Chip with simple program for Toy

On Thu, 26 Feb 2009 19:33:09 GMT, Rich Grise <rich@example.net> wrote:

On Wed, 25 Feb 2009 21:32:33 -0500, Spehro Pefhany wrote:
On Thu, 26 Feb 2009 01:08:45 GMT, the renowned James Arthur
Rich Grise wrote:
On Tue, 24 Feb 2009 18:58:40 +0000, James Arthur wrote:
...
He's not perfect--he programs in uppercase. Otherwise, yep,
pretty much.

Assembly has ALWAYS been written in upper case! Well, sometimes you
can comment in lower case for readability, but lower case code is
kinda airy-fairy. ;-)

Yeah, but he comments in uppercase too. Brute.

lower case is more readable because the letters are not all boxy-like-
they have some bits wot go above the base line and some wot go above
the others. The envelope of the word can be enough to allow it to be
recognized.

When I was a whippersnapper and computers were still made with stone
axes and animal skins, all we HAD was upper case! ;-)

Cheers!
Rich
Luxury. When I were a part-time late-night Telex operator we had to
use paper tape and send at something like 110 baud. And we liked it.
 
On Thu, 26 Feb 2009 11:19:36 -0800, John Larkin
<jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:

On Thu, 26 Feb 2009 12:07:16 -0600, Vladimir Vassilevsky
antispam_bogus@hotmail.com> wrote:



John Larkin wrote:

On Thu, 26 Feb 2009 10:20:27 -0700, Jim Thompson
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On Thu, 26 Feb 2009 11:19:25 -0600, Vladimir Vassilevsky
antispam_bogus@hotmail.com> wrote:



John Larkin wrote:


On Thu, 26 Feb 2009 09:55:13 -0600, Vladimir Vassilevsky
antispam_bogus@hotmail.com> wrote:


John Larkin wrote:


I'm currently advertising (Craigslist) for an embedded-systems
programmer. The ad asks for "something like a resume" and a code
sample. Got lots of florid resumes, but only a few people (out of
close to 100) actually submitted code samples, and only one was a
decent, readable hunk of code. Pitiful. Would you hire an artist who
refuses to show you any of his work?

Have you listed the salary as well?

No. It would vary a lot, depending on the person.

Not a lot. You already made up the number in your head, and you know
exactly the type of the person that you need.


If I hire a talented
kid with little experience, and spend a lot of time on speculative
training, I'd pay less than for someone that I knew was going to be
very productive right away. I know a few people like that, but they're
not available for hire right now. Hell, I'd give them a piece of the
company.

Quit telling stories and playing games. Each thing in this world has the
price.


Would the decent engineer work for this salary?

A good embedded systems programmer would make as much as a good
engineer. Both should contribute about equal value. If a programmer
working one hour saves me or another design engineer one hour (I
wish!) then s/he'd be pretty valuable.



Would you bother for someone who refuses to show the money or who wants
something for nothing?


What are you raving about?

You are complaining that your ad is attracting only riff-raff. I am just
trying to explain why.


We have excellent pay and benefits, as the
ad notes.

That tells no information.


Nobody here works for nothing. Most hiring involves
evaluation and negotiation on both sides.

And, incidentally, about 100 people did bother. Maybe 4 or 5 are worth
interviewing.

Such a poor result is not because the world is pitiful, but because this
is the expected response to your request.



Vladimir Vassilevsky

DSP and Mixed Signal Design Consultant

http://www.abvolt.com




Sheeeesh! What a fuck-head! I take it you weren't qualified to apply
?:)

...Jim Thompson



Good point. He knows I'd never hire him. Far too rigid and far too
willing to reach firm conclusions on inadequate evidence. Dangerous.

Fie, loosing the face again. I take the ad hominem attack as a scored
point :) The argument got straight to the target, wasn't it?

VLV



Any time you want to start making sense, we're ready to listen.

