Cheap Peltier air conditioner?

[Paul R. Mays]

Now this is what I like to see... Nice , close
personal relationships....


"DarkMatter" <DarkMatter@thebarattheendoftheuniverse.org> wrote in message
news0onlvooev451dg3o0mo8rutoh3cmif7kg@4ax.com...

On Mon, 8 Sep 2003 05:07:04 +1000, "Rod Speed" <rod_speed@yahoo.com
Gave us:

Yep, you're full of that.

You are so full of shit, your eyes are brown, and there is a stench
emanating from your ears.

Very appropriate indeed considering
that pathetic excuse for a nick you desperately cower behind


Look, retard boy... usenet is an anonymous place. Specifically to
remain AWAY from retarded twits like you.

I cower behind nothing, desperately or otherwise.

I do know how to properly post in usenet, however, unlike your lame,
wussified ass.

 

[Rod Speed]

Some clown desperately cowering behind the entirely appropriate
DarkBrownMatter <DarkBorwnMatter@thebarattheendoftheuniverse.org>
wrote in message news0onlvooev451dg3o0mo8rutoh3cmif7kg@4ax.com...
just the puerile shit any 3 year old could leave for dead.

 

[Another Wise Guy - Macon,]

rod_speed@yahoo.com says...

But cant manage to comprehend that I never ever said anything
about a peltier based airconditioner not being possible. I just
pointed out that someone offering 'to make a prototype' proves
sweet fuck all about the viability of what is prototyped.

Then you should have said that. The bare mention of a perpetual
motion machine juxtaposed with a peltier air conditioner and a
comment about being ignorant obout physics gave the impression
that you considered them to be of the same class.

Reams of your pathetic attempts to bullshit your way
out of your predicament flushed where they belong.

Don't blame me for your inability to express yourself clearly on
the first try. Perhaps if you spent more time on writing clearly
and less time on pitiful attempts at insults this would be less
of a problem for you.

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[Rod Speed]

Another Wise Guy - Macon, GA USA <another.wise.guy@macon.georgia.usa>
wrote in message newsCV6b.4097$h5.1926@fe01.atl2.webusenet.com...

Rod Speed rod_speed@yahoo.com wrote
Another Wise Guy - Macon, GA USA <another.wise.guy@macon.georgia.usa> wrote
Rod Speed rod_speed@yahoo.com wrote
Another Wise Guy - Macon, GA USA another.wise.guy@macon.georgia.usa wrote
Rod Speed rod_speed@yahoo.com wrote
Gregory Toomey <NOSPAM@bigpond.com> wrote
Trevor Wilson <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote

I don't think so. It has been explained to Mr Toomey the reasons why
Peltier devices are completely unsuited to air conditioning, yet he keeps
asking the same questions, in different ways. It can be very frustrating.

With somebody offering to make a prototype ...

Who also doesnt have a clue about the basic physics either.

Or is a scammer happy to pump a sucker's pockets.

Plenty make 'prototypes' of perpetual motion machines all the time.

Now now...

Nobody who knows the physics involved says that
you can't make a prototype peltier air conditioner.

No one ever said you cant. Whether it makes
any sense at all 'to make a prototype' tho...

Anyone with a clue about the basic physics would realise that its
never gunna be a viable product, just because of the running cost.

Don't confuse the impossible with the stupid.

You're the pathetically confused, stupid.

I can tell the difference between a perpetual motion machine
(impossible) and a peltier air conditioner (possible but stupid),

But cant manage to comprehend that I never ever said anything
about a peltier based airconditioner not being possible. I just
pointed out that someone offering 'to make a prototype' proves
sweet fuck all about the viability of what is prototyped.

Then you should have said that.

Wrong. As always. If everything was always analy worded so some
fool like you wouldnt jump to completely erroneous conclusions when
reading it, posts would be FAR too boring to be worth reading.

The bare mention of a perpetual motion machine
juxtaposed with a peltier air conditioner and a comment
about being ignorant obout physics gave the impression
that you considered them to be of the same class.

Only fools stupid enough to jump to completely unwarranted 'conclusions'

Reams of your pathetic attempts to bullshit your way
out of your predicament flushed where they belong.

