Cockies in the cable

[Dennis]

"B J Foster" <bjfoster@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote in message
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On 14/04/2011 11:29 PM, Dennis wrote:
Actually, Telstra/PMG/AOTC/Telecom Aust used to have its own research
labs
...
Telstra (well Telecom...) is also responsible for the training of a hell
of
a lot of technical guys over the years as well.


Which part of the curriculum covered the Cocky Cable snatching phenomenon?

Not sure, but I reckon this now ex manning training centre lecturer would
have taken it;

http://www.aviculturalsocietynsw.org/bob_philpot.html

 

[Ross Herbert]

On Sun, 17 Apr 2011 12:23:03 +0800, "Dennis" <Dennis@blibber.com> wrote:

:
:"B J Foster" <bjfoster@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote in message
:news:io7ld4$bgc$2@bjf.motzarella.org...
:> On 14/04/2011 11:29 PM, Dennis wrote:
:>>> Actually, Telstra/PMG/AOTC/Telecom Aust used to have its own research
:>>> labs
:> ...
:>> Telstra (well Telecom...) is also responsible for the training of a hell
:>> of
:>> a lot of technical guys over the years as well.
:>>
:>
:> Which part of the curriculum covered the Cocky Cable snatching phenomenon?
:
:
:
:Not sure, but I reckon this now ex manning training centre lecturer would
:have taken it;
:
:http://www.aviculturalsocietynsw.org/bob_philpot.html
:

Bob Philpot was '56 TIT intake.

 

[Dennis]

"Ross Herbert" <rherber1@bigpond.net.au> wrote in message
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On Sun, 17 Apr 2011 12:23:03 +0800, "Dennis" <Dennis@blibber.com> wrote:

:
:"B J Foster" <bjfoster@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote in message
:news:io7ld4$bgc$2@bjf.motzarella.org...
:> On 14/04/2011 11:29 PM, Dennis wrote:
:>>> Actually, Telstra/PMG/AOTC/Telecom Aust used to have its own research
:>>> labs
:> ...
:>> Telstra (well Telecom...) is also responsible for the training of a
hell
:>> of
:>> a lot of technical guys over the years as well.
:
:
:> Which part of the curriculum covered the Cocky Cable snatching
phenomenon?
:
:
:
:Not sure, but I reckon this now ex manning training centre lecturer would
:have taken it;
:
:http://www.aviculturalsocietynsw.org/bob_philpot.html
:

Bob Philpot was '56 TIT intake.

Bob was one of the lecturers for some of us '86 starters.

 

[who where]

On Sun, 17 Apr 2011 13:05:55 +0930, "PhilD" <PhilD@NT.au> wrote:

"who where" <noone@home.net> wrote in message
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On Fri, 15 Apr 2011 23:57:19 +0930, "PhilD" <PhilD@NT.au> wrote:


"who where" <noone@home.net> wrote in message
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On Thu, 14 Apr 2011 21:59:53 +0930, "PhilD" <PhilD@NT.au> wrote:



But back on topic, why the cocky attack was not anticipated screams
inexperience (or worse, a couldn't care less attitude). And if it was
anticipated, the inference is less friendly.

I re-read the original stories and for someone claiming to have worked up in
that area you display an ignorance of what is required to do a permanent
repair, let alone in remote locations. How do you expect them to get heavy
cable ploughing & trenching equipment in to an area still subject to
flooding until the end of the Wet Season? The choice will come down to doing
an immediate temporary patch up or waiting weeks to get to do something more
permanent, but I doubt that Customers off the air will tolerate that. If
this was a major trunk connection it has to be attended to very urgently,
even in a temporary manner. Of course repairs are going to be temporary and
I'm sure that there are plenty of similar urgent repairs that have happened
in QLD/NSW/Vic with this seasons floods everywhere. Not all replacements can
happen immediately when for example you have bridges destroyed that were
themselves being used as crossing points for some services. There are things
like manpower and equipment limitations to get all jobs done to your
satisfaction immediately. For that blame Politicians, not the people on the
front line who are mostly the people on the receiving end of the bitching
from whingers like you who think that only they are the priority. You could
of course go to an alternative supplier and ask them to provide services in
those areas, but don't hold your breath as they will only go where they can
make a good profit, not because of social responsibility to cover the whole
of Australia.