John
Let it die John, Vlad is that worst-of-all-possible combinations, a
Russian hydramatic okie ;-)

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On Thu, 26 Feb 2009 19:33:09 GMT, Rich Grise <rich@example.net> wrote:

On Wed, 25 Feb 2009 21:32:33 -0500, Spehro Pefhany wrote:
On Thu, 26 Feb 2009 01:08:45 GMT, the renowned James Arthur
Rich Grise wrote:
On Tue, 24 Feb 2009 18:58:40 +0000, James Arthur wrote:
...
He's not perfect--he programs in uppercase. Otherwise, yep,
pretty much.

Assembly has ALWAYS been written in upper case! Well, sometimes you
can comment in lower case for readability, but lower case code is
kinda airy-fairy. ;-)

Yeah, but he comments in uppercase too. Brute.

lower case is more readable because the letters are not all boxy-like-
they have some bits wot go above the base line and some wot go above
the others. The envelope of the word can be enough to allow it to be
recognized.

When I was a whippersnapper and computers were still made with stone
axes and animal skins, all we HAD was upper case! ;-)

Cheers!
Rich

Luxury. When I were a part-time late-night Telex operator we had to
use paper tape and send at something like 110 baud. And we liked it.
Wasn't it fun toggling in your bootstrap loader from the front panel
switches?
(....and we LIKED it that way!!!!!)
 
Spehro Pefhany wrote:
On Thu, 26 Feb 2009 19:33:09 GMT, Rich Grise <rich@example.net> wrote:

When I was a whippersnapper and computers were still made with stone
axes and animal skins, all we HAD was upper case! ;-)

Cheers!
Rich

Luxury. When I were a part-time late-night Telex operator we had to
use paper tape and send at something like 110 baud. And we liked it.
Paper tape? Luxury. Ahh, when I were a lad how how we dreamed of
'avin' paper tape. Why, we 'ad to put our bits in buckets an'
carry 'em up from a dank, dark dungeon, two flights of stairs each,
one by one. We strapped 'em onto donkeys an' sent 'em cross-country
by mule train.

Aye, those were the days.

James Arthur
 
On Thu, 26 Feb 2009 20:07:25 GMT, James Arthur
<bogusabdsqy@verizon.net> wrote:

Spehro Pefhany wrote:
On Thu, 26 Feb 2009 19:33:09 GMT, Rich Grise <rich@example.net> wrote:

When I was a whippersnapper and computers were still made with stone
axes and animal skins, all we HAD was upper case! ;-)

Cheers!
Rich

Luxury. When I were a part-time late-night Telex operator we had to
use paper tape and send at something like 110 baud. And we liked it.


Paper tape? Luxury. Ahh, when I were a lad how how we dreamed of
'avin' paper tape. Why, we 'ad to put our bits in buckets an'
carry 'em up from a dank, dark dungeon, two flights of stairs each,
one by one. We strapped 'em onto donkeys an' sent 'em cross-country
by mule train.

Aye, those were the days.

James Arthur
And "U's" were chiseled as "V" ;-)

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Didn't you VOTE for Obama? Why are you surprised you GOT Hitler?
 
James Arthur wrote:
Spehro Pefhany wrote:
On Thu, 26 Feb 2009 19:33:09 GMT, Rich Grise <rich@example.net> wrote:

When I was a whippersnapper and computers were still made with stone
axes and animal skins, all we HAD was upper case! ;-)

Cheers!
Rich

Luxury. When I were a part-time late-night Telex operator we had to
use paper tape and send at something like 110 baud. And we liked it.


Paper tape? Luxury. Ahh, when I were a lad how how we dreamed of
'avin' paper tape. Why, we 'ad to put our bits in buckets an'
carry 'em up from a dank, dark dungeon, two flights of stairs each,
one by one. We strapped 'em onto donkeys an' sent 'em cross-country
by mule train.

Aye, those were the days.

James Arthur
Feh! You 'ad it soft. When I were young, first thing we 'ad to
do was assemble the computer on the patch panel. And none of your
sissy digital stuff neither! Analog it were! Programmed it wire
by wire, one differential equation at a time! Oh, and the wires
were kept in a locked cupboard, two floors away, and uphill both
ways!
 