 

[Paul R. Mays]

"Rod Speed" <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:bjipq7$jengk$1@ID-69072.news.uni-berlin.de...

Another Wise Guy - Macon, GA USA <another.wise.guy@macon.georgia.usa
wrote in message newsCV6b.4097$h5.1926@fe01.atl2.webusenet.com...
Rod Speed rod_speed@yahoo.com wrote
Another Wise Guy - Macon, GA USA <another.wise.guy@macon.georgia.usa
wrote
Rod Speed rod_speed@yahoo.com wrote
Another Wise Guy - Macon, GA USA another.wise.guy@macon.georgia.usa
wrote
Rod Speed rod_speed@yahoo.com wrote
Gregory Toomey <NOSPAM@bigpond.com> wrote
Trevor Wilson <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote

I don't think so. It has been explained to Mr Toomey the reasons
why
Peltier devices are completely unsuited to air conditioning, yet
he keeps
asking the same questions, in different ways. It can be very
frustrating.

With somebody offering to make a prototype ...

Who also doesnt have a clue about the basic physics either.

Or is a scammer happy to pump a sucker's pockets.

Plenty make 'prototypes' of perpetual motion machines all the time.

Now now...

Nobody who knows the physics involved says that
you can't make a prototype peltier air conditioner.

No one ever said you cant. Whether it makes
any sense at all 'to make a prototype' tho...

Anyone with a clue about the basic physics would realise that its
never gunna be a viable product, just because of the running cost.

Don't confuse the impossible with the stupid.

You're the pathetically confused, stupid.

I can tell the difference between a perpetual motion machine
(impossible) and a peltier air conditioner (possible but stupid),

But cant manage to comprehend that I never ever said anything
about a peltier based airconditioner not being possible. I just
pointed out that someone offering 'to make a prototype' proves
sweet fuck all about the viability of what is prototyped.

Then you should have said that.

Wrong. As always. If everything was always analy worded so some
fool like you wouldnt jump to completely erroneous conclusions when
reading it, posts would be FAR too boring to be worth reading.

The bare mention of a perpetual motion machine
juxtaposed with a peltier air conditioner and a comment
about being ignorant obout physics gave the impression
that you considered them to be of the same class.

Only fools stupid enough to jump to completely unwarranted 'conclusions'

Reams of your pathetic attempts to bullshit your way
out of your predicament flushed where they belong.

Clarifications......

I'm the idiot that offered to build a prototype.....

I state for the record that I can build a working prototype
peltier based room AC unit for about $2,000 (Depends
on timing and prices of components at time of build)....

At no point did I ever say it was a viable alternative to
standard AC units in a marketing since....

I will even offer to build a perpetual motion ( over unity)
device to anyone's specifications for a price....

I will not assure anyone that it will work as they B'leave
it will....

Ain't capitalism grand !

Paul.....

"It is really quite amazing by what margins competent but conservative
scientists and engineers can miss the mark, when they start with the
preconceived idea that what they are investigating is impossible.
When this happens, the most well-informed men become blinded by their
prejudices and are unable to see what lies directly ahead of them."
- Arthur C. Clarke, 1963

 

[Another Wise Guy - Macon,]

rod_speed@yahoo.com says...

Reams of your pathetic attempts to bullshit your way
out of your predicament flushed where they belong.

You are repeating yourself. Don't you think that your loyal
fans deserve fresh material? Your flames should be entertaining,
not dull and boring.

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[Another Wise Guy - Macon,]

simatar1@hotmail.Com says...

I state for the record that I can build a working prototype
peltier based room AC unit for about $2,000 (Depends
on timing and prices of components at time of build)....

At no point did I ever say it was a viable alternative to
standard AC units in a marketing since....

I will even offer to build a perpetual motion ( over unity)
device to anyone's specifications for a price....

I will not assure anyone that it will work as they B'leave
it will....

Ain't capitalism grand !

Aaaah... Someone who makes sense. It's like a breath of fresh
air after Rod's pitiful attempts at constructing a flame. Thanks!

