Cockies in the cable

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On Apr 22, 11:06 pm, "PhilD" <Ph...@NT.au> wrote:

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On 22/04/2011 3:15 AM, Rod Speed wrote:
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But back on topic, why the cocky attack was not anticipated
screams inexperience (or worse, a couldn't care less attitude).
And if it was anticipated, the inference is less friendly.

I re-read the original stories and for someone claiming to have
worked up in that area you display an ignorance of what is required
to do a permanent repair, let alone in remote locations. How do you
expect them to get heavy cable ploughing&  trenching equipment in
to an area still subject to flooding until the end of the Wet
Season? The choice will come down to doing an immediate temporary
patch up or waiting weeks to get to do something more permanent,
but I doubt that Customers off the air will tolerate that. If this
was a major trunk connection it has to be attended to very
urgently, even in a temporary manner. Of course repairs are going
to be temporary and I'm sure that there are plenty of similar
urgent repairs that have happened in QLD/NSW/Vic with this seasons
floods everywhere. Not all replacements can happen immediately
when for example you have bridges destroyed that were themselves
being used as crossing points for some services. There are things
like manpower and equipment limitations to get all jobs done to
your satisfaction immediately. For that blame Politicians, not the
people on the front line who are mostly the people on the
receiving end of the bitching from whingers like you who think
that only they are the priority. You could of course go to an
alternative supplier and ask them to provide services in those
areas, but don't hold your breath as they will only go where they
can make a good profit, not because of social responsibility to
cover the whole of Australia.

 From all the staff I worked with who were involved in restoration
work in remote areas I only ever saw dedication to getting
Customers back on line as quickly as possible while having to put
up with very trying work conditions, long hours and long distance
travel, and of course the odd whinger like you. They deserve
better support from above and definitely better from the likes of
you.

thanks Phil for your wonderfully objective assessment of Telstra's
efforts.  I expected no less from you.

And yes, I *have* been personally "sleeves rolled up and tools in
hand" doing 14-16 hour days, ten days straight, in immediate
post-cyclone service restoration.

But again, in case you missed it, this isn't about me (or you) - it's
about the fact that a cocky attack seems to have been unexpected.

Nope, its actually about there not being any viable alternative
available at the time.

Cite?

Dont need a cite for something as basic as that.
 With a reputation as shitty as your there is a dire need to see a cite
and nothing but a fool opinion would claim otherwise

Have fun listing what viable alternatives were available at that time
that werent used.

And YOU made that claim.
 You failed to prove the facts wrong

I would regard myself as an outsider in this personal issue and it's the
dickhead "who where" that needs dealing with in this case. I would agree
with the comment by Rod. The people who go out and do these faults don't
always start the trip to the fault knowing what has to be done. So often its
location could be identified but what they will find there could be far
worse than anticipated. Regardless of issues of staff/equipment shortages
you don't go to an unknown fault location with trenching/ploughing gear,
km's of new fibre and a large crew. It can be down to a single person who
has driven a very large distance in a van, or a light aircraft with limited
equipment, or a helicopter with even less gear, then a borrowed vehicle to
the site. At times even a hovercraft has been trialled or just a plain ally
dinghy. The cause of the fault could be as a result of flooding that have
taken out roads that stop a full repair job. To expect that every fault will
allow a full repair crew and heavy equipment to access the site immediately
is just ridiculous. You can't compare how a repair might be handled in a
Capital City to what happens in remote areas of the tropics in the middle of
the Wet Season. As the subject repair was done in a temporary manner it
should be accepted that it was just the appropriate thing to be done at the
time. That it was then subjected to the Cockie attack is just one of those
bad luck things. Unless anyone can prove that there was more to it, people
should just accept it as that and move on. The story reads more like one of
those animal interest stories that are used by the media to fill in when
there's no real news.

One of the earliest stories we used to hear was about repair crews going out
to an open cct open wire line to find that overnight thieves had stolen
miles of copper wire. You just can't attend every fault with every bit of
equipment to repair every conceivable fault. This is no less true these
days.

That the dickhead "who where" has fixated on the word's "not anticipated"
while failing to give equal relevance to the word "temporary" just shows a
lack of education as it apparently hasn't got that far in the dictionary
yet. That the dickhead had expectations that more should have been done and
claiming that it had worked in that region and infers that it knows the
conditions must be bullshit. Claims of having worked in Derby and Kununurra
is meaningless to the remote sites the repair crews have to access. If the
faults were only within those places with the access to all they needed the
staff would be overjoyed.

PhilD

I also remember seeing pics years ago from an ex telecom guy I knew,
where a small telephone exchange and tower had been destroyed on an
island up north in a cyclone and the only access was through a sand
track through a rainforest type environment, and uphill. To get the
new exchange and gear through (looked about the size of a small
shipping container) took nearly 3 weeks to go about 20 km. Men had to
work around the clock with chainsaws and other gear to clear a path
for the truck that carried it. Where it was located was not a
populated area, so there were no efforts by emergency services to do
this work.

I clearly remember pics of what was left of a Dunlite wind generator
that had had its blades bent fully back by the force of the wind
before coming down. There wasn't mains power in the area it seems.