From all the staff I worked with who were involved in restoration work in
remote areas I only ever saw dedication to getting Customers back on line as
quickly as possible while having to put up with very trying work conditions,
long hours and long distance travel, and of course the odd whinger like you.
They deserve better support from above and definitely better from the likes
of you.

thanks Phil for your wonderfully objective assessment of Telstra's
efforts. I expected no less from you.

And yes, I *have* been personally "sleeves rolled up and tools in
hand" doing 14-16 hour days, ten days straight, in immediate
post-cyclone service restoration.

But again, in case you missed it, this isn't about me (or you) - it's
about the fact that a cocky attack seems to have been unexpected.

 

[PhilD]

"who where" <noone@home.net> wrote in message
news:69eqq6lghnikpen1vjplb46qnjvias5koo@4ax.com...

On Sun, 17 Apr 2011 13:05:55 +0930, "PhilD" <PhilD@NT.au> wrote:


But again, in case you missed it, this isn't about me (or you) - it's
about the fact that a cocky attack seems to have been unexpected.

Give up why don't you. The story read as an interest story on what happens
when animals attack. It's a "shit happens" event not worthy of any more than
passing interest, and a new patch cable. Except that it happened to Telstra
is not relevant as it happens all over the Country, and elsewhere, and has
been happening for as long as man has entered their domain. Birds, Wombats,
Ants, Termites, tree roots and numerous others all try their best to enjoy
themselves on what we do. It happens to to Telco's, electricity suppliers,
water/sewerage suppliers etc all the time, but do you denigrate all of them
each time something fails?

Build a bridge and get over it, shit happens and will continue to do so.
Nature will continue to show up Man's weaknesses where ever it can and the
best we can do is marvel at their ability and determination and try harder
to defeat them. Short of killing all wildlife you're not going to eliminate
it all together. You can try to minimise the risk, but the story is about
getting communications links back and working in a temporary fashion ASAP in
remote locations. Until conditions improve where ever this happens you can
never get a permanent repair done.

To try and use this event as a means to express your personal grievances
with Telstra more means that you need to get a life. To denigrate Telstra
staff on this one event does a disservice to all and just shows you to be
just a petty whinging shit. You may get some attention in the short term
with your whinging, but the stories of the bird exploits will far outlast
you and they at least will be smiled at, you will easily be forgotten.

PhilD

 

[Rod Speed]

who where wrote:

On Sun, 17 Apr 2011 13:05:55 +0930, "PhilD" <PhilD@NT.au> wrote:


"who where" <noone@home.net> wrote in message
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On Fri, 15 Apr 2011 23:57:19 +0930, "PhilD" <PhilD@NT.au> wrote:


"who where" <noone@home.net> wrote in message
news:ikkfq61s3i2lc18qjkd8lsd4t7adick677@4ax.com...
On Thu, 14 Apr 2011 21:59:53 +0930, "PhilD" <PhilD@NT.au> wrote:



But back on topic, why the cocky attack was not anticipated screams
inexperience (or worse, a couldn't care less attitude). And if it
was anticipated, the inference is less friendly.

I re-read the original stories and for someone claiming to have
worked up in that area you display an ignorance of what is required
to do a permanent repair, let alone in remote locations. How do you
expect them to get heavy cable ploughing & trenching equipment in to
an area still subject to flooding until the end of the Wet Season?
The choice will come down to doing an immediate temporary patch up
or waiting weeks to get to do something more permanent, but I doubt
that Customers off the air will tolerate that. If this was a major
trunk connection it has to be attended to very urgently, even in a
temporary manner. Of course repairs are going to be temporary and
I'm sure that there are plenty of similar urgent repairs that have
happened in QLD/NSW/Vic with this seasons floods everywhere. Not all
replacements can happen immediately when for example you have
bridges destroyed that were themselves being used as crossing points
for some services. There are things like manpower and equipment
limitations to get all jobs done to your satisfaction immediately.
For that blame Politicians, not the people on the front line who are
mostly the people on the receiving end of the bitching from whingers
like you who think that only they are the priority. You could of
course go to an alternative supplier and ask them to provide
services in those areas, but don't hold your breath as they will
only go where they can make a good profit, not because of social
responsibility to cover the whole of Australia.

From all the staff I worked with who were involved in restoration
work in remote areas I only ever saw dedication to getting Customers
back on line as quickly as possible while having to put up with very
trying work conditions, long hours and long distance travel, and of
course the odd whinger like you. They deserve better support from
above and definitely better from the likes of you.

thanks Phil for your wonderfully objective assessment of Telstra's
efforts. I expected no less from you.

