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[Jim Thompson]

On Tue, 28 Apr 2015 10:47:53 -0400, Phil Hobbs
<pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:

On 04/27/2015 11:37 PM, jurb6006@gmail.com wrote:
Oh, and this last election result was not favorable. Mr. Hardliner
is still in there and insisting. I really owuld have liked to see
the Jewish people elect someone a bit more prone to peace.

ad perhaps they did. Their election system is not a one takes all.
It's not like here. It is probably a buit better because the US has
problems because of this eight years max shit. How can you have a
direction to take that affcts generations after you when you have to
think about every eight years ?

So no system is perfect. when is the next election in Israel ? And
in fact, what was the popular vote ? Who voted for which party n shit
? I'm sure there are districts or something right ? Provinces ?

I might have to look that up just out of curiousity.

But really, any Israel firsters in here - do you think the Israeli
people would rather a more moderate government ? They gotta be
getting sick of this shit if nothing else.


Quite the reverse. The Israelis that I know say they just got sick of
getting f*****d over every time they made a peace initiative. They're
surrounded by people who hate them, and who have tried more than once in
living memory to push them into the ocean (1948, 1967). From 70 AD,
when the Romans destroyed Jerusalem, obliterated the Temple, and
dispersed the Jews throughout the Empire, to the 1940s, their historical
orientation has been to "go along to get along", i.e. to seek
assimilation in the societies where they live, while maintaining their
distinctive traditions. That was never that easy--Ferdinand and
Isabella disposessed them and chucked them out of Spain, and similar
things happened in England, Russia, and elsewhere--but it was the Nazis
that really ended that game. The Jews are getting run out of Europe
again in our time--the Jewish population of all of Europe is down to 1.4
million, vs. 9.5 million in 1933 and 3.8 million in 1945. There are
more than that in metropolitan New York City (about 2 million.)

Countries who drop bombs on Americans tend to meet with a vigorous
response as well. (Japan, for instance.) Appeasing people who hate you
is not a growth strategy in the long run--see Chamberlain, comma,
Neville, former British Prime Minister. It's weakness that leads to
war, not strength. (*)

If it weren't for the fact that they're Jews, nobody would bat an eye at
Israel's defending itself. Who in the West really cared about the
Iran/Iraq war when it was going on? It was far more cruel and bloody
than anything Israel's ever been involved with, but it's Israel that has
the left's panties in a wad. The growing antisemitism of the Left is
one of their uglier characteristics.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

(*) The apparent counterexample of WWI isn't one really, since it was
the inflexibility of the German and Russian mobilization plans that made
it impossible for the Germans to draw back from war once mobilization
had been ordered. The Kaiser and the Tsar both tried desperately to do
so, but couldn't.

The problem now is that we have an ultimate appeaser in Obama, which
will end up causing a war that will likely be fought on our own soil.

Wonder how Obama is going to respond to this...

<http://hotair.com/archives/2015/04/28/breaking-al-arabiya-reports-iranian-forces-seize-us-cargo-ship-pentagon-confirms/>

It's a ship registered in the Marshall Islands, not specifically US,
but "The Republic of the Marshall Islands is independent of the US but
has a 'free association' relationship with [the US]... However, since
we provide for the defense of the Marshall Islands, it's going to wind
up functionally the same thing."

I bet all Obama will say is "please", and offer more reduction in
sanctions. What a weenie!

I'm glad I live inland from the coasts. When Iran and North Korea go
nutso both coasts are going to pay the consequences for voting
Democrat.

Well-deserved ?>:-}

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I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.

 

"The problem now is that we have an ultimate appeaser in Obama, which
will end up causing a war that will likely be fought on our own soil. "

Sure will. The revolt wehen the economy collapses more.

If you knew th history off that area well, you would not slam Obama for not attacking Iran.

First of all the sanctions do nothing. Iran is now selling oil to Chine for real gold, leaving one less entity doing business in petrobucks. When they come home to roost it won't matter how many of them you have. You are going to need a wheelbarrel full of money to buy a loaf of bread, and you should remember what happened last time.

Leave Iran the fuck alone, what the US and Israel are doing is what MAKES them want a bomb ! Wouldn't you ? And who the fuck is to say they can't have it ? Russia doesn't seem to mind, they sell them half the shit.

