Court authorized wiretaps in the U.S. surged last year

[Reg Edwards]

Right. If you're planning a serious felony, use good encryption,
and
it's best not to plan your hits over your cell phone.

You don't even have to be careful if you're planning a mere
felony. They
still can't get a warrant until after the crime. But due to the
extremely
oppressive patriot act they can get a warrant if a terrorist act
seems to be
in planning, instead of having to wait.

===============================

Warrants are useless rubber-stamp formalities. The authoriser doesn't
have time to investigate the necessity even if he is so inclined. A
relatively few warrants are issued and reported to give the general
public the impression that law and order is working smoothly. The CIA,
MI5 and MI6 can tap anybody's phone and e-mails, undetectable, at
anytime just by dialling your phone number and pressing button B. And
no doubt they do - supposedly in the nation's and oil-companies
interests. Warrants are unnecessary cumbrances.

Whilst in the background, giant computers, day and night, continuously
sample communication systems traffic, on radio, phone and the
Internet, searching incessently for key words and phrases in many
languages. Just like Google but many times more powerful.

Take care, Big Brother is watching and listening for you!

 

[Reg Edwards]

...and that's a bad thing? They _do_ have to have probable cause,
in
either case.

==============================

No, they don't.

In the so-called national and oil companies interests, all must be
kept secret.

Even the person who authorises warrants is wasting his time asking. He
just hands the matter to his secretary who has a rubber-stamping
machine.

Bang! and it's all over and done with.

 

[hamilton]

This is where you RIGHT WING idiots don't get it.

probable cause if you are a drug dealer.
probable cause if you are screwing some republichristrian wife.
probable cause if you don't agree with the war in ??????.

The patriot act opens the door to anything the gov'mt wants.

that's why the constitution is under attack.

Anything, anybody wants.

GET IT !!!!!

keith wrote:

On Sun, 01 May 2005 01:34:08 +0000, Tom Del Rosso wrote:


"John Larkin" <jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote in message
news:dvj4719u2dfmeh8ng6ek2k35bm8upnh40i@4ax.com...

Right. If you're planning a serious felony, use good encryption, and
it's best not to plan your hits over your cell phone.

You don't even have to be careful if you're planning a mere felony. They
still can't get a warrant until after the crime. But due to the extremely
oppressive patriot act they can get a warrant if a terrorist act seems to be
in planning, instead of having to wait.


...and that's a bad thing? They _do_ have to have probable cause, in
either case.

 

[Jim Thompson]

On Sat, 30 Apr 2005 23:36:11 -0600, hamilton
<hamilton@deminsional.com> wrote:

This is where you RIGHT WING idiots don't get it.

probable cause if you are a drug dealer.
probable cause if you are screwing some republichristrian wife.
probable cause if you don't agree with the war in ??????.

The patriot act opens the door to anything the gov'mt wants.

that's why the constitution is under attack.

Anything, anybody wants.

GET IT !!!!!

[snip]

You DO need to worry ;-)

...Jim Thompson
--
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| Phoenix, Arizona Voice480)460-2350 | |
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I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.

 

[Rich Grise]

On Sun, 01 May 2005 01:34:08 +0000, Tom Del Rosso wrote:

"John Larkin" <jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote in message
news:dvj4719u2dfmeh8ng6ek2k35bm8upnh40i@4ax.com...

Right. If you're planning a serious felony, use good encryption, and
it's best not to plan your hits over your cell phone.

You don't even have to be careful if you're planning a mere felony. They
still can't get a warrant until after the crime. But due to the extremely
oppressive patriot act they can get a warrant if a terrorist act seems to be
in planning, instead of having to wait.

Well, one of the times I was in jail, one of my roommates was in for
"making terroristic threats", and this was way before 1999. So, apparently,
they _can_ get you for stuff you say. (albeit, the fellow didn't mention
if assault or weapons were involved.)

Cheers!
Rich

 

[Rich Grise]

On Sun, 01 May 2005 04:20:42 +0000, Reg Edwards wrote:

Take care, Big Brother is watching and listening for you!

Well, yeah, there's "Who watches the watchers", but how many i-cops would
it take to monitor the billions and billions of internet communications
going on?

Thanks,
Rich

 

[Richard the Dreaded Liber]

On Sun, 01 May 2005 04:38:47 +0000, Reg Edwards wrote:

...and that's a bad thing? They _do_ have to have probable cause,
in
either case.

==============================

No, they don't.

In the so-called national and oil companies interests, all must be
kept secret.

Reg, are you in England or something? ('Reg' is a terribly English-
sounding name, you know.) I took note of Georgie Porgie holding hands
with prince whooptifratz, asking him to lower his prices, and wonder,
howcome he doesn't ask his employers to lower theirs? I guess it's
like the weapons of mass destruction propaganda - who's going to
monitor the US's weapons of mass destruction?