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On Thu, 26 Feb 2009 20:07:25 GMT, James Arthur
bogusabdsqy@verizon.net> wrote:

Spehro Pefhany wrote:
On Thu, 26 Feb 2009 19:33:09 GMT, Rich Grise <rich@example.net> wrote:

When I was a whippersnapper and computers were still made with stone
axes and animal skins, all we HAD was upper case! ;-)

Cheers!
Rich

Luxury. When I were a part-time late-night Telex operator we had to
use paper tape and send at something like 110 baud. And we liked it.


Paper tape? Luxury. Ahh, when I were a lad how how we dreamed of
'avin' paper tape. Why, we 'ad to put our bits in buckets an'
carry 'em up from a dank, dark dungeon, two flights of stairs each,
one by one. We strapped 'em onto donkeys an' sent 'em cross-country
by mule train.

Aye, those were the days.

James Arthur

And "U's" were chiseled as "V" ;-)
And you were really from UUest Uirginia.
 
On Thu, 26 Feb 2009 14:37:02 -0600, krw <krw@att.zzzzzzzzz> wrote:

In article <2vtdq49kctbm91nk186jlgtl9vo6pbe3bg@4ax.com>, To-Email-
Use-The-Envelope-Icon@My-Web-Site.com says...
On Thu, 26 Feb 2009 20:07:25 GMT, James Arthur
bogusabdsqy@verizon.net> wrote:

Spehro Pefhany wrote:
On Thu, 26 Feb 2009 19:33:09 GMT, Rich Grise <rich@example.net> wrote:

When I was a whippersnapper and computers were still made with stone
axes and animal skins, all we HAD was upper case! ;-)

Cheers!
Rich

Luxury. When I were a part-time late-night Telex operator we had to
use paper tape and send at something like 110 baud. And we liked it.


Paper tape? Luxury. Ahh, when I were a lad how how we dreamed of
'avin' paper tape. Why, we 'ad to put our bits in buckets an'
carry 'em up from a dank, dark dungeon, two flights of stairs each,
one by one. We strapped 'em onto donkeys an' sent 'em cross-country
by mule train.

Aye, those were the days.

James Arthur

And "U's" were chiseled as "V" ;-)

And you were really from UUest Uirginia.
Yup! UUest by Gawwwwd ;-)

...Jim Thompson
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The stock market is down again. Was it something HE said ?:)
 
On Thu, 26 Feb 2009 19:22:59 GMT, Rich Grise <rich@example.net> wrote:

On Thu, 26 Feb 2009 08:45:47 -0800, John Larkin wrote:
On Thu, 26 Feb 2009 10:32:55 -0600, John Fields
---
But... something esle was running around in my head and here it is:
a _much, much_ better way to do it, Duh...

Or just...


+V>-----------+--------+-----+----+--------+
| |
[1M] [COIL]
| |
| e
____ | / -----b pnp darlington or
O O---+------------------/ c low threshold pfet
| | |
| [68ľF] |
| | |
GND>---+------+--------+-----+-------------+


Now do it with a NC (normally closed) switch. ;-)

Cheers!
Rich
On a quick read, the original polarity descriptions were a bit
confusing. To flip the polarity takes a couple more parts.

+V>-----------+--------+-----+----+--------+
| |
[10k] [COIL]
| |
| d
____ | diode |
O O---+----ak--+-----+----------g-| nfet
|>>> | | | |
| 100uF ~1M s
| | | |
GND>---+---------------+-----+-------------+


John
 
On Thu, 26 Feb 2009 19:28:44 GMT, Rich Grise <rich@example.net> wrote:

On Thu, 26 Feb 2009 17:13:40 +0000, James Arthur wrote:
...
Maybe I misunderstood,

Nope.

but wasn't the goal to engage a
relay when a switch opens, then release the relay a minute
or two or three after the switch re-closes?

Yup:
"The goal is to turn on a 12v relay with a switch that is closed when off
and open when on."

O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay! Both Johns have scresed one up today!
;-D
The original description wasn't a model of clarity.

But if you keep score and rejoice in mistakes, enjoy.