And yes, I *have* been personally "sleeves rolled up and tools in
hand" doing 14-16 hour days, ten days straight, in immediate
post-cyclone service restoration.

But again, in case you missed it, this isn't about me (or you) - it's
about the fact that a cocky attack seems to have been unexpected.

Nope, its actually about there not being any viable alternative available at the time.

 

[Dennis]

Friggin white cockies landed on my new TV antenna this morning.

4 per side on the largest element, one bastard on the end was swinging
upside down just to take the piss.

They pulled off all the little black plastic end plugs and flew off leaving
one of the elements bent. Bastards.

 

[Rod Speed]

Dennis wrote:

Friggin white cockies landed on my new TV antenna this morning.

4 per side on the largest element, one bastard on the end was swinging
upside down just to take the piss.

They pulled off all the little black plastic end plugs and flew off
leaving one of the elements bent. Bastards.

Thats what shotguns are for.

 

[PhilD]

"Dennis" <Dennis@blibber.com> wrote in message
news:Tt2dnSn7IKBg0DPQnZ2dnUVZ_uidnZ2d@westnet.com.au...

Friggin white cockies landed on my new TV antenna this morning.

4 per side on the largest element, one bastard on the end was swinging
upside down just to take the piss.

They pulled off all the little black plastic end plugs and flew off
leaving one of the elements bent. Bastards.

Then do like "who where" and bitch about it and denigrate the Company &

Staff of who made it because it should have been anticipated

I was watching one a while back in our yard that as it walked down a branch
it was snapping off twigs that were in it's way to get further along. Others
take a peck at fruit, decide it wasn't ripe, drop it then go to the next one
and eventually strip the tree. They can be fun to watch and appreciate, for
some people.

PhilD

 

[Dennis]

"PhilD" <PhilD@NT.au> wrote in message
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"Dennis" <Dennis@blibber.com> wrote in message
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Friggin white cockies landed on my new TV antenna this morning.

4 per side on the largest element, one bastard on the end was swinging
upside down just to take the piss.

They pulled off all the little black plastic end plugs and flew off
leaving one of the elements bent. Bastards.

Then do like "who where" and bitch about it and denigrate the Company &
Staff of who made it because it should have been anticipated

I was watching one a while back in our yard that as it walked down a
branch it was snapping off twigs that were in it's way to get further
along. Others take a peck at fruit, decide it wasn't ripe, drop it then go
to the next one and eventually strip the tree. They can be fun to watch
and appreciate, for some people.

PhilD

We used to live in a house with a bottle brush out the front. A mob would
land in the tree and just nip off all the little branches and drop them on
the ground.

One evening a couple of hundred roosted in a really big gum tree near our
place for the evening. After dark I went out and waved my green laser
pointer over the tree - one squawked and they all took off in a cloud
screaming their heads off - it was a bit of an "oops" moment.

 

[atec77]

On 20/04/2011 1:22 PM, Rod Speed wrote:

Dennis wrote:

Friggin white cockies landed on my new TV antenna this morning.

4 per side on the largest element, one bastard on the end was swinging
upside down just to take the piss.

They pulled off all the little black plastic end plugs and flew off
leaving one of the elements bent. Bastards.

Thats what shotguns are for.


Lead by demonstration woddles and apply it to your large flapping lips

--
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[Sylvia Else]

On 20/04/2011 1:07 PM, Dennis wrote:

Friggin white cockies landed on my new TV antenna this morning.

4 per side on the largest element, one bastard on the end was swinging
upside down just to take the piss.

They pulled off all the little black plastic end plugs and flew off leaving
one of the elements bent. Bastards.

Take it back for a refund. Any outside TV antenna that cannot withstand
cockie attack is clearly unfit for purpose.

Sylvia.

 

[who where]

On Wed, 20 Apr 2011 05:46:11 +1000, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

who where wrote:
On Sun, 17 Apr 2011 13:05:55 +0930, "PhilD" <PhilD@NT.au> wrote:


"who where" <noone@home.net> wrote in message
news:mffkq69d5sgqooc3ijkd0l5go9vvhdj47k@4ax.com...
On Fri, 15 Apr 2011 23:57:19 +0930, "PhilD" <PhilD@NT.au> wrote:


"who where" <noone@home.net> wrote in message
news:ikkfq61s3i2lc18qjkd8lsd4t7adick677@4ax.com...
On Thu, 14 Apr 2011 21:59:53 +0930, "PhilD" <PhilD@NT.au> wrote:



But back on topic, why the cocky attack was not anticipated screams
inexperience (or worse, a couldn't care less attitude). And if it
was anticipated, the inference is less friendly.