 

>"The Israelis that I know say they just got sick of >getting f*****d over every time they made a peace initiative."

Have you seen the temrs of those "initiatives" ?

Israel wants alot more land, tht is all there is to it. They are trying to starve the shiskas out of there, and the people apparently support that. they keep on putting up more settlements, fucking with the water, power and every other damn thing that comes in there.

And one thing I am sure alot of peoople do not want to hear abouit is the kill ratio. thousands of palestinians die and nobody says a wword. ONE Jewish kid gets kidnapped and it is all over the place.

No, they do not want peace, they want "Greater Israel". they want a bunch of Egypt as well, but whether they get that or not is debatable. They might have too much trouble selling that to the world as self defense like they tried on 1967, which is why they attacked the USS Libery.

they do have a Palestinian problem. The Palestiniansd have good reason to hate them and never stop fighting and at least one of their Prime Ministers said so quite matter of factly many years ago. Nothing has changed.

The don't want a two state solution, the settlements are proof of that. They don't want a one state solution becasue the Israeli People will not support it. They are openly racist and in polls answer freely that they would not live in the same apartment nuiolding with them, or eat i n the same restaurants or work with them or hire them. they answer these questions just like giving you the time of day., And I admire that. Being honest. Come on, there are people you don't want to be around either. But it is politically incorrect to admit it. However, why do you buy houses iun certain eighborhoods ? Don't you like the people in those ______ neighborhoods ?

Nobody can bullshit me about this, I have seen too much. Almost wish I hadn't.

 

On Tue, 28 Apr 2015 15:45:21 -0500, Tim Wescott
<seemywebsite@myfooter.really> wrote:

On Tue, 28 Apr 2015 15:31:39 +0000, John Doe wrote:

Thinking about cordless drills.

Those flipping the switch to run the drill backwards instead of forwards
reduce the efficiency?

Maybe. Maybe not. There, isn't that nice?

I'm assuming that you mean permanent-magnet commutated DC motors (the kind
that just have two wires coming out).

The armature current in a DC motor lags the voltage on the armature coil a
bit, because of coil inductance. You can tune a commutated DC motor to
run more efficiently by advancing the brushes a bit on the commutator --
this is rarely done, but there is a large body of lore associated with it
among slot car racers.

However, most run of the mill small DC motors are designed to run the same
in either direction. You may get motors that run a bit differently in one
direction than the other due to manufacturing variations, but that would
be a consequence of chance, not design.

So, probably not.

Would it make any difference if the motor were brushless?

That depends hugely on how the motor is driven. The same effect with
lagging armature current exists, and you can make things a bit better by
advancing the commutation, but first the brushless driver designer would
have to care, and then he'd have to dare.

If you had a brushless drive sophisticated enough to give a bit of lead to
the voltage then it would probably be easy-peasy to extend this to do so
in both directions. But I very much doubt that a cordless drill, if it's
brushless at all, would have such a feature.

Greetings Tim,
I bet that cordless, brushless, DC motors in drills do advance the
timing a little to emulate advancing the brushes. It is so easy to do.
And many of the hobby brushless motor drivers allow the user to cahnge
the timing. I don't remember how much of a difference it makes in
motor effeciency to optimize brush placement but I do know that often
times the brushes are rotated just for the lowest sparking and RF,
which wouldn't apply to brushless motors. Still, with modern
electronics controlled by a microcontroller it would be fairly easy to
optimize commutation timing to get the longest battery life. I sure
would like to know.
Eric

 

[John Doe]

Ron <Ron@GMail.com> wrote:

Since the majority of drill bits are designed to run clockwise,
running it backwards is very likely to be inefficient whilst drilling
anyway.

Beam me up, Scotty.

 

[Ron]

In article <gkuvjadsep5s7q545tt5fgasb8erm6de70@4ax.com>,
<etpm@whidbey.com> wrote:

Thinking about cordless drills.

Those flipping the switch to run the drill backwards instead of
forwards reduce the efficiency?

Since the majority of drill bits are designed to run clockwise, running it
backwards is very likely to be inefficient whilst drilling anyway.
Running it backwards to remove swarf etc isn't likely to load the drill up
too much.
Electric screwdrivers might be run backwards to remove screws or bolts but
the biggest issue is not having enough torque to undo the screw but not
shearing the head of the bolt/screw or snapping the bit.

