Chip with simple program for Toy

[sparky]

It mostly depends on what you want to do. A few years ago there was
no usenet and no regulars.. Just ordinary people like you and me.
Then a few decided to become the "net cops" and make rules for
others.



On Jan 4, 1:52 pm, "amdx" <a...@knology.net> wrote:

"Josepi" <J...@inv.alid.com> wrote in message

news:KOvYm.3408$DR6.1159@newsfe19.iad...> I'll stick with the crowd and the logical method following the flavour of
the three browsers I have experienced.

  Your NOT sticking with the crowd. Take some time and read some groups,
you will find the convention is bottom posting.
 Regulars don't use browsers for a newsgroup, they use a newsreader.
  If you were right, you would not be getting  flack from the regulars?
Note, I agree with your logic, top posting would be easier for the way
I read the groups. But that is not the convetion. You could drive on the
right* so you so you have a better sense of where the centerline is, but
that's not the convention. If you drive on the right it screws up traffic..
Join the crowd.
                                                 Mike
* assumes your in the UK.

 

[John Fields]

On Mon, 4 Jan 2010 11:53:01 -0800 (PST), sparky <sparky12x@yahoo.com>
wrote:

It mostly depends on what you want to do. A few years ago there was
no usenet and no regulars.. Just ordinary people like you and me.
Then a few decided to become the "net cops" and make rules for
others.

---
Not _rules_, just manners and, as new as it is, tradition.

Have you ever wondered why a place setting at a polite table is set out
the way it is?

It's because of the way the tools are used during a meal, with the order
going from the outside in as the meal progresses.

Notice, particularly, how the sharp edge of the knife's blade is placed
so as to face its user's plate instead of toward the guest sitting next
to it.

A very gracious way of presenting a symbolically non-threatening
attitude to a neighbor, methinks, instead of the perpetual frown you
arrogantly hostile top-posters seem to confront everyone with.

JF

 

[Josepi]

WTF kind of drugs are you on this time?

Not a bad troll except I see the asshole reputation you have here and
"click". Too obvious.

Go back to sleep, genius.

<wmbjkREMOVE@citlink.net> wrote some lunacy
news:sdi4k5p18hjuh0djjd2a2t67u1lr5hf4t1@4ax.com...
Save your keystrokes. Josepi is just another of gymmy bob's nyms. A
couple of the others he's used in the energy groups are john p bengi
and solar flare. No matter the newsgroup, he *always* ends up arguing
against proper posting form. Here are a few examples, see for
yourself.

http://tinyurl.com/yhuapw7
http://tinyurl.com/yj2cbtg
http://tinyurl.com/yh386pu


I can't remember which nym it was, but when he started using it here
he bottom posted as part of his disguise. <snorf> But his quackery
gave him away, and as soon as he was outed he went right back to top
posting again, and insisting that it's the standard, despite what by
now must be hundreds of posts explaining the situation to him.
Clearly, he'll never learn.

Wayne

 

[YD]

Late at night, by candle light, sparky <sparky12x@yahoo.com> penned
this immortal opus:

It mostly depends on what you want to do. A few years ago there was
no usenet and no regulars.. Just ordinary people like you and me.
Then a few decided to become the "net cops" and make rules for
others.

Usenet was going strong long before there were browsers. In fact, the
main means of communication at the time. Not counting IRC. It's
declining the last couple of years due to Google screwing it up by
making it available in browsers and the old-timers tiring of the mess.

Looking at the frontpage GooGoo make it look like usenet was their
invention and a sub-set of GooGoo groups. Nothing could be farther
from the truth.

- YD.
--
Remove HAT if replying by mail.

 

[Josepi]

Usenet has come a long way since we used to ftp the messages down. Browsers
were developed and threading became a reality and attaching messages to your
reply became unecessary, except for clarity of response.

Top posting has always been encouraged by all browsers in order to keep
headers with the their respective text and the latest posted information at
the position the post was opened, by your modern browser. Some people just
can't get out of the eighties with their Usenet technology, despite all
their professed prowess with other technologies.


"YD" <ydtechHAT@techie.com> wrote in message
news:a495k5trnr1p4enh6ggfli16f6i3da807v@4ax.com...
Usenet was going strong long before there were browsers. In fact, the
main means of communication at the time. Not counting IRC. It's
declining the last couple of years due to Google screwing it up by
making it available in browsers and the old-timers tiring of the mess.

Looking at the frontpage GooGoo make it look like usenet was their
invention and a sub-set of GooGoo groups. Nothing could be farther
from the truth.

- YD.
--


Late at night, by candle light, sparky <sparky12x@yahoo.com> penned
this immortal opus:

It mostly depends on what you want to do. A few years ago there was
no usenet and no regulars.. Just ordinary people like you and me.
Then a few decided to become the "net cops" and make rules for
others.

 

[Don Klipstein]

In article <YZz0n.1623$ap2.607@newsfe18.iad>, Josepi wrote:

Usenet has come a long way since we used to ftp the messages down.