I re-read the original stories and for someone claiming to have
worked up in that area you display an ignorance of what is required
to do a permanent repair, let alone in remote locations. How do you
expect them to get heavy cable ploughing & trenching equipment in to
an area still subject to flooding until the end of the Wet Season?
The choice will come down to doing an immediate temporary patch up
or waiting weeks to get to do something more permanent, but I doubt
that Customers off the air will tolerate that. If this was a major
trunk connection it has to be attended to very urgently, even in a
temporary manner. Of course repairs are going to be temporary and
I'm sure that there are plenty of similar urgent repairs that have
happened in QLD/NSW/Vic with this seasons floods everywhere. Not all
replacements can happen immediately when for example you have
bridges destroyed that were themselves being used as crossing points
for some services. There are things like manpower and equipment
limitations to get all jobs done to your satisfaction immediately.
For that blame Politicians, not the people on the front line who are
mostly the people on the receiving end of the bitching from whingers
like you who think that only they are the priority. You could of
course go to an alternative supplier and ask them to provide
services in those areas, but don't hold your breath as they will
only go where they can make a good profit, not because of social
responsibility to cover the whole of Australia.

From all the staff I worked with who were involved in restoration
work in remote areas I only ever saw dedication to getting Customers
back on line as quickly as possible while having to put up with very
trying work conditions, long hours and long distance travel, and of
course the odd whinger like you. They deserve better support from
above and definitely better from the likes of you.

thanks Phil for your wonderfully objective assessment of Telstra's
efforts. I expected no less from you.

And yes, I *have* been personally "sleeves rolled up and tools in
hand" doing 14-16 hour days, ten days straight, in immediate
post-cyclone service restoration.

But again, in case you missed it, this isn't about me (or you) - it's
about the fact that a cocky attack seems to have been unexpected.

Nope, its actually about there not being any viable alternative available at the time.

Cite?

 

[who where]

On Tue, 19 Apr 2011 19:43:08 +0930, "PhilD" <PhilD@NT.au> wrote:

"who where" <noone@home.net> wrote in message
news:69eqq6lghnikpen1vjplb46qnjvias5koo@4ax.com...
On Sun, 17 Apr 2011 13:05:55 +0930, "PhilD" <PhilD@NT.au> wrote:


But again, in case you missed it, this isn't about me (or you) - it's
about the fact that a cocky attack seems to have been unexpected.

Give up why don't you. The story read as an interest story on what happens
when animals attack. It's a "shit happens" event not worthy of any more than
passing interest, and a new patch cable. Except that it happened to Telstra
is not relevant as it happens all over the Country, and elsewhere, and has
been happening for as long as man has entered their domain. Birds, Wombats,
Ants, Termites, tree roots and numerous others all try their best to enjoy
themselves on what we do. It happens to to Telco's, electricity suppliers,
water/sewerage suppliers etc all the time, but do you denigrate all of them
each time something fails?

Build a bridge and get over it, shit happens and will continue to do so.
Nature will continue to show up Man's weaknesses where ever it can and the
best we can do is marvel at their ability and determination and try harder
to defeat them. Short of killing all wildlife you're not going to eliminate
it all together. You can try to minimise the risk, but the story is about
getting communications links back and working in a temporary fashion ASAP in
remote locations. Until conditions improve where ever this happens you can
never get a permanent repair done.

To try and use this event as a means to express your personal grievances
with Telstra more means that you need to get a life. To denigrate Telstra
staff on this one event does a disservice to all and just shows you to be
just a petty whinging shit. You may get some attention in the short term
with your whinging, but the stories of the bird exploits will far outlast
you and they at least will be smiled at, you will easily be forgotten.

My comments have nothing to do with personal grievances, just an
observation that the outcome could/should have been foreseen.

You, on the other hand, go off the deep end as an ex-Telecom/Telstra
person. "Methinks he doth protest too much"

 

[PhilD]

"who where" <noone@home.net> wrote in message
news:qp80r6det0b39l3ap9lo27rbtnhdmakhiu@4ax.com...

