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Carlos E.R.
Guest
On 2022-11-14 22:56, Commander Kinsey wrote:
To know if that battery is better than others, or to know if the clock
is going bad. And because I like to do it.
--
Cheers, Carlos.
On Mon, 14 Nov 2022 12:49:38 -0000, Carlos E.R.
robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
On 2022-11-14 02:54, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Fri, 11 Nov 2022 20:17:51 -0000, Joe Gwinn <joegwinn@comcast.net
wrote:
On Fri, 11 Nov 2022 09:08:56 -0800, John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> wrote:
On Fri, 11 Nov 2022 11:56:12 -0500, Joe Gwinn <joegwinn@comcast.net
wrote:
On Fri, 11 Nov 2022 07:59:43 -0800, John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> wrote:
On Fri, 11 Nov 2022 15:24:49 +0000, The Natural Philosopher
tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 11/11/2022 15:02, John Larkin wrote:
On Fri, 11 Nov 2022 12:42:26 +0100, \"Carlos E.R.\"
robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
On 2022-11-11 12:12, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 10 Nov 2022 21:58:57 -0000, Vir Campestris
vir.campestris@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 09/11/2022 12:08, Carlos E.R. wrote:
I don\'t have house heating. I heat a room at a time using a
butane
stove.
Carlos, I hope you have a CO detector? It doesn\'t take a lot
to go wrong
with a portable stove to produce poison gas.
I have one in my head, it\'s called getting a headache. I don\'t
waste
money on safety shit.
That\'s for CO2, fumes, and lack of O2, not abundance of CO.
The first symptom for CO is usually getting dead.
IME its a splitting headache and drowsiness.
One can be asleep and stay that way. CO detectors do save lives.
The detectors themselves aren\'t very reliable, in they they tend to
false-alarm before their rated lifetime. Mine seem to last about 5
years. I think the operation is based on irrevsible chemical
reactions
that can be poisoned by other things.
I think that you are correct. Modern CO and smoke detectors are
required to brick themselves when a specified time in service is
exceeded, to force replacement.
Joe Gwinn
The ones with a primary lithium battery and 10 year rated lifetimes
are great, but they don\'t seem to last for 10 years.
So far, I have not had this happen. I write the service date on the
bottom of the unit before installation, so I\'d know.
Wow, OCD or what?
Please don\'t tell me you\'re as bad as one of my relatives who writes the
date she replaced the battery in a clock.
I do.
Why? So you don\'t waste 20 cents on a new battery?
To know if that battery is better than others, or to know if the clock
is going bad. And because I like to do it.
--
Cheers, Carlos.
J
John Larkin
Guest
On Fri, 11 Nov 2022 12:46:07 -0500, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:
You are all wise so should control everything. Just kill anyone who
disagrees.
I\'m sure you design the best possible electronics too.
After you burn down their world, you won\'t have to eat any food grown
by republicans.
On 11/10/2022 11:46 PM, Ricky wrote:
I don\'t hate Republicans. But I don\'t understand their opposition to healthcare. That\'s just nuts!
Right, libs are wussy conservatives, and want regular-conservatives to
like them enough so they can whine to them about health care like
\"Whyyyy you guys, like we could be friends and you could rule me all you
like if you just compromised with me on this\"
LOL I don\'t blame the wing nuts for not listening frankly - what a bunch
of wussies.
Wow, talk about someone being a caricature of himself!
Yes, I\'m not interested in compromising with Republicans! I want to burn
their whole world to ashes, and erase their party from history.
You are all wise so should control everything. Just kill anyone who
disagrees.
I\'m sure you design the best possible electronics too.
After you burn down their world, you won\'t have to eat any food grown
by republicans.
L
legg
Guest
Flu Season? Fatality comparison to past events in the U.S.A.
Updated Nov01 to include a third year trend or \'season\'.
http://ve3ute.ca/query/flu_season_039d.jpg
Compacted for \'single year\' comparison.
.. . . . . also because old PAINT programs don\'t like
jpg images above 1.3M . . .
RL
Updated Nov01 to include a third year trend or \'season\'.
http://ve3ute.ca/query/flu_season_039d.jpg
Compacted for \'single year\' comparison.
.. . . . . also because old PAINT programs don\'t like
jpg images above 1.3M . . .
RL
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Anthony William Sloman
Guest
On Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 5:41:50 AM UTC+11, Fred Bloggs wrote:
Why would they bother? Australia isn\'t any kind of wealth care wreck.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obesity_in_the_United_States
That was easy. How come you haven\'t noticed?
Or you are unwilling to admit that it does.
Not all of them by any means. Many fewer kids smoke now than they did when we were young.
The tobacco companies used to be able to get away with that kind of marketing. The health care system was able to exert enough influence to get them forced to cut back. The fast food industry ought to be equally vulnerable - except of course that it makes even more money, and in the US money talks particularly loudly.
Emergency care is designed to stop you dying on the spot. It isn\'t designed to get people cured from the the disorder that brought them in.
>The poor have Medicaid for standard care. Doctors tend to lose enthusiasm for treating patients who remain obviously non-compliant to their advice, or sell their prescription meds on the black market. Other than that there is no reason whatsoever the poor can\'t get the exact same treatment as the privately insured.
