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"Phil Allison" <philallison@tpg.com.au> said

"Kwyjibo."

An no matter what ANYONE says - there is nothing in Consumer Law that
states change of mind purchases can be returned...

Bzzzt. Wrong on that one.


** In the context of purchases made form a store it is correct.
Pity he made a blanket statement about 'nothing in consumer law', you
illiterate fuckwit.



--

Kwyj.

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On Wed, 08 Dec 2004 13:30:46 +1100, Richard Waters wrote:

"Mathew M." <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
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| On Sun, 05 Dec 2004 21:37:14 +1100, Phil Allison wrote:
[snip]
|
| > A DSE customer could pull that criminal stunt exactly once only at
| > a
| > given store.
|
| Bullshit. They're allowed to by DSE policy, and it aint criminal.

Mathew,

I used to work for DSE, and did so a while as a manager - the policy was
changed to allow for this buy and return while I was there so that some
people could buy new technology and use it, and if it didnt quite fit then
it could be returned... ...it was ment as a "good faith" and a "fair go"
sort of thing and at the time, no other stores had this policy... ...and
in fact most still dont.

I can tell you now - the staff in the stores are trained enough to know
whats going on (yeah, even some of the "dumb-arsed casuals").
Or the dumb arsed permanent ones. No shortage of those at DSE, Harvey
Norman etc.

Lets just say that, it may work the first or second time, but not after
that - you would be "remembered" in that store, and most likely the
details passed on to other surround stores too...
You could do it a bunch of times over a long period. You'd be forgotten
about soon enough, when the next bunch of goons are working in that shop.

...I know what the
policy was back when I was working, and how this info was passed on, but
these days I dont know what they would do.

An no matter what ANYONE says - there is nothing in Consumer Law that
states change of mind purchases can be returned... ...so actually DSE is
doing anyone who uses this policy a HUGE favor! If an item is "...not fit
for the purpose of its purchase - does not fullfil the warrent of its
advertisement..." then they are DEFINATELY required to refund - not they
are not liable for refund on change of mind.

There is NO excuse these days, with internet, TV, radio, Libraries,
catalogues, techlology magazines and their massive reviews of new and
interesting products - for DUMB/ill-informed Customers... :p
Heaps of stuff NEVER gets a public review. Especially the cheaper gear.

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"Richard Waters" <legerdemain@SpAmSuCkSiprimus.com.au> wrote in message
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"Mathew M." <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
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An no matter what ANYONE says - there is nothing in Consumer Law that
states
change of mind purchases can be returned... ...so actually DSE is doing
anyone who uses this policy a HUGE favor!
Depends on the legal jurisdiction.

If an item is "...not fit for the
purpose of its purchase - does not fullfil the warrent of its
advertisement..." then they are DEFINATELY required to refund - not they
are
not liable for refund on change of mind.
Your language is a little convoluted but presumably you're talking about
goods sold not being "fit for the purpose of their intended use" or not
performing in the manner described by advertising, POS literature or,
importantly, by sales staff. Those are all grounds for the customer
requiring the retailer to remeby the situation.

Note that the customer can in fact force the retailer to remedy the
situation at no cost to the customer - this could be far more onerous for
the retailer than simply calling the sale off by refunding the customer. It
might, for example, require the retailer to upgrade the product. So, for
example, if a customer buys a $99 DVD player and the salesman claims prior
to sale that the unit will make DVD recordings then the customer, upon
discovering that recordings can't be made, could require the vendor to
supply a DVD recorder at no additional cost. Ouch!

There is NO excuse these days, with internet, TV, radio, Libraries,
catalogues, techlology magazines and their massive reviews of new and
interesting products - for DUMB/ill-informed Customers... :p
Cheap stuff (of the type frequently sold by DSE under "house" brand names)
is often poorly described in POS literature, carries minimal instructions,
is not backed by a web site and is mis-understood by sales staff, leading to
false claims by the staff and grounds for the customer to return the goods.
 
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An no matter what ANYONE says - there is nothing in Consumer Law that
states
change of mind purchases can be returned... ...so actually DSE is
doing
anyone who uses this policy a HUGE favor!

Depends on the legal jurisdiction.

If an item is "...not fit for the
purpose of its purchase - does not fullfil the warrent of its
advertisement..." then they are DEFINATELY required to refund - not they
are
not liable for refund on change of mind.

