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On Wednesday, October 26, 2022 at 1:26:22 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 26 Oct 2022 09:46:50 -0700, John Robertson <j...@flippers.com
wrote:
On 2022/10/25 9:35 p.m., Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Wednesday, October 26, 2022 at 2:51:10 PM UTC+11, John Larkin wrote:
On Tue, 25 Oct 2022 19:30:38 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
A new study from California showed that some household gas stoves leak dangerous air pollutants such as benzene, which is linked to cancer.
Their analyses identified 12 different hazardous air pollutants, a designation by the Environmental Protection Agency of air toxins known to cause cancer and other serious health impacts.
The study was intended to spur policymakers, as household leakage of natural gas is not calculated in emissions data.
Research funded by:
https://www.psehealthyenergy.org/
https://www.webmd.com/cancer/news/20221021/gas-stoves-can-emit-high-levels-of-cancer-causing-benzene
There is really no safe threshold is a common call to public action.
Things have been banned that have a national death rate of nanodeaths.
And we still sell and tax cigarettes.
Not to mention ethyl alcohol. Prohibition was tried, and didn\'t work. The \"War on Drugs\" ignored that lesson. Taxing cigarettes hard enough to reduce consumption creates a market for bootleg cigarettes.
One could argue that the War On Drugs was possibly a War on Democrats...
what percentage of the people arrested and convicted on drugs charges
(and thus can no longer vote) would turn out to be Democrats?
Who started the War On Drugs? Nixon. Who gave it a real boost? Reagan.
At least that is what it looks like from outside the USA to one Canadian.
John :-#(#
The progressive concept is that street drugs should be allowed, with
free needles. The conservative concept is that street drugs are
illegal and socially destructive and deadly.
Heroin, speed, crack, oxy, and fentanyl do a lot of damage and make a
lot of people miserable. In the USA, illegal drug deaths now exceed
car crash deaths. Covid was a blip compared to drug deaths. Who was
right?
Are those drugs legal in Canada?
You can\'t protect people from themselves.
On Tuesday, October 25, 2022 at 11:51:10 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
On Tue, 25 Oct 2022 19:30:38 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
A new study from California showed that some household gas stoves leak dangerous air pollutants such as benzene, which is linked to cancer.
Their analyses identified 12 different hazardous air pollutants, a designation by the Environmental Protection Agency of air toxins known to cause cancer and other serious health impacts.
The study was intended to spur policymakers, as household leakage of natural gas is not calculated in emissions data.
Research funded by:
https://www.psehealthyenergy.org/
https://www.webmd.com/cancer/news/20221021/gas-stoves-can-emit-high-levels-of-cancer-causing-benzene
There is really no safe threshold is a common call to public action.
Things have been banned that have a national death rate of nanodeaths.
It\'s that last statement that gives it away. It sounds like their first step is to go after requiring the leakage be included in an emissions assessment of the appliance so it will lose approval for sale under existing California law. Changing a regulation, what types of emission does or does not get included, is a relatively low level form of political process.
On 10/26/2022 9:56 AM, bitrex wrote:
More like a \"War on the Poor.\" I\'ve had the displeasure of meeting a
number of wealthy druggies in my life, they rarely end up in prison.
But, can end up *dead*! A neighbor (established *doctor*) is addicted
to H.
Has succeeded in losing two of his sons to it. Good role model, eh?
Wife fails to see the connection -- despite the funerals.
They more often end up in cushy clinics and from time to time do
manage to get clean, and then tell anyone who will listen about what a
hero they are for doing it, God must have saved me, bla bla bla.
Addiction must be something intense (?) as it seems so hard for \"addicts\"
(to <whatever>) to kick their habits. Especially when they KNOW them to be
bad/deadly for their own interests!
A friend\'s son is addicted to crack. Listening to him talk about it
(and the despair in his voice while doing so) is hard to understand
the appeal -- or, the \"hold\".
I do have a question: If drugs were legal (but under some control, as
for alcohol and weed), how long would the drug cartels et al survive?
The raw materials are quite cheap.
So if there is demand there will be supply, like anything else.
Fentanyl is just a hint of what\'s coming. Drugs that are incredibly
pleasurable and instantly addictive.
On 10/26/2022 2:45 PM, Don Y wrote:
On 10/26/2022 9:56 AM, bitrex wrote:
More like a \"War on the Poor.\" I\'ve had the displeasure of meeting a
number of wealthy druggies in my life, they rarely end up in prison.
But, can end up *dead*! A neighbor (established *doctor*) is addicted
to H.
