Caps for Short Term Mobil Energy Storage

Some puppies need to get their noses rubbed into their own poop
several times:

Aww...

You have no one to blame but yourself.

poor widdle baby has to hide who she's posting to.

You openly admit you are female?

You could never make up your mind as to whether you had any patents or
not so it's not too surprising.

What am I saying? Girly girls make up their minds better than that.

.. . .

If you're _that_ interested, do your own legwork.

If you are _not_ interested, why are you clicking on this thread?

Oh, but I _am_ interested,

Not in tech issues.

If you were interested in tech issues, you'ld discuss them
occasionally.

Or are you are having more trouble making up your mind.

especially when you say stupid things

Ain't nuthin' more stupid than trying to bluff IP.

You need to "Be All You Can Be" and waddle down to yer Army Recruiter
and git some training.

They take females and have lowered the physical, mental and criminal
background requirements so maybe you'll get accepted.

that
are easily contested.

"Easily contested?"

Well don't keep us settin' on the edges of our chairs.

Start yer contestin'

Uh, oh. She's gonna have trouble makin' up her mind on this one.

You don't need to do anything more to convince us you are irrational.

LOL,

Back to typing "LOL?"

I thought we had been weaned you off that by now.

You really need to practice more on making up your mind.

I'm not the one who's been professing that electric tractors are
practicable

True. You are the one who could not make up her mind.

.. . .

Makes me happy.

Type "LOL" three more times and your case worker will be pleased the
meds are working.

 

[Don Bowey]

On 8/11/08 10:28 AM, in article
g_CdnVaL-_tm6z3VnZ2dnUVZ_vqdnZ2d@earthlink.com, "Kris Krieger"
<me@dowmuff.in> wrote:

Don Bowey <dbowey@comcast.net> wrote in news:C4C48D45.C0E7A%
dbowey@comcast.net:

On 8/10/08 11:18 AM, in article
0aa05f31-8cb4-4f63-b58c-fdcb4c791e8d@a3g2000prm.googlegroups.com, "Bret
Cahill" <BretCahill@aol.com> wrote:

Some dreamer once wanted to use "super" capacitors to power a road EV
but the energy density is still too low. ?By one calculation a 100 ton
cap would be necessary to store the energy in a 15 gallon (100 lb) gas
tank.

For electric farm tractors energy density is much less an issue than
the lifetime cost of the energy storage device. ?With enough trolly
wiring caps would work better than batteries.

A spread sheet would determine the economic advantage.

Fine; show your calculations.

Only an idiot such as yourself would do all those calculations when
excel is available.


Bret Cahill



Only an idiot such as yourself would not know Excel does "calculations"
among other things.

So post the spreadsheet(s).



Your version can't calculate, for a specified range of cells, a formula
that you input? I have a 1997 version, and it does that. Strange.

Who said it could not? Your post does not appear to respond to anyone.

 

[Bret Cahill]

Ya need to make up yer mind.

Are you a happy camper?

If so then type "LOL" a lot.

Are you vexed and want to flame?

If so then flame a lot.

But if you do both in a lot of posts then it looks like you cannot
make up your womanish mind.

In any event, no one will believe you will ever have anything to
contribute to any tech discussion.


Bret Cahill

 

[whit3rd]

On Aug 8, 2:55 pm, "Paul E. Schoen" <pst...@smart.net> wrote:

"Paul E. Schoen" <pst...@smart.net> wrote in messagenews:489c8f96$0$19657$ecde5a14@news.coretel.net...

According to the data given, 1 square meter of water pumped up to a height
of 30 meters weighs 1000 kg, and has a potential energy of 30 kJoules. This
is enough energy to power a 30 watt lamp for 3.3 hours.

Er.... I make that 1000 seconds, which is more like 17 minutes, not
three hours.
Not 3.3 hours, either.

also, don't you need to know how much mass of water (i.e. not square
meters,
but cubic meters?) Or, is this a 1 square meter column of water 30
meters high?