I never used ftp for Usenet since I got involved in 1995. This is the
first time I even heard of ftp being used for Usenet, and I have heard
differently how it usually worked.

Browsers were developed and threading became a reality

Threading was a reality in 1995 and before, with newsreader and
email/news software.

and attaching messages to your
reply became unecessary, except for clarity of response.

Top posting has always been encouraged by all browsers in order to keep
headers with the their respective text and the latest posted information
at the position the post was opened, by your modern browser.

Newsreader software worked that way in 1995 and before also (and still
does)!

Meanwhile, Usenet regulars are accustomed to looking for responses
following what they are in response to. Browsers do not discourage that
any more than newsreader software does.

Some people just can't get out of the eighties with their Usenet
technology, despite all their professed prowess with other technologies.

The customs of Usenet were established by people who are now old farts,
and the vast majority of those on Usenet support the old-fart customs,
because of how they are accustomed to time-efficiently reading Usenet
posts.

- Don Klipstein (don@misty.com)

"YD" <ydtechHAT@techie.com> wrote in message
news:a495k5trnr1p4enh6ggfli16f6i3da807v@4ax.com...
(and Josepi fails ro add quotation symbols as usual)
Usenet was going strong long before there were browsers. In fact, the
main means of communication at the time. Not counting IRC. It's
declining the last couple of years due to Google screwing it up by
making it available in browsers and the old-timers tiring of the mess.

Looking at the frontpage GooGoo make it look like usenet was their
invention and a sub-set of GooGoo groups. Nothing could be farther
from the truth.

- YD.
SNIP afterwards

 

[Baron]

sparky Inscribed thus:

It mostly depends on what you want to do. A few years ago there was
no usenet and no regulars.. Just ordinary people like you and me.
Then a few decided to become the "net cops" and make rules for
others.

I think you need to go and read a bit of history ! Usenet precedes the
WWW by a long way. I was using it in the early 80's...
Almost 30 years ago. Seems like yesterday.

<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usenet>


--
Best Regards:
Baron.

 

[Josepi]

Geeeezzzz. I guess you must be under 15 years old then.

Windows? WTF was that then?

"YD" <ydtechHAT@techie.com> wrote in message
news:q8s7k5lvfgt3a7e0p0f29lp3bu92bj5mis@4ax.com...
Late at night, by candle light, "Josepi" <JRM@invaliid.con> penned
this immortal opus:

Usenet has come a long way since we used to ftp the messages down. Browsers
were developed and threading became a reality and attaching messages to
your
reply became unecessary, except for clarity of response.

AFAIK ftp was never used for messaging, except possibly some BBS.
Threading newsreaders (with the original text attached) were a reality
long before any Windows boxes came on-line. Hell, there weren't any
Windows boxes at all at the time. Go read some history, will you? Do
you really think www is the end-all and be-all of the internet? If you
do, excellent! It means one less clueless weenie not getting into the
real stuff and mess it up.

- YD

--
Remove HAT if replying by mail.

 

[YD]

Late at night, by candle light, "Josepi" <JRM@invaliid.con> penned
this immortal opus:

Usenet has come a long way since we used to ftp the messages down. Browsers
were developed and threading became a reality and attaching messages to your
reply became unecessary, except for clarity of response.

AFAIK ftp was never used for messaging, except possibly some BBS.
Threading newsreaders (with the original text attached) were a reality
long before any Windows boxes came on-line. Hell, there weren't any
Windows boxes at all at the time. Go read some history, will you? Do
you really think www is the end-all and be-all of the internet? If you
do, excellent! It means one less clueless weenie not getting into the
real stuff and mess it up.

- YD

--
Remove HAT if replying by mail.

 

[Fred Abse]

On Mon, 04 Jan 2010 12:52:55 -0600, amdx wrote:

Your NOT sticking with the crowd. Take some time and read some groups,
you will find the convention is bottom posting.
Regulars don't use browsers for a newsgroup, they use a newsreader.

He's using Outhouse Excuse. That ain't no browser.

--
"Electricity is of two kinds, positive and negative. The difference
is, I presume, that one comes a little more expensive, but is more
durable; the other is a cheaper thing, but the moths get into it."
(Stephen Leacock)

 

[Fred Abse]

On Tue, 05 Jan 2010 23:21:01 -0300, YD wrote:

AFAIK ftp was never used for messaging, except possibly some BBS.

Back in the day, UUCP ruled.

--
"Electricity is of two kinds, positive and negative. The difference
is, I presume, that one comes a little more expensive, but is more
durable; the other is a cheaper thing, but the moths get into it."
(Stephen Leacock)

 

[Michael B]

No, and we also don't need to become acquainted with
the intricate aspects of buggy-whip manufacture.

Some people adapt to changing times, others cling to
the habits they learned to barely survive as others
pass them by.

You cling, and seek to be buddies with other trailer-
park refugees whose only value is to provide amusement,
and protein if things get tough.

