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[Rod Speed]

Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote

Rod Speed wrote
Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Eeyore wrote

So where do the commuters park then ?

Wherever they choose to build another multistory carpark.
Not a shred of rocket science whatever required.

You obviously know nothing about how heavily 'built up'
Britain and many other European countries are.

Wrong, as always.

So where do you live ? Fantasy land ?

Never ever could bullshit its way out of a wet paper bag.

Here's my local station on one of the busiest commuter lines into
London. Right in the middle. It's electrified from Bedford to Brighton
and also carries express trains from the Midlands to St Pancras
where they can directly board the Eurostar to France and Belgium.
http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&ll=51.750534,-0.326865&spn=0.004955,0.009613&t=k&z=17

Irrelevant to the FACT that even that arsehole of the real
world might just have carparks that arent actually ex rail yards.

Where are you going to put the yard

Outside that arsehole of the world, stupid.

(not that it would be very suitable in the centre of a Victorian era part of the city with narrow roads).

Which might just be why only a fool would actually put a rail yard there.

 

[Don Klipstein]

In article <6i3ohlFophkaU1@mid.individual.net>, Phil Allison wrote:

"Don Klipstein the IMBECILE "

Phil Allison wrote:

You also dredged up something from 2004 - but then again,
** Huh ????????
Philips " Tornado " CFLs are on sale right now - asshole.
Where?
** The UK, Australia and all over Asia for sure.
Whether that same name in on USA product is TOTALLY IRRELEVANT

IMBECILE !!!!!!!!!!

Also, in ambient 18 C or warmer, my experience is that bare spirals
start a lot brighter than "one candle"!

** And which CFL was my remark about - asshole ??

One that appears to me

** Go read the damn thread & see what I was referring to.

I know bleeping well what you were referring to.

You pathetic ASSHOLE !!!!!!!!!!!!!

If you have never seen a problem -

THEN YOU HAVE NOTHING TO SAY ABOUT IT !!!!

What I have seen is great absence of the trouble that you claim and
notably cite incomplete data for on that style of CFL, even of Philips
brand!

You cited one cite of data that did not include percentage of full
light output at start and did not state what percentage of full light
output was achieved at 2 minutes - that could have vbeen 99%.

I do use Philips spirals and find complete lack of failure to have
been most-of-the-way warmed up within a minute.

- Don Klipstein (don@misty.com)

 

[Don Klipstein]

In article <6i3q67Foarq6U1@mid.individual.net>, Phil Allison wrote:

"Don Klipstein MORON "

Phil Allison wrote:

If you want brighter starting and faster warmups, then avoid the ones
with outer bulbs.

** You are SOOOOO full of shit !!

Some of the slowest lighting CFLs are made by Philips and use an exposed
spiral - eg

http://www.lamptech.co.uk/Spec%20Sheets/Philips%20CFL%20Tornado.htm

The "warm up" time is stated to be 2 minutes.

The initial light level is about 10%, it depends on room temp.

Exceptionally extreme dim-starting (according to figures I
consider unverified) and slow-warming (what percentage after 2
minutes? 90%? 99%) spiral that I have yet to see anywhere except
your citation.

** Do your own search on " Philips Tornado CFL " .

Why should I...

** Then you will know that they really exist.

I know they really exist, but I do not know from your link how dim they
start nor what percentage of full output (such as 99%) that they achieve
in 2 minutes.

Do you expect me to buy one and send it to you ?????

Shame it would be a 240 volt one if I did.

What makes you think that I can't tap off a 240V line for my living room
air conditioner? I have already done that to light lamps!

What makes you think that I lack a 120/240V transformer of 2-KVA rating?
I have one of those!

<SNIP so you say CFLs are slow>

While most are far from as slow as you said!

- Don Klipstein (don@misty.com)

 

[Rod Speed]

Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote

Rod Speed wrote
Eeyore wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Eeyore wrote

It would be easy to move containers by rail and then by local truck to say
supermarkets etc if the transport fuel costs make that worth doing tho.

It's been tried and found wanting.

Its been tried and continues to be done that way in quite a few countrys.

Large rail yards are too far spread for one thing for it to be practical

Have fun explaining how come they work fine in some places.

Name such a place.

Australia, America, Canada, China, India, Russia, Japan.

But not Europe.

Wrong, as always.

I must ask Mauried how many parcels go by rail in Oz.

We werent just talking about parcels, stupid.

They don't have many rail lines.

Thanks for that completely superfluous proof that you have
never ever had a fucking clue about anything at all, ever.