 

[John Larkin]

On Thu, 14 Aug 2008 08:26:42 -0700 (PDT), BretCahill@peoplepc.com
wrote:

If yer happy and you know it type "LOL."
If your happy and you know it type "LOL."
If yer happy and you know it then yer life is sure to show it.
If yer happy and you know it type "LOL."

Ya need to make up yer mind.

Are you a happy camper?

If so then type "LOL" a lot.

Are you vexed and want to flame?

If so then flame a lot.

But if you do both in a lot of posts then it looks like you cannot
make up your womanish mind.

If I feel like writing "LOL" to accentuate the outlandishly ridiculous
nature of the feigned technical acumen in your posts, I will.

But that dodges the issue: Typing "LOL" all day long and flaming all
day long undermine the effectiveness of either.

You can flame in a post.

Or you can type "LOL" in a post.

But if you do _both_ it just looks like you are bipolar.

So, Mr. Smarty Pants, what's wrong with being bipolar?


John

 

[John Fields]

On Thu, 14 Aug 2008 08:26:42 -0700 (PDT), BretCahill@peoplepc.com
wrote:

If yer happy and you know it type "LOL."
If your happy and you know it type "LOL."
If yer happy and you know it then yer life is sure to show it.
If yer happy and you know it type "LOL."

---
Geez, I'll bet you think meter is something bolted to the dash of a
taxi.

Plus, you misspelled 'yer' once.

JF

 

[John Fields]

On Thu, 14 Aug 2008 10:05:41 -0700 (PDT), BretCahill@peoplepc.com
wrote:

The difficulty they have with 3 phz meds.
---

"They"???

JF

 

If yer happy and you know it type "LOL."
If your happy and you know it type "LOL."
If yer happy and you know it then yer life is sure to show it.
If yer happy and you know it type "LOL."

Ya need to make up yer mind.

Are you a happy camper?

If so then type "LOL" a lot.

Are you vexed and want to flame?

If so then flame a lot.

But if you do both in a lot of posts then it looks like you cannot
make up your womanish mind.

If I feel like writing "LOL" to accentuate the outlandishly ridiculous
nature of the feigned technical acumen in your posts, I will.

But that dodges the issue: Typing "LOL" all day long and flaming all
day long undermine the effectiveness of either.

You can flame in a post.

Or you can type "LOL" in a post.

But if you do _both_ it just looks like you are bipolar.

Plus, snip boy, I don't flame because I'm vexed, I flame

Don't tell your case worker you're a flamer. She'll think the meds
aren't working.

Your assignment today is to learn to sing the following:

If yer happy and you know it type "LOL."
If your happy and you know it type "LOL."
If yer happy and you know it then yer life is sure to show it.
If yer happy and you know it type "LOL."

She'll love it.

 

[John Fields]

On Thu, 14 Aug 2008 08:26:42 -0700 (PDT), BretCahill@peoplepc.com
wrote:

If yer happy and you know it type "LOL."
If your happy and you know it type "LOL."
If yer happy and you know it then yer life is sure to show it.
If yer happy and you know it type "LOL."

Ya need to make up yer mind.

Are you a happy camper?

If so then type "LOL" a lot.

Are you vexed and want to flame?

If so then flame a lot.

But if you do both in a lot of posts then it looks like you cannot
make up your womanish mind.

If I feel like writing "LOL" to accentuate the outlandishly ridiculous
nature of the feigned technical acumen in your posts, I will.

But that dodges the issue: Typing "LOL" all day long and flaming all
day long undermine the effectiveness of either.

You can flame in a post.

Or you can type "LOL" in a post.

But if you do _both_ it just looks like you are bipolar.

---
I can do whatever I want, snippy, regardless of what goes on in that
befuddled brain of yours.

JF

 

[m II]

John Fields wrote:

Or, maybe, it's: "What's not up with that?"

I'd like to take this opportunity to remind everyone that this is a
family oriented newsgroup and we really should eschew smut, filth,
pornography and hydrogen powered cars.

It had to be said. Thank you.



mike


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Due to the insane amount of spam and garbage,
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http://improve-usenet.org/

 

If yer happy and you know it type "LOL."
If your happy and you know it type "LOL."
If yer happy and you know it then yer life is sure to show it.
If yer happy and you know it type "LOL."