John
 
On Thu, 26 Feb 2009 19:37:00 GMT, Rich Grise <rich@example.net> wrote:

On Thu, 26 Feb 2009 06:33:21 +0000, James Arthur wrote:
...
.SBTTL IRQ6 SERVICE

; The HITLOCK mechanism enforces a minimum irq-to-irq delay so
^^^^^^^^^^

IRQ-to-IRQ. There is no "irq". ;-)

Cheers!
Rich
Yet another hazard of lowercase. Entire hardware subsystems disappear.

John
 
Rich Grise wrote:
On Thu, 26 Feb 2009 06:33:21 +0000, James Arthur wrote:
...
.SBTTL IRQ6 SERVICE

; The HITLOCK mechanism enforces a minimum irq-to-irq delay so
^^^^^^^^^^

IRQ-to-IRQ. There is no "irq". ;-)

Cheers!
Rich
Translating the original I paused at that line and pondered
nearly a full second, flipping it back and forth. It could
go either way.

IRQ_EN, IRQ1, or IRQ_HANDLER would certainly get capitals,
being actual hardware or software elements.

'irq' used as an abbreviation? Didn't seem important enough.
Could be, though, I confess.

Ain't my code, so I'm not the judge and jury. And I'm not
that fussy--I just use UPPERCASING as an aid to readability
and understanding, it's not a law.

Cheers,
James Arthur
 
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bogusabdsqy@verizon.net says...>
Rich Grise wrote:
On Thu, 26 Feb 2009 06:33:21 +0000, James Arthur wrote:
...
.SBTTL IRQ6 SERVICE

; The HITLOCK mechanism enforces a minimum irq-to-irq delay so
^^^^^^^^^^

IRQ-to-IRQ. There is no "irq". ;-)

Cheers!
Rich


Translating the original I paused at that line and pondered
nearly a full second, flipping it back and forth. It could
go either way.

IRQ_EN, IRQ1, or IRQ_HANDLER would certainly get capitals,
being actual hardware or software elements.
I wouldn't. To aid readability they'd be IRQ_En, IRQ1,
IRQ_Handler, or even InterruptHandler on my schematics, VHDL, and
embedded code. The PITA I'm fighting now is '+' and '-'.

'irq' used as an abbreviation? Didn't seem important enough.
Could be, though, I confess.

Ain't my code, so I'm not the judge and jury. And I'm not
that fussy--I just use UPPERCASING as an aid to readability
and understanding, it's not a law.
I use BiCapitalization to separate words and *generally* the
underscore to offset a base function or hierarchical block, though
I also use the underscore to separate abbreviations.
 
"James Arthur" <bogusabdsqy@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:CjCpl.1746$Ez6.582@nwrddc02.gnilink.net...
I posted a couple circuits. Here's the fewest parts I
can manage:


+12v
-+-
|
.-----------------------+
| |
[R1] |
| D1 | |> /
+---|>|------. [relay] | /
| | | O O
| | |
+-----[R2]---+-----. |--'
| | | |<-. Q1
O C1 --- | |--+
\ --- |
\ | ===
O === GND
| GND
===
GND

If R2 = 1000 x R1, and the hold-ON is 3 minutes,
the turn-on time is <180mS.

James Arthur
There are many variations of this delay circuit. For someone testing this
R1=10k
R2=100k
C=100 uF
Should give around 10 second delay. Increase R2 for longer times.
Also, I'd add a 10 volt zener to the Gate of the MOSFET. This makes the
timing easier to modify and allows adapting the circuit for higher supply
voltages by protecting the gate.
 
On Thu, 26 Feb 2009 13:35:10 -0600, John Fields
<jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote:

On Thu, 26 Feb 2009 08:45:47 -0800, John Larkin
jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:

On Thu, 26 Feb 2009 10:32:55 -0600, John Fields
jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote:

On Thu, 26 Feb 2009 09:14:12 -0600, John Fields
jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote:


---
But... something esle was running around in my head and here it is:
a _much, much_ better way to do it, Duh...



Or just...


+V>-----------+--------+-----+----+--------+
| |
[1M] [COIL]
| |
| e
____ | / -----b pnp darlington or
O O---+------------------/ c low threshold pfet
| | |
| [68ľF] |
| | |
GND>---+------+--------+-----+-------------+

---
Huh???