Its the land of the 'road train'.

Not for the vast bulk of bulk freight it aint.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Road_train

Even someone as stupid as you should have noticed
this bit in the first line, 'used in remote areas of Australia'

And even in those, Australia ALSO has by far the biggest freight TRAINS in the entire world.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Road_Train2.jpg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Road_Train_Australia.jpg

and slow freight trains hold up the profitable commuter and long-distance express trains.

They dont have to. The freight can be moved when
there isnt the commuter and express volume.

You mean only ever at night ?

Nope. The main volume overnight, with some of the freight moving
during the day when most of the long distance express train traffic
volume is lower etc. In spades with commuter trains which only use a
small fraction of the day.

You have some funny ideas.

Thats the way plenty of train systems work.

Those passenger trains only stop running for about 5 hours a day.

Doesnt have to be when they arent running.

And do that with parcels to the post office/courier office too.

They have their own parcels van service that transfers to big trucks at distribution centres.

And it may make sense to move that stuff using rail in
future when the cost of transport fuel is much higher.

Fuel costs affect diesel locos as much as trucks silly.

We were discussing ELECTRIFIED rail, stupid.

The UK rail freight franchise uses diesel engines because *at least*
half the track (probably a LOT more) it needs to run on isn't electrified.

Irrelevant to what the bulk of the freight can move over if that makes economic sense.

Remember, only very heavily used track is economical to electrify.

Wrong, as always.

Rest of absurd nonsense snipped.

Never ever could bullshit and lie its way out of a wet paper bag.

No surprise that it needs to cower behind that pathetic excuse for a nick.

 

[Rod Speed]

stan <smoore@exis.net> wrote

Rod Speed wrote
stan <smoore@exis.net> wrote

Sort of seems like a real lack of imagination and intelligence to be
unable to come up with other possibilities for not wanting to waste
time on off topic posts. To be that limited it must be difficult.

Life is short, consequently time is precious.

Mindlessly superficial.

Sorry I went over your head, I'd try to dumb it down

Never ever could bullshit its way out of a wet paper bag.

but it's better if you simply learn this on your own as a part
of life. Don't take my lack of interest in you personal, I just
think some things have to come through personal experience.

Never ever could bullshit its way out of a wet paper bag.

The immature and boorish behavior of trolls is an
unacceptable time sink that should be mostly avoided.

How odd that you waste your time so obviously.
You one of those hypocrites ?

I see you think about me and your curious.

Never ever could bullshit its way out of a wet paper bag.

I'm afraid I don't have the time to explain things, it seems
communication it's your strong point and usenet is limited in
that it really does require a minimum of communications skills.

Never ever could bullshit its way out of a wet paper bag.

I'll offer an observation. Those with the least to say are often
the loudest, most prolific, and most persistent. I can only
guess but I think they must be driven by a need for attention.

What are you driven by ?

Again your interest is appreciated but I cn't help you.

Never ever could bullshit its way out of a wet paper bag.

I'm truly glad most people grow out of that childhood phase.

What about yours ?

No vulgar, rude, juvenile atttacks? Not feeling well today?

Never ever could bullshit its way out of a wet paper bag.

 

[Rod Speed]

stan <smoore@exis.net> wrote

Rod Speed wrote
stan <smoore@exis.net> wrote

This is the first indication I've seen that you have
any awareness of appropriate behavior on usenet.

You dont get to rule on what is appropriate usenet behaviour. Ever.

I must admit surprise here; maybe we're making progress.

Never ever could bullshit its way out of a wet paper bag.

You seem to be fanning a flame here.

Never ever could bullshit its way out of a wet paper bag.

Are you acknowledging that there is appropriate and inappropriate behavior standards?

Nope.

Who do you think gets to determine the standaards?

Certainly aint you, you're just a pathetic excuse for a bullshit artist/hypocrite.

Are you saying that you are aware and understand that
different newsgroups exist to discuss different topic and
that crossposting is rude and unwanted?

That last is just your silly little drug crazed pig ignorant fantasy.

This is at best infantile nonsense.

Never ever could bullshit its way out of a wet paper bag.

If you insist on ad hominem attacks

You wouldnt know what a real ad hominem attack was if it bit you on your lard arse.

you might want to work on them a little. You have to do much better
than this when dealing with adults, if you want to be taken seriously.

Never ever could bullshit its way out of a wet paper bag.