So treating the poor is more difficult that treating the well off, and America doesn\'t bother. That \'s exactly why drug-resistant tuberculosis got established in the US at about the same time as it started showing up in third world countries. This did emphasise that the health system has to deal with the health of the population as whole, as opposed to the health of the well-off who are easier and more profitable to treat.
Only a rightwing airhead would be silly enough to claim that Naomi Klein was \"oblivious to reality\".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naomi_Klein
She thinks that people like you ignore realities that they don\'t like, which you resent, but she\'s right.
> New Orleans was a disaster area so of course you can expect the medical facilities to be improvised. How would she know if anyone\'s care was inadequate. In that particular situation housing patients in field tents with collapsible cots for beds is plenty adequate.
She was pointing out that she got to exploit super-adequate medical facilities that weren\'t being exploited to help out people who desperately needed them.
Quite a few of them were in hospital before the hurricane, and needed help when their hospitals got flooded or lost power or ran out of supplies. as is pointed out in the link I posted and you\'ve ignored.
--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
On Saturday, November 12, 2022 at 8:54:54 AM UTC-5, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Saturday, November 12, 2022 at 11:48:08 PM UTC+11, Fred Bloggs wrote:
On Saturday, November 12, 2022 at 2:40:35 AM UTC-5, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Saturday, November 12, 2022 at 6:05:57 PM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:
On Friday, November 11, 2022 at 10:01:08 PM UTC-8, John Robertson wrote:
On 2022/11/11 5:43 p.m., Ed Lee wrote:
On Friday, November 11, 2022 at 1:40:20 PM UTC-8, bitrex wrote:
On 11/11/2022 1:18 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Fri, 11 Nov 2022 12:46:07 -0500, bitrex <us...@example.net> wrote:
On 11/10/2022 11:46 PM, Ricky wrote:
snip
Please educate us which party wants universal free healthcare and free education (loan forgiveness). We will have >$1T deficit as far as we can see.
I don\'t think there is anything like free health care in any developed country - here in Canada it is part of our taxes like other government services such as roads, police, education...you know, the essentials for a sane society.
Nothing is more expensive than something advertised as \"free.\"
Doesn\'t apply to US health care which is roughly half again more expensive per head than that offered in other advanced industrial countries, while delivering a roughly five years poorer expectation of life.
Care to explain what kind of miracle health care system is responsible for life expectancy?
The health care system is only responsible for making sick people live a little longer, and counseling people in how not to get sick by avoiding unhealthy life styles.
Life expectancy is a measure of the health of the population. Unless the place is a complete wreck, lots of people untreated, it has little to do with health care delivery. Can you find where it says otherwise here:
https://www.aihw.gov.au/reports-data/health-conditions-disability-deaths/life-expectancy-deaths/overview
Why would they bother? Australia isn\'t any kind of wealth care wreck.
So unless you can show the U.S. is full of people with diagnosed but untreated illness, your evaluation of their health care system is baseless.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obesity_in_the_United_States
That was easy. How come you haven\'t noticed?
If the people don\'t last too well, the health system isn\'t working as well as it should.
Doesn\'t follow.
Or you are unwilling to admit that it does.
All you\'re talking about, but too dumb to realize, is the inhabitants of these other places adhere to less unhealthy lifestyles. Medicine cannot reverse a lifetime of self-destructive unhealthy behavior.
But they can discourage that self-destructive unhealthy behavior, ideally when the patients are young enough that they haven\'t got far into self-destruction.
People in that age group aren\'t receptive to that kind of message. They think they\'re immortal.
Not all of them by any means. Many fewer kids smoke now than they did when we were young.
The US health system s remarkably ineffective at that, as you can see from the number Americans who are overweight.
That probably has more to do with the convenience, ready availability, and low cost of fattening diets, in addition to a 24/7 marketing blitz pushing that kind of food. It has nothing to do with health care delivery.
The tobacco companies used to be able to get away with that kind of marketing. The health care system was able to exert enough influence to get them forced to cut back. The fast food industry ought to be equally vulnerable - except of course that it makes even more money, and in the US money talks particularly loudly.
With the exception of possibly Germany, U.S. has the best health care system in the world.
https://www.worldometers.info/demographics/life-expectancy/
puts Germany at 27th, and the US at 46th. Australia is at number eight. Do tell us the basis of your conclusion. At the moment it is a bald assertion of the kind that Gnaguy goes in for.
.
As John Robertson says, nobody advertises universal health care as free. It\'s paid for with a tax - in my case a 2% levy on my income - but you don\'t getdenied care because you can\'t afford it.
No one is denied health care in U.S.
Very few places will treat you if you haven\'t health insurance. and the quality of the care you get can be dubious.
The law entitles everyone to emergency care.
Emergency care is designed to stop you dying on the spot. It isn\'t designed to get people cured from the the disorder that brought them in.
>The poor have Medicaid for standard care. Doctors tend to lose enthusiasm for treating patients who remain obviously non-compliant to their advice, or sell their prescription meds on the black market. Other than that there is no reason whatsoever the poor can\'t get the exact same treatment as the privately insured.