Thanks,
Rich

 

[Richard the Dreaded Liber]

On Sat, 30 Apr 2005 23:36:11 -0600, hamilton wrote:

This is where you RIGHT WING idiots don't get it.

probable cause if you are a drug dealer.
probable cause if you are screwing some republichristrian wife.
probable cause if you don't agree with the war in ??????.

The patriot act opens the door to anything the gov'mt wants.

that's why the constitution is under attack.

Anything, anybody wants.

GET IT !!!!!

Well, it became pretty obvious on this morning's teevee nooz that
Pat Robertson is the antichrist.

Good Luck!
Rich

 

[Richard the Dreaded Liber]

On Sat, 30 Apr 2005 20:22:53 -0700, John Larkin wrote:

On Sun, 01 May 2005 01:34:08 GMT, "Tom Del Rosso"
ng01@att.net.invalid> wrote:

"John Larkin" <jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote in message
news:dvj4719u2dfmeh8ng6ek2k35bm8upnh40i@4ax.com...

Right. If you're planning a serious felony, use good encryption, and
it's best not to plan your hits over your cell phone.

You don't even have to be careful if you're planning a mere felony. They
still can't get a warrant until after the crime. But due to the extremely
oppressive patriot act ...


I sort of *like* the idea of oppressing terrorists.

Has it ever occurred to you that "terrorism" is a _response_ to

'oppression'? How terrifying is it to have the US war machine
descend upon your wife and children? Who's the real terrorist there?

Thanks,
Rich

 

[Richard the Dreaded Liber]

On Sun, 01 May 2005 04:13:39 +0000, Robert wrote:

But never mind, the fantasies/nightmares of leftist wienies never come
true.

Feh. Leftist, Rightist, Cristian, Buddist, Moslem, Jewist,

They're all Statists. It turns out that you can be a right-wing statist
or a left-wing statist - in the end result, they're indistinguishable one
from the other.

Hasn't anybody yet tried to find a middle ground? Oh- can't do that! You'd
have to admit that your enemy has the same right to life that you have.
Can't have any of that heresy.

Thanks,
Rich

 

[John Larkin]

On Sun, 01 May 2005 19:26:26 GMT, Richard the Dreaded Libertarian
<eatmyshorts@doubleclick.net> wrote:

On Sat, 30 Apr 2005 20:22:53 -0700, John Larkin wrote:

On Sun, 01 May 2005 01:34:08 GMT, "Tom Del Rosso"
ng01@att.net.invalid> wrote:

"John Larkin" <jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote in message
news:dvj4719u2dfmeh8ng6ek2k35bm8upnh40i@4ax.com...

Right. If you're planning a serious felony, use good encryption, and
it's best not to plan your hits over your cell phone.

You don't even have to be careful if you're planning a mere felony. They
still can't get a warrant until after the crime. But due to the extremely
oppressive patriot act ...


I sort of *like* the idea of oppressing terrorists.

Has it ever occurred to you that "terrorism" is a _response_ to
'oppression'?

Actually, no.

How terrifying is it to have the US war machine
descend upon your wife and children? Who's the real terrorist there?

The guys who blow up airplanes and buildings and mosques.

John

 

[John Woodgate]

I read in sci.electronics.design that Richard the Dreaded Libertarian
<eatmyshorts@doubleclick.net> wrote (in
<pan.2005.05.01.19.30.40.564619@doubleclick.net&gt about 'Court
authorized wiretaps in the U.S. surged last year', on Sun, 1 May 2005:

Feh. Leftist, Rightist, Cristian, Buddist, Moslem, Jewist,

They're all Statists. It turns out that you can be a right-wing statist
or a left-wing statist - in the end result, they're indistinguishable
one from the other.

If you suffer from statism, can you be cured by a statistician?

Hasn't anybody yet tried to find a middle ground? Oh- can't do that!
You'd have to admit that your enemy has the same right to life that you
have. Can't have any of that heresy.

Nah, they ALL claim to be centrists; they can always point to someone
more extreme. We even had some of that on this NG a while back.

We in UK used to have a pretty unsuccessful centre party - the old
Liberal party (actually, I think it still exists). But the current
'third' party - the Liberal Democrats (or for Rich G., the Ditheral
Lemoncrats, because their political 'colour' is yellow)- is now aiming
to the left of New Labour, and there is indeed room there between New
Labour and the Loony Left.

No-one know how they will fare next Thursday. They could create
political mayhem by splitting the votes of both major parties. What they
really want is the balance of power, so that they can demand
proportional representation in return for their support (of Labour). But
by pre-empting that they will not form a coalition with the
Conservatives, they nullify their bargaining power with Labour. It is
perhaps typical that they don't understand that.
--
Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only.
There are two sides to every question, except
'What is a Moebius strip?'
http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Also see http://www.isce.org.uk

 

[John Woodgate]

I read in sci.electronics.design that Richard the Dreaded Libertarian
<eatmyshorts@doubleclick.net> wrote (in
<pan.2005.05.01.19.27.05.740541@doubleclick.net&gt about 'Court
authorized wiretaps in the U.S. surged last year', on Sun, 1 May 2005:

Has it ever occurred to you that "terrorism" is a _response_ to
'oppression'?

