Cheap Peltier air conditioner?

[Ian Stirling]

In sci.physics Uncle Al <UncleAl0@hate.spam.net> wrote:

Gregory Toomey wrote:

Domestic fan heaters are cheap but air conditioners are a lot more
expensive.

There seem to be lots of cheap Peltier cooling devices coming to the market.
I was wondering whether a fan could be combined with a Peltier device to
make a cheap air conditioner.

http://www.ferrotec-america.com/pel.htm
http://www.abc.net.au/science/k2/homework/s95611.htm

Peltier coolers have low efficiency and are unsuited to moving large
amounts of heat. They are good for quiet spot cooling and maintaining

Anyone know what's happening with thermal diodes?

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[Trevor Wilson]

"Gregory Toomey" <NOSPAM@bigpond.com> wrote in message
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**I don't think so. It has been explained to Mr Toomey the reasons why
Peltier devices are completely unsuited to air conditioning, yet he
keeps
asking the same questions, in different ways. It can be very
frustrating.

With somebody offering to make a prototype ...

**A fool and his money......


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[Rod Speed]

Some clown desperately cowering behind the entirely appropriate
DarkBrownMatter <DarkBorwnMatter@thebarattheendoftheuniverse.org> wrote

Rod Speed <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote
Gregory Toomey <NOSPAM@bigpond.com> wrote
Paul R. Mays <simatar1@hotmail.Com> wrote

I was thinking along the same lines. There is probably a
market for a cheaper (and proably quieter) window unit.

Nope, because of atrocious running costs.

If you want quieter, you just use a split system.

If you can just get away with fans & heatsinks
I think there would be a big market.

You're wrong, because of the running cost.

It would be nice if the smart folk, like you would extend those brains
to being smart enough to trim the irrelevant parts of your reply away.

None of it was irrelevant, fuckwit.

DUH!

You the village eejut, fuckwit ?

You put down one idiot's remarks, replying to one sentence,

Even you should be able to count the number replied to, fuckwit.

yet your stupid ass STILL quoted the entire tripe post.

I dont actually have a donkey, smart or stupid, fuckwit.

And if I did, I certainly wouldnt let it use my PC.

You need to get more clues than those you have chosen to embrace, boy.

Heard the one about your head and a dead bear's arse, child ?

 

[Rod Speed]

Gregory Toomey <NOSPAM@bigpond.com> wrote in message
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Trevor Wilson <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote

I don't think so. It has been explained to Mr Toomey the reasons why
Peltier devices are completely unsuited to air conditioning, yet he keeps
asking the same questions, in different ways. It can be very frustrating.

With somebody offering to make a prototype ...

Who also doesnt have a clue about the basic physics either.

Plenty make 'prototypes' of perpetual motion machines all the time.

 

[Paul R. Mays]

"Gregory Toomey" <NOSPAM@bigpond.com> wrote in message
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"Trevor Wilson" <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote in message
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**I don't think so. It has been explained to Mr Toomey the reasons why
Peltier devices are completely unsuited to air conditioning, yet he
keeps
asking the same questions, in different ways. It can be very
frustrating.

With somebody offering to make a prototype ...

gtoomey

A boys gota eat... hehehe

 

[Another Wise Guy - Macon,]

rod_speed@yahoo.com says...

Gregory Toomey <NOSPAM@bigpond.com> wrote in message

Trevor Wilson <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote

I don't think so. It has been explained to Mr Toomey the reasons why
Peltier devices are completely unsuited to air conditioning, yet he keeps
asking the same questions, in different ways. It can be very frustrating.

With somebody offering to make a prototype ...

Who also doesnt have a clue about the basic physics either.

Plenty make 'prototypes' of perpetual motion machines all the time.

Now now...

Nobody who knows the physics involved says that you can't make a
prototype peltier air conditioner. You could, for example, replace
some walls with banks of cpu peltiers, arrange for your local power
company to supply a gazillion ampere feed to run them, then buy
and tear down the houses on both sides to give a buffer big enough
so that the exterior/hot side doesn't burn the paint off, and then
go deaf from the sound of thousands and thousands of little fans...

Don't confuse the impossible with the stupid.


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[Paul R. Mays]

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**I don't think so. It has been explained to Mr Toomey the reasons why
Peltier devices are completely unsuited to air conditioning, yet he
keeps
asking the same questions, in different ways. It can be very
frustrating.

With somebody offering to make a prototype ...

**A fool and his money......

Now wait a sec... I didn't say I would build
the proto type using MY money... but if he wants
one could have it up and running in a couple weeks...

Paul....

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[Brian Goldsmith]

"Paul R. Mays" <simatar1@hotmail.Com> wrote


Now wait a sec... I didn't say I would build
the proto type using MY money... but if he wants
one could have it up and running in a couple weeks...

