Chip with simple program for Toy

[KILOWATT]

LOL... an ignition xformer? What a compact project that would be!

Just take the two high voltage leads from the transformer output
and jam them into a wad of steel wool or crampled up tinfoil
Shure..what a nice lighting show i would get! ;-)

<cornytheclown@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1108113463.764900.42460@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...

KILOWATT wrote:

Hi everyones...thanks to read. Please check the following link:

http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3872692720&fromMakeTrack=t
rue
With a proper enclosure, circulating fan, a timer circuit, and the
item
descibed there, do you think that i would have all the components to
make an
inexpensive but efficient Ozone generator? TIA

--
Alain(alias:Kilowatt)
Montréal Québec
PS: 1000 excuses for errors or omissions,
i'm a "pure" french canadian!
Come to visit me at: http://kilowatt.camarades.com
(If replying also by e-mail, remove
"no spam" from the adress.)

I couldnt get your ebay page to open so Im sure exactly what you are
wanting to do but......

You can make an inexpensive ozone generator out of a used oil burner
ignition transformer and a wad of steel wool or tin foil. Just take the
two high voltage leads from the transformer output and jam them into a
wad of steel wool or crampled up tinfoil. You will generate massive
amounts of ozone. If you can find a heating and cooling place in your
area they will sometimes give you old transformers off of furnaces they
have replaced..just got to catch them before they send the furnace to
the scrap yard.

Older neon sign transformers will do the same thing...but are usually
harder to get around here than old oil burner transformers.

 

[Mark Jones]

Ignition xfrmr's will produce ozone as long as only a partial plasma channel is
maintained. I have created ozone by placing the electrodes on a rock, where the
surface readily ionozes a light blue from partial conduction. But as soon as the
rock heats up enough to initiate full conduction, the rock's done for.

That said, ozone is not as great as everyone seems to think it is, probably
thanks to the news media. Ozone is a strong oxidizer since it's tertiary oxygen
molecule has a very weak bond. Anything O3 comes into contact with is oxidized -
including plastics (rubberbands turn into chunks of hard, brittle rubber),
metals (exposed metals "rust" readily in the presence of O3), and at
ground-level overall it is a major pollution contributor. The stuff is only good
for two things: blocking harmful UV in the upper atmosphere (where it belongs
and all the skin cancer patients wish there were more of) and cleaning large
volumes of open air (what we get from thunderstorms naturally.)

 

[John Woodgate]

I read in sci.electronics.design that Bob Masta <NoSpam@daqarta.com>
wrote (in <420e15ed.1617472@news.itd.umich.edu&gt about 'UV lamp question
for ozone generation...', on Sat, 12 Feb 2005:

Another use for ozone: Water purification, instead of chlorine. Don't
know the pros and cons of this, but a local spring water company used it
to purify their water. I think they claimed it left no or less harmful
products in the water than chlorine.

Less harmful products, and the water tastes better. But ozone treatment
is more costly than chlorine. You also get, of course, the idiots who
cite the limits for *airborne* ozone to show that it's 'far more toxic'
than chlorine.
--
Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only.
The good news is that nothing is compulsory.
The bad news is that everything is prohibited.
http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Also see http://www.isce.org.uk

 

[Spehro Pefhany]

On Sat, 12 Feb 2005 14:46:39 GMT, the renowned NoSpam@daqarta.com (Bob
Masta) wrote:

On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 11:03:57 -0500, Mark Jones <abuse@127.0.0.1
wrote:


The stuff is only good
for two things: blocking harmful UV in the upper atmosphere (where it belongs
and all the skin cancer patients wish there were more of) and cleaning large
volumes of open air (what we get from thunderstorms naturally.)

Another use for ozone: Water purification, instead of chlorine.
Don't know the pros and cons of this, but a local spring water
company used it to purify their water. I think they claimed it
left no or less harmful products in the water than chlorine.

AFAUI, all "spring water" is ozonated so that it won't kill people.
They don't go out of their way to advertise it on the label. Many
places use ozone for municipal water purification-- one problem is
that there is not enough residual ozone in the water to deal with
bacteria and so on that may enter through the distribution system, so
you have to have some chlorine. Some years back I was involved with a
water purification appliance that created (and destroyed) ozone to
purify water in small batches. It worked fairly well- even helping to
remove some metals by oxidizing them and removing them with a
conventional filter.


Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany
--
"it's the network..." "The Journey is the reward"
speff@interlog.com Info for manufacturers: http://www.trexon.com
Embedded software/hardware/analog Info for designers: http://www.speff.com

 

[Charles Jean]

On Sat, 12 Feb 2005 14:46:39 GMT, NoSpam@daqarta.com (Bob Masta)
wrote:

On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 11:03:57 -0500, Mark Jones <abuse@127.0.0.1
wrote:


The stuff is only good
for two things: blocking harmful UV in the upper atmosphere (where it belongs
and all the skin cancer patients wish there were more of) and cleaning large
volumes of open air (what we get from thunderstorms naturally.)

Another use for ozone: Water purification, instead of chlorine.
Don't know the pros and cons of this, but a local spring water
company used it to purify their water. I think they claimed it
left no or less harmful products in the water than chlorine.

Best regards,


Bob Masta
dqatechATdaqartaDOTcom

D A Q A R T A
Data AcQuisition And Real-Time Analysis
www.daqarta.com
---

Ozone is great for disinfection, but has the drawback of being so
reactive it doesn't last very long. It won't maintain a residual
disinfectant concentration in long municipal distribution systems.
Can also form bromate(bad boy) from any bromide that occurs naturally
in the source water.
GRAVITY:

It's not just a good idea-IT'S THE LAW!

 

[Jim Thompson]

On Sat, 12 Feb 2005 18:53:11 -0800, John Larkin
<jjSNIPlarkin@highTHISlandPLEASEtechnology.XXX> wrote:

On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 13:06:10 +1100, "Bill Bailley" <JustMe@Home
wrote:



On a humorous note, would anyone care to propose other fundamental units?

I propose the metric dam as a unit of caring, defined as the threshold of
caring about something.
If you don't give a dam, it is below your caring threshold.

It replaces the imperial shit, and the near-equivalent US turd, both of
which are fundamentally quantised units. One either has a shit, or not.

Now that's some funny shit.

--
Al Brennan

And could we include the millihelen as the measure of beauty that would
launch just one ship.


The picotera is a handy dimensionless scaler. I use it all the time.

John

In my college days the unit of importance was the Herman... 1 cubic
mouthful of the appropriate tissue ;-)

...Jim Thompson
--
| James E.Thompson, P.E. | mens |
| Analog Innovations, Inc. | et |
| Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus |
| Phoenix, Arizona Voice480)460-2350 | |
| E-mail Address at Website Fax480)460-2142 | Brass Rat |
| http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 |

I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.

 

[Fred Bartoli]

"John Larkin" <jjSNIPlarkin@highTHISlandPLEASEtechnology.XXX> a écrit dans
le message de news:n5gt01hds4uldtj5nearb0m0bndebp1hou@4ax.com...

On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 13:06:10 +1100, "Bill Bailley" <JustMe@Home
wrote:



On a humorous note, would anyone care to propose other fundamental
units?

I propose the metric dam as a unit of caring, defined as the threshold
of
caring about something.
If you don't give a dam, it is below your caring threshold.

It replaces the imperial shit, and the near-equivalent US turd, both of
which are fundamentally quantised units. One either has a shit, or not.

Now that's some funny shit.

--
Al Brennan

And could we include the millihelen as the measure of beauty that would
launch just one ship.


The picotera is a handy dimensionless scaler. I use it all the time.

Yep, the tera is a nice dimensionless unit.
Associate it with the vagueness multiplicator which is etce, and you have a
handy quantizing operator applicable to whatever you want.


--
Thanks,
Fred.

 

[John Woodgate]

I read in sci.electronics.design that Mark Jones <abuse@127.0.0.1> wrote
(in <i_SdnUggmLUVF5LfRVn-vw@buckeye-express.com&gt about 'UV lamp
question for ozone generation...', on Sun, 13 Feb 2005:

Hmm, I wonder how O3 would do as a regenerator for CuCl etchant...

It will certainly oxidize cuprous chloride to cupric chloride, but if it
decides to go the whole nine nanometres and make copper ozonide, RUN FOR
YOUR LIFE! (;-)
--
Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only.
The good news is that nothing is compulsory.
The bad news is that everything is prohibited.
http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Also see http://www.isce.org.uk

 

[Ruediger]

Gregory L. Hansen wrote:

In article <n5gt01hds4uldtj5nearb0m0bndebp1hou@4ax.com>,
John Larkin <jjSNIPlarkin@highTHISlandPLEASEtechnology.XXX> wrote:
On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 13:06:10 +1100, "Bill Bailley" <JustMe@Home
wrote:



On a humorous note, would anyone care to propose other fundamental
units?