So treating the poor is more difficult that treating the well off, and America doesn\'t bother. That \'s exactly why drug-resistant tuberculosis got established in the US at about the same time as it started showing up in third world countries. This did emphasise that the health system has to deal with the health of the population as whole, as opposed to the health of the well-off who are easier and more profitable to treat.
Naomi Klein has talked about having had a car accident in New Orleans when covering Hurricane Katrina and having got brilliant treatment in an empty private hospital,when the less well-off locals were getting inadequate health care in emergency accommodation.
https://www.urban.org/sites/default/files/publication/50896/411348-Hospitals-in-Hurricane-Katrina.PDF
That airhead doesn\'t know what she\'s talking about- she\'s totally oblivious to reality.
Only a rightwing airhead would be silly enough to claim that Naomi Klein was \"oblivious to reality\".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naomi_Klein
She thinks that people like you ignore realities that they don\'t like, which you resent, but she\'s right.
> New Orleans was a disaster area so of course you can expect the medical facilities to be improvised. How would she know if anyone\'s care was inadequate. In that particular situation housing patients in field tents with collapsible cots for beds is plenty adequate.
She was pointing out that she got to exploit super-adequate medical facilities that weren\'t being exploited to help out people who desperately needed them.
And what other than a trauma injury put people in the hospital after the hurricane? Maybe they cut their knee on the glass they broke during a looting or something.
Quite a few of them were in hospital before the hurricane, and needed help when their hospitals got flooded or lost power or ran out of supplies. as is pointed out in the link I posted and you\'ve ignored.
--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
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Cydrome Leader
Guest
John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:
Kinetic UPSes are still made for very short duration use, and are far
more reliable than stacks of lead acid batteries. Long term, they\'re
probably more efficient too as you can skip the double inversion step.
One use was for factory lighting. Losing a few cycles of power while
switching feeds or to a generator can shut off discharge lighting, causing
a 10 minute outage while the bulbs cool and restart. That\'s a no-go in a
large warehouse or industrial setting.
On Tue, 8 Nov 2022 21:46:17 +0000, Martin Brown
\'\'\'newspam\'\'\'@nonad.co.uk> wrote:
On 08/11/2022 21:17, RichD wrote:
The Big Plan for renewables is photovoltaics, charging
batteries, activated at night. The potential market for
batteries is enormous.
But why have I seen no one developing flywheels, for
the same residential mass market? Is there some
inherent deficiency?
Yes. Although it can be done. I worked at an observatory where there was
a massive flywheel generator combo to provide enough energy to stow all
the telescopes to safe zenith position in the event of a mains failure.
How long did that take? Minutes? Batteries would be more efficient and
don\'t have to be kept spinning.
Flywheels are good for massive peak powers, like megagauss magnets and
rail guns. But not good for storing much energy.
Kinetic UPSes are still made for very short duration use, and are far
more reliable than stacks of lead acid batteries. Long term, they\'re
probably more efficient too as you can skip the double inversion step.
One use was for factory lighting. Losing a few cycles of power while
switching feeds or to a generator can shut off discharge lighting, causing
a 10 minute outage while the bulbs cool and restart. That\'s a no-go in a
large warehouse or industrial setting.
F
Flyguy
Guest
> The US health system s remarkably ineffective at that, as you can see fro the number Americans who are oveweight.
HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!
This demonstrates the SHEAR IGNORANCE of Bozo better than ANYTHING ELSE!! The healthcare system in the US doesn\'t make people drink gallons of sugar water or eat barrels of ice cream or swallow tons of greasy Big Macs - people do it gleefully ALL ON THEIR OWN! It is no wonder why the MOST freezers in the grocery stores are devoted exclusively to ICE CREAM!!!!
BTW Bozo, your spelling SUCKS!
HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!
This demonstrates the SHEAR IGNORANCE of Bozo better than ANYTHING ELSE!! The healthcare system in the US doesn\'t make people drink gallons of sugar water or eat barrels of ice cream or swallow tons of greasy Big Macs - people do it gleefully ALL ON THEIR OWN! It is no wonder why the MOST freezers in the grocery stores are devoted exclusively to ICE CREAM!!!!
BTW Bozo, your spelling SUCKS!
J
Joe Gwinn
Guest
On Fri, 11 Nov 2022 09:08:56 -0800, John Larkin
<jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> wrote:
So far, I have not had this happen. I write the service date on the
bottom of the unit before installation, so I\'d know.
Actually, I don\'t know exactly how the time in service is expired is
determined - maybe it counts from manufacture. Although I do recall
needing to pull a plastic tab to start or something. Been too long,
don\'t recall.
Joe Gwinn
<jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> wrote:
On Fri, 11 Nov 2022 11:56:12 -0500, Joe Gwinn <joegwinn@comcast.net
wrote:
On Fri, 11 Nov 2022 07:59:43 -0800, John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> wrote:
On Fri, 11 Nov 2022 15:24:49 +0000, The Natural Philosopher
tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 11/11/2022 15:02, John Larkin wrote:
On Fri, 11 Nov 2022 12:42:26 +0100, \"Carlos E.R.\"
robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
On 2022-11-11 12:12, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 10 Nov 2022 21:58:57 -0000, Vir Campestris
vir.campestris@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 09/11/2022 12:08, Carlos E.R. wrote:
I don\'t have house heating. I heat a room at a time using a butane
stove.