**And that my learned friends is pure ,unadulterated capitalism at
work!!!!
Brian Goldsmith.

 

[Trevor Wilson]

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**I don't think so. It has been explained to Mr Toomey the reasons
why
Peltier devices are completely unsuited to air conditioning, yet he
keeps
asking the same questions, in different ways. It can be very
frustrating.

With somebody offering to make a prototype ...

**A fool and his money......

Now wait a sec... I didn't say I would build
the proto type using MY money...

**Of course. I wasn't talking about your money.

but if he wants

one could have it up and running in a couple weeks...

**Sure. I'll take his money too. I've been mucking about with Peltiers for
the best part of 20 years. Nothing much has changed, either. They're neat,
but they'll never make an air conditioner obsolete.


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Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au

 

[Rod Speed]

Another Wise Guy - Macon, GA USA <another.wise.guy@macon.georgia.usa>
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Rod Speed rod_speed@yahoo.com wrote
Gregory Toomey <NOSPAM@bigpond.com> wrote
Trevor Wilson <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote

I don't think so. It has been explained to Mr Toomey the reasons why
Peltier devices are completely unsuited to air conditioning, yet he keeps
asking the same questions, in different ways. It can be very frustrating.

With somebody offering to make a prototype ...

Who also doesnt have a clue about the basic physics either.

Or is a scammer happy to pump a sucker's pockets.

Plenty make 'prototypes' of perpetual motion machines all the time.

Now now...

Nobody who knows the physics involved says that
you can't make a prototype peltier air conditioner.

No one ever said you cant. Whether it makes
any sense at all 'to make a prototype' tho.

Anyone with a clue about the basic physics would realise that its
never gunna be a viable product, just because of the running cost.

Don't confuse the impossible with the stupid.

You're the pathetically confused, stupid.

 

[Paul R. Mays]

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"Gregory Toomey" <NOSPAM@bigpond.com> wrote in message
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"Trevor Wilson" <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote in message
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**I don't think so. It has been explained to Mr Toomey the reasons
why
Peltier devices are completely unsuited to air conditioning, yet
he
keeps
asking the same questions, in different ways. It can be very
frustrating.

With somebody offering to make a prototype ...

**A fool and his money......

Now wait a sec... I didn't say I would build
the proto type using MY money...

**Of course. I wasn't talking about your money.

but if he wants
one could have it up and running in a couple weeks...

**Sure. I'll take his money too. I've been mucking about with Peltiers for
the best part of 20 years. Nothing much has changed, either. They're neat,
but they'll never make an air conditioner obsolete.

Shut up about that part !!! I'm trying to
feed the kids.....

But seriously... It would work fine and all that but
what minor point the original poster missed is the
wattage aspect... He seems to think that an 80 watt
rated peltier is equivalent to say an 80 watt load
fluid/gaseous conversion system... and they are not...

Simply because of what someone pointed out...
Efficiency..... a load that uses 100 watts to heat
with a 50% efficiency will not produce the heat
output of a unit that uses 100 watts at 80%... He
seemed to just uses the wattage values as a rationale
for it being a viable option.. and I'm always
looking for funding for my real experiments in
building a dielectric stress quantum field modifier...

Paul

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[DarkMatter]

On Sun, 7 Sep 2003 15:02:42 +1000, "Rod Speed" <rod_speed@yahoo.com>
Gave us:

Some clown desperately cowering behind the entirely appropriate
DarkBrownMatter <DarkBorwnMatter@thebarattheendoftheuniverse.org> wrote
Rod Speed <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote
Gregory Toomey <NOSPAM@bigpond.com> wrote
Paul R. Mays <simatar1@hotmail.Com> wrote

I was thinking along the same lines. There is probably a
market for a cheaper (and proably quieter) window unit.

Nope, because of atrocious running costs.

If you want quieter, you just use a split system.

If you can just get away with fans & heatsinks
I think there would be a big market.

You're wrong, because of the running cost.

It would be nice if the smart folk, like you would extend those brains
to being smart enough to trim the irrelevant parts of your reply away.

None of it was irrelevant, fuckwit.

Bullshit! The remark which you replied directly to was ALL that was
required, you usenet total retard.

DUH!

You the village eejut, fuckwit ?

No... YOU ARE! Bwahahahahaha... You are a usenet clueless fuck.

You put down one idiot's remarks, replying to one sentence,

Even you should be able to count the number replied to, fuckwit.

You are the retarded boy here, boy.

yet your stupid ass STILL quoted the entire tripe post.

I dont actually have a donkey, smart or stupid, fuckwit.

No, YOU ARE A DONKEY, boy.

And if I did, I certainly wouldnt let it use my PC.

