device for testing UK adsl signal

[R Johnson]

On Sat, 04 Jul 2009 16:31:51 +0100, Graham. wrote:

On Sat, 04 Jul 2009 11:09:59 +0100, Peter Crosland wrote:

Not bitter and twisted then? That's reassuring

When people resort to shouting and abusive language like this it is a
clear sign they have totally lost the plot. Sounds like an ex BT
employee who did not make the grade to me so I added him to my
killfile..

Peter Crosland

Always been a wanker know-nothing, always will be.

He's an arrogant so-and-so isn't he?

A quick look at his posting profile shows he rarely contributes to a
thread unless he is the OP, a sure indicator of a troll.

A few weeks ago he needed help identifying an signal he received on his
HF "scanner". It occurred to me if his data-comms experience is not up
to identifying simple FSK Baudot, what chance has he got
troubleshooting a complex DMT signal?

I have some sympathy for him. I was always brought up to not be too harsh
to retards and those with special needs. I just wish he would stop making
himself look such a dick with him imaginary kill file. I mean, look at
this from his header;

X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512

You've got to just roll on the floor and laugh at that. Next time I'm in
Mickey Mouse Microsoft Outlook Express Land I'll add him to my fantasy
kill-file. That's what makes him the wanker - his post was just retarded
as normal. I'm waiting for the predictable 'I only saw your response
because somebody else followed up' YAWN.

Need to correct my typing hands on the post. Of course I meant PTO - not
PTR. Having just contributed to an anti-spam group I had PTR on the brain.

 

[Clint Sharp]

In message <XyJ3m.17445$%Q1.3382@newsfe12.ams2>, Ato_Zee
<ato_zee@hotmail.com> writes

On 4-Jul-2009, Clint Sharp <clint@clintsmc.demon.co.uk> wrote:

waiting for the adsl light to stop blinking is for amateurs.
I guess it must be a special, professional, blinking LED on the Vonaq
then..

To me the blinking light means negotiation process.
I guess it depends which modem/router combo you have, some blink when

synced, some are steady, some change colour. It's programmable on some
of the reference designs.

--
Clint Sharp

 

[Baron]

tg wrote:

"Graham." <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
news:h2kv1l$kci$1@news.eternal-september.org...

And you have to ask yourself even if your instrument identifies a
problem, what are you going to do about it?

for a start I'd be more certain about what the situation really is,
I'd be more certain about what I could and couldn't do about it, and
I'd be able to inform the client with greater honesty about what they
should do. Many might not care about that, but it means a lot to me.

The fact is unless you are a BT engineer anything upto the master socket
(demarcation point) is not your responsibility ! The only wiring you
are legally allowed to touch is internal, ie from the master socket.
Only from that point, then consumer takes full responsibility.

--
Best Regards:
Baron.

 

[kráftéé]

"Baron" <baron.nospam@linuxmaniac.nospam.net> wrote in message
news:h2obae$omg$1@news.eternal-september.org...

tg wrote:


"Graham." <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
news:h2kv1l$kci$1@news.eternal-september.org...

And you have to ask yourself even if your instrument identifies a
problem, what are you going to do about it?

for a start I'd be more certain about what the situation really is,
I'd be more certain about what I could and couldn't do about it,
and
I'd be able to inform the client with greater honesty about what
they
should do. Many might not care about that, but it means a lot to
me.

The fact is unless you are a BT engineer anything upto the master
socket
(demarcation point) is not your responsibility ! The only wiring
you
are legally allowed to touch is internal, ie from the master socket.
Only from that point, then consumer takes full responsibility.

--
Best Regards:
Baron.

Sorry Baron the rules changed around 2-3 years ago.

Anything inside the house & run along the outside the house is liable
to charges being made, with the proviso that if the cables are on a
wall directly accessible from the street then charges may not be
raised. Similarly if you have an overhead cable going thru a tree on
your property & it damages the cable, guess who's going to get
charged.....

Yes I know I'm going to be called a liar and that I'm exaggerating and
that I don't know what I'm talking about, but remember the charges are
raised against your service provider, it's up to them whether they
pass them onto you. Why do you think Openreach was profitable last
year?

 

[Baron]

krĂĄftĂŠĂŠ wrote:

"Baron" <baron.nospam@linuxmaniac.nospam.net> wrote in message
news:h2obae$omg$1@news.eternal-september.org...
tg wrote:


"Graham." <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
news:h2kv1l$kci$1@news.eternal-september.org...