I propose the metric dam as a unit of caring, defined as the threshold
of caring about something.
If you don't give a dam, it is below your caring threshold.

It replaces the imperial shit, and the near-equivalent US turd, both of
which are fundamentally quantised units. One either has a shit, or not.

Now that's some funny shit.

--
Al Brennan

And could we include the millihelen as the measure of beauty that would
launch just one ship.


The picotera is a handy dimensionless scaler. I use it all the time.

Of interest to academics is the Least Publishable Unit (LPU).

I reference the WTF: Want through Financiable...
Especially in computer games ( ego-shooters especially ) you often hear
people shouting "WTF" ... This is the request: I want what that guy used (
Skill / Cheat / Equipment ) but as they don't know what it would cost them
( In training, time or money ) they shout "WTF" to get a hint on the
requireent for it.

a WTF is defined as :
Want: Either 0 ( not interested ) or 1 ( want to have )
Through: Divided by
Financiable: 1 ( hour training, download & install-time, 1 hour work to get
the money to buy the stuff )
Values range by this only seldomly above 1, values of 0 are of no interest,
typical values for mechanical items like car-equipment are about 0.0125 to
0.25 WTF, Cheats are usually 0.75 to 1 WTF and skill-related WTF's often
are about 0.125 to 0.5 WTF

--
Hochachtungsvoll

Rüdiger

 

[xray]

On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 17:38:41 +0000, John Woodgate
<jmw@jmwa.demon.contraspam.yuk> wrote:

I read in sci.electronics.design that Mark Jones <abuse@127.0.0.1> wrote
(in <i_SdnUggmLUVF5LfRVn-vw@buckeye-express.com&gt about 'UV lamp
question for ozone generation...', on Sun, 13 Feb 2005:

Hmm, I wonder how O3 would do as a regenerator for CuCl etchant...

It will certainly oxidize cuprous chloride to cupric chloride, but if it
decides to go the whole nine nanometres and make copper ozonide, RUN FOR
YOUR LIFE! (;-)

I'm no chemist. What are its characteristics? Highly toxic? Unstable?

 

[John Woodgate]

I read in sci.electronics.design that xray <notreally@hotmail.invalid>
wrote (in <incv01h9oahc3j09jisi8j158f3o1kiv1k@4ax.com&gt about 'UV lamp
question for ozone generation...', on Sun, 13 Feb 2005:

On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 17:38:41 +0000, John Woodgate
jmw@jmwa.demon.contraspam.yuk> wrote:

I read in sci.electronics.design that Mark Jones <abuse@127.0.0.1> wrote
(in <i_SdnUggmLUVF5LfRVn-vw@buckeye-express.com&gt about 'UV lamp
question for ozone generation...', on Sun, 13 Feb 2005:

Hmm, I wonder how O3 would do as a regenerator for CuCl etchant...

It will certainly oxidize cuprous chloride to cupric chloride, but if it
decides to go the whole nine nanometres and make copper ozonide, RUN FOR
YOUR LIFE! (;-)

I'm no chemist. What are its characteristics? Highly toxic? Unstable?

Yes, prone to 'autonomous energetic disassembly'. (;-)

It's no doubt highly toxic as well, but you'd never get to find out.
--
Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only.
The good news is that nothing is compulsory.
The bad news is that everything is prohibited.
http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Also see http://www.isce.org.uk

 

[peterken]

"KILOWATT" <kilowatt"nospam"@softhome.net> wrote in message
news:ibDOd.25522$Ub4.1071748@news20.bellglobal.com...

Hi everyones...thanks to read. Please check the following link:

http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3872692720&fromMakeTrack=t
rue
With a proper enclosure, circulating fan, a timer circuit, and the item
descibed there, do you think that i would have all the components to make
an
inexpensive but efficient Ozone generator? TIA

--
Alain(alias:Kilowatt)
Montréal Québec
PS: 1000 excuses for errors or omissions,
i'm a "pure" french canadian!
Come to visit me at: http://kilowatt.camarades.com
(If replying also by e-mail, remove
"no spam" from the adress.)