Ya need to make up yer mind.

Are you a happy camper?

If so then type "LOL" a lot.

Are you vexed and want to flame?

If so then flame a lot.

But if you do both in a lot of posts then it looks like you cannot
make up your womanish mind.

If I feel like writing "LOL" to accentuate the outlandishly ridiculous
nature of the feigned technical acumen in your posts, I will.

But that dodges the issue: �Typing "LOL" all day long and flaming all
day long undermine the effectiveness of either.

You can flame in a post.

Or you can type "LOL" in a post.

But if you do _both_ it just looks like you are bipolar.

So, Mr. Smarty Pants, what's wrong with being bipolar?

The difficulty they have with 3 phz meds.


Bret Cahill

 

OK, so every poster here isn't Sir Newton. This doesn't mean they
don't provide valuable input.

For example, Rod Speed keeps several dozen idiots off the streets and
carbon neutral.

I was thinking . . . if we could scale up Rod by several orders of
magnitude it would be a quad.


Bret Cahill

 

[John Fields]

On Mon, 11 Aug 2008 12:48:03 -0500, Kris Krieger <me@dowmuff.in>
wrote:

John Fields <jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote in
news:1isu94hg2hk1sinl4ik239fm5un4nlloos@4ax.com:

On Fri, 8 Aug 2008 10:52:04 -0700 (PDT), Bret Cahill
BretCahill@aol.com> wrote:

And hope for a better battery.

---
Hope?

Instead of helping in the quest, technically, it seems that all you
want to do is sit on the sidelines, puff yourself up as being an
authority, and poo-poo everyone else's work even though you haven't
the technical acumen to do so.

To what end?

JF


Naysayers are so weird IMO. I'd mentioned, in the e-design group, the idea
of using controlled capacitor output as a possible way to power solar
lights (yeah, I'm still on that - chugging through my books, now that they
arrived <G!&gt without requiring battery replacement every couple years.
Someone just *had* to go on about how "stupid" the idea was - even tho' the
idea had come from *products which already exis* and are *being sold*!

Talk about shutting off one's brain

There is nothing easier than sitting around and calling other ideas/people
stupid, and/or merely "wishing/hoping". What's hard is getting off one's
butt to actually work on doing/creating/inventing something.

---
Indeed.

As I recall, Edison was credited with: "Invention is 2% inspiration
and 98% perspiration."
---

ANd anyway, the fun part isn't automatically knowing in advnace whether the
idea will succeed - the fun part is doing all the planning, sketching, info
research, and other creative thinking, and so on, needed to at least *try*
to make it succeed

---
For me, after the idea strikes, the sawing and hammering and pushing
and shoving to get it born is OK, but the real joy comes when the
rubber meets the road and all the predictions come true.


JF

 

[John Fields]

On Tue, 12 Aug 2008 04:59:59 +1000, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

Kris Krieger <me@dowmuff.in> wrote

ANd anyway, the fun part isn't automatically knowing in advnace
whether the idea will succeed - the fun part is doing all the
planning, sketching, info research, and other creative thinking,
and so on, needed to at least *try* to make it succeed

Pointless if some basic calculations show that it isnt a viable alternative.

---
Not at all pointless, since in order to prove the calculations correct
reduction to practice must be attempted and result in failure,
quantitatively, as predicted by the calculations.

JF

 

[Benj]

On Aug 11, 1:48 pm, Kris Krieger <m...@dowmuff.in> wrote:

There is nothing easier than sitting around and calling other ideas/people
stupid, and/or merely "wishing/hoping".  What's hard is getting off one's
butt to actually work on doing/creating/inventing something.  

Lessee. Let's use 19th century technology to solve 21st century
problems. Yeah, sure that will work. I'm installing a windmill to pump
water for my horse watering trough right now!