If you have already done the calculations, efficiency, power
requirements and differential hot/cold side temperatures would
be interesting. Don't go to any extra work though.


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[Paul R. Mays]

"Another Wise Guy - Macon, GA USA" <another.wise.guy@macon.georgia.usa>
wrote in message news:BY67b.935$6Q3.169@fe01.atl2.webusenet.com...

simatar1@hotmail.Com says...

I state for the record that I can build a working prototype
peltier based room AC unit for about $2,000 (Depends
on timing and prices of components at time of build)....

At no point did I ever say it was a viable alternative to
standard AC units in a marketing since....

I will even offer to build a perpetual motion ( over unity)
device to anyone's specifications for a price....

I will not assure anyone that it will work as they B'leave
it will....

Ain't capitalism grand !

Aaaah... Someone who makes sense. It's like a breath of fresh
air after Rod's pitiful attempts at constructing a flame. Thanks!

If you have already done the calculations, efficiency, power
requirements and differential hot/cold side temperatures would
be interesting. Don't go to any extra work though.

Naw... have done no calculations as I see no need for any...
In the case of a Pelt AC unit the general knowledge base
of how they work and their efficiency ratings makes it obvious
at this point in their technology that they would be a magnitude
below the efficiency of a liquid/gas conversion system and
not a viable alternative... at this point... When they are
advanced to where they have a reasonable efficiency rating
then it would make sense to play with the numbers...

But I will still offer to build one.. Gota feed the kid....

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[Rod Speed]

"Paul R. Mays" <simatar1@hotmail.Com> wrote in message news:HN2dnUQu7LdhbMGiRVn-uQ@giganews.com...

"Rod Speed" <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:bjipq7$jengk$1@ID-69072.news.uni-berlin.de...

Another Wise Guy - Macon, GA USA <another.wise.guy@macon.georgia.usa
wrote in message newsCV6b.4097$h5.1926@fe01.atl2.webusenet.com...
Rod Speed rod_speed@yahoo.com wrote
Another Wise Guy - Macon, GA USA <another.wise.guy@macon.georgia.usa
wrote
Rod Speed rod_speed@yahoo.com wrote
Another Wise Guy - Macon, GA USA another.wise.guy@macon.georgia.usa
wrote
Rod Speed rod_speed@yahoo.com wrote
Gregory Toomey <NOSPAM@bigpond.com> wrote
Trevor Wilson <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote

I don't think so. It has been explained to Mr Toomey the reasons
why
Peltier devices are completely unsuited to air conditioning, yet
he keeps
asking the same questions, in different ways. It can be very
frustrating.

With somebody offering to make a prototype ...

Who also doesnt have a clue about the basic physics either.

Or is a scammer happy to pump a sucker's pockets.

Plenty make 'prototypes' of perpetual motion machines all the time.

Now now...

Nobody who knows the physics involved says that
you can't make a prototype peltier air conditioner.

No one ever said you cant. Whether it makes
any sense at all 'to make a prototype' tho...

Anyone with a clue about the basic physics would realise that its
never gunna be a viable product, just because of the running cost.

Don't confuse the impossible with the stupid.

You're the pathetically confused, stupid.

I can tell the difference between a perpetual motion machine
(impossible) and a peltier air conditioner (possible but stupid),

But cant manage to comprehend that I never ever said anything
about a peltier based airconditioner not being possible. I just
pointed out that someone offering 'to make a prototype' proves
sweet fuck all about the viability of what is prototyped.

Then you should have said that.

Wrong. As always. If everything was always analy worded so some
fool like you wouldnt jump to completely erroneous conclusions when
reading it, posts would be FAR too boring to be worth reading.

The bare mention of a perpetual motion machine
juxtaposed with a peltier air conditioner and a comment
about being ignorant obout physics gave the impression
that you considered them to be of the same class.

Only fools stupid enough to jump to completely unwarranted 'conclusions'

Reams of your pathetic attempts to bullshit your way
out of your predicament flushed where they belong.

Clarifications......

Nope, these details were already clear.

I'm the idiot that offered to build a prototype.....

And I commented on that.