Then you'd better go back out in the yard, and tie yourself back up.

You need to get more clues than those you have chosen to embrace, boy.

Heard the one about your head and a dead bear's arse, child ?

I got nine inches of "child" for yer lame ass, little girl.

You are still clueless as you did not get the meaning of the post...
at all. I din't expect a usenet retard like you to get it though.

You are so full of yourself that you feel that you are incapable of
err. Too late, dipshit.

 

[Another Wise Guy - Macon,]

rod_speed@yahoo.com says...

Another Wise Guy - Macon, GA USA <another.wise.guy@macon.georgia.usa
wrote in message news:wtB6b.2139$h5.1974@fe01.atl2.webusenet.com...
Rod Speed rod_speed@yahoo.com wrote
Gregory Toomey <NOSPAM@bigpond.com> wrote
Trevor Wilson <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote

I don't think so. It has been explained to Mr Toomey the reasons why
Peltier devices are completely unsuited to air conditioning, yet he keeps
asking the same questions, in different ways. It can be very frustrating.

With somebody offering to make a prototype ...

Who also doesnt have a clue about the basic physics either.

Or is a scammer happy to pump a sucker's pockets.

Plenty make 'prototypes' of perpetual motion machines all the time.

Now now...

Nobody who knows the physics involved says that
you can't make a prototype peltier air conditioner.

No one ever said you cant. Whether it makes
any sense at all 'to make a prototype' tho.

Anyone with a clue about the basic physics would realise that its
never gunna be a viable product, just because of the running cost.

Don't confuse the impossible with the stupid.

You're the pathetically confused, stupid.

I can tell the difference between a perpetual motion machine
(impossible) and a peltier air conditioner (possible but stupid),
and I can tell that "stupid" and "never gunna be a viable product"
are roughly equivalent (which means that I can read, unlike you),
so it's pretty clear who is "pathetically confused" here.

Feel free to pick up your clue at the door on the way out.
Thanks for playing. Better luck next time. Bye Bye!




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[Douglas Eagleson]

"Gregory Toomey" <NOSPAM@bigpond.com> wrote in message news:<bjbab4$glsnl$1@ID-202028.news.uni-berlin.de>...

Domestic fan heaters are cheap but air conditioners are a lot more
expensive.

There seem to be lots of cheap Peltier cooling devices coming to the market.
I was wondering whether a fan could be combined with a Peltier device to
make a cheap air conditioner.

http://www.ferrotec-america.com/pel.htm
http://www.abc.net.au/science/k2/homework/s95611.htm

gtoomey

My old car's airconditioner is broken and the fan on the dash
does not work all the time. I was supposed to mount a Peltier
decive to the cars metal roof and blow the fan's air across
the inside plate to my face.

Except the car is so old I am supposed to fix the nicer one
and get rid of it. So five years later the same situation
exists. I really just need to play with the device and see how
nice a cool air it would make.

A device mounted to the window would also work. just
make a gooy paste connection of the device to the glass
and have a large thin metal flange covering the hot spot
on the window.

So the cold inside device plate is ready to cool.

Cheap spot air conditioning.

Douglas Eagleson
Gaithersburg, MD USA

 

[DarkMatter]

On 7 Sep 2003 10:54:48 -0700, veryveryalso@yahoo.com (Douglas
Eagleson) Gave us:

"Gregory Toomey" <NOSPAM@bigpond.com> wrote in message news:<bjbab4$glsnl$1@ID-202028.news.uni-berlin.de>...
Domestic fan heaters are cheap but air conditioners are a lot more
expensive.

There seem to be lots of cheap Peltier cooling devices coming to the market.
I was wondering whether a fan could be combined with a Peltier device to
make a cheap air conditioner.

http://www.ferrotec-america.com/pel.htm
http://www.abc.net.au/science/k2/homework/s95611.htm

gtoomey

My old car's airconditioner is broken and the fan on the dash
does not work all the time. I was supposed to mount a Peltier
decive to the cars metal roof and blow the fan's air across
the inside plate to my face.

Except the car is so old I am supposed to fix the nicer one
and get rid of it. So five years later the same situation
exists. I really just need to play with the device and see how
nice a cool air it would make.

A device mounted to the window would also work. just
make a gooy paste connection of the device to the glass
and have a large thin metal flange covering the hot spot
on the window.

So the cold inside device plate is ready to cool.

Cheap spot air conditioning.

Me thinks yer an idiot. Blowing a breeze over a flat plate is about
as efficient as your "cheap" remark is true. Near nil. You need a
heat sink on the cold side to conduct heat out of the air which you
are passing over the fins. A flat plate is...well...retarded.

As far as it being "cheap" , it is not. It is a very INEFFICIENT
(you do understand that word, don't you) heat conversion device.