Carlos, I hope you have a CO detector? It doesn\'t take a lot to go wrong
with a portable stove to produce poison gas.
I have one in my head, it\'s called getting a headache. I don\'t waste
money on safety shit.
That\'s for CO2, fumes, and lack of O2, not abundance of CO.
The first symptom for CO is usually getting dead.
IME its a splitting headache and drowsiness.
One can be asleep and stay that way. CO detectors do save lives.
The detectors themselves aren\'t very reliable, in they they tend to
false-alarm before their rated lifetime. Mine seem to last about 5
years. I think the operation is based on irrevsible chemical reactions
that can be poisoned by other things.
I think that you are correct. Modern CO and smoke detectors are
required to brick themselves when a specified time in service is
exceeded, to force replacement.
Joe Gwinn
The ones with a primary lithium battery and 10 year rated lifetimes
are great, but they don\'t seem to last for 10 years.
So far, I have not had this happen. I write the service date on the
bottom of the unit before installation, so I\'d know.
Actually, I don\'t know exactly how the time in service is expired is
determined - maybe it counts from manufacture. Although I do recall
needing to pull a plastic tab to start or something. Been too long,
don\'t recall.
Joe Gwinn
P
Peeler
Guest
On Tue, 15 Nov 2022 01:49:59 +0100, cretinous Carlos E.R., another brain
dead troll-feeding senile ASSHOLE, blathered
The same way you like to suck off the unwashed Scottish wanker, you
troll-cock sucking dumb spick? <BG>
dead troll-feeding senile ASSHOLE, blathered
To know if that battery is better than others, or to know if the clock
is going bad. And because I like to do it.
The same way you like to suck off the unwashed Scottish wanker, you
troll-cock sucking dumb spick? <BG>
A
Anthony William Sloman
Guest
On Tuesday, November 15, 2022 at 5:56:57 PM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:
Gantguy posts about my \"shear\" ignorance, then claims that *my* spelling suck.
The American health system clearly needs to work out how to discourage people from eating too much. They have managed to discourage most of them from smoking, which is the same kind of problem.
--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
The US health system s remarkably ineffective at that, as you can see fro the number Americans who are overweight.
HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!
This demonstrates the SHEAR IGNORANCE of Bill better than ANYTHING ELSE!! The healthcare system in the US doesn\'t make people drink gallons of sugar water or eat barrels of ice cream or swallow tons of greasy Big Macs - people do it gleefully ALL ON THEIR OWN! It is no wonder why the MOST freezers in the grocery stores are devoted exclusively to ICE CREAM!!!!
BTW Bill, your spelling SUCKS!
Gantguy posts about my \"shear\" ignorance, then claims that *my* spelling suck.
The American health system clearly needs to work out how to discourage people from eating too much. They have managed to discourage most of them from smoking, which is the same kind of problem.
--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
F
Fred Bloggs
Guest
On Friday, November 11, 2022 at 1:19:10 PM UTC-5, John Larkin wrote:
Farmers love Democrats because it\'s mainly Democrats getting them all their subsidies and trade protections. Republicans are more in to the corporate farming crowd.
On Fri, 11 Nov 2022 12:46:07 -0500, bitrex <us...@example.net> wrote:
On 11/10/2022 11:46 PM, Ricky wrote:
I don\'t hate Republicans. But I don\'t understand their opposition to healthcare. That\'s just nuts!
Right, libs are wussy conservatives, and want regular-conservatives to
like them enough so they can whine to them about health care like
\"Whyyyy you guys, like we could be friends and you could rule me all you
like if you just compromised with me on this\"
LOL I don\'t blame the wing nuts for not listening frankly - what a bunch
of wussies.
Wow, talk about someone being a caricature of himself!
Yes, I\'m not interested in compromising with Republicans! I want to burn
their whole world to ashes, and erase their party from history.
You are all wise so should control everything. Just kill anyone who
disagrees.
I\'m sure you design the best possible electronics too.
After you burn down their world, you won\'t have to eat any food grown
by republicans.
Farmers love Democrats because it\'s mainly Democrats getting them all their subsidies and trade protections. Republicans are more in to the corporate farming crowd.
B
bitrex
Guest
On 11/11/2022 1:18 PM, John Larkin wrote:
Who said anything about killing anyone? By \"burn their whole world to
ashes\" I mean \"It will be the law that I will be required to help pay
for the wing nut boomer\'s universal healthcare expenses in their old
age, and routine high quality and compassionate mental health treatment
for all Trump-cultists.\"
Fate worse than death, I suppose..
On Fri, 11 Nov 2022 12:46:07 -0500, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:
On 11/10/2022 11:46 PM, Ricky wrote:
I don\'t hate Republicans. But I don\'t understand their opposition to healthcare. That\'s just nuts!