Has succeeded in losing two of his sons to it. Good role model, eh?
Wife fails to see the connection -- despite the funerals.
They more often end up in cushy clinics and from time to time do
manage to get clean, and then tell anyone who will listen about what a
hero they are for doing it, God must have saved me, bla bla bla.
Addiction must be something intense (?) as it seems so hard for \"addicts\"
(to <whatever>) to kick their habits. Especially when they KNOW them to be
bad/deadly for their own interests!
I gave up smoking & alcohol entirely many years ago and one of the
silliest questions I\'ve get asked about that from time to time is \"So
you feel better, now?\"
No I don\'t \"feel better\"! My physical and mental condition is surely
significantly \"better\" in an objective medical sense than if I hadn\'t
but that doesn\'t mean I always \"feel better.\"
If everyone felt \"better\" not doing those things vs. doing them that\'d
sure make it easy..
A friend\'s son is addicted to crack. Listening to him talk about it
(and the despair in his voice while doing so) is hard to understand
the appeal -- or, the \"hold\".
Need something in life to get up in the morning and live for other than
getting lit.
On 10/26/2022 2:39 PM, John Larkin wrote:
I do have a question: If drugs were legal (but under some control, as
for alcohol and weed), how long would the drug cartels et al survive?
The raw materials are quite cheap.
So if there is demand there will be supply, like anything else.
Fentanyl is just a hint of what\'s coming. Drugs that are incredibly
pleasurable and instantly addictive.
Fentanyl wasn\'t designed by some cartel, it was designed by the
pharmaceutical industry and has legitimate medical uses.
Killing your customers quickly doesn\'t seem a great business model.
On Wed, 26 Oct 2022 09:46:50 -0700, John Robertson <j...@flippers.com
wrote:
On 2022/10/25 9:35 p.m., Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Wednesday, October 26, 2022 at 2:51:10 PM UTC+11, John Larkin wrote:
On Tue, 25 Oct 2022 19:30:38 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
A new study from California showed that some household gas stoves leak dangerous air pollutants such as benzene, which is linked to cancer.
Their analyses identified 12 different âhazardous air pollutants,â a designation by the Environmental Protection Agency of air toxins known to cause cancer and other serious health impacts.
The study was intended to spur policymakers, as household leakage of natural gas is not calculated in emissions data.
Research funded by:
https://www.psehealthyenergy.org/
https://www.webmd.com/cancer/news/20221021/gas-stoves-can-emit-high-levels-of-cancer-causing-benzene
âThere is really no safe thresholdâ is a common call to public action.
Things have been banned that have a national death rate of nanodeaths..
And we still sell and tax cigarettes.
Not to mention ethyl alcohol. Prohibition was tried, and didn\'t work. The \"War on Drugs\" ignored that lesson. Taxing cigarettes hard enough to reduce consumption creates a market for bootleg cigarettes.
One could argue that the War On Drugs was possibly a War on Democrats...
what percentage of the people arrested and convicted on drugs charges
(and thus can no longer vote) would turn out to be Democrats?
Who started the War On Drugs? Nixon. Who gave it a real boost? Reagan.
At least that is what it looks like from outside the USA to one Canadian..
John :-#(#
The progressive concept is that street drugs should be allowed, with
free needles. The conservative concept is that street drugs are
illegal and socially destructive and deadly.
Heroin, speed, crack, oxy, and fentanyl do a lot of damage and make a
lot of people miserable. In the USA, illegal drug deaths now exceed
car crash deaths. Covid was a blip compared to drug deaths. Who was
right?
Are those drugs legal in Canada?
On Thu, 27 Oct 2022 10:38:40 -0400, bitrex <us...@example.net> wrote:
On 10/26/2022 2:45 PM, Don Y wrote:
On 10/26/2022 9:56 AM, bitrex wrote:
More like a \"War on the Poor.\" I\'ve had the displeasure of meeting a
number of wealthy druggies in my life, they rarely end up in prison.
But, can end up *dead*! A neighbor (established *doctor*) is addicted
to H.
Has succeeded in losing two of his sons to it. Good role model, eh?
Wife fails to see the connection -- despite the funerals.
They more often end up in cushy clinics and from time to time do
manage to get clean, and then tell anyone who will listen about what a
hero they are for doing it, God must have saved me, bla bla bla.
Addiction must be something intense (?) as it seems so hard for \"addicts\"
(to <whatever>) to kick their habits. Especially when they KNOW them to be
bad/deadly for their own interests!
