

The topic was **lightening** interference.

That can corrupt even the strongest signal.
Click to expand...
But I wasn't talking about lightning. I was making a general comment
about freeze frame.


It's usually the case when there's a freeze frame that the signal is weak.




** WRONG - that is *usually* a sign of a burst of EMI.




Lightning is a very powerful source of interference.



And so the digital signal is weak or corrupted, hence the freeze frame.



or a crappy (or faulty) STB.


** Wrong again.



No.




** Grow up - wog idiot.
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I'm a WASP shithead!


Freeze framing is JUST what STBs are designed to do if the signal is
corrupted.



Right. When there's a weak signal as I said (or an interrupted signal) or
if the box is crappy and gets it's knickers in a knot, or is faulty- like
I said.




** Nothing to do with the topic of lightning.

You PITA dumb as dog shit, troll.
Click to expand...
Fuck off and die!
 
"pedro"

** Learn to bloody read - wog cretin.

The topic was **lightening** interference.

That can corrupt even the strongest signal.


But I wasn't talking about lightning. I was making a general comment about
freeze frame.
Click to expand...

** Wrong place.

Wrong time.

Idiot TROLL.



............ Phil
 
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