There's a much simpler way :
- Use any old high voltage generator (strip a TV set or something), make
sure a voltage of minimum 2kV can be attained
- connect ground wire to a 'U' shaped metal bar with inside size of say 1/2"
- fix a very thin wire (preferrable wolfram, 0.001" or smaller) inside the
U-shape at equal distance from any side
(take care for the insulators at the opposite ends, so no flashing can
occur)
- connect this wire to the hot side of the transformer
- turn up the voltage until the wire starts glowing in the dark, a 'sizzing'
sound will be heard
==> ozon as much as you like

Beware, ozon is rather agressive !!

 

[Boris Mohar]

On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 14:31:19 -0800, John Larkin
<jjSNIPlarkin@highTHISlandPLEASEtechnology.XXX> wrote:

On 13 Feb 2005 13:04:30 -0800, Winfield Hill
hill_a@t_rowland-dotties-harvard-dot.s-edu> wrote:

Bill Bailley wrote...

And could we include the millihelen as the measure of beauty
that would launch just one ship.

That's feminine beauty, specifically.


Right. The corresponding masculine unit of beauty is the KiloLarkin.

John

who almost ripped an 800-foot LASH ship off the dock once, turning a
trimpot too far.

Backlash?



Regards,

Boris Mohar

Got Knock? - see:
Viatrack Printed Circuit Designs (among other things) http://www.viatrack.ca

 

[John Larkin]

On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 17:43:32 -0500, Boris Mohar
<borism_-void-_@sympatico.ca> wrote:

On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 14:31:19 -0800, John Larkin
jjSNIPlarkin@highTHISlandPLEASEtechnology.XXX> wrote:

On 13 Feb 2005 13:04:30 -0800, Winfield Hill
hill_a@t_rowland-dotties-harvard-dot.s-edu> wrote:

Bill Bailley wrote...

And could we include the millihelen as the measure of beauty
that would launch just one ship.

That's feminine beauty, specifically.


Right. The corresponding masculine unit of beauty is the KiloLarkin.

John

who almost ripped an 800-foot LASH ship off the dock once, turning a
trimpot too far.


Backlash?

Actually, I guess I did almost launch a ship. I was tweaking a
nonlinear function generator in the throttle control system I'd
designed, and managed to get up to almost 50 RPM before the ship's
engineer ran over and shut me down. It was tied up at Avondale
Shipyards (on the Mississippi river) with all sorts of gangways and
welders cables and hoses and stuff connected; I could have easily
killed a few people and set a ship loose in the river and become
famous. Now I do VME modules mostly, a bit safer.

LASH meant Lighter Aboard Ship, a freighter that picks up and carries
loaded barges.

John

 

[John Smith]

John Larkin wrote:

On 13 Feb 2005 13:04:30 -0800, Winfield Hill
hill_a@t_rowland-dotties-harvard-dot.s-edu> wrote:


Bill Bailley wrote...

And could we include the millihelen as the measure of beauty
that would launch just one ship.

That's feminine beauty, specifically.



Right. The corresponding masculine unit of beauty is the KiloLarkin.

John

So... one beauty is a Kilolarkin? Boy, thats a lot of Larkins!

J

 

[Bob Masta]

On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 12:12:41 -0500, Mark Jones <abuse@127.0.0.1>
wrote:

Hmm, I wonder how O3 would do as a regenerator for CuCl etchant...

I've never heard of CuCl as an etchant, but for standard ferric
chloride etchant I've heard of people adding HCl to regenerate it.
I've never tried that, since I wasn't sure how to tell how much to
add (without etching test boards, etc). I assume there must be
an optimum pH involved.

However, there is definitely an optimum concentration for
ferric chloride itself. It often comes too concentrated
as shipped, and hardly etches at all until you dilute it
down to 1.30 specific gravity. Curiously, as the etchant
gets exhausted and action slows down, adding water will
speed it back up again and extend its life. At the lab
where I used to work, they used to do this a couple of
times before declaring it exhausted. After the initial
1.30 adjustement of the new batch, the extra rejuvenations
were done "by eye", so I can't tell you what SG they
brought it back to. I also don't know how much of the
slow-down might have been caused by evaporation in
the etching tanks and trays, so I don't know if the
subsequent water additions were just correcting for
evaporation, or actual chemical exhaustion.

But whatever, ferric chloride is pretty mysterious stuff.
We were all amazed to find that dilution made it more
active.

Best regards,


Bob Masta
dqatechATdaqartaDOTcom

D A Q A R T A
Data AcQuisition And Real-Time Analysis
www.daqarta.com

 

[Ken Taylor]

"John Larkin" <jjSNIPlarkin@highTHISlandPLEASEtechnology.XXX> wrote in
message news:h36011l571k4550tin92vnbpjmev3kj5d5@4ax.com...