Google could easily provide baseball style stats for each poster,

1. The number of OPs.
2. The number of OPs/response postings.
3. The number of responses/OP.
4. The average number of different posters/OP.
5. The above stats over time, a graph to show improvement.
Someone suggest the above to Google.

We could call it the troll index.

You wouldnt know what a real troll was if it bit you on your lard arse.

You might want to goggle for better insults, it really doesn't seem to be your strong point.

But it is yours eh ?

 

[Rod Speed]

stan <smoore@exis.net> wrote

Rod Speed wrote:
stan <smoore@exis.net> wrote

I think the easiest way to identify someone posing as
qualified is to check the number of crossposted groups.

More fool you.

How would you know?

You in spades.

The more groups the more confusion; the metric simply never fails.

Mindlessly silly.

I couldn't have proved the point any better.

Never ever could bullshit its way out of a wet paper bag.

 

[stan]

Rod Speed wrote:

stan <smoore@exis.net> wrote

<snip>

I bow to your expertise on insanity, I have no personal experience.

Obvious lie.

Obvious to whom?

<snip>

There have always been trolls.

Not in usenet.

Are you really that clueless or did you simply misread?

In fact one could argue they used to be better.

You wouldn't know what a real troll was if one bit you on your lard arse.

If you're having trouble I could help by pointing out some trolls.

They seem to be generally much more immature nowadays.

The ancient greeks used to sit around in their togas or
whatever they wore and mindless rabbit on the same way.

Its just senility rearing its head.

Once again I must thank you for proving the point in excellent form.

Usenet was born with the idea of newsgroups that were not
unlike private living rooms where people could spend time in
conversation about topics they considered interesting.

Thats nothing like how it was actually born.

I didn't see you around Duke, where you there? Never mind your behavior
speaks volumes about you understanding of usenet.

Unfortunately there are those who insist on barging in where
they aren't wanted and are certainly not considered interesting.

And plenty of fools like you that dont have a fucking clue about anything at all too.

It's the equivalent of finding the door unlocked and
walking into a living room and throwing up on the carpet.

Nothing like it. Much closer to wandering down the pub/bar and getting involved in discussions there.

Careful, someone might get you carded next time you show up. Have you
ever been in a bar with an advertised topic? Something like bar
sci.electronics.basics? Many people meet in homes to discuss pertinent
and interesting things. I would expect you to get this idea, you clearly
have never been involved in what I'm talking about here.

<snip>

Irrelevant to what was being discussed there.

You have clearly demonstrated that you haven't a clue about
what was or is being discussed in sci.electronics.basics.

Wrong, as always.

You seem to think that a simple proclamation from you actually means
anything. Has anyone ever listened to you?

Trolling does not a discussion make.

You wouldn't know what a real troll was if one bit you on your lard arse.

Your lack of imagination is showing again. Are your meds OK?

I guess you can't see any groups you don't disturb
so you will never see how well they can work.

Guess again. They do tend to get crossposted ocassionally.

I clearly referred to groups you don't disturb,

No such animal in that sense.

We agree then, there are no groups you don't disturb.

and by your demonstrated behavior you are clearly not capable of acting civilized.

Whereas your behaviour is absolutely impeccible, eh ?
Yeah, right.

Am I disturbing you?

On your level, any group you participate in is disturbed by your inappropriate and rude behavior.

Corse you never ever do anything like that yourself, eh ?

Any post you see was posted to a group you are disturbing.

Corse you never ever do anything like that yourself, eh ?

Again I don't understand why you ask, am I disturbing you that badly?

<snip>

Speaking of expected behavior, I think I detect another personal attack.

Not a shred of evidence that you are actually capable of thought.

From someone of your demonstrated intellect I'm not surprised you can't
detect any functioning intellect. Maybe if you stood on a chair
you could stop at least some things from going over your head.

You are clearly not the most clever person to attempt to insult me.

Your mindless silly shit in spades.

How clever.

 

[stan]

Rod Speed wrote:

stan <smoore@exis.net> wrote
Rod Speed wrote
stan <smoore@exis.net> wrote

This is the first indication I've seen that you have
any awareness of appropriate behavior on Usenet.

You dont get to rule on what is appropriate usenet behaviour. Ever.

I must admit surprise here; maybe we're making progress.

Never ever could bullshit its way out of a wet paper bag.

You seem to be fanning a flame here.

Never ever could bullshit its way out of a wet paper bag.

You seem to be fascinated with feces and wet bags. Bad experience?

Are you acknowledging that there is appropriate and inappropriate behavior standards?