Right, libs are wussy conservatives, and want regular-conservatives to
like them enough so they can whine to them about health care like
\"Whyyyy you guys, like we could be friends and you could rule me all you
like if you just compromised with me on this\"
LOL I don\'t blame the wing nuts for not listening frankly - what a bunch
of wussies.
Wow, talk about someone being a caricature of himself!
Yes, I\'m not interested in compromising with Republicans! I want to burn
their whole world to ashes, and erase their party from history.
You are all wise so should control everything. Just kill anyone who
disagrees.
I\'m sure you design the best possible electronics too.
After you burn down their world, you won\'t have to eat any food grown
by republicans.
Who said anything about killing anyone? By \"burn their whole world to
ashes\" I mean \"It will be the law that I will be required to help pay
for the wing nut boomer\'s universal healthcare expenses in their old
age, and routine high quality and compassionate mental health treatment
for all Trump-cultists.\"
Fate worse than death, I suppose..
J
John Larkin
Guest
On Fri, 11 Nov 2022 16:40:12 -0500, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:
Of course that\'s what you meant by \"burn their whole world to
ashes\".
My mistake.
On 11/11/2022 1:18 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Fri, 11 Nov 2022 12:46:07 -0500, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:
On 11/10/2022 11:46 PM, Ricky wrote:
I don\'t hate Republicans. But I don\'t understand their opposition to healthcare. That\'s just nuts!
Right, libs are wussy conservatives, and want regular-conservatives to
like them enough so they can whine to them about health care like
\"Whyyyy you guys, like we could be friends and you could rule me all you
like if you just compromised with me on this\"
LOL I don\'t blame the wing nuts for not listening frankly - what a bunch
of wussies.
Wow, talk about someone being a caricature of himself!
Yes, I\'m not interested in compromising with Republicans! I want to burn
their whole world to ashes, and erase their party from history.
You are all wise so should control everything. Just kill anyone who
disagrees.
I\'m sure you design the best possible electronics too.
After you burn down their world, you won\'t have to eat any food grown
by republicans.
Who said anything about killing anyone? By \"burn their whole world to
ashes\" I mean \"It will be the law that I will be required to help pay
for the wing nut boomer\'s universal healthcare expenses in their old
age, and routine high quality and compassionate mental health treatment
for all Trump-cultists.\"
Of course that\'s what you meant by \"burn their whole world to
ashes\".
My mistake.
M
Max Demian
Guest
On 14/11/2022 21:56, Commander Kinsey wrote:
I\'d need a charger for them*. And I only use them in low consumption
devices like clocks. I\'ve got rechargeable AAs and AAAs and a charger
for them, but I don\'t use them in things like remote controls as the
batteries last a year or more.
* I used to have a charger that charged a single NiCad button cell. It
consisted of a resistor and a diode.
The cell fitted a Russian MW/LW personal radio that was 1\"x3/4\"x1/4\"**.
It used a thin-film integrated circuit with discreet transistors &c.
** Actually the tuning knob stuck out as it contained the tuning capacitor.
--
Max Demian
On Mon, 14 Nov 2022 12:33:38 -0000, Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com
wrote:
On 14/11/2022 01:54, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Fri, 11 Nov 2022 20:17:51 -0000, Joe Gwinn <joegwinn@comcast.net
wrote:
On Fri, 11 Nov 2022 09:08:56 -0800, John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> wrote:
On Fri, 11 Nov 2022 11:56:12 -0500, Joe Gwinn <joegwinn@comcast.net
wrote:
On Fri, 11 Nov 2022 07:59:43 -0800, John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> wrote:
One can be asleep and stay that way. CO detectors do save lives.
The detectors themselves aren\'t very reliable, in they they tend to
false-alarm before their rated lifetime. Mine seem to last about 5
years. I think the operation is based on irrevsible chemical
reactions
that can be poisoned by other things.
I think that you are correct. Modern CO and smoke detectors are
required to brick themselves when a specified time in service is
exceeded, to force replacement.
The ones with a primary lithium battery and 10 year rated lifetimes
are great, but they don\'t seem to last for 10 years.
So far, I have not had this happen. I write the service date on the
bottom of the unit before installation, so I\'d know.
Wow, OCD or what?
Please don\'t tell me you\'re as bad as one of my relatives who writes the
date she replaced the battery in a clock.
Useful if you want to know whether LR44 cells that cost £2 for 10 are
good value compared to ones that are £2 each.
Try NiMH. They last 10 years no matter how quick it uses them.
I\'d need a charger for them*. And I only use them in low consumption
devices like clocks. I\'ve got rechargeable AAs and AAAs and a charger
for them, but I don\'t use them in things like remote controls as the
batteries last a year or more.
* I used to have a charger that charged a single NiCad button cell. It
consisted of a resistor and a diode.
The cell fitted a Russian MW/LW personal radio that was 1\"x3/4\"x1/4\"**.
It used a thin-film integrated circuit with discreet transistors &c.
** Actually the tuning knob stuck out as it contained the tuning capacitor.
--
Max Demian
P
Peeler
Guest
On Tue, 15 Nov 2022 13:49:00 +0000, Max Dumb, the REAL dumb, notorious,
troll-feeding senile idiot, blathered again:
> I\'d need a charger for them*.