Meanwhile to keep essential services on the air, they had some sort of
temporary portable setup there, manned, and had to keep bringing in
fuel for the generator and supplies by chopper every few days.

This all had to be done in the middle of a disaster when everything
was in short supply and it was a huge hassle to get anything in even
for emergency services. I don't think the accommodation would have
been very nice for the workers either.

Stuff like that takes a lot of dedication, exhaustion and time away
from your family to live in a shit hot, humid environment for some
time.
If any of the crew were local, they might not have had a home to go
back to.

As for Telecom, It probably killed many years worth of revenue from
those subscribers in the costs involved in repairing the damage

If they had to do a few bodgy jobs to get things back on air fast,
even with risk of it failing in a short time, then its better than
having nothing.
We have all done it in our various fields when we have had to.

 

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On Fri, 22 Apr 2011 21:51:36 +0930, "PhilD" <PhilD@NT.au> wrote:

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On Thu, 21 Apr 2011 23:13:34 +0930, "PhilD" <PhilD@NT.au> wrote:


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On Tue, 19 Apr 2011 19:43:08 +0930, "PhilD" <PhilD@NT.au> wrote:

You, on the other hand, go off the deep end as an ex-Telecom/Telstra
person. "Methinks he doth protest too much"

No, but I know and worked with many of the people doing that work and in
much of the same areas. I can assure you that I never saw any that didn't
put in a great effort to get people back on line ASAP, often with very
little in the way of thanks other than that they were paid to do it.

The best thing you could do is log off, change your moniker and reappear
commenting on a different subject that you may have at least some
credibility about, because you've shown none here. You're also wrong on
the
"methinks" bit because apparently you don't.

The only thing you've proved is that some people (your parents) should
never
have been allowed to breed.

You've only established one thing so far - when you're in an argument
you can't help but resort to personal attacks. Pretty piss-weak in my
view.

Give it up, you're the one who branded as incompetent all Telstra (and it's
fore runners) staff right at the start. You're so bloody hopeless you can't
even remember your own statements. The first rule a bullshit artist like you
should learn is ALWAYS REMEMBER YOUR CRAP.

Like I said, logoff and create a new identity, you've used this one up.

?? "branded as incompetent all Telstra (and it's fore runners) staff
right at the start." ALL??

If you actually read what I posted ("Only goes to show that Telstra
continue to employ people without a clue.") it says nothing of the
sort.

You Telstra apologists need to get a life.

 

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On Fri, 22 Apr 2011 21:51:36 +0930, "PhilD" <PhilD@NT.au> wrote:


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On Thu, 21 Apr 2011 23:13:34 +0930, "PhilD" <PhilD@NT.au> wrote:


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On Tue, 19 Apr 2011 19:43:08 +0930, "PhilD" <PhilD@NT.au> wrote:

You, on the other hand, go off the deep end as an ex-Telecom/Telstra
person. "Methinks he doth protest too much"

No, but I know and worked with many of the people doing that work and in
much of the same areas. I can assure you that I never saw any that
didn't
put in a great effort to get people back on line ASAP, often with very
little in the way of thanks other than that they were paid to do it.

The best thing you could do is log off, change your moniker and reappear
commenting on a different subject that you may have at least some
credibility about, because you've shown none here. You're also wrong on
the
"methinks" bit because apparently you don't.

The only thing you've proved is that some people (your parents) should
never
have been allowed to breed.

You've only established one thing so far - when you're in an argument
you can't help but resort to personal attacks. Pretty piss-weak in my
view.

Give it up, you're the one who branded as incompetent all Telstra (and
it's
fore runners) staff right at the start. You're so bloody hopeless you
can't
even remember your own statements. The first rule a bullshit artist like
you
should learn is ALWAYS REMEMBER YOUR CRAP.

Like I said, logoff and create a new identity, you've used this one up.

?? "branded as incompetent all Telstra (and it's fore runners) staff
right at the start." ALL??

If you actually read what I posted ("Only goes to show that Telstra
continue to employ people without a clue.") it says nothing of the
sort.

You Telstra apologists need to get a life.
Let's see now: Quotes from you.

"Telecom and predecessors were the biggest sheltered monopoly this
country is ever likely to see".
"Only goes to show that Telstra continue to employ people without a
clue".
"What's the betting in today's understaffed outfit (supplemented by
contractors)
some shiny-bum said "that's back on the air, now let's focus on other
things" rather than addressing the vulnerability of their temp fix".
"inexperience (or worse, a couldn't care less attitude). And if it was
anticipated, the inference is less friendly".
Anyone with at least half a brain (lets you out) would take that as
referring to ALL Telstra and Staff, right back to the PMG. It's almost
amusing that you seem to think you have the right to libel Telstra and it's
Staff while operating in anonymity but start to get upset when I called you
various things. As to me reacting like I have, by your comments you have
effectively libelled me as well, so yes, I do take it personally.

Here's a thought, if you're capable of it. Have the courage to not only
identify yourself, but make those comments publically. I'm sure that the
Staff who have to do those repairs would love to meet you.

All for the sake of a NON story. You really are an idiot.

PhilD