And you have to ask yourself even if your instrument identifies a
problem, what are you going to do about it?

for a start I'd be more certain about what the situation really is,
I'd be more certain about what I could and couldn't do about it,
and
I'd be able to inform the client with greater honesty about what
they
should do. Many might not care about that, but it means a lot to
me.

The fact is unless you are a BT engineer anything upto the master
socket
(demarcation point) is not your responsibility ! The only wiring
you
are legally allowed to touch is internal, ie from the master socket.
Only from that point, then consumer takes full responsibility.

--
Best Regards:
Baron.

Sorry Baron the rules changed around 2-3 years ago.

Anything inside the house & run along the outside the house is liable
to charges being made, with the proviso that if the cables are on a
wall directly accessible from the street then charges may not be
raised. Similarly if you have an overhead cable going thru a tree on
your property & it damages the cable, guess who's going to get
charged.....

Yes I know I'm going to be called a liar and that I'm exaggerating and
that I don't know what I'm talking about, but remember the charges are
raised against your service provider, it's up to them whether they
pass them onto you. Why do you think Openreach was profitable last
year?

Why on earth should you be called a liar ? Rules change !
It doesn't actually alter the fact that the OP doesn't have the right to
do any work on the wiring on BT's side... Unless he is a BT employee
of course, in which case why does he need to buy his own kit !

--
Best Regards:
Baron.

 

[The Natural Philosopher]

Baron wrote:

tg wrote:

"Graham." <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
news:h2kv1l$kci$1@news.eternal-september.org...
And you have to ask yourself even if your instrument identifies a
problem, what are you going to do about it?
for a start I'd be more certain about what the situation really is,
I'd be more certain about what I could and couldn't do about it, and
I'd be able to inform the client with greater honesty about what they
should do. Many might not care about that, but it means a lot to me.

The fact is unless you are a BT engineer anything upto the master socket
(demarcation point) is not your responsibility ! The only wiring you
are legally allowed to touch is internal, ie from the master socket.
Only from that point, then consumer takes full responsibility.

Its not a legal issue, so much as the fine print in the service contract

with BT.

And generally only invoked when you call BT out to fix a fault that is
definitely down to your ham fisted tampering with their line. They will
charge you.

 

[Clive]

"tg" <tg@nospamevereverever.net> wrote in message
news:upudnS6bMsympdbXnZ2dnUVZ8lednZ2d@eclipse.net.uk...

in my job fixing internet connections (here in the UK) I constantly
collide
with bad adsl signals and dodgy home telephone wiring and I need a device
that tests the presence/level/quality of the adsl signal on the line -
something I can plug into the BT socket and get an accurate reading. I
specifically want to test for any deterioration in the adsl signal in
extension sockets coming off the main socket.
I figured there must be a gadget somewhere that can do this but I've never
seen one. I've heard the argument about using routers but I'm not
interested in that, I'd rather get a dedicated device. Does anyone know of
such equipment?
thanks for any advice.


Yes, an ADSL router and a laptop. The router will show sync speed and if

the
line is crap it will show as a lower rate.
If you don't know how to perform such a basic test, do post the name of your
company so people can avoid you - you sound like a cowboy.

 

[Clive]

"tg" <tg@nospamevereverever.net> wrote in message
newssSdnRc-lpy_ENPXnZ2dnUVZ8jMAAAAA@eclipse.net.uk...

"Graham." <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
news:h2kv1l$kci$1@news.eternal-september.org...

And you have to ask yourself even if your instrument identifies a
problem, what are you going to do about it?

for a start I'd be more certain about what the situation really is, I'd be
more certain about what I could and couldn't do about it, and I'd be able
to inform the client with greater honesty about what they should do. Many
might not care about that, but it means a lot to me.

Definite cowboy. Use a fancy looking bit of test equipment and get
the customer to pay more. Just make sure you know what you are
talking about when you visit, you might get caught out.
I'm still waiting for you to post your company name so we can all
avoid you.

 

[Clive]

"tg" <tg@nospamevereverever.net> wrote in message
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"Clint Sharp" <clint@clintsmc.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
news:a0SlzzCSWcTKFwKc@clintsmc.demon.co.uk...
In message <EtSdne7Qif7ehtDXnZ2dnUVZ8tadnZ2d@eclipse.net.uk>, tg
tg@nospamevereverever.net> writes
thanks for all the responses here. I think that once funds allow, I'll be
getting a Vonaq 500 tester. It's closer to my (recession-hit) budget and
from what I gather it will provide the info I want from the line. If
anyone
has used one of these devices and wants to enlighten us all about it's
pro's and con's go right ahead..