Your language is a little convoluted but presumably you're talking about
goods sold not being "fit for the purpose of their intended use" or not
performing in the manner described by advertising, POS literature or,
importantly, by sales staff. Those are all grounds for the customer
requiring the retailer to remeby the situation.

Note that the customer can in fact force the retailer to remedy the
situation at no cost to the customer - this could be far more onerous for
the retailer than simply calling the sale off by refunding the customer.
It
might, for example, require the retailer to upgrade the product. So, for
example, if a customer buys a $99 DVD player and the salesman claims prior
to sale that the unit will make DVD recordings then the customer, upon
discovering that recordings can't be made, could require the vendor to
supply a DVD recorder at no additional cost. Ouch!
Sorry, the law doesnt work this way.
Entitled to a full refund but you cannot enforce the above scenario
 
"The Family"
Note that the customer can in fact force the retailer to remedy the
situation at no cost to the customer - this could be far more onerous for
the retailer than simply calling the sale off by refunding the customer.
It might, for example, require the retailer to upgrade the product. So,
for example, if a customer buys a $99 DVD player and the salesman claims
prior to sale that the unit will make DVD recordings then the customer,
upon discovering that recordings can't be made, could require the vendor
to supply a DVD recorder at no additional cost. Ouch!

** You just made all that up.




........... Phil
 
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An no matter what ANYONE says - there is nothing in Consumer Law that
states
change of mind purchases can be returned... ...so actually DSE is
doing
anyone who uses this policy a HUGE favor!

Depends on the legal jurisdiction.

If an item is "...not fit for the
purpose of its purchase - does not fullfil the warrent of its
advertisement..." then they are DEFINATELY required to refund - not
they
are
not liable for refund on change of mind.

Your language is a little convoluted but presumably you're talking about
goods sold not being "fit for the purpose of their intended use" or not
performing in the manner described by advertising, POS literature or,
importantly, by sales staff. Those are all grounds for the customer
requiring the retailer to remeby the situation.

Note that the customer can in fact force the retailer to remedy the
situation at no cost to the customer - this could be far more onerous
for
the retailer than simply calling the sale off by refunding the customer.
It
might, for example, require the retailer to upgrade the product. So,
for
example, if a customer buys a $99 DVD player and the salesman claims
prior
to sale that the unit will make DVD recordings then the customer, upon
discovering that recordings can't be made, could require the vendor to
supply a DVD recorder at no additional cost. Ouch!

Sorry, the law doesnt work this way.
Entitled to a full refund but you cannot enforce the above scenario
You certainly can. It's simple contract law. A supplier must meet the
terms of supply - if I buy a box on the basis that the claims it will
record, then the box must record. MANY sales people are not properly
trained in this area of contract law.

Ask any lawyer if in doubt. I am in no doubt.
 
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An no matter what ANYONE says - there is nothing in Consumer Law that
states
change of mind purchases can be returned... ...so actually DSE is
doing
anyone who uses this policy a HUGE favor!

Depends on the legal jurisdiction.

If an item is "...not fit for the
purpose of its purchase - does not fullfil the warrent of its
advertisement..." then they are DEFINATELY required to refund - not
they
are
not liable for refund on change of mind.

Your language is a little convoluted but presumably you're talking about
goods sold not being "fit for the purpose of their intended use" or not
performing in the manner described by advertising, POS literature or,
importantly, by sales staff. Those are all grounds for the customer
requiring the retailer to remeby the situation.

Note that the customer can in fact force the retailer to remedy the
situation at no cost to the customer - this could be far more onerous
for
the retailer than simply calling the sale off by refunding the customer.
It
might, for example, require the retailer to upgrade the product. So,
for
example, if a customer buys a $99 DVD player and the salesman claims
prior
to sale that the unit will make DVD recordings then the customer, upon
discovering that recordings can't be made, could require the vendor to
supply a DVD recorder at no additional cost. Ouch!

Sorry, the law doesnt work this way.
Entitled to a full refund but you cannot enforce the above scenario

You certainly can. It's simple contract law.
Not a fucking clue, as always.

A supplier must meet the terms of supply - if I buy a box on the
basis that the claims it will record, then the box must record.
Have fun actually proving that they claimed
that in the situation being discussed.

MANY sales people are not properly
trained in this area of contract law.
And plenty of fools like you havent got a clue about the basics.

Ask any lawyer if in doubt. I am in no doubt.
More fool you.
 
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Do you think some 14-year-and-9-months pissy 'sales staff' being paid $13
per hour cares???
Do you really think they pay 14 year olds, $13 an hour? The adults would be
lucky to get that.