On Tue, 19 Apr 2011 19:43:08 +0930, "PhilD" <PhilD@NT.au> wrote:

You, on the other hand, go off the deep end as an ex-Telecom/Telstra
person. "Methinks he doth protest too much"

No, but I know and worked with many of the people doing that work and in
much of the same areas. I can assure you that I never saw any that didn't
put in a great effort to get people back on line ASAP, often with very
little in the way of thanks other than that they were paid to do it.

The best thing you could do is log off, change your moniker and reappear
commenting on a different subject that you may have at least some
credibility about, because you've shown none here. You're also wrong on the
"methinks" bit because apparently you don't.

The only thing you've proved is that some people (your parents) should never
have been allowed to breed.

PhilD

 

[Rod Speed]

who where wrote

Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
who where wrote
PhilD <PhilD@NT.au> wrote
who where <noone@home.net> wrote
PhilD <PhilD@NT.au> wrote
who where <noone@home.net> wrote
PhilD <PhilD@NT.au> wrote

But back on topic, why the cocky attack was not anticipated
screams inexperience (or worse, a couldn't care less attitude).
And if it was anticipated, the inference is less friendly.

I re-read the original stories and for someone claiming to have
worked up in that area you display an ignorance of what is required
to do a permanent repair, let alone in remote locations. How do you
expect them to get heavy cable ploughing & trenching equipment in
to an area still subject to flooding until the end of the Wet
Season? The choice will come down to doing an immediate temporary
patch up or waiting weeks to get to do something more permanent,
but I doubt that Customers off the air will tolerate that. If this
was a major trunk connection it has to be attended to very
urgently, even in a temporary manner. Of course repairs are going
to be temporary and I'm sure that there are plenty of similar
urgent repairs that have happened in QLD/NSW/Vic with this seasons
floods everywhere. Not all replacements can happen immediately
when for example you have bridges destroyed that were themselves
being used as crossing points for some services. There are things
like manpower and equipment limitations to get all jobs done to
your satisfaction immediately. For that blame Politicians, not the
people on the front line who are mostly the people on the
receiving end of the bitching from whingers like you who think
that only they are the priority. You could of course go to an
alternative supplier and ask them to provide services in those
areas, but don't hold your breath as they will only go where they
can make a good profit, not because of social responsibility to
cover the whole of Australia.

From all the staff I worked with who were involved in restoration
work in remote areas I only ever saw dedication to getting
Customers back on line as quickly as possible while having to put
up with very trying work conditions, long hours and long distance
travel, and of course the odd whinger like you. They deserve
better support from above and definitely better from the likes of you.

thanks Phil for your wonderfully objective assessment of Telstra's
efforts. I expected no less from you.

And yes, I *have* been personally "sleeves rolled up and tools in
hand" doing 14-16 hour days, ten days straight, in immediate
post-cyclone service restoration.

But again, in case you missed it, this isn't about me (or you) - it's
about the fact that a cocky attack seems to have been unexpected.

Nope, its actually about there not being any viable alternative available at the time.

Cite?

Dont need a cite for something as basic as that.

Have fun listing what viable alternatives were available at that time that werent used.

And YOU made that claim.

YOU get to do the citing anyway.

 

[atec77]

On 22/04/2011 3:15 AM, Rod Speed wrote:

who where wrote
Rod Speed<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
who where wrote
PhilD<PhilD@NT.au> wrote
who where<noone@home.net> wrote
PhilD<PhilD@NT.au> wrote
who where<noone@home.net> wrote
PhilD<PhilD@NT.au> wrote

But back on topic, why the cocky attack was not anticipated
screams inexperience (or worse, a couldn't care less attitude).
And if it was anticipated, the inference is less friendly.

I re-read the original stories and for someone claiming to have
worked up in that area you display an ignorance of what is required
to do a permanent repair, let alone in remote locations. How do you
expect them to get heavy cable ploughing& trenching equipment in
to an area still subject to flooding until the end of the Wet
Season? The choice will come down to doing an immediate temporary
patch up or waiting weeks to get to do something more permanent,
but I doubt that Customers off the air will tolerate that. If this
was a major trunk connection it has to be attended to very
urgently, even in a temporary manner. Of course repairs are going
to be temporary and I'm sure that there are plenty of similar
urgent repairs that have happened in QLD/NSW/Vic with this seasons
floods everywhere. Not all replacements can happen immediately
when for example you have bridges destroyed that were themselves
being used as crossing points for some services. There are things
like manpower and equipment limitations to get all jobs done to
your satisfaction immediately. For that blame Politicians, not the
people on the front line who are mostly the people on the
receiving end of the bitching from whingers like you who think
that only they are the priority. You could of course go to an
alternative supplier and ask them to provide services in those
areas, but don't hold your breath as they will only go where they
can make a good profit, not because of social responsibility to
cover the whole of Australia.