It often is, but the terrorism continues for decades after the
oppression is no more.

How terrifying is it to have the US war machine descend upon your wife
and children?

Pretty scary to have ANY war machine descend on you, even if it's as
small a machine as the IRA or the original Taliban.

Who's the real terrorist there?

I don't think you can class a disciplined army as 'terrorists'. The US
troops in Europe during WW2 seem to have been largely a disciplined
force. When discipline is violated or breaks down, it's a different
matter. But such incidents, bad as they are, are few, yet get maximum
publicity. You don't get news reports about civilian thugs not being
shot, or women not being raped.
--
Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only.
There are two sides to every question, except
'What is a Moebius strip?'
http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Also see http://www.isce.org.uk

 

[John Woodgate]

I read in sci.electronics.design that Rich Grise <richgrise@example.net>
wrote (in <pan.2005.05.01.19.18.38.943971@example.net&gt about 'Court
authorized wiretaps in the U.S. surged last year', on Sun, 1 May 2005:

Well, one of the times I was in jail, one of my roommates was in for
"making terroristic threats", and this was way before 1999.

Of course, he was telling the absolute truth. (;-)

So, apparently, they _can_ get you for stuff you say. (albeit, the
fellow didn't mention if assault or weapons were involved.)

Making hoax bomb calls would be 'making terroristic threats', and you
know how disruptive and costly they can be.
--
Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only.
There are two sides to every question, except
'What is a Moebius strip?'
http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Also see http://www.isce.org.uk

 

[John Woodgate]

I read in sci.electronics.design that Bob Monsen <rcsurname@comcast.net>
wrote (in <4bqdnRv2j4gv3OjfRVn-rA@comcast.com&gt about 'Court authorized
wiretaps in the U.S. surged last year', on Sun, 1 May 2005:

Once a state religion is mandated,

Any time now (in the US)?

Of course, in England we've had a state religion for about 450 years.
Successive Protestant and Roman Catholic rulers didn't need wire-taps to
have a go at the opposition.
--
Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only.
There are two sides to every question, except
'What is a Moebius strip?'
http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Also see http://www.isce.org.uk

 

[Bob Monsen]

John Woodgate wrote:

I read in sci.electronics.design that Bob Monsen <rcsurname@comcast.net
wrote (in <4bqdnRv2j4gv3OjfRVn-rA@comcast.com&gt about 'Court authorized
wiretaps in the U.S. surged last year', on Sun, 1 May 2005:

Once a state religion is mandated,


Any time now (in the US)?

Oh, I don't think so, but the way things are going, who knows?

Of course, in England we've had a state religion for about 450 years.
Successive Protestant and Roman Catholic rulers didn't need wire-taps to
have a go at the opposition.

Of course. Technology just makes like easier, doesn't it?

 

[Reg Edwards]

How terrifying is it to have the US war machine
descend upon your wife and children? Who's the real terrorist
there?


The guys who blow up airplanes and buildings and mosques.

=================================

Keep death rates in proportion.

Far more people are killed on the roads every 12 months.

Far more people are killed by bullets every 12 months.

 

[Clarence_A]

"Reg Edwards" <g4fgq.regp@ZZZbtinternet.com> wrote in message
news:d53ndg$l3u$1@nwrdmz02.dmz.ncs.ea.ibs-infra.bt.com...

How terrifying is it to have the US war machine
descend upon your wife and children? Who's the real terrorist
there?

The guys who blow up airplanes and buildings and mosques.
=================================
Keep death rates in proportion.
Far more people are killed on the roads every 12 months.
Far more people are killed by bullets every 12 months.

Far more people die by natural causes every 12 months.

 

[Clifford Heath]

Bob Monsen wrote:

The terrorists are generally pissed off about globalization

Why? What evidence do you have for that claim?

In my observation, if they're fighting a political (rather
than religious) cause, it's over the abuse of economic power.
Globalization did not cause these abuses, and in fact is
removing them. It's progressively levelling out the standard
of living across the globe. [Obligatory on-topic note: That's
why there are so many un(der)employed EEs in the USA.] Now that
some of the previous generation's poor countries (India, China)
are wealthy enough to afford proper education, there's real
hope of the luxuries of democracy and freedom. Globalization
will progressively extend that to the rest of the world - to the
perceived detriment of last century's abusers of economic power.
Not just, but including, the USA.

I suppose there might be religious terrorists worried about
their countries becoming comfortable and bourgeois, and hence
becoming less interested in religious fundamentalism, but that's
a different concern.

Clifford Heath.

 

[John Larkin]

On Mon, 02 May 2005 10:49:35 +1000, Clifford Heath <no@spam.please>
wrote:

I suppose there might be religious terrorists worried about
their countries becoming comfortable and bourgeois, and hence
becoming less interested in religious fundamentalism, but that's
a different concern.

What they're really afraid of is the power of their women.

John