Nope.

Who do you think gets to determine the standards?

Certainly aint you, you're just a pathetic excuse for a bullshit artist/hypocrite.

It's really OK, you don't have to be afraid. If you don't know the
answer just say so.

Are you saying that you are aware and understand that
different newsgroups exist to discuss different topic and
that crossposting is rude and unwanted?

That last is just your silly little drug crazed pig ignorant fantasy.

This is at best infantile nonsense.

Never ever could bullshit its way out of a wet paper bag.

If you insist on ad hominem attacks

You wouldnt know what a real ad hominem attack was if it bit you on your lard arse.

Did I use words that were too big? OK it means using a personal attack
to avoid or beg the question. I just reread that and some of those words
have multiple syllables so if it's still to hard just say so.

you might want to work on them a little. You have to do much better
than this when dealing with adults, if you want to be taken seriously.

Never ever could bullshit its way out of a wet paper bag.

Google could easily provide baseball style stats for each poster,

1. The number of OPs.
2. The number of OPs/response postings.
3. The number of responses/OP.
4. The average number of different posters/OP.
5. The above stats over time, a graph to show improvement.
Someone suggest the above to Google.

We could call it the troll index.

You wouldnt know what a real troll was if it bit you on your lard arse.

You might want to goggle for better insults, it really doesn't seem to be your strong point.

But it is yours eh ?

Let's see. One of us resorts to juvenile insults. I'm sure if you really
try you can figure out which one of us that might be but you could
always ask around school if you need help.

 

[stan]

Rod Speed wrote:

stan <smoore@exis.net> wrote
Rod Speed wrote
stan <smoore@exis.net> wrote
snip
Never ever could bullshit its way out of a wet paper bag.
snip
Never ever could bullshit its way out of a wet paper bag.
snip
Never ever could bullshit its way out of a wet paper bag.
snip
Never ever could bullshit its way out of a wet paper bag.
snip
Never ever could bullshit its way out of a wet paper bag.
snip
No vulgar, rude, juvenile atttacks? Not feeling well today?

Never ever could bullshit its way out of a wet paper bag.

You seem to be in a mental rut.

 

[stan]

Rod Speed wrote:

stan <smoore@exis.net> wrote
Rod Speed wrote:
stan <smoore@exis.net> wrote

I think the easiest way to identify someone posing as
qualified is to check the number of crossposted groups.

More fool you.

How would you know?

You in spades.

You seem to be having trouble keeping up. Do you want me to slow down>

The more groups the more confusion; the metric simply never fails.

Mindlessly silly.

I couldn't have proved the point any better.

Never ever could bullshit its way out of a wet paper bag.

If you need help googling for some slightly more mature insults I'm sure
someone at school can help you if there any that will still talk to you.

 

[Electronworks.co.uk]

what is the audio quality of the phone like?
If it is crackly, then water might have got into the phone line (they
sometimes use airtight pipes to run the cables inside). This will mess up
the caller id signal.

I cannot imagine it is anything to do with the electronics of the caller ID
chip. The front end of all phone circuits is quite high voltage with
transient suppression on it, so should be fairly robust.

As Chris suggested, either take a good phone to her house, or bring her
phone to your house...

Rgds

Bill
Electronworks.co.uk - electronic kits for education and fun


"Jamie" <jamie_ka1lpa_not_valid_after_ka1lpa_@charter.net> wrote in message
news:3eVuk.10023$3A4.9947@newsfe04.iad...

Mike S. wrote:
I am trying to help my grandmother with a phone problem. I'm not
entirely sure what's going on (she's very confusing) but some
(possibly all) of the Caller ID displays on her home telephones are
garbled to the point where they're unreadable. I think it happened
after a thunderstorm where the electric went out. The phones work fine
except for the displays. It's on both the cordless and corded phones.

Is it at all possible that the storm would damage only the displays on
the phones but yet the phones still work fine otherwise? I can't be
sure, but I think even the cordless extension sets that aren't even
connected to the phone line have the garbled display. That seems
really strange to me.

I think the displays on at least five phones are damaged.
That sounds more like a phone company service issue.

the CID service sounds like its not getting properly
translated from the service to your lines. Your phone
in effect is picking noise that is screwing up the
decoding or, the encoding of the CID signal is incorrect
which should be a phone company issue in both cases.



http://webpages.charter.net/jamie_5"

 

[Rod Speed]

Bret Cahill <BretCahill@aol.com> wrote:

Google already gives out posting activity of posters on news
groups, the total number of posts over a certain period of time.