IMNSHO

Ron

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MrRonMan@GMail.com

 

[David Eather]

On Wed, 29 Apr 2015 00:47:53 +1000, Phil Hobbs
<pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:

They're
surrounded by people who hate them, and who have tried more than once in
living memory to push them into the ocean (1948, 1967).

Hi Phil,

Please accept that I am not going to hunt down all the
references/names/dates for this but this is true:

The Israelis were the attackers in 1967 not the Arabs, but in this case
virtually all of the blame can be laid squarely on the political
maneuverings of the KGB/USSR and the USSR's ambassador to Israel. This
stuff took place within the month before the hot war (IIRC three weeks).

The Arab nations and particularly Egypt were very unimpressed in the type
of economic support they were getting form the Soviet allies eg obsolete
factories that were essentially useless etc. Egypt had started sending out
feelers to western countries. They weren't 'changing sides' *yet* but it
would have reduced Soviet influence in the area and the Soviets did fear
losing control in Egypt altogether.

To counter this 'drift' the Soviets (KGB) began to produce a series of
fake intelligence reports showing the Israels were enhancing their
readiness for offensive action. These were fed to the Arabs states in the
region. It was well done as the recipients believed them.

The results were that the Arab state began deployments to *defensive*
positions (1). Israel was quick to notice this and as the tensions
escalated made an unprecedented offer to diffuse tensions. They offered to
take the USSR ambassador on a tour around the entire boarder and every
military base in the country so he could see they weren't preparing for
anything. The ambassador refused(!) making an excuse like if the KGB says
it then it must be true.

As the Arabs continued deployments Israel had to respond eventually called
up all reserves. Geographically Israel is to small to make any real
difference in defensive vs offensive deployment.

This leaves Israel in a bad position that will only get worse with time.
With all reservist called up their is no trade or business of any sort
going on. Within a week people are going to start running out of food.
There is no 'red phone' like with usa-ussr and there is no available
trusted broker so they can deescalate in step with their neighbors.

Militarily and politically I understand the decision and even from a moral
perspective it is difficult to be too critical. Israel attacked and
started the 6-Day war. As an aside the unprecedented speed of victory led
to two things that weren't in the original plan - the annexation of the
west bank and the capture of Jerusalem - these had been left out because
it was believed these would become hot spots for rebellion and a constant
drain on Israel. How correct that was.

(1) - I preface this with 'at the time' I may not be up with the most
current military ideas - an offensive deployment starts with war supplies
on or near the start lines as supplies are the slowest things to move,
this gives an army a jump start at the start of the offensive. Typically
there would be more mobile AA protection for the Supplies/transports.
Stuff like bridging equipment is the most certain dead giveaway for this
type of deployment. There is only a small amount of 'digging in'

A defensive deployment is characterized by the supplies being much further
back, typically out of the range of an initial attack and protected by
fixed AA equipment. Much more attention to men and equipment being dug
into prepared positions and a very different deployment of stuff like
bridging equipment.

If it weren't for the fact that they're Jews, nobody would bat an eye at
Israel's defending itself.

I don't think that is true for a number of reasons. The most obvious one
is that there are many organizations bringing these things to public
attention e.g. international crisis group. the reasons they do or don't
get traction has more to do with domestic politics.Russian invasion of
Georgia - no one wants to know because the winter Olympics is SO
important. Wars in the FYR received much wider coverage in the rest of the
world than the USA. I have no idea why other than *perhaps* there was no
clear anti US side and the US did eventually come to the party.

As for Israel in the US and UN, Israeli actions weren't well published
because of the US veto in the UN and Jewish political power in the US. I
think this started to change with the establishment of the English
language version of Al Jazerra news which allowed westerners access to
uncensored news from an Arab perspective.

If you are brave enough to check the statistics gathered by the various
human rights groups (Amnesty and HRW for example - oh and before anyone
craps on about how you can't trust THEM, their methodology and accuracy is
such that Israel accepts their statistics as accurate) - you will find the
following:

(1) Nearly 3 out of 4 deaths are Arabs not Israeli
(2) Nearly 3 out of 4 deaths occurred in Arab occupied areas not Israeli

In other words while both groups (a generalization) hate each other and do
attack each other it is the Israelis that do most of the killing and most
of that killing is of Arabs living on their own land.