I state for the record that I can build a working prototype
peltier based room AC unit for about $2,000 (Depends
on timing and prices of components at time of build)....

At no point did I ever say it was a viable alternative
to standard AC units in a marketing since....

No one ever said you did, and I in fact made a comment about scammers,
which is what that 'prototype' would have been, a scam, because a room
AC based on peltiers is never gunna be viable on running cost alone.

It isnt even viable for say a car either.

I will even offer to build a perpetual motion ( over unity)
device to anyone's specifications for a price....

Thats the way scammers operate...

I will not assure anyone that it will work as they B'leave it will....

Ain't capitalism grand !

There's always been the scam end of capitalism.

Thats what snake oil was always about too.

"It is really quite amazing by what margins competent but conservative
scientists and engineers can miss the mark, when they start with the
preconceived idea that what they are investigating is impossible.
When this happens, the most well-informed men become blinded by their
prejudices and are unable to see what lies directly ahead of them."
- Arthur C. Clarke, 1963

Indeed. Plenty of examples of that.

And plenty of proclamations about stuff being impossible which
ends up with lots of egg on the face of the proclaimer too.

 

[Rod Speed]

Some pathetic gutless fuckwit desperately cowering behind
Another Wise Guy - Macon, GA USA <another.wise.guy@macon.georgia.usa>
desperately attempted to bullshit its way out of its predicament in message
news:wT67b.919$6Q3.838@fe01.atl2.webusenet.com...
and fooled absolutely no one at all. As always.

 

[DarkMatter]

On Mon, 8 Sep 2003 17:17:55 -0400, "Paul R. Mays"
<simatar1@hotmail.Com> Gave us:

Clarifications......

I'm the idiot that offered to build a prototype.....

I state for the record that I can build a working prototype
peltier based room AC unit for about $2,000 (Depends
on timing and prices of components at time of build)....

And what would that mere 25,000 btu unit run from? I'll bet such a
unit would require 6kW to operate. Far more than it produces in
thermal energy on the cool side... I'll just bet.

Now take your average room air conditioner at 25,000 btu. I'd bet
that it does NOT require 6kW to run.

 

[DarkMatter]

On Tue, 9 Sep 2003 10:19:49 +1000, "Rod Speed" <rod_speed@yahoo.com>
Gave us:

Some pathetic gutless fuckwit desperately cowering behind
Another Wise Guy - Macon, GA USA <another.wise.guy@macon.georgia.usa
desperately attempted to bullshit its way out of its predicament in message
news:wT67b.919$6Q3.838@fe01.atl2.webusenet.com...
and fooled absolutely no one at all. As always.

You're a goddamned retard... as usual.

 

[Paul R. Mays]

"DarkMatter" <DarkMatter@thebarattheendoftheuniverse.org> wrote in message
news:vv7qlvg21r9qbjpv090ji29vka3o8ek132@4ax.com...

On Mon, 8 Sep 2003 17:17:55 -0400, "Paul R. Mays"
simatar1@hotmail.Com> Gave us:

Clarifications......

I'm the idiot that offered to build a prototype.....

I state for the record that I can build a working prototype
peltier based room AC unit for about $2,000 (Depends
on timing and prices of components at time of build)....


And what would that mere 25,000 btu unit run from? I'll bet such a
unit would require 6kW to operate. Far more than it produces in
thermal energy on the cool side... I'll just bet.

Now take your average room air conditioner at 25,000 btu. I'd bet
that it does NOT require 6kW to run.

I was thinking more along the lines of 8kbtu ( I have small rooms)
and I haven't calculated loads because that was not part of the offer...

If you asked me to build a over unity device I would not attempt
to calculate its values for the one paying for its build either...

None of this is a "scam" as one of the repliers mentioned...
It would be a scam IF I were to give those numbers and
they were produced to say it was cheaper to run, and better
than , a standard gaseous conversion system... I didn't do that...

So never a scam attempted...

If ya wana see a scam in action buy some FTL data cables...

 

[Another Wise Guy - Macon,]

rod_speed@yahoo.com says...