From all the staff I worked with who were involved in restoration
work in remote areas I only ever saw dedication to getting
Customers back on line as quickly as possible while having to put
up with very trying work conditions, long hours and long distance
travel, and of course the odd whinger like you. They deserve
better support from above and definitely better from the likes of you.

thanks Phil for your wonderfully objective assessment of Telstra's
efforts. I expected no less from you.

And yes, I *have* been personally "sleeves rolled up and tools in
hand" doing 14-16 hour days, ten days straight, in immediate
post-cyclone service restoration.

But again, in case you missed it, this isn't about me (or you) - it's
about the fact that a cocky attack seems to have been unexpected.

Nope, its actually about there not being any viable alternative available at the time.

Cite?

Dont need a cite for something as basic as that.
With a reputation as shitty as your there is a dire need to see a cite

and nothing but a fool opinion would claim otherwise

Have fun listing what viable alternatives were available at that time that werent used.

And YOU made that claim.
You failed to prove the facts wrong

YOU get to do the citing anyway.

Not how it works dickhead , you claim otherwise you prove

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[who where]

On Thu, 21 Apr 2011 23:13:34 +0930, "PhilD" <PhilD@NT.au> wrote:

"who where" <noone@home.net> wrote in message
news:qp80r6det0b39l3ap9lo27rbtnhdmakhiu@4ax.com...
On Tue, 19 Apr 2011 19:43:08 +0930, "PhilD" <PhilD@NT.au> wrote:

You, on the other hand, go off the deep end as an ex-Telecom/Telstra
person. "Methinks he doth protest too much"

No, but I know and worked with many of the people doing that work and in
much of the same areas. I can assure you that I never saw any that didn't
put in a great effort to get people back on line ASAP, often with very
little in the way of thanks other than that they were paid to do it.

The best thing you could do is log off, change your moniker and reappear
commenting on a different subject that you may have at least some
credibility about, because you've shown none here. You're also wrong on the
"methinks" bit because apparently you don't.

The only thing you've proved is that some people (your parents) should never
have been allowed to breed.

You've only established one thing so far - when you're in an argument
you can't help but resort to personal attacks. Pretty piss-weak in my
view.

 

[PhilD]

"who where" <noone@home.net> wrote in message
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On Thu, 21 Apr 2011 23:13:34 +0930, "PhilD" <PhilD@NT.au> wrote:


"who where" <noone@home.net> wrote in message
news:qp80r6det0b39l3ap9lo27rbtnhdmakhiu@4ax.com...
On Tue, 19 Apr 2011 19:43:08 +0930, "PhilD" <PhilD@NT.au> wrote:

You, on the other hand, go off the deep end as an ex-Telecom/Telstra
person. "Methinks he doth protest too much"

No, but I know and worked with many of the people doing that work and in
much of the same areas. I can assure you that I never saw any that didn't
put in a great effort to get people back on line ASAP, often with very
little in the way of thanks other than that they were paid to do it.

The best thing you could do is log off, change your moniker and reappear
commenting on a different subject that you may have at least some
credibility about, because you've shown none here. You're also wrong on
the
"methinks" bit because apparently you don't.

The only thing you've proved is that some people (your parents) should
never
have been allowed to breed.

You've only established one thing so far - when you're in an argument
you can't help but resort to personal attacks. Pretty piss-weak in my
view.

Give it up, you're the one who branded as incompetent all Telstra (and it's
fore runners) staff right at the start. You're so bloody hopeless you can't
even remember your own statements. The first rule a bullshit artist like you
should learn is ALWAYS REMEMBER YOUR CRAP.

Like I said, logoff and create a new identity, you've used this one up.

PhilD

 

[PhilD]

"atec77" <atec77@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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On 22/04/2011 3:15 AM, Rod Speed wrote:
who where wrote
Rod Speed<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
who where wrote
PhilD<PhilD@NT.au> wrote
who where<noone@home.net> wrote
PhilD<PhilD@NT.au> wrote
who where<noone@home.net> wrote
PhilD<PhilD@NT.au> wrote

But back on topic, why the cocky attack was not anticipated
screams inexperience (or worse, a couldn't care less attitude).
And if it was anticipated, the inference is less friendly.