On Dec 24 2009, 11:21 am, John Fields <jfie...@austininstruments.com>
wrote:

As usual, when you try to give one of the mentally deficient
Google-groupers a hand by clueing them in to USENET etiquette they fight
tooth and nail to remain clueless and self-absorbed.

JF

 

[Josepi]

As seasoned and thinking Usenet operators we should know better than to
respond to the age old classic troll of posting style.

You have probably noticed that this was introduced as a sidetrack to some
not understanding what they have posted and lacking defence for logic to
back it up.

How is your coil winding going?


"Michael B" <baughfam@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:cc1f3843-cf2f-4c99-8823-81e02ff73578@c34g2000yqn.googlegroups.com...
No, and we also don't need to become acquainted with
the intricate aspects of buggy-whip manufacture.

Some people adapt to changing times, others cling to
the habits they learned to barely survive as others
pass them by.

You cling, and seek to be buddies with other trailer-
park refugees whose only value is to provide amusement,
and protein if things get tough.


On Dec 24 2009, 11:21 am, John Fields <jfie...@austininstruments.com>
wrote:
As usual, when you try to give one of the mentally deficient
Google-groupers a hand by clueing them in to USENET etiquette they fight
tooth and nail to remain clueless and self-absorbed.

JF

JF


JF

 

[Baron]

Michael B Inscribed thus:

I appreciate your asking. The local store with magnet wire
has closed, it looks like I'll need to get it online.

Any favorite sources of wire?

Nearest electronics junk pile.

--
Best Regards:
Baron.

 

[Michael B]

I appreciate your asking. The local store with magnet wire
has closed, it looks like I'll need to get it online.

Any favorite sources of wire?

On Jan 6, 9:39 pm, "Josepi" <J...@invaliid.con> wrote:

You have probably noticed that this was introduced as a sidetrack to some
not understanding what they have posted and lacking defence for logic to
back it up.

How is your coil winding going?

 

[Josepi]

Sorry, I been out of the wire and coil business for over 40 years. We used
to get the odd experimenter come into the coil winding factories and ask to
buy a spool and then return the empty for the deposit.

Find a local transformer / coil mfg. and get friendly.

"Michael B" <baughfam@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:d4ebd644-f806-45cf-8518-8311266cd25a@e27g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
I appreciate your asking. The local store with magnet wire
has closed, it looks like I'll need to get it online.

Any favorite sources of wire?

On Jan 6, 9:39 pm, "Josepi" <J...@invaliid.con> wrote:

You have probably noticed that this was introduced as a sidetrack to some
not understanding what they have posted and lacking defence for logic to
back it up.

How is your coil winding going?

 

[daestrom]

sparky wrote:

It mostly depends on what you want to do. A few years ago there was
no usenet and no regulars..

Actually, 'usenet' is a lot older than the WWW. Before http and www,
there was uucp (unix-to-unix copy). You could send e-mail and usenet
messages without an 'internet'.

daestrom

 

[daestrom]

Josepi wrote:

Usenet has come a long way since we used to ftp the messages down.

ftp??? Boy, that came along much later. Usenet is an offshoot of old
'bulletin board' systems. Starting out on UN*X machines at
universities, it used UUCP to transfer batches of messages from machine
to machine. That was pre IP-protocol days.

Browsers

were developed and threading became a reality and attaching messages to your
reply became unecessary, except for clarity of response.

Change that to 'news readers' and you'd be right. 'Browsers' were
developed for the WWW sometime later.

The simple proof of that is if you're reading in google groups or such,
you're actually reading a page of html text. The server at google has
taken the news-server messages and stripped and reformatted them into
html for serving out to a web browser.

When you reply to a message using google groups, google's server takes
the response from your 'post' message to the web server and puts its own
news header on it and sends it to various news servers around the world.

Top posting has always been encouraged by all browsers in order to keep
headers with the their respective text and the latest posted information at
the position the post was opened, by your modern browser.

Now you're just making stuff up. The 'headers' are not normally put in
the text window but in a separate section not normally viewed by humans.
For example in my news reader, I don't see any 'headers' in the text
window. To view the headers I simply use a menu option.

Each news server that sends a message adds its own address onto the
header but that has nothing to do with 'top posting'.

daestrom

 

[daestrom]

Fred Abse wrote:

On Mon, 04 Jan 2010 12:52:55 -0600, amdx wrote:

Your NOT sticking with the crowd. Take some time and read some groups,
you will find the convention is bottom posting.
Regulars don't use browsers for a newsgroup, they use a newsreader.

He's using Outhouse Excuse. That ain't no browser.

It's not even a very good news-reader ;-)

AFAIK, you can't use OE as a 'browser' to surf the WWW :-/

daestrom

 

[Josepi]

Was that when you were a ship's captain in the Navy, a nuclear Physicist or
a Hydro Operator?

"daestrom" <daestrom@twcny.rr.com> wrote in message
news:hi5ko60u7r@news1.newsguy.com...

<the usual snipped>

daestrom