One of the reasons this continues is because of the relentless expansion
of Israeli settlements and the reason that continues is that the settlers
predominately support the Likud party and this strengthens the hand of the
ruling Likud party - yet another political party that looks to it's own
good rather than the good of the nation it is supposed to represent.


BTW after serious bible study I find no justification for the view of many
Christians that they should support the nation state of Israel in
Palestine let alone support it uncritically.

 

[Rheilly Phoull]

On 29/04/15 9:50 AM, John Doe wrote:

Ron <Ron@GMail.com> wrote:

Since the majority of drill bits are designed to run clockwise,
running it backwards is very likely to be inefficient whilst drilling
anyway.

Beam me up, Scotty.

Heh! mebbe he thought it might fill the hole in if it went backwards.

 

[default]

On Mon, 27 Apr 2015 19:34:29 -0700 (PDT), jurb6006@gmail.com wrote:

You know, osmetimes I do not know what to say about all this shit. The leadership of Israel is the problem, and has been for some time now. Just let's not get into blaming all Jews for it, lest we be blamed for what the US (in my case) governemnt does. I say and know that Israel is about the only worse government than the US' that has any matter. Yemen where you can marry an eight year old and kill her consumating the marriage is an ally of these peole. All these wars are not for Women's rights, human rights or any of that shit, and never was.

And the US has done alot worse, but then was always "influenced". Every one of those senators who wrote to Iran to sabotage any peace efforts was bought and paid for by AIPAC. This is not a conspiracty theory, these otherfuckers have the goddamn gall to BRAG about it on their website to curry more donations from their "lesser breatren" in the states.

And they keep the stupid intrigue going on for the sheeple, and yes there is alot of influence on the US' election process. And there is ALOT more going on. The qualitative edge which pledges the best of the best US weapons so Israel has the best weapons in the region. Three BILLION in aid, surpassed only by two couintries, one of which we bombed from the stone age back to the homonid era. for fucking opiates. the Taliban had to go because they forbade the growing of poppies for drug use, and made no distiction for legal use. they use alot of opiates in this country legally, and what's more the military brings alot of the shit in illegally as well. THEY ARE THE ONLY ONES WHO COULD GET AWAY WITH IT.

Things are not what they seem and Farrakahn said "the big Jew gets rich and the little Jew dies". And he is right. Their lower classes are just as expendable as anyones' and the average Jew on the street is fooled, just like the flag waving "patriots" yelling "USA USA NUMBER ONE NUMBER ONE !".

And who think the Rothschilds are/were just humble textile merchants.

We got a long way to go. what has to happen is one of two things. Either the little Jew distances himself from the big Jew and the business of getting rid of the non-rally-Jewish ones commences, or we have laws, like in Russia now, liniting what a Jew can do in business. See Putin knows them very well, he used ot work for them. Soviet means Jew. Plenty of non-Jews in the Soviet regime, but the Jews were in key positions. It was their show, and it didn't fail, IT WAS BLED TO DEATH. And that is why Putin treats them as he does. And the weapons Russia buys from Israel, I bet are completely reverse engineered for like two fucking years, because he know who not to trust. Hell, they don''t trust him.

And remember the gulf war one ? Remember it was originally called "Desert Sword" and got changeed really quick ? It got changed to esertt Storm because of a Biblical reference. I was there then, I remember. this has slipped most people's minds now, but that is how it was. Now remember how nothing got off the ground from Iraq ?

Know why ? the French, whose governemnt is full of Jews, supplied Saddam's computers. there was a bug in the software. In the targeting, when you went to fire it crashed. That is why gulf war one went so well.

Well Iran one is not goiung to go so well. they got ten times the military, and they got most of the world on their side. That is why a bunch of countries are in on these talkss. It is their business as well. what's more, Iran would probably only use a nuke for self destruction. See, havking nukes means that if they come for your natural resources, you cna make it really hard to get them.

Just try drilling for oil in a glass parking lot with NOTHING but the sun beating down on you in a radiation proof suit. Gasoline would be fifty bucks a gallon.

Not good for business.