I'm not criticising your decision to buy test equipment, it's laudable to
want to do the job properly but I just wonder why, if BT engineers used
to use a fairly simple USB modem and a laptop to determine line quality
etc. that isn't good enough for you?

aspring to be as good as a BT engineer is like aspiring to be a bin man. I
want to be ahead of them, not level with them.
waiting for the adsl light to stop blinking is for amateurs.



If you had a decent education, qualifications and business sense, you would

not need to ask in a newsgroup.

I suspect you are a cowboy facing prosecution for ripping people off, or you
are doing your first year university course and after ideas for a project
but
can't be bothered making any effort.
Come on, what is your company name?
If you were qualified in any way you would have a job by now - there is no
point having a go at people that do have a job because you appear too thick.

 

[R Johnson]

On Sun, 05 Jul 2009 20:03:19 +0100, Clive wrote:

"tg" <tg@nospamevereverever.net> wrote in message
news:upudnS6bMsympdbXnZ2dnUVZ8lednZ2d@eclipse.net.uk...
in my job fixing internet connections (here in the UK) I constantly
collide
with bad adsl signals and dodgy home telephone wiring and I need a
device that tests the presence/level/quality of the adsl signal on the
line - something I can plug into the BT socket and get an accurate
reading. I specifically want to test for any deterioration in the adsl
signal in extension sockets coming off the main socket. I figured there
must be a gadget somewhere that can do this but I've never seen one.
I've heard the argument about using routers but I'm not interested in
that, I'd rather get a dedicated device. Does anyone know of such
equipment?
thanks for any advice.


Yes, an ADSL router and a laptop. The router will show sync speed and
if the
line is crap it will show as a lower rate. If you don't know how to
perform such a basic test, do post the name of your company so people
can avoid you - you sound like a cowboy.

I have to agree - sounds awful to me. But the fact there is a market for
people like this to step in to is a worry. Could this be because of the
service they get from Openreach? Could this be because of the fear of
being charged over ÂŁ100 if it happens to be customer equipment? This has
left a space in the market for others to operate that may not have the
skills or know how needed to get the job done.

As an aside. I remember back in my time at BT the hideously expensive
'Presto' tester. So expensive there was usually only 1 per exchange. I
forget what it was that rendered them useless overnight, but perhaps the
poster can look on eBay for one if he needs a toy to hold on to

 

[Baron]

R Johnson wrote:

On Sun, 05 Jul 2009 20:03:19 +0100, Clive wrote:

"tg" <tg@nospamevereverever.net> wrote in message
news:upudnS6bMsympdbXnZ2dnUVZ8lednZ2d@eclipse.net.uk...
in my job fixing internet connections (here in the UK) I constantly
collide
with bad adsl signals and dodgy home telephone wiring and I need a
device that tests the presence/level/quality of the adsl signal on
the line - something I can plug into the BT socket and get an
accurate reading. I specifically want to test for any deterioration
in the adsl signal in extension sockets coming off the main socket.
I figured there must be a gadget somewhere that can do this but I've
never seen one. I've heard the argument about using routers but I'm
not interested in that, I'd rather get a dedicated device. Does
anyone know of such equipment?
thanks for any advice.


Yes, an ADSL router and a laptop. The router will show sync speed
and if the
line is crap it will show as a lower rate. If you don't know how to
perform such a basic test, do post the name of your company so people
can avoid you - you sound like a cowboy.

I have to agree - sounds awful to me. But the fact there is a market
for people like this to step in to is a worry. Could this be because
of the service they get from Openreach? Could this be because of the
fear of being charged over ÂŁ100 if it happens to be customer
equipment? This has left a space in the market for others to operate
that may not have the skills or know how needed to get the job done.

Yes it has left a gap in the market ! Simply because the ISP's don't
provide good support for the user. They just send out a kit,
admittedly with good instructions, but many people just don't
understand what is in front of them. Or probably more accurately don't
read the instructions in them.

In my experience, people sign up for broadband and then when the kit
arrives, usually days before the switch on date, connect everything up
and then don't understand why it doesn't work.

Also many people decide to have the bedrooms wired for a telephone !
Which in itself is not a problem, the phone always works. If the phone
works then so should the router/modem plugged into the extention. They
simply don't have a clue as to why it may or may not work. Often it
doesn't.

This is the perfect situation for a cowboy to take advantage of !

As an aside. I remember back in my time at BT the hideously expensive
'Presto' tester. So expensive there was usually only 1 per exchange. I
forget what it was that rendered them useless overnight, but perhaps
the poster can look on eBay for one if he needs a toy to hold on to

--
Best Regards:
Baron.