You\'d need to get your tongue out of the unwashed Scottish troll\'s arse
first, troll-cock sucking idiot!
troll-feeding senile idiot, blathered again:
> I\'d need a charger for them*.
You\'d need to get your tongue out of the unwashed Scottish troll\'s arse
first, troll-cock sucking idiot!
P
Peeler
Guest
On Tue, 15 Nov 2022 07:05:12 -0800, John Larkin, another mentally deficient,
troll-feeding, senile ASSHOLE, blathered:
> Girls make the experience even better.
He finds men more attractive than women and therefore women with short hair
better looking (his own statements), you senile sucker of troll cock!
troll-feeding, senile ASSHOLE, blathered:
> Girls make the experience even better.
He finds men more attractive than women and therefore women with short hair
better looking (his own statements), you senile sucker of troll cock!
B
bitrex
Guest
On 11/11/2022 5:37 PM, John Larkin wrote:
There were the Covid lies and bizarre anti-vaccine propaganda that
killed thousands of conservatives, and then there was the
elections-are-rigged propaganda (doesn\'t help voter turnout much), and
then there were the many recent threats to end Social Security, which
can\'t have been too appealing to the millions of conservatives on Social
Security (at least the semi-conscious ones.)
You\'re right. the GOP probably doesn\'t need my help.
On Fri, 11 Nov 2022 16:40:12 -0500, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:
On 11/11/2022 1:18 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Fri, 11 Nov 2022 12:46:07 -0500, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:
On 11/10/2022 11:46 PM, Ricky wrote:
I don\'t hate Republicans. But I don\'t understand their opposition to healthcare. That\'s just nuts!
Right, libs are wussy conservatives, and want regular-conservatives to
like them enough so they can whine to them about health care like
\"Whyyyy you guys, like we could be friends and you could rule me all you
like if you just compromised with me on this\"
LOL I don\'t blame the wing nuts for not listening frankly - what a bunch
of wussies.
Wow, talk about someone being a caricature of himself!
Yes, I\'m not interested in compromising with Republicans! I want to burn
their whole world to ashes, and erase their party from history.
You are all wise so should control everything. Just kill anyone who
disagrees.
I\'m sure you design the best possible electronics too.
After you burn down their world, you won\'t have to eat any food grown
by republicans.
Who said anything about killing anyone? By \"burn their whole world to
ashes\" I mean \"It will be the law that I will be required to help pay
for the wing nut boomer\'s universal healthcare expenses in their old
age, and routine high quality and compassionate mental health treatment
for all Trump-cultists.\"
Of course that\'s what you meant by \"burn their whole world to
ashes\".
My mistake.
There were the Covid lies and bizarre anti-vaccine propaganda that
killed thousands of conservatives, and then there was the
elections-are-rigged propaganda (doesn\'t help voter turnout much), and
then there were the many recent threats to end Social Security, which
can\'t have been too appealing to the millions of conservatives on Social
Security (at least the semi-conscious ones.)
You\'re right. the GOP probably doesn\'t need my help.
E
Ed Lee
Guest
On Friday, November 11, 2022 at 1:40:20 PM UTC-8, bitrex wrote:
Please educate us which party wants universal free healthcare and free education (loan forgiveness). We will have >$1T deficit as far as we can see.
On 11/11/2022 1:18 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Fri, 11 Nov 2022 12:46:07 -0500, bitrex <us...@example.net> wrote:
On 11/10/2022 11:46 PM, Ricky wrote:
I don\'t hate Republicans. But I don\'t understand their opposition to healthcare. That\'s just nuts!
Right, libs are wussy conservatives, and want regular-conservatives to
like them enough so they can whine to them about health care like
\"Whyyyy you guys, like we could be friends and you could rule me all you
like if you just compromised with me on this\"
LOL I don\'t blame the wing nuts for not listening frankly - what a bunch
of wussies.
Wow, talk about someone being a caricature of himself!
Yes, I\'m not interested in compromising with Republicans! I want to burn
their whole world to ashes, and erase their party from history.
You are all wise so should control everything. Just kill anyone who
disagrees.
I\'m sure you design the best possible electronics too.
After you burn down their world, you won\'t have to eat any food grown
by republicans.
Who said anything about killing anyone? By \"burn their whole world to
ashes\" I mean \"It will be the law that I will be required to help pay
for the wing nut boomer\'s universal healthcare expenses in their old
age, and routine high quality and compassionate mental health treatment
for all Trump-cultists.\"
Fate worse than death, I suppose..
Please educate us which party wants universal free healthcare and free education (loan forgiveness). We will have >$1T deficit as far as we can see.
J
John Larkin
Guest
On Fri, 11 Nov 2022 19:45:15 -0500, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:
Gosh, you are a nasty person.
On 11/11/2022 5:37 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Fri, 11 Nov 2022 16:40:12 -0500, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:
On 11/11/2022 1:18 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Fri, 11 Nov 2022 12:46:07 -0500, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:
On 11/10/2022 11:46 PM, Ricky wrote:
I don\'t hate Republicans. But I don\'t understand their opposition to healthcare. That\'s just nuts!