RTFM

JF
Keep working on your 555 thing. If you add enough parts, you may
eventually get it right.

John
 
On Thu, 26 Feb 2009 12:48:34 -0800, John Larkin
<jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:


+V>-----------+--------+-----+----+--------+
| |
[10k] [COIL]
| |
| d
____ | diode |
O O---+----ak--+-----+----------g-| nfet
|>>> | | | |
| 100uF ~1M s
| | | |
GND>---+---------------+-----+-------------+
Cute. :)

Wimpy contact release and consistency, though.

JF
 
On Thu, 26 Feb 2009 15:51:15 -0800, John Larkin
<jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:

On Thu, 26 Feb 2009 13:35:10 -0600, John Fields
jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote:

On Thu, 26 Feb 2009 08:45:47 -0800, John Larkin
jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:

On Thu, 26 Feb 2009 10:32:55 -0600, John Fields
jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote:

On Thu, 26 Feb 2009 09:14:12 -0600, John Fields
jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote:


---
But... something esle was running around in my head and here it is:
a _much, much_ better way to do it, Duh...



Or just...


+V>-----------+--------+-----+----+--------+
| |
[1M] [COIL]
| |
| e
____ | / -----b pnp darlington or
O O---+------------------/ c low threshold pfet
| | |
| [68ľF] |
| | |
GND>---+------+--------+-----+-------------+

---
Huh???

RTFM

JF

Keep working on your 555 thing. If you add enough parts, you may
eventually get it right.

John
John L, Methinks you need to revisit the original SOW, before
throwing stones...

"I'm ok with fixing and adapting circuits but not so good with design.
I've come up with an electronic switch circuit but I think it could
use improvement. The goal is to turn on a 12v relay with a switch
that is closed when off and open when on. The switch also has to have
one leg grounded. It's a pressure switch with a single terminal. I
also want the relay to stay closed (on) for a couple minutes when the
switch goes from on (open) to off (closed). Here's what I've got now
and it does work. But I had to use a pretty big capacitor and I'm
still only getting about a minute of delay when going to the off
state. Because I can't make the 10k resistor any bigger. I'm
thinking that it is likely possible to get a longer delay and do it
with a smaller capacitor if I was better at designing this. The other
flaw is that this slowly lowers the voltage to the relay until it
drops. The relay stays pulled to about 3 to 4 volts. I also suspect
there is a better way to keep it fully on until the rc timer expires.
Thanks in advance for any suggestions :)"


...Jim Thompson
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It's what you learn, after you know it all, that counts.
 
On Thu, 26 Feb 2009 18:08:03 -0600, John Fields
<jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote:

On Thu, 26 Feb 2009 12:48:34 -0800, John Larkin
jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:


+V>-----------+--------+-----+----+--------+
| |
[10k] [COIL]
| |
| d
____ | diode |
O O---+----ak--+-----+----------g-| nfet
|>>> | | | |
| 100uF ~1M s
| | | |
GND>---+---------------+-----+-------------+

Cute. :)

Wimpy contact release and consistency, though.

JF
Probably good enough for lots of apps. Turnoff is slow enough that it
doesn't need a flyback diode.

It can be flipped into a follower, too...

+V>-----------+--------+-----+----+--------+
| |
[10k] |
| |
| c
____ | diode | npn
O O---+----ak--+-----+----------b-| darl
|>>> | | | |e
| 100uF ~1M coil
| | | |
GND>---+---------------+-----+-------------+

in which case the relay dropout voltage contributes to the time delay.

John
 
On Thu, 26 Feb 2009 17:11:26 -0700, Jim Thompson
<To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@My-Web-Site.com> wrote:

On Thu, 26 Feb 2009 15:51:15 -0800, John Larkin
jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:

On Thu, 26 Feb 2009 13:35:10 -0600, John Fields
jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote:

On Thu, 26 Feb 2009 08:45:47 -0800, John Larkin
jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:

On Thu, 26 Feb 2009 10:32:55 -0600, John Fields
jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote:

On Thu, 26 Feb 2009 09:14:12 -0600, John Fields
jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote:


---
But... something esle was running around in my head and here it is:
a _much, much_ better way to do it, Duh...