ANd anyway, the fun part isn't automatically knowing in advnace whether the
idea will succeed - the fun part is doing all the planning, sketching, info
research, and other creative thinking, and so on, needed to at least *try*
to make it succeed  

I know just what you mean. You may not know how to cure cancer, but
you DO know how to bounce a basketball! So bounce a basketball to cure
cancer! The important thing is not WHAT you are doing, the important
thing is getting credit for at least trying *something*!

Moron.

 

[John Fields]

On Wed, 20 Aug 2008 09:13:11 +1000, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

John Fields <jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote
Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
Androcles <Headmaster@Hogwarts.physics> wrote
John Fields <jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote
Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
John Fields <jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote
Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
Kris Krieger <me@dowmuff.in> wrote

ANd anyway, the fun part isn't automatically knowing in advnace
whether the idea will succeed - the fun part is doing all the
planning, sketching, info research, and other creative thinking,
and so on, needed to at least *try* to make it succeed

Pointless if some basic calculations show that it isnt a viable alternative.

Not at all pointless, since in order to prove the calculations
correct reduction to practice must be attempted and result
in failure, quantitatively, as predicted by the calculations.

Pointless bothering with most real world engineering calculations.

Really?

Then according to you, everything should be built using trial and error.

Everything IS built using trial and error.

Nope. Anything of any major value is calculated to be viable and then built.

Sorry, Charlie, that's just not true.

Wrong, as always.

An excellent example would be ships' hulls which, for millennia, were
developed empirically with no regard for the underlying physics since,
at the time, there was none and the only thing anybody (Archimedes)
had figured out was how flotation worked.

Irrelevant to the FACT that we do big bridges and multistory buildings etc that way.

Another example would be blowguns. Of major value because they put
food on the table, there are no calculation made as to their viability
since they're built without their builders knowing anything about pi
or PSI, and they just work.

Yet another example, from more recent times, would be the development
of the airfoil. I believe that, early on, various profiles were evaluated
empirically using wind tunnels and data gathered from those runs used
to establish the mathematical underpinning of their operation.

And how about other greats like Samuel Finley Breese Morse who knew
nothing about transmission lines and yet managed to make a telegraph work?

All completely irrelevant to his stupid claim that EVERYTHING is built by trial and error.

Not anymore they aint.

---
So you agree with me.

JF

 

[John Fields]

On Wed, 20 Aug 2008 09:22:17 +1000, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

Some terminal fuckwit claiming to be
John Fields <jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote just the usual pathetic
excuse for a juvenile troll that fools absolutely no one at all, as always.

---
Cantcha come up with anything better than "Snip and confuse" again?

Should be Rod Sloth...

JF

 

[John Fields]

On Thu, 21 Aug 2008 04:33:24 +1000, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

Some terminal fuckwit claiming to be
John Fields <jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote just the usual pathetic
excuse for a juvenile troll that fools absolutely no one at all, as always.

---
Got you backed into a corner, huh?

JF

 

[hhc314@yahoo.com]

On Aug 10, 7:21 pm, John Fields <jfie...@austininstruments.com> wrote:

On Fri, 8 Aug 2008 10:52:04 -0700 (PDT), Bret Cahill

BretCah...@aol.com> wrote:
And hope for a better battery.

---
Hope?

Instead of helping in the quest, technically, it seems that all you
want to do is sit on the sidelines, puff yourself up as being an
authority, and poo-poo everyone else's work even though you haven't
the technical acumen to do so.

To what end?

JF

On the subject of the the original thread, I've had the opportunity to
work with LARGE, energy storage capacitors. Trust me in telling you
that if their energy storage capacity were sufficent to drive a truck
for 15 miles, it could not carry the capacitors. They're heavy and
large.

I've been waiting for major breakthoughs on this suubject, but
advancement in battery technology seems to be making the greatest
advancements. That little NiMH battery on my electric drill seems to
do wonders, but after about a month of repeated use, it no longer is
able to hold a charge. Same with my 3 spare batteries.

I'm no authority on the subject, but it seems to me like NiMH
batteries are very similar to lead acid batteries in that they are
limited in their deep cycle number of recharge cycles. Wonderful when
they work, but cost roughly $25 when you need a new one for your
electric drill!

Harry C.