Right, libs are wussy conservatives, and want regular-conservatives to
like them enough so they can whine to them about health care like
\"Whyyyy you guys, like we could be friends and you could rule me all you
like if you just compromised with me on this\"
LOL I don\'t blame the wing nuts for not listening frankly - what a bunch
of wussies.
Wow, talk about someone being a caricature of himself!
Yes, I\'m not interested in compromising with Republicans! I want to burn
their whole world to ashes, and erase their party from history.
You are all wise so should control everything. Just kill anyone who
disagrees.
I\'m sure you design the best possible electronics too.
After you burn down their world, you won\'t have to eat any food grown
by republicans.
Who said anything about killing anyone? By \"burn their whole world to
ashes\" I mean \"It will be the law that I will be required to help pay
for the wing nut boomer\'s universal healthcare expenses in their old
age, and routine high quality and compassionate mental health treatment
for all Trump-cultists.\"
Of course that\'s what you meant by \"burn their whole world to
ashes\".
My mistake.
There were the Covid lies and bizarre anti-vaccine propaganda that
killed thousands of conservatives, and then there was the
elections-are-rigged propaganda (doesn\'t help voter turnout much), and
then there were the many recent threats to end Social Security, which
can\'t have been too appealing to the millions of conservatives on Social
Security (at least the semi-conscious ones.)
You\'re right. the GOP probably doesn\'t need my help.
Gosh, you are a nasty person.
F
Fred Bloggs
Guest
On Saturday, November 12, 2022 at 8:56:16 PM UTC-5, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
That has nothing to do with health care.
That\'s because of a lot of other changes such as: price of cigarettes is high especially for juveniles, only people 21 years of age or older can legally buy cigarettes, smoking is now forbidden in a lot places where it was once allowed, social stigma, loss of employment opportunity- some employers won\'t consider smokers for employment, other have gone so far as terminating employees who fail to quit within a specified timeframe, there are a multitude of reasons making smoking a big hassle. None of them have to do with a health based conviction.
None of that has to do with health care delivery.
People are only very rarely \"cured\" of a disorder that got to the point of requiring emergency care.
That is such a pathetically old and obvious observation that it\'s not worth comment. Drug resistant TB was brought into this country by immigrants, they\'re still bringing it with them, along with polio recently.
She\'s completely out of touch with reality. Her bio even admits she was raised in a pro-Stalinist communistic family, and it influenced her greatly. This isn\'t the 1960s anymore when people though communism was so cool. Klein is washed up.
If they opened the facilities for everyone they would soon get to the point of not being able to help anyone. The woman is an idiot not worth listening to.
Yeah- that Urban Institute paper is defective in so many ways. It reads like it was written by a demented child. Most American cities are full of corruption and mismanagement, New Orleans is especially bad- so what\'s new?
The mega hospitals need to move all their emergency power generation to the roof- and make storage space for some of these collapsible gizmoids to move patients and replenish supplies- now there\'s a small industry of disaster relief drones for the same ends.
https://www.zodiac-nautic.com/us/
On Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 5:41:50 AM UTC+11, Fred Bloggs wrote:
On Saturday, November 12, 2022 at 8:54:54 AM UTC-5, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Saturday, November 12, 2022 at 11:48:08 PM UTC+11, Fred Bloggs wrote:
On Saturday, November 12, 2022 at 2:40:35 AM UTC-5, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Saturday, November 12, 2022 at 6:05:57 PM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:
On Friday, November 11, 2022 at 10:01:08 PM UTC-8, John Robertson wrote:
On 2022/11/11 5:43 p.m., Ed Lee wrote:
On Friday, November 11, 2022 at 1:40:20 PM UTC-8, bitrex wrote:
On 11/11/2022 1:18 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Fri, 11 Nov 2022 12:46:07 -0500, bitrex <us...@example..net> wrote:
On 11/10/2022 11:46 PM, Ricky wrote:
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Please educate us which party wants universal free healthcare and free education (loan forgiveness). We will have >$1T deficit as far as we can see.
I don\'t think there is anything like free health care in any developed country - here in Canada it is part of our taxes like other government services such as roads, police, education...you know, the essentials for a sane society.
Nothing is more expensive than something advertised as \"free.\"
Doesn\'t apply to US health care which is roughly half again more expensive per head than that offered in other advanced industrial countries, while delivering a roughly five years poorer expectation of life.
Care to explain what kind of miracle health care system is responsible for life expectancy?
The health care system is only responsible for making sick people live a little longer, and counseling people in how not to get sick by avoiding unhealthy life styles.
Life expectancy is a measure of the health of the population. Unless the place is a complete wreck, lots of people untreated, it has little to do with health care delivery. Can you find where it says otherwise here:
https://www.aihw.gov.au/reports-data/health-conditions-disability-deaths/life-expectancy-deaths/overview
Why would they bother? Australia isn\'t any kind of wealth care wreck.
So unless you can show the U.S. is full of people with diagnosed but untreated illness, your evaluation of their health care system is baseless.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obesity_in_the_United_States
That was easy. How come you haven\'t noticed?