Or just...


+V>-----------+--------+-----+----+--------+
| |
[1M] [COIL]
| |
| e
____ | / -----b pnp darlington or
O O---+------------------/ c low threshold pfet
| | |
| [68ľF] |
| | |
GND>---+------+--------+-----+-------------+

---
Huh???

RTFM

JF

Keep working on your 555 thing. If you add enough parts, you may
eventually get it right.

John

John L, Methinks you need to revisit the original SOW, before
throwing stones...

"I'm ok with fixing and adapting circuits but not so good with design.
I've come up with an electronic switch circuit but I think it could
use improvement. The goal is to turn on a 12v relay with a switch
that is closed when off and open when on. The switch also has to have
one leg grounded. It's a pressure switch with a single terminal. I
also want the relay to stay closed (on) for a couple minutes when the
switch goes from on (open) to off (closed). Here's what I've got now
and it does work. But I had to use a pretty big capacitor and I'm
still only getting about a minute of delay when going to the off
state. Because I can't make the 10k resistor any bigger. I'm
thinking that it is likely possible to get a longer delay and do it
with a smaller capacitor if I was better at designing this. The other
flaw is that this slowly lowers the voltage to the relay until it
drops. The relay stays pulled to about 3 to 4 volts. I also suspect
there is a better way to keep it fully on until the rc timer expires.
Thanks in advance for any suggestions :)"


...Jim Thompson

I'm sure you and Rich will post some great circuits and show us how
wrong we are.

John
 
On Thu, 26 Feb 2009 16:22:01 -0800, John Larkin
<jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:

On Thu, 26 Feb 2009 17:11:26 -0700, Jim Thompson
To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@My-Web-Site.com> wrote:

On Thu, 26 Feb 2009 15:51:15 -0800, John Larkin
jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:

On Thu, 26 Feb 2009 13:35:10 -0600, John Fields
jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote:

On Thu, 26 Feb 2009 08:45:47 -0800, John Larkin
jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:

On Thu, 26 Feb 2009 10:32:55 -0600, John Fields
jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote:

On Thu, 26 Feb 2009 09:14:12 -0600, John Fields
jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote:


---
But... something esle was running around in my head and here it is:
a _much, much_ better way to do it, Duh...



Or just...


+V>-----------+--------+-----+----+--------+
| |
[1M] [COIL]
| |
| e
____ | / -----b pnp darlington or
O O---+------------------/ c low threshold pfet
| | |
| [68ľF] |
| | |
GND>---+------+--------+-----+-------------+

---
Huh???

RTFM

JF

Keep working on your 555 thing. If you add enough parts, you may
eventually get it right.

John

John L, Methinks you need to revisit the original SOW, before
throwing stones...

"I'm ok with fixing and adapting circuits but not so good with design.
I've come up with an electronic switch circuit but I think it could
use improvement. The goal is to turn on a 12v relay with a switch
that is closed when off and open when on. The switch also has to have
one leg grounded. It's a pressure switch with a single terminal. I
also want the relay to stay closed (on) for a couple minutes when the
switch goes from on (open) to off (closed). Here's what I've got now
and it does work. But I had to use a pretty big capacitor and I'm
still only getting about a minute of delay when going to the off
state. Because I can't make the 10k resistor any bigger. I'm
thinking that it is likely possible to get a longer delay and do it
with a smaller capacitor if I was better at designing this. The other
flaw is that this slowly lowers the voltage to the relay until it
drops. The relay stays pulled to about 3 to 4 volts. I also suspect
there is a better way to keep it fully on until the rc timer expires.
Thanks in advance for any suggestions :)"


...Jim Thompson


I'm sure you and Rich will post some great circuits and show us how
wrong we are.

John
You threw stones at John F, then posted a very soft transition
solution... did you not?

Did you bang your head badly during that skiing spill ?:)

...Jim Thompson
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