See, it is all abnout business. From south America installing brutal dictators to Yemen, well from the halls of Montezuma to the shores of Tripoli. Everywhere there is a buck to be made, the US and you know who is there. now they're going into Mali to get gold for Germany. Ukraine didn't have enough.

These peole are gong to go down all on their own. We do not need a revolution. they will just walk away with their loot like they did in the USSR. And nobody can do a fuckling thing about it, except to try to not let it happen again. the founders of the USA really tried, came close but failed. The bankers now OWN this country, and are looking to use our wealth, that htrey stole, to get more. Whats more they want our blood for that purpose.

I will do everything in my power against these axis powers who think they own it all. This is not how life should be.

Oh, and BTW, the Arabs and Muslims, they are no saints either, but they don't steal.

I agree with most of what you write, but I do hope you have other
interests and don't dwell too heavily on this stuff. (for your own
well-being - I'd be tempted to say "that way insanity lies," but for
the fact that this status quo is insane IMO)

I feel that what we are seeing is a problem with mankind and the very
traits that make him a good survival strategy in a limitless world.
What works very well in small tribal cultures can't be extrapolated to
work in civilizations and overpopulation.

Governments (religions gangs etc.) would and do invent problems and
bogey men just to keep themselves in power. Threaten his security,
and man is easy to manipulate; promise him security and he is easily
led.

 

[Phil Hobbs]

On 04/28/2015 09:51 PM, David Eather wrote:

On Wed, 29 Apr 2015 00:47:53 +1000, Phil Hobbs
pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:
They're
surrounded by people who hate them, and who have tried more than once in
living memory to push them into the ocean (1948, 1967).

Hi Phil,

Please accept that I am not going to hunt down all the
references/names/dates for this but this is true:

The Israelis were the attackers in 1967 not the Arabs, but in this case
virtually all of the blame can be laid squarely on the political
maneuverings of the KGB/USSR and the USSR's ambassador to Israel. This
stuff took place within the month before the hot war (IIRC three weeks).

You're mixing up 1973 with 1967. In '67, the Egyptians sent tanks into
Sinai first, and Syria was shelling Tel Aviv from the Golan Heights.

<snip>

BTW after serious bible study I find no justification for the view of
many Christians that they should support the nation state of Israel in
Palestine let alone support it uncritically.

I've been a supporter of Israel for much longer than I've been a
Christian. I like Israelis very much in general, for one thing, and for
another, they show humanity and civilized restraint in very difficult
circumstances. Their opponents use their own people as human shields,
as a cynical manipulation of the media, and that is so despicable as to
be below barbarism.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs


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[John Larkin]

On Wed, 29 Apr 2015 08:03:17 -0400, default <default@defaulter.net>
wrote:

I feel that what we are seeing is a problem with mankind and the very
traits that make him a good survival strategy in a limitless world.
What works very well in small tribal cultures can't be extrapolated to
work in civilizations and overpopulation.

It's interesting that some people form big tribes (like, say, France)
and some people, if allowed to, fracture into small, mutually-hating,
warring tribes.

Governments (religions gangs etc.) would and do invent problems and
bogey men just to keep themselves in power. Threaten his security,
and man is easy to manipulate; promise him security and he is easily
led.

Some places, like Iraq and Lybia, were better off being run by an
insane dictator.


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picosecond timing precision measurement

jlarkin att highlandtechnology dott com
http://www.highlandtechnology.com

 

[default]

On Wed, 29 Apr 2015 11:13:24 -0700, John Larkin
<jlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> wrote:

On Wed, 29 Apr 2015 08:03:17 -0400, default <default@defaulter.net
wrote:


I feel that what we are seeing is a problem with mankind and the very
traits that make him a good survival strategy in a limitless world.
What works very well in small tribal cultures can't be extrapolated to
work in civilizations and overpopulation.

It's interesting that some people form big tribes (like, say, France)
and some people, if allowed to, fracture into small, mutually-hating,
warring tribes.

Raiding parties and wars were a way of varying the gene stock to
ameliorate inbreeding, and probably had additional benefits like
technology transfer.

Governments (religions gangs etc.) would and do invent problems and
bogey men just to keep themselves in power. Threaten his security,
and man is easy to manipulate; promise him security and he is easily
led.

Some places, like Iraq and Lybia, were better off being run by an
insane dictator.

I have to agree 100% with that.