This could be supplemented with other difficult to
compile but public stats and search information.

The number of OP posts as well as the number of OP/total posts ratio, for example.

The average number of responses and number of
different names received by a poster's OP posts.

The number of BE (branch endings) as well ast the BE/total posts.

A search box could be included to pull up all of a poster's OP posts,
and all the posts in a selected group to show the OP posts are on topic.

A search box could be included to pull up all a poster's BE posts to see
if the the branch ended because the poster won a debate or flamed out.

If a poster is flaming out in 95% of his posts then everyone will be
able to quickly see he has nothing to contribute to a tech discussion.

Harder to quantify

It's as easy to quantify OPs and BEs as total activity which Google does now.

Yes, but that alone is no use.

That's why a serch tool needs to be added:

I'd type in "Rod Speed" in the BE box and get all your posts that ended branchs.

Thats nothing like your original

From the OP of this thread:

"A search box could be included to pull up all a poster's BE posts to see if
the the branch ended because the poster won a debate or flamed out.

Just seeing the BE doesnt allow you to see if its a flame out,

Why wouldn't it?

Because you need to see what a flame is in response to.

you need the context to do that.

You can always look that up.

If you're going to do that, your 'search box' is completely useless.

And real discussion aint about 'won a debate' either.

<reams of your peurile attempt at a troll flushed where it belongs>

 

[Rod Speed]

stan <smoore@exis.net> wrote

Rod Speed wrote
stan <smoore@exis.net> wrote

I bow to your expertise on insanity, I have no personal experience.

Obvious lie.

Obvious to whom?

Obvious to everyone, liar.

There have always been trolls.

Not in usenet.

Are you really that clueless or did you simply misread?

Never ever could bullshit and lie its way out of a wet paper bag.

In fact one could argue they used to be better.

You wouldn't know what a real troll was if one bit you on your lard arse.

If you're having trouble I could help by pointing out some trolls.

Never ever could bullshit and lie its way out of a wet paper bag.

They seem to be generally much more immature nowadays.

The ancient greeks used to sit around in their togas or
whatever they wore and mindless rabbit on the same way.

Its just senility rearing its head.

Once again I must thank you for proving the point in excellent form.

Never ever could bullshit and lie its way out of a wet paper bag.

Usenet was born with the idea of newsgroups that were not
unlike private living rooms where people could spend time in
conversation about topics they considered interesting.

Thats nothing like how it was actually born.

I didn't see you around Duke,

Because you'd wanked yourself completely blind, liar.

where you there? Never mind your behavior speaks volumes about you understanding of usenet.

Never ever could bullshit and lie its way out of a wet paper bag.

Unfortunately there are those who insist on barging in where
they aren't wanted and are certainly not considered interesting.

And plenty of fools like you that dont have a fucking clue about anything at all too.

It's the equivalent of finding the door unlocked and
walking into a living room and throwing up on the carpet.

Nothing like it. Much closer to wandering down the pub/bar and getting involved in discussions there.

Careful, someone might get you carded next time you show up.

Never ever could bullshit and lie its way out of a wet paper bag.

Have you ever been in a living room with an advertised topic?
Something like bar sci.electronics.basics?

Have you ever been in a home with an advertised topic?
Something like bar sci.electronics.basics?

Many people meet in homes to discuss pertinent and interesting things.

Corse that never ever happens with a pub/bar, eh ?

I would expect you to get this idea, you clearly have
never been involved in what I'm talking about here.

Never ever could bullshit and lie its way out of a wet paper bag.

Irrelevant to what was being discussed there.

You have clearly demonstrated that you haven't a clue about
what was or is being discussed in sci.electronics.basics.

Wrong, as always.

You seem to think that a simple proclamation from you
actually means anything. Has anyone ever listened to you?

Never ever could bullshit and lie its way out of a wet paper bag.

Trolling does not a discussion make.

You wouldn't know what a real troll was if one bit you on your lard arse.

Your lack of imagination is showing again. Are your meds OK?

Wota stunningly original imagination you have there, wanker.

I guess you can't see any groups you don't disturb
so you will never see how well they can work.

Guess again. They do tend to get crossposted ocassionally.

I clearly referred to groups you don't disturb,

No such animal in that sense.

We agree then, there are no groups you don't disturb.

Never ever could bullshit and lie its way out of a wet paper bag.

and by your demonstrated behavior you are clearly not capable of acting civilized.