TonyP.
 
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An no matter what ANYONE says - there is nothing in Consumer Law
that
states
change of mind purchases can be returned... ...so actually DSE is
doing
anyone who uses this policy a HUGE favor!

Depends on the legal jurisdiction.

If an item is "...not fit for the
purpose of its purchase - does not fullfil the warrent of its
advertisement..." then they are DEFINATELY required to refund - not
they
are
not liable for refund on change of mind.

Your language is a little convoluted but presumably you're talking
about
goods sold not being "fit for the purpose of their intended use" or
not
performing in the manner described by advertising, POS literature or,
importantly, by sales staff. Those are all grounds for the customer
requiring the retailer to remeby the situation.

Note that the customer can in fact force the retailer to remedy the
situation at no cost to the customer - this could be far more onerous
for
the retailer than simply calling the sale off by refunding the
customer.
It
might, for example, require the retailer to upgrade the product. So,
for
example, if a customer buys a $99 DVD player and the salesman claims
prior
to sale that the unit will make DVD recordings then the customer, upon
discovering that recordings can't be made, could require the vendor
to
supply a DVD recorder at no additional cost. Ouch!

Sorry, the law doesnt work this way.
Entitled to a full refund but you cannot enforce the above scenario

You certainly can. It's simple contract law.

Not a fucking clue, as always.

A supplier must meet the terms of supply - if I buy a box on the
basis that the vendor claims it will record, then the box must record.

Have fun actually proving that they claimed
that in the situation being discussed.
Easy. Make sure there's a witness or record the interaction - or preferably
both.

MANY sales people are not properly
trained in this area of contract law.

And plenty of fools like you havent got a clue about the basics.
Huh? Go back to law school or take some advice.

Ask any lawyer if in doubt. I am in no doubt.

More fool you.
I've successfully prosecuted several claims on this basis - as have a myriad
of other people through the ages. No fool.
 
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Do you think some 14-year-and-9-months pissy 'sales staff' being paid
$13
per hour cares???

Do you really think they pay 14 year olds, $13 an hour? The adults would
be
lucky to get that.
Agreed
Its probably $7.21 or some such truck
 
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An no matter what ANYONE says - there is nothing in Consumer Law that
states
change of mind purchases can be returned... ...so actually DSE is
doing
anyone who uses this policy a HUGE favor!

Depends on the legal jurisdiction.

If an item is "...not fit for the
purpose of its purchase - does not fullfil the warrent of its
advertisement..." then they are DEFINATELY required to refund - not
they
are
not liable for refund on change of mind.

Your language is a little convoluted but presumably you're talking about
goods sold not being "fit for the purpose of their intended use" or not
performing in the manner described by advertising, POS literature or,
importantly, by sales staff. Those are all grounds for the customer
requiring the retailer to remeby the situation.

Note that the customer can in fact force the retailer to remedy the
situation at no cost to the customer - this could be far more onerous
for
the retailer than simply calling the sale off by refunding the customer.
It
might, for example, require the retailer to upgrade the product. So,
for
example, if a customer buys a $99 DVD player and the salesman claims
prior
to sale that the unit will make DVD recordings then the customer, upon
discovering that recordings can't be made, could require the vendor to
supply a DVD recorder at no additional cost. Ouch!

Sorry, the law doesnt work this way.
Entitled to a full refund but you cannot enforce the above scenario

You certainly can. It's simple contract law.

Not a fucking clue, as always.

A supplier must meet the terms of supply - if I buy a box on the
basis that the vendor claims it will record, then the box must record.

Have fun actually proving that they claimed
that in the situation being discussed.

Easy.
Nope.

Make sure there's a witness or record the interaction - or preferably both.
Wota fucking wanker.

MANY sales people are not properly
trained in this area of contract law.

And plenty of fools like you havent got a clue about the basics.

Huh? Go back to law school or take some advice.
Wota fucking wanker.

Ask any lawyer if in doubt. I am in no doubt.

More fool you.

I've successfully prosecuted several claims on this basis -
You're lying with the sort of retail transaction being discussed.

as have a myriad of other people through the ages. No fool.
You're lying with the sort of retail transaction being discussed.
 
On Mon, 6 Dec 2004 08:03:22 +1100, "Phil Allison"
<philallison@tpg.com.au> put finger to keyboard and composed:

"Franc Zabkar"
"Phil Allison"

It is not a play and return policy.