 

[David Eather]

On Thu, 30 Apr 2015 23:28:15 +1000, David Eather <eather@tpg.com.au> wrote:

On Thu, 30 Apr 2015 04:13:24 +1000, John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> wrote:

On Wed, 29 Apr 2015 08:03:17 -0400, default <default@defaulter.net
wrote:


I feel that what we are seeing is a problem with mankind and the very
traits that make him a good survival strategy in a limitless world.
What works very well in small tribal cultures can't be extrapolated to
work in civilizations and overpopulation.

It's interesting that some people form big tribes (like, say, France)
and some people, if allowed to, fracture into small, mutually-hating,
warring tribes.

Ah, the root of the problem! When the middle east was carved up by
westerners the 'countries' created didn't take into account trial and
religious allegiances. They were carved up on the basis of size and what
was thought to be 'easy' administration for the European powers.



Governments (religions gangs etc.) would and do invent problems and
bogey men just to keep themselves in power. Threaten his security,
and man is easy to manipulate; promise him security and he is easily
led.

Some places, like Iraq and Lybia, were better off being run by an
insane dictator.



Yeah, genuine, wonderful, opportunities lost there and in Egypt.

 

[David Eather]

On Thu, 30 Apr 2015 23:28:15 +1000, David Eather <eather@tpg.com.au> wrote:

On Thu, 30 Apr 2015 00:42:09 +1000, Phil Hobbs
pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:

On 04/28/2015 09:51 PM, David Eather wrote:
On Wed, 29 Apr 2015 00:47:53 +1000, Phil Hobbs
pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:
They're
surrounded by people who hate them, and who have tried more than once
in
living memory to push them into the ocean (1948, 1967).

Hi Phil,

Please accept that I am not going to hunt down all the
references/names/dates for this but this is true:

The Israelis were the attackers in 1967 not the Arabs, but in this case
virtually all of the blame can be laid squarely on the political
maneuverings of the KGB/USSR and the USSR's ambassador to Israel. This
stuff took place within the month before the hot war (IIRC three
weeks).

You're mixing up 1973 with 1967. In '67, the Egyptians sent tanks into
Sinai first, and Syria was shelling Tel Aviv from the Golan Heights.

This sounds like you might have it back-to-front Phil.


Absolutely no mix up - 1967 six day war, most known for the astonishing
speed of the Israeli victory and complete air supremacy gained in 48hrs.
Israel absolutely struck first (air campaign begun some hours after
dawn, catching Arab pilots at breakfast after their dawn patrols had
landed. I believe most of the history books record it that way too, but
without the back story it appears that the Arab build up was a prelude
to an invasion, which it was not. I have no particular favorite between
Arab and Israeli and as I mentioned even though Israel stuck first, I
believe that given the situation Israel can't be seriously faulted.

In 1967 *every* analyst knew Israel would beat it's Arab neighbors in a
war. The Arabs knew it too, which is why they were vulnerable to the
KGB/USSR political maneuvering. KGB were saying "Look at this, Israel is
coming to wipe you from the face of the earth" and the political arm of
the USSR was saying "You don't expect us to support you when you don't
support us, do you?"


1973 Yom Kippur war. It remains as the only major intelligence failure
of Mossad. The build up was thought to be just an exercise and no threat
to Israel. The mistake almost push Israel into the sea.
This was the war with tank action on the Sinai and Golan Heights. The
war saw the introduction of SAM-6 Gainful and ZSU-23-4 (crikey! Why the
US didn't just copy the ZSU rather than the crap they came up with I
will never know) which initially almost denied the battlefield to
Israeli air power. Gainful operated a continuous wave radar which was
almost immune to US jammers (ALQ-92 or something - it's not important).

The US made a massive airlift of equipment available to Israel. It flew
it's wars stocks from Europe to Israel. Most of the guns had been
improperly stored and blew out their seals after firing a couple rounds.
Now storage emphasizes exercising the recoil mechanism periodically.

The war ended with Israeli units on the west side of the Suez canal and
Egyptian units on the east side. The Israelis prepped and threatened to
use it's nukes.

I just checked wikipedia. Yo might want to read:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Six-Day_War
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yom_Kippur_War

I promise I did not contribute to those articles in any way.



snip

BTW after serious bible study I find no justification for the view of
many Christians that they should support the nation state of Israel in
Palestine let alone support it uncritically.