Some pathetic gutless fuckwit desperately cowering behind
Another Wise Guy - Macon, GA USA <another.wise.guy@macon.georgia.usa
desperately attempted to bullshit its way out of its predicament in message
news:wT67b.919$6Q3.838@fe01.atl2.webusenet.com...
and fooled absolutely no one at all. As always.

That's it? That's the only flame you know, and you have to repeat it
over and over? What a disapointment. I thought we had a real live
flaming kook here and all I got was this boring robot. *YAWN*

Come on down to Georgia, son, and we'uns will learn ya how it's done!

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[Another Wise Guy - Macon,]

DarkMatter@thebarattheendoftheuniverse.org says...

On Mon, 8 Sep 2003 17:17:55 -0400, "Paul R. Mays"
simatar1@hotmail.Com> Gave us:

Clarifications......

I'm the idiot that offered to build a prototype.....

I state for the record that I can build a working prototype
peltier based room AC unit for about $2,000 (Depends
on timing and prices of components at time of build)....


And what would that mere 25,000 btu unit run from? I'll bet such a
unit would require 6kW to operate. Far more than it produces in
thermal energy on the cool side... I'll just bet.

Now take your average room air conditioner at 25,000 btu. I'd bet
that it does NOT require 6kW to run.

Having trouble with our comprehension, are we?

He already said all of that in the post you replied to.

(This newsgroup sure does attract them, don't it?)

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[Another Wise Guy - Macon,]

simatar1@hotmail.Com says...

I was thinking more along the lines of 8kbtu ( I have small rooms)
and I haven't calculated loads because that was not part of the offer...

If you asked me to build a over unity device I would not attempt
to calculate its values for the one paying for its build either...

None of this is a "scam" as one of the repliers mentioned...
It would be a scam IF I were to give those numbers and
they were produced to say it was cheaper to run, and better
than , a standard gaseous conversion system... I didn't do that...

So never a scam attempted...

If ya wana see a scam in action buy some FTL data cables...

You have FTL data cables????

I have been looking all over Macon for those!!!

Wanna sell me some? I happen to have recently inherited several
million dollars, despite my low IQ and lack of common sense, but
I figure that if I can't trust someone in a newsgroup who can I
trust?

(BTW, for those who don't "get it" (AKA Rod "I am boring" Speed),
see http://www.ultra-faster-than-light.com/ )


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[Paul R. Mays]

"Another Wise Guy - Macon, GA USA" <another.wise.guy@macon.georgia.usa>
wrote in message news:XZa7b.1800$6Q3.1122@fe01.atl2.webusenet.com...

DarkMatter@thebarattheendoftheuniverse.org says...

On Mon, 8 Sep 2003 17:17:55 -0400, "Paul R. Mays"
simatar1@hotmail.Com> Gave us:

Clarifications......

I'm the idiot that offered to build a prototype.....

I state for the record that I can build a working prototype
peltier based room AC unit for about $2,000 (Depends
on timing and prices of components at time of build)....


And what would that mere 25,000 btu unit run from? I'll bet such a
unit would require 6kW to operate. Far more than it produces in
thermal energy on the cool side... I'll just bet.

Now take your average room air conditioner at 25,000 btu. I'd bet
that it does NOT require 6kW to run.

Having trouble with our comprehension, are we?

He already said all of that in the post you replied to.

(This newsgroup sure does attract them, don't it?)

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Well my grand pappy used to say...
" Hire the handycaped --- They fun to watch.."

 

[Paul R. Mays]

"Another Wise Guy - Macon, GA USA" <another.wise.guy@macon.georgia.usa>
wrote in message news:m6b7b.1849$6Q3.330@fe01.atl2.webusenet.com...

simatar1@hotmail.Com says...

I was thinking more along the lines of 8kbtu ( I have small rooms)
and I haven't calculated loads because that was not part of the offer...

If you asked me to build a over unity device I would not attempt
to calculate its values for the one paying for its build either...

None of this is a "scam" as one of the repliers mentioned...
It would be a scam IF I were to give those numbers and
they were produced to say it was cheaper to run, and better
than , a standard gaseous conversion system... I didn't do that...

So never a scam attempted...

If ya wana see a scam in action buy some FTL data cables...