That has nothing to do with health care.
If the people don\'t last too well, the health system isn\'t working as well as it should.
Doesn\'t follow.
Or you are unwilling to admit that it does.
All you\'re talking about, but too dumb to realize, is the inhabitants of these other places adhere to less unhealthy lifestyles. Medicine cannot reverse a lifetime of self-destructive unhealthy behavior.
But they can discourage that self-destructive unhealthy behavior, ideally when the patients are young enough that they haven\'t got far into self-destruction.
People in that age group aren\'t receptive to that kind of message. They think they\'re immortal.
Not all of them by any means. Many fewer kids smoke now than they did when we were young.
That\'s because of a lot of other changes such as: price of cigarettes is high especially for juveniles, only people 21 years of age or older can legally buy cigarettes, smoking is now forbidden in a lot places where it was once allowed, social stigma, loss of employment opportunity- some employers won\'t consider smokers for employment, other have gone so far as terminating employees who fail to quit within a specified timeframe, there are a multitude of reasons making smoking a big hassle. None of them have to do with a health based conviction.
The US health system s remarkably ineffective at that, as you can see from the number Americans who are overweight.
That probably has more to do with the convenience, ready availability, and low cost of fattening diets, in addition to a 24/7 marketing blitz pushing that kind of food. It has nothing to do with health care delivery.
The tobacco companies used to be able to get away with that kind of marketing. The health care system was able to exert enough influence to get them forced to cut back. The fast food industry ought to be equally vulnerable - except of course that it makes even more money, and in the US money talks particularly loudly.
None of that has to do with health care delivery.
With the exception of possibly Germany, U.S. has the best health care system in the world.
https://www.worldometers.info/demographics/life-expectancy/
puts Germany at 27th, and the US at 46th. Australia is at number eight. Do tell us the basis of your conclusion. At the moment it is a bald assertion of the kind that Gnaguy goes in for.
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As John Robertson says, nobody advertises universal health care as free. It\'s paid for with a tax - in my case a 2% levy on my income - but you don\'t getdenied care because you can\'t afford it.
No one is denied health care in U.S.
Very few places will treat you if you haven\'t health insurance. and the quality of the care you get can be dubious.
The law entitles everyone to emergency care.
Emergency care is designed to stop you dying on the spot. It isn\'t designed to get people cured from the the disorder that brought them in.
People are only very rarely \"cured\" of a disorder that got to the point of requiring emergency care.
The poor have Medicaid for standard care. Doctors tend to lose enthusiasm for treating patients who remain obviously non-compliant to their advice, or sell their prescription meds on the black market. Other than that there is no reason whatsoever the poor can\'t get the exact same treatment as the privately insured.
So treating the poor is more difficult that treating the well off, and America doesn\'t bother. That \'s exactly why drug-resistant tuberculosis got established in the US at about the same time as it started showing up in third world countries. This did emphasise that the health system has to deal with the health of the population as whole, as opposed to the health of the well-off who are easier and more profitable to treat.
That is such a pathetically old and obvious observation that it\'s not worth comment. Drug resistant TB was brought into this country by immigrants, they\'re still bringing it with them, along with polio recently.
Naomi Klein has talked about having had a car accident in New Orleans when covering Hurricane Katrina and having got brilliant treatment in an empty private hospital,when the less well-off locals were getting inadequate health care in emergency accommodation.
https://www.urban.org/sites/default/files/publication/50896/411348-Hospitals-in-Hurricane-Katrina.PDF
That airhead doesn\'t know what she\'s talking about- she\'s totally oblivious to reality.
Only a rightwing airhead would be silly enough to claim that Naomi Klein was \"oblivious to reality\".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naomi_Klein
She\'s completely out of touch with reality. Her bio even admits she was raised in a pro-Stalinist communistic family, and it influenced her greatly. This isn\'t the 1960s anymore when people though communism was so cool. Klein is washed up.
She thinks that people like you ignore realities that they don\'t like, which you resent, but she\'s right.
New Orleans was a disaster area so of course you can expect the medical facilities to be improvised. How would she know if anyone\'s care was inadequate. In that particular situation housing patients in field tents with collapsible cots for beds is plenty adequate.
She was pointing out that she got to exploit super-adequate medical facilities that weren\'t being exploited to help out people who desperately needed them.
If they opened the facilities for everyone they would soon get to the point of not being able to help anyone. The woman is an idiot not worth listening to.
And what other than a trauma injury put people in the hospital after the hurricane? Maybe they cut their knee on the glass they broke during a looting or something.
Quite a few of them were in hospital before the hurricane, and needed help when their hospitals got flooded or lost power or ran out of supplies. as is pointed out in the link I posted and you\'ve ignored.
Yeah- that Urban Institute paper is defective in so many ways. It reads like it was written by a demented child. Most American cities are full of corruption and mismanagement, New Orleans is especially bad- so what\'s new?
The mega hospitals need to move all their emergency power generation to the roof- and make storage space for some of these collapsible gizmoids to move patients and replenish supplies- now there\'s a small industry of disaster relief drones for the same ends.
https://www.zodiac-nautic.com/us/
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