I've been a supporter of Israel for much longer than I've been a
Christian.

My mistake. I get sick of sycophantic Christians who just excuse actions
because someone *says* they are such and such and they never look at
what they do.

I like Israelis very much in general, for one thing, and for
another, they show humanity and civilized restraint in very difficult
circumstances. Their opponents use their own people as human shields,
as a cynical manipulation of the media, and that is so despicable as to
be below barbarism.


Phil, that's what I believe the problem is. The media we, the west,
normally get or have gotten in the past has been manipulated and biased.
The casualty lists and investigations (even Israel accepts the stats and
methodology as correct) show that by far the greater number of deaths
are of Arabs killed by Israeli's in Arab territory and the great
majority of those deaths are civilians engaged in normal every day
activity. In this, Israel is much to blame for a very dirty war.

I don't think there is any solution. People think of the Israeli/Arab
conflict as though it had a homogeneous leadership, but it doesn't.
Factions of Arabs attack if they think they are becoming irrelevant
because peace is taking a hold and sadly factions in Israel do the exact
same thing. Have a look at the time lines and you can see it.

Israel claims to be more civilized but it isn't. They are exactly the
same.


Cheers

Phil Hobbs

 

[M Philbrook]

In article <ck94ka5ti8s3dclkhkit7o2qll71ni6hhp@4ax.com>,
default@defaulter.net says...

On Wed, 29 Apr 2015 11:13:24 -0700, John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> wrote:

On Wed, 29 Apr 2015 08:03:17 -0400, default <default@defaulter.net
wrote:


I feel that what we are seeing is a problem with mankind and the very
traits that make him a good survival strategy in a limitless world.
What works very well in small tribal cultures can't be extrapolated to
work in civilizations and overpopulation.

It's interesting that some people form big tribes (like, say, France)
and some people, if allowed to, fracture into small, mutually-hating,
warring tribes.

Raiding parties and wars were a way of varying the gene stock to
ameliorate inbreeding, and probably had additional benefits like
technology transfer.

Hows that song go?

"Been around the world and found that only stupid people
are breeding"

Jamie

 

>"Please accept that I am not going to ..."

Just understand that every Jew walking down the street is guilty of all that. If they held me responsible for what the US government id I would be seruiously so fucked the light from fucked would take an hour to reach me.

 

[David Eather]

On Thu, 30 Apr 2015 00:42:09 +1000, Phil Hobbs
<pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:

On 04/28/2015 09:51 PM, David Eather wrote:
On Wed, 29 Apr 2015 00:47:53 +1000, Phil Hobbs
pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:
They're
surrounded by people who hate them, and who have tried more than once
in
living memory to push them into the ocean (1948, 1967).

Hi Phil,

Please accept that I am not going to hunt down all the
references/names/dates for this but this is true:

The Israelis were the attackers in 1967 not the Arabs, but in this case
virtually all of the blame can be laid squarely on the political
maneuverings of the KGB/USSR and the USSR's ambassador to Israel. This
stuff took place within the month before the hot war (IIRC three weeks).

You're mixing up 1973 with 1967. In '67, the Egyptians sent tanks into
Sinai first, and Syria was shelling Tel Aviv from the Golan Heights.

This sounds like you might have it back-to-front Phil.


Absolutely no mix up - 1967 six day war, most known for the astonishing
speed of the Israeli victory and complete air supremacy gained in 48hrs.
Israel absolutely struck first (air campaign begun some hours after dawn,
catching Arab pilots at breakfast after their dawn patrols had landed. I
believe most of the history books record it that way too, but without the
back story it appears that the Arab build up was a prelude to an invasion,
which it was not. I have no particular favorite between Arab and Israeli
and as I mentioned even though Israel stuck first, I believe that given
the situation Israel can't be seriously faulted.

In 1967 *every* analyst knew Israel would beat it's Arab neighbors in a
war. The Arabs knew it too, which is why they were vulnerable to the
KGB/USSR political maneuvering. KGB were saying "Look at this, Israel is
coming to wipe you from the face of the earth" and the political arm of
the USSR was saying "You don't expect us to support you when you don't
support us, do you?"