 

[Rod Speed]

Another Wise Guy - Macon, GA USA <another.wise.guy@macon.georgia.usa>
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Rod Speed rod_speed@yahoo.com wrote
Another Wise Guy - Macon, GA USA another.wise.guy@macon.georgia.usa wrote
Rod Speed rod_speed@yahoo.com wrote
Gregory Toomey <NOSPAM@bigpond.com> wrote
Trevor Wilson <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote

I don't think so. It has been explained to Mr Toomey the reasons why
Peltier devices are completely unsuited to air conditioning, yet he keeps
asking the same questions, in different ways. It can be very frustrating.

With somebody offering to make a prototype ...

Who also doesnt have a clue about the basic physics either.

Or is a scammer happy to pump a sucker's pockets.

Plenty make 'prototypes' of perpetual motion machines all the time.

Now now...

Nobody who knows the physics involved says that
you can't make a prototype peltier air conditioner.

No one ever said you cant. Whether it makes
any sense at all 'to make a prototype' tho...

Anyone with a clue about the basic physics would realise that its
never gunna be a viable product, just because of the running cost.

Don't confuse the impossible with the stupid.

You're the pathetically confused, stupid.

I can tell the difference between a perpetual motion machine
(impossible) and a peltier air conditioner (possible but stupid),

But cant manage to comprehend that I never ever said anything
about a peltier based airconditioner not being possible. I just
pointed out that someone offering 'to make a prototype' proves
sweet fuck all about the viability of what is prototyped.

Reams of your pathetic attempts to bullshit your way
out of your predicament flushed where they belong.

 

[Rod Speed]

Some clown desperately cowering behind the entirely appropriate
DarkBrownMatter <DarkBorwnMatter@thebarattheendoftheuniverse.org>
wrote in message news:ighmlvs9tl5mkg94ip9ajh3k7bhaemocml@4ax.com...

Rod Speed <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote
DarkBrownMatter <DarkBorwnMatter@thebarattheendoftheuniverse.org> wrote
Rod Speed <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote
Gregory Toomey <NOSPAM@bigpond.com> wrote
Paul R. Mays <simatar1@hotmail.Com> wrote

I was thinking along the same lines. There is probably a
market for a cheaper (and proably quieter) window unit.

Nope, because of atrocious running costs.

If you want quieter, you just use a split system.

If you can just get away with fans & heatsinks
I think there would be a big market.

You're wrong, because of the running cost.

It would be nice if the smart folk, like you would extend those brains
to being smart enough to trim the irrelevant parts of your reply away.

None of it was irrelevant, fuckwit.

Bullshit!

Yep, you're full of that. Very appropriate indeed considering
that pathetic excuse for a nick you desperately cower behind

The remark which you replied directly to was ALL that was required,

You get no say what so ever on what is or is not required. Ever.

Reams of your desperate attempts at insults any 3 year
old could leave for dead flushed where they belong.

 

[Mark van der Eynden]

Ian Stirling <root@mauve.demon.co.uk> wrote in message news:<bjdura$j9g$1$8302bc10@news.demon.co.uk>...

In sci.physics Uncle Al <UncleAl0@hate.spam.net> wrote:

Anyone know what's happening with thermal diodes?

Never heard of them. But, then again, if you read a description for a
Peltier device you will see it described as 'a series of PN
junctions'. So, just maybe, a thermal diode is a Peltier device by
another name.

Mark

 

[DarkMatter]

On Mon, 8 Sep 2003 05:07:04 +1000, "Rod Speed" <rod_speed@yahoo.com>
Gave us:

Yep, you're full of that.

You are so full of shit, your eyes are brown, and there is a stench
emanating from your ears.

Very appropriate indeed considering
that pathetic excuse for a nick you desperately cower behind

Look, retard boy... usenet is an anonymous place. Specifically to
remain AWAY from retarded twits like you.

I cower behind nothing, desperately or otherwise.

I do know how to properly post in usenet, however, unlike your lame,
wussified ass.

 

[DarkMatter]

On Mon, 8 Sep 2003 05:07:04 +1000, "Rod Speed" <rod_speed@yahoo.com>
Gave us:

The remark which you replied directly to was ALL that was required,

You get no say what so ever on what is or is not required. Ever.

Wrong. Fact is, you cannot admit that you don't trim shit and are
too fucking lazy to do so.

Reams of your desperate attempts at insults any 3 year
old could leave for dead flushed where they belong.

My insults are well placed if you are too fucking wussified to take
the statement for what it was worth, and you are.

You didn't need to quote the whole fucking thing, DIPSHIT.

What part of that is so hard for you to admit? ALL of it, because
you are a fucking retard as it relates to usenet.