Whereas your behaviour is absolutely impeccible, eh ?
Yeah, right.

Am I disturbing you?

Nope. And that aint what was being discussed there anyway, you pathetic excuse for a lying bullshit artist.

On your level, any group you participate in is disturbed by your inappropriate and rude behavior.

Corse you never ever do anything like that yourself, eh ?

Any post you see was posted to a group you are disturbing.

Corse you never ever do anything like that yourself, eh ?

Again I don't understand why you ask,

SURE you dont, liar.

am I disturbing you that badly?

Nope. And that aint what was being discussed there anyway, you pathetic excuse for a lying bullshit artist.

Speaking of expected behavior, I think I detect another personal attack.

Not a shred of evidence that you are actually capable of thought.

From someone of your demonstrated intellect I'm not surprised you
can't detect any functioning intellect. Maybe if you stood on a chair
you could stop at least some things from going over your head.

Is that the best you can manage, wanker ?

You are clearly not the most clever person to attempt to insult me.

Your mindless silly shit in spades.

How clever.

How pathetic.

 

[Rod Speed]

Some gutless fuckwit desperately cowering behind
stan <smoore@exis.net> desperately attempted to bullshit its way
out of its predicament and fooled absolutely no one at all, as always.

 

[Rod Speed]

Some gutless fuckwit desperately cowering behind
stan <smoore@exis.net> desperately attempted to bullshit its way
out of its predicament and fooled absolutely no one at all, as always.

 

[Rod Speed]

Some gutless fuckwit desperately cowering behind
stan <smoore@exis.net> desperately attempted to bullshit its way
out of its predicament and fooled absolutely no one at all, as always.

 

[Phil Allison]

"Ross Herbert"

The main junction cables between exchanges are usually pressurised
(usually dry
air) to prevent water ingress when minor damage like pin holes in the
sheath
occur and to generate an alarm to bring the attention of the telco to the
fact
that the cable is leaking. Pressurising the cable does NOT have any
deleterious
effect on caller id or any other signals travelling along those cables.

Usually, if water ingress takes place on a subscriber pair it will produce
quite
loud 50Hz hum (60Hz in the US) and it may even permanently loop the line
if bad
enough.

** Due to all the AC supply frequency current flowing about the soil as a
result of the MEN system ?

It may also reduce the level and s/n ratio of dtmf signalling.

** Would the fact this signal arrives during the high voltage ringing cycle
make matters worse ?



...... Phil

 

[Rod Speed]

Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote

Rod Speed wrote
Eeyore wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Eeyore wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Bret Cahill wrote:

But the hybrid tractor, series or parallel, will prevail if
only because sooner or later trains will electrify and
a lot or most long haul trucking will disappear.

Electrifiying train lines is HORRIBLY expensive

It must have been cost effective at $10/barrel crude
because that was the situation in N. Europe decades ago.

Wrong, as always. Not much freight moves using rail in northern europe.

True. Even the Royal Mail (British Post Office) moved to trucks only a year or so ago.

But that may change if the cost of transport fuel gets a lot higher.

It won't here because so much of it is already tax,

Wrong again. If the price of crude is 10 times higher, the tax is irrelevant.

It would probably just over double the price here.

Easy to claim. Hell of a lot harder to actually substantiate that claim.

that the impact of the raw material price is much lower than in the US.

You may HAVE to go that way too to avoid 7 litre gas guzzlers.

Wrong again, you can just ban them if you want to.

I wonder which is more acceptable to the US psyche.

Clearly banning works in CA.

 

[Rod Speed]

Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote

Rod Speed wrote
Eeyore wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Eeyore wrote
Bret Cahill wrote

But the hybrid tractor, series or parallel, will prevail
if only because sooner or later trains will electrify
and a lot or most long haul trucking will disappear.

Electrifiying train lines is HORRIBLY expensive

It must have been cost effective at $10/barrel crude
because that was the situation in N. Europe decades ago.

Land and (relatively) labour was cheap then too. That's how France
laid the majority of the TGV system without it costing a fortune.

The cost of the sort of land that that uses mostly hasnt increased all that much.

It has in France.

No it hasnt.

As has the labour.

Wrong again. They can use cheap foreign labor if they choose to.

Haha ! Do you know ANYTHING about French Trades Unions ! LMAO.

I know that France has a MUCH higher percentage of foreigners than most other western european countrys.

SNCF did it at just the right time.

Wrong, as always.

Cite for all please !

YOU made that claim.

YOU get to do the cite.

THATS how it works.