You have FTL data cables????

I have been looking all over Macon for those!!!

Wanna sell me some? I happen to have recently inherited several
million dollars, despite my low IQ and lack of common sense, but
I figure that if I can't trust someone in a newsgroup who can I
trust?

(BTW, for those who don't "get it" (AKA Rod "I am boring" Speed),
see http://www.ultra-faster-than-light.com/ )


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I haven't got any in stock at the moment... I'm waiting for
a auction that's been announced on E-Bay... and waiting...
and waiting... and ( ya know)....waiting.....

 

[Paul R. Mays]

"Paul R. Mays" <simatar1@hotmail.Com> wrote in message
news:w86dnZYLc4rp38CiRVn-tg@giganews.com...

"Another Wise Guy - Macon, GA USA" <another.wise.guy@macon.georgia.usa
wrote in message news:m6b7b.1849$6Q3.330@fe01.atl2.webusenet.com...

simatar1@hotmail.Com says...

I was thinking more along the lines of 8kbtu ( I have small rooms)
and I haven't calculated loads because that was not part of the
offer...

If you asked me to build a over unity device I would not attempt
to calculate its values for the one paying for its build either...

None of this is a "scam" as one of the repliers mentioned...
It would be a scam IF I were to give those numbers and
they were produced to say it was cheaper to run, and better
than , a standard gaseous conversion system... I didn't do that...

So never a scam attempted...

If ya wana see a scam in action buy some FTL data cables...

You have FTL data cables????

I have been looking all over Macon for those!!!

Wanna sell me some? I happen to have recently inherited several
million dollars, despite my low IQ and lack of common sense, but
I figure that if I can't trust someone in a newsgroup who can I
trust?

(BTW, for those who don't "get it" (AKA Rod "I am boring" Speed),
see http://www.ultra-faster-than-light.com/ )


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I haven't got any in stock at the moment... I'm waiting for
a auction that's been announced on E-Bay... and waiting...
and waiting... and ( ya know)....waiting.....

BTW.. since you got extra cash you should
sponsor my Quantum State Modification Device...

Http://Paul.Mays.Com/device.htm

 

[Rod Speed]

"Paul R. Mays" <simatar1@hotmail.Com> wrote in message news:ws-dnaqFIPbAu8CiRVn-tA@giganews.com...

"DarkMatter" <DarkMatter@thebarattheendoftheuniverse.org> wrote in message
news:vv7qlvg21r9qbjpv090ji29vka3o8ek132@4ax.com...
On Mon, 8 Sep 2003 17:17:55 -0400, "Paul R. Mays"
simatar1@hotmail.Com> Gave us:

Clarifications......

I'm the idiot that offered to build a prototype.....

I state for the record that I can build a working prototype
peltier based room AC unit for about $2,000 (Depends
on timing and prices of components at time of build)....


And what would that mere 25,000 btu unit run from? I'll bet such a
unit would require 6kW to operate. Far more than it produces in
thermal energy on the cool side... I'll just bet.

Now take your average room air conditioner at 25,000 btu. I'd bet
that it does NOT require 6kW to run.


I was thinking more along the lines of 8kbtu ( I have small rooms)
and I haven't calculated loads because that was not part of the offer...

If you asked me to build a over unity device I would not attempt
to calculate its values for the one paying for its build either...

None of this is a "scam" as one of the repliers mentioned...

Corse it is when you know full well that
the 'prototype' cant possibly be viable.

It would be a scam IF I were to give those numbers and
they were produced to say it was cheaper to run, and
better than , a standard gaseous conversion system...

Its still a scam if you know it cant be a viable
alternative to a conventional small AC

I didn't do that...

The best scams arent stupid enough to make quantifiable claims.

So never a scam attempted...

Wrong.

If ya wana see a scam in action buy some FTL data cables...

Just one of the scams. Offering to build a prototype when
even the most superficial analysis based on the pathetic
efficiency of peltiers shows it cant be viable is still a scam.

They're only viable for pumping what leaks thru the
insulation with very small portable fridges/eskys etc.

Like I said, they aint even viable for a car, let alone a room.