It seems to me that this policy is excessively generous and open to
abuse.


** DSE staff are expected to control any abuse - you dopey wog
fuckwit.

Are you still living at the same address?



** Still fixing VCRs in Shellharbour are you ??
Still fixing amps from the backyard of some rented shack in Summer
Hill, are you?

As for me, Phil, these days I'm not doing much of anything. I just do
the occasional job for friends and acquaintances. You see, I'm
approaching the big Five Oh and I've decided that I'm going to retire
.... for real this time. In fact I'd kind of retired at the age of 35,
after I'd closed down my Singapore office and returned to Australia.
Up until then I had been freelancing as a tech support engineer
offering OS level software support and chip level hardware support to
minicomputer clients, both in Australia and Asia. These million dollar
systems were very lucrative. The computers, workstations and
peripherals were usually serviced at board level, at a cost of $10K
per board, so anyone who could troubleshoot to chip level could earn
any sum he chose. I could often charge $1000 per hour, depending on
the job, simply because I had the market all to myself. And believe
me, Phil, third party maintenance was a very interesting and
challenging field because it involved a lot of improvisation,
innovation, and lateral thinking. I wrote my own diagnostics, I hacked
code including boot ROMs and CPU microcode, I modified hardware when
parts were unavailable, etc. The equipment was both analogue and
digital, with a large assortment of peripherals such as plotters,
printers, monitors, reel-to-reel tapes, 250kg hard discs, and
digitizers. I had a lot of fun and spent a lot of time in many
different countries, and in several states of Australia. Suffice to
say that I never need to see another piece of electronics ever again,
let alone the defunct VCR, especially as the recent property boom has
consolidated my future.

You, OTOH, Phil, appear to have placed all your eggs in the analogue
basket. In fact your animosity toward "digital" people suggests that
the digital age has passed you by, which is unfortunate because that's
where the world has been heading for quite some time. Of course you
could always retrain, but the job market isn't kind to 52 year old
learners. So what will you do when amp repair stops paying your rent?
Will you spend even more of your waking hours spewing bile at all and
sundry from your keyboard?

What's to stop someone buying an expensive plasma TV just for
the World Cup or Olympic Games, for example, and then returning it
when the event is over, and before it hits his credit card?



** So you have no idea how credit card transactions work either ??

Huh?


** Quote: " ...... returning it ....... before it hits his credit card
"

No can do.


( snip pile of irrelevant garbage desperately trying to cover his mistake)
I can see that you've never qualified for a credit card. Let me
explain it to you another way.

Let the cost of the goods be X. The subject transactions can then be
represented by the following equation:

X - X = 0

This relationship is true for all values of X, at least in this
universe.

Now let Y be the balance of a customer's credit card. The effect of
the previous transactions can be expressed thus:

Y + X - X = Y + (X - X) = Y + 0 = Y

Hence, as the final balance is equal to the initial balance, the
customer suffers no "hit" on his credit card account.

A DSE customer could pull that criminal stunt exactly once only at a
given store.


I suspect that if this was his first return a customer would be given
the benefit of doubt.



** You really do have trouble reading don't you - a DSE customer could
pull that criminal stunt exactly once only at a given store.
No, it is you who has trouble reading. The customer would probably be
given the benefit of doubt on his first return, ie it would be
accepted by the store that this was not a criminal stunt. Subsequent
returns may raise flags, however.


- Franc Zabkar
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"Franc Zabkar"
"Phil Allison"
** DSE staff are expected to control any abuse - you dopey wog
fuckwit.

Are you still living at the same address?



** Still fixing VCRs in Shellharbour are you ??

Still fixing amps from the backyard of some rented shack in Summer
Hill, are you?

** Bet my 2BR flat in the middle of Sydney is worth more than your house in
some rural estate in the middle of Lake Illawarra half way between
Wollongong an Kiama.




You, OTOH, Phil, appear to have placed all your eggs in the analogue
basket.

** There is still a huge amount of *professional* analogue electronics
that needs to be kept working.

Not at all like throw away consumer / digital crap.



In fact your animosity toward "digital" people suggests that
the digital age has passed you by, which is unfortunate because that's
where the world has been heading for quite some time.

** No money in PC repairs at all - pure monkey work.



** So you have no idea how credit card transactions work either ??

Huh?


** Quote: " ...... returning it ....... before it hits his credit
card
"

No can do.