I re-read the original stories and for someone claiming to have
worked up in that area you display an ignorance of what is required
to do a permanent repair, let alone in remote locations. How do you
expect them to get heavy cable ploughing& trenching equipment in
to an area still subject to flooding until the end of the Wet
Season? The choice will come down to doing an immediate temporary
patch up or waiting weeks to get to do something more permanent,
but I doubt that Customers off the air will tolerate that. If this
was a major trunk connection it has to be attended to very
urgently, even in a temporary manner. Of course repairs are going
to be temporary and I'm sure that there are plenty of similar
urgent repairs that have happened in QLD/NSW/Vic with this seasons
floods everywhere. Not all replacements can happen immediately
when for example you have bridges destroyed that were themselves
being used as crossing points for some services. There are things
like manpower and equipment limitations to get all jobs done to
your satisfaction immediately. For that blame Politicians, not the
people on the front line who are mostly the people on the
receiving end of the bitching from whingers like you who think
that only they are the priority. You could of course go to an
alternative supplier and ask them to provide services in those
areas, but don't hold your breath as they will only go where they
can make a good profit, not because of social responsibility to
cover the whole of Australia.

From all the staff I worked with who were involved in restoration
work in remote areas I only ever saw dedication to getting
Customers back on line as quickly as possible while having to put
up with very trying work conditions, long hours and long distance
travel, and of course the odd whinger like you. They deserve
better support from above and definitely better from the likes of
you.

thanks Phil for your wonderfully objective assessment of Telstra's
efforts. I expected no less from you.

And yes, I *have* been personally "sleeves rolled up and tools in
hand" doing 14-16 hour days, ten days straight, in immediate
post-cyclone service restoration.

But again, in case you missed it, this isn't about me (or you) - it's
about the fact that a cocky attack seems to have been unexpected.

Nope, its actually about there not being any viable alternative
available at the time.

Cite?

Dont need a cite for something as basic as that.
With a reputation as shitty as your there is a dire need to see a cite
and nothing but a fool opinion would claim otherwise

Have fun listing what viable alternatives were available at that time
that werent used.

And YOU made that claim.
You failed to prove the facts wrong

I would regard myself as an outsider in this personal issue and it's the
dickhead "who where" that needs dealing with in this case. I would agree
with the comment by Rod. The people who go out and do these faults don't
always start the trip to the fault knowing what has to be done. So often its
location could be identified but what they will find there could be far
worse than anticipated. Regardless of issues of staff/equipment shortages
you don't go to an unknown fault location with trenching/ploughing gear,
km's of new fibre and a large crew. It can be down to a single person who
has driven a very large distance in a van, or a light aircraft with limited
equipment, or a helicopter with even less gear, then a borrowed vehicle to
the site. At times even a hovercraft has been trialled or just a plain ally
dinghy. The cause of the fault could be as a result of flooding that have
taken out roads that stop a full repair job. To expect that every fault will
allow a full repair crew and heavy equipment to access the site immediately
is just ridiculous. You can't compare how a repair might be handled in a
Capital City to what happens in remote areas of the tropics in the middle of
the Wet Season. As the subject repair was done in a temporary manner it
should be accepted that it was just the appropriate thing to be done at the
time. That it was then subjected to the Cockie attack is just one of those
bad luck things. Unless anyone can prove that there was more to it, people
should just accept it as that and move on. The story reads more like one of
those animal interest stories that are used by the media to fill in when
there's no real news.

One of the earliest stories we used to hear was about repair crews going out
to an open cct open wire line to find that overnight thieves had stolen
miles of copper wire. You just can't attend every fault with every bit of
equipment to repair every conceivable fault. This is no less true these
days.

That the dickhead "who where" has fixated on the word's "not anticipated"
while failing to give equal relevance to the word "temporary" just shows a
lack of education as it apparently hasn't got that far in the dictionary
yet. That the dickhead had expectations that more should have been done and
claiming that it had worked in that region and infers that it knows the
conditions must be bullshit. Claims of having worked in Derby and Kununurra
is meaningless to the remote sites the repair crews have to access. If the
faults were only within those places with the access to all they needed the
staff would be overjoyed.

PhilD