On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 02:31:18 GMT, John Smith <kd5yikes@mindspring.com
wrote:

John Larkin wrote:
On 13 Feb 2005 13:04:30 -0800, Winfield Hill
hill_a@t_rowland-dotties-harvard-dot.s-edu> wrote:


Bill Bailley wrote...

And could we include the millihelen as the measure of beauty
that would launch just one ship.

That's feminine beauty, specifically.



Right. The corresponding masculine unit of beauty is the KiloLarkin.

John

So... one beauty is a Kilolarkin? Boy, thats a lot of Larkins!

J

Yeah, scairy thought. The she-Larkins are a lot more presentable.

John

1 kiloLarkin = 1 femptoTaylor

(We all pull the chicks in our own cool ways......)

<dream mode = False>


Ken

 

[KILOWATT]

Polarity needs to alternate. I've found that DC voltage is not very
efficient, as the one coming from flyback xformers. However i think that a
flyback can still be used if it doesn't include the HV diode.

--
Alain(alias:Kilowatt)
Montréal Québec
PS: 1000 excuses for errors or omissions,
i'm a "pure" french canadian!
Come to visit me at: http://kilowatt.camarades.com
(If replying also by e-mail, remove
"no spam" from the adress.)



"peterken" <peter273@hotmail.com> wrote in message
newsnQPd.11139$q87.679987@phobos.telenet-ops.be...

"KILOWATT" <kilowatt"nospam"@softhome.net> wrote in message
news:ibDOd.25522$Ub4.1071748@news20.bellglobal.com...
Hi everyones...thanks to read. Please check the following link:


http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3872692720&fromMakeTrack=t
rue
With a proper enclosure, circulating fan, a timer circuit, and the item
descibed there, do you think that i would have all the components to
make
an
inexpensive but efficient Ozone generator? TIA

--
Alain(alias:Kilowatt)
Montréal Québec
PS: 1000 excuses for errors or omissions,
i'm a "pure" french canadian!
Come to visit me at: http://kilowatt.camarades.com
(If replying also by e-mail, remove
"no spam" from the adress.)



There's a much simpler way :
- Use any old high voltage generator (strip a TV set or something), make
sure a voltage of minimum 2kV can be attained
- connect ground wire to a 'U' shaped metal bar with inside size of say
1/2"
- fix a very thin wire (preferrable wolfram, 0.001" or smaller) inside the
U-shape at equal distance from any side
(take care for the insulators at the opposite ends, so no flashing can
occur)
- connect this wire to the hot side of the transformer
- turn up the voltage until the wire starts glowing in the dark, a
'sizzing'
sound will be heard
==> ozon as much as you like

Beware, ozon is rather agressive !!

 

[John Fields]

On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 11:12:34 +1100, "Bill Bailley" <JustMe@Home>
wrote:

The "Libro" is also suggested as a new quantitive unit.
This would represent the completion and publishing of one book.

The subdivision of the base unit would enable authors to respond in a
meaningful manner when queried about progress.

Bill.



Edit.
Mangled by spell checker, the slightly exotic "Librox" was turned into the
second word I ever learned in Spanish.

---
Libra?
Libre?
Libro?

Cual era la primera?

--
John Fields

 

[peterken]

"KILOWATT" <kilowatt"nospam"@softhome.net> wrote in message
news:fW7Qd.6514$4I5.268311@news20.bellglobal.com...
Polarity needs to alternate. I've found that DC voltage is not very
efficient, as the one coming from flyback xformers. However i think that a
flyback can still be used if it doesn't include the HV diode.

--
Alain(alias:Kilowatt)
Montréal Québec
PS: 1000 excuses for errors or omissions,
i'm a "pure" french canadian!
Come to visit me at: http://kilowatt.camarades.com
(If replying also by e-mail, remove
"no spam" from the adress.)

Correct, a real ac also doesn't 'foul up' the electrodes as much as dc does
Nevertheless, a positive dc on the wire is most stable but less efficient as
a negative dc
The ac combines both with the added advantage of cleanness

One *might* also use a flyback xformer (without built-in cascade) at it's
oscillation point, thus needing less input voltage and creating a nice sine
wave output
(actually did it more as once, during design of transfert electrodes in a
electrostatic printer)