( snip pile of irrelevant garbage desperately trying to cover his
mistake)

I can see that you've never qualified for a credit card. Let me
explain it to you another way.

** Get stuffed you evil, posturing wog turd.

You posted a dumb error - get over it and grow up.



A DSE customer could pull that criminal stunt exactly once only at a
given store.

I suspect that if this was his first return a customer would be given
the benefit of doubt.


** You really do have trouble reading don't you - a DSE customer could
pull that criminal stunt exactly once only at a given store.

No, it is you who has trouble reading.

** Get stuffed you evil, posturing wog turd.


The customer would probably be
given the benefit of doubt on his first return,

** NOT in the outrageous example of fraud YOU made up.

" What's to stop someone buying an expensive plasma TV just for
the World Cup or Olympic Games, for example, and then returning it
when the event is over, and before it hits his credit card? "


ie it would be accepted by the store that this was not a criminal stunt.

** Not in the example YOU invented - you evil, posturing wog turd.




............ Phil
 
On Sun, 12 Dec 2004 19:59:21 +1100, "Phil Allison"
<philallison@tpg.com.au> put finger to keyboard and composed:

"Franc Zabkar"
"Phil Allison"

** DSE staff are expected to control any abuse - you dopey wog
fuckwit.

Are you still living at the same address?



** Still fixing VCRs in Shellharbour are you ??

Still fixing amps from the backyard of some rented shack in Summer
Hill, are you?


** Bet my 2BR flat in the middle of Sydney is worth more than your house in
some rural estate in the middle of Lake Illawarra half way between
Wollongong an Kiama.
I bet your *landlady's* 2BR pigeonhole in the middle of Sydney is
worth more than most properties in the Illawarra. And I expect that
nobody would be more aware of that than you, especially if the
property boom of the last few years has impacted on your lease.

You, OTOH, Phil, appear to have placed all your eggs in the analogue
basket.


** There is still a huge amount of *professional* analogue electronics
that needs to be kept working.
You're welcome to it, Phil. Last time I looked, the cost of a
technician, analogue or otherwise, hadn't changed since the early
80's. OTOH, the cost of real estate has increased tenfold.

Not at all like throw away consumer / digital crap.



In fact your animosity toward "digital" people suggests that
the digital age has passed you by, which is unfortunate because that's
where the world has been heading for quite some time.


** No money in PC repairs at all - pure monkey work.
Too true. I'm *so* glad I made the right move when I was young. In any
case the IT money isn't in repair, it's in support.

** So you have no idea how credit card transactions work either ??

Huh?


** Quote: " ...... returning it ....... before it hits his credit
card
"

No can do.


( snip pile of irrelevant garbage desperately trying to cover his
mistake)

I can see that you've never qualified for a credit card. Let me
explain it to you another way.



** Get stuffed you evil, posturing wog turd.

You posted a dumb error - get over it and grow up.
If you ever qualify for a credit card, all will become clear.


- Franc Zabkar
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"Franc Zabkar"
"Phil Allison"

** Bet my 2BR flat in the middle of Sydney is worth more than your house
in
some rural estate in the middle of Lake Illawarra half way between
Wollongong an Kiama.

I bet your *landlady's* 2BR pigeonhole in the middle of Sydney is
worth more than most properties in the Illawarra. And I expect that
nobody would be more aware of that than you, especially if the
property boom of the last few years has impacted on your lease.
** Rents have actually gone DOWN in this area in the last 2 years due to
over supply - the rental market is separate from the property one.

My modern unit is no pigeonhole - you arsehole.



** There is still a huge amount of *professional* analogue electronics
that needs to be kept working.

You're welcome to it, Phil. Last time I looked, the cost of a
technician, analogue or otherwise, hadn't changed since the early
80's.

** Then you better try looking again - arsehole.


In fact your animosity toward "digital" people suggests that
the digital age has passed you by, which is unfortunate because that's
where the world has been heading for quite some time.


** No money in PC repairs at all - pure monkey work.

Too true. I'm *so* glad I made the right move when I was young. In any
case the IT money isn't in repair, it's in support.
** Not electronics at all.


I can see that you've never qualified for a credit card. Let me
explain it to you another way.


** Get stuffed you evil, posturing wog turd.

You posted a dumb error - get over it and grow up.

If you ever qualify for a credit card, all will become clear.

** Had one for nearly 10 years - essential for parts ordering over the
phone.


What you need to qualify for, Frank, is credibility - since you just
lost it all.






................ Phil
 

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