1973 Yom Kippur war. It remains as the only major intelligence failure of
Mossad. The build up was thought to be just an exercise and no threat to
Israel. The mistake almost push Israel into the sea.
This was the war with tank action on the Sinai and Golan Heights. The war
saw the introduction of SAM-6 Gainful and ZSU-23-4 (crikey! Why the US
didn't just copy the ZSU rather than the crap they came up with I will
never know) which initially almost denied the battlefield to Israeli air
power. Gainful operated a continuous wave radar which was almost immune to
US jammers (ALQ-92 or something - it's not important).

The US made a massive airlift of equipment available to Israel. It flew
it's wars stocks from Europe to Israel. Most of the guns had been
improperly stored and blew out their seals after firing a couple rounds.
Now storage emphasizes exercising the recoil mechanism periodically.

The war ended with Israeli units on the west side of the Suez canal and
Egyptian units on the east side. The Israelis prepped and threatened to
use it's nukes.

I just checked wikipedia. Yo might want to read:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Six-Day_War
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yom_Kippur_War

I promise I did not contribute to those articles in any way.

snip

BTW after serious bible study I find no justification for the view of
many Christians that they should support the nation state of Israel in
Palestine let alone support it uncritically.

I've been a supporter of Israel for much longer than I've been a
Christian.

My mistake. I get sick of sycophantic Christians who just excuse actions
because someone *says* they are such and such and they never look at what
they do.

I like Israelis very much in general, for one thing, and for

another, they show humanity and civilized restraint in very difficult
circumstances. Their opponents use their own people as human shields,
as a cynical manipulation of the media, and that is so despicable as to
be below barbarism.

Phil, that's what I believe the problem is. The media we, the west,
normally get or have gotten in the past has been manipulated and biased.
The casualty lists and investigations (even Israel accepts the stats and
methodology as correct) show that by far the greater number of deaths are
of Arabs killed by Israeli's in Arab territory and the great majority of
those deaths are civilians engaged in normal every day activity. In this,
Israel is much to blame for a very dirty war.

I don't think there is any solution. People think of the Israeli/Arab
conflict as though it had a homogeneous leadership, but it doesn't.
Factions of Arabs attack if they think they are becoming irrelevant
because peace is taking a hold and sadly factions in Israel do the exact
same thing. Have a look at the time lines and you can see it.

Israel claims to be more civilized but it isn't. They are exactly the same.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

 

On Thursday, April 30, 2015 at 11:51:57 PM UTC-5, jurb...@gmail.com wrote:

"Please accept that I am not going to ..."

Just understand that every Jew walking down the street is guilty of all that. If they held me responsible for what the US government id I would be seruiously so fucked the light from fucked would take an hour to reach me.

Just noticed I forgot to put in the word "not". They are NOt all guilty just as we are not all guilty for what our hired crooks do.

 

[DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUn]

On Tue, 24 Feb 2015 13:47:54 -0800 (PST), whit3rd <whit3rd@gmail.com>
Gave us:

On Friday, February 20, 2015 at 8:48:56 PM UTC-8, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno wrote:
On Fri, 20 Feb 2015 22:38:54 -0600, Joe Chisolm wrote:

On Fri, 20 Feb 2015 10:45:36 -0700, Jim Thompson wrote:

Look at the IOGEAR GW3DHDKIT. I have not tried it yet but giving it
serious consideration.

That allows you to pipe one single HDMI source only stream over a
proprietary wireless link to one receiver. Additional receivers are
nearly $200 each too. Not very flexible.

My idea uses standard industry networking technology (wifi) and each
node is as cheap as $135.

Actually, many Blu-ray players now come with wired or WiFi network connections;
aren't they a lot less than $135?

They pump the disc playback, not your desired source.

 

[whit3rd]

On Thursday, May 7, 2015 at 6:35:59 AM UTC-7, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno wrote:

On Tue, 24 Feb 2015 13:47:54 -0800 (PST), whit3rd <whit3rd@gmail.com
Gave us:

Actually, many Blu-ray players now come with wired or WiFi network connections;
aren't they a lot less than $135?

They pump the disc playback, not your desired source.

Not true, they support TCP/IP streaming downloads. Serving up a suitable source,
of course, may be a small matter of software...
see, for instance,

<http://www.samsung.com/us/video/blu-ray-dvd/BD-F5100/ZA>