I gave up smoking & alcohol entirely many years ago and one of the
silliest questions I\'ve get asked about that from time to time is \"So
you feel better, now?\"
No I don\'t \"feel better\"! My physical and mental condition is surely
significantly \"better\" in an objective medical sense than if I hadn\'t
but that doesn\'t mean I always \"feel better.\"
If everyone felt \"better\" not doing those things vs. doing them that\'d
sure make it easy..
A friend\'s son is addicted to crack. Listening to him talk about it
(and the despair in his voice while doing so) is hard to understand
the appeal -- or, the \"hold\".
Need something in life to get up in the morning and live for other than
getting lit.
Coffee.
I found electronics design, it probably saved my life.
It is amusing and rewarding. Imagine being an insurance salesman or
something.
On Thursday, October 27, 2022 at 11:33:44 AM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
On Thu, 27 Oct 2022 10:38:40 -0400, bitrex <us...@example.net> wrote:
On 10/26/2022 2:45 PM, Don Y wrote:
On 10/26/2022 9:56 AM, bitrex wrote:
More like a \"War on the Poor.\" I\'ve had the displeasure of meeting a
number of wealthy druggies in my life, they rarely end up in prison.
But, can end up *dead*! A neighbor (established *doctor*) is addicted
to H.
Has succeeded in losing two of his sons to it. Good role model, eh?
Wife fails to see the connection -- despite the funerals.
They more often end up in cushy clinics and from time to time do
manage to get clean, and then tell anyone who will listen about what a
hero they are for doing it, God must have saved me, bla bla bla.
Addiction must be something intense (?) as it seems so hard for \"addicts\"
(to <whatever>) to kick their habits. Especially when they KNOW them to be
bad/deadly for their own interests!
I gave up smoking & alcohol entirely many years ago and one of the
silliest questions I\'ve get asked about that from time to time is \"So
you feel better, now?\"
No I don\'t \"feel better\"! My physical and mental condition is surely
significantly \"better\" in an objective medical sense than if I hadn\'t
but that doesn\'t mean I always \"feel better.\"
If everyone felt \"better\" not doing those things vs. doing them that\'d
sure make it easy..
A friend\'s son is addicted to crack. Listening to him talk about it
(and the despair in his voice while doing so) is hard to understand
the appeal -- or, the \"hold\".
Need something in life to get up in the morning and live for other than
getting lit.
Coffee.
I found electronics design, it probably saved my life.
It is amusing and rewarding. Imagine being an insurance salesman or
something.
You keep dissing the insurance industry like it\'s some kind of standard for the rock bottom or something.
On Thu, 27 Oct 2022 10:53:47 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:
On 10/26/2022 2:39 PM, John Larkin wrote:
I do have a question: If drugs were legal (but under some control, as
for alcohol and weed), how long would the drug cartels et al survive?
The raw materials are quite cheap.
So if there is demand there will be supply, like anything else.
Fentanyl is just a hint of what\'s coming. Drugs that are incredibly
pleasurable and instantly addictive.
Fentanyl wasn\'t designed by some cartel, it was designed by the
pharmaceutical industry and has legitimate medical uses.
Killing your customers quickly doesn\'t seem a great business model.
The business optimum is probably to kill about 2 per cent per year.
On Thu, 27 Oct 2022 09:41:59 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thursday, October 27, 2022 at 11:33:44 AM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
On Thu, 27 Oct 2022 10:38:40 -0400, bitrex <us...@example.net> wrote:
On 10/26/2022 2:45 PM, Don Y wrote:
On 10/26/2022 9:56 AM, bitrex wrote:
More like a \"War on the Poor.\" I\'ve had the displeasure of meeting a
number of wealthy druggies in my life, they rarely end up in prison.
But, can end up *dead*! A neighbor (established *doctor*) is addicted
to H.
Has succeeded in losing two of his sons to it. Good role model, eh?
Wife fails to see the connection -- despite the funerals.
They more often end up in cushy clinics and from time to time do
manage to get clean, and then tell anyone who will listen about what a
hero they are for doing it, God must have saved me, bla bla bla.
Addiction must be something intense (?) as it seems so hard for \"addicts\"
(to <whatever>) to kick their habits. Especially when they KNOW them to be
bad/deadly for their own interests!
I gave up smoking & alcohol entirely many years ago and one of the
silliest questions I\'ve get asked about that from time to time is \"So
you feel better, now?\"
No I don\'t \"feel better\"! My physical and mental condition is surely
significantly \"better\" in an objective medical sense than if I hadn\'t
but that doesn\'t mean I always \"feel better.\"
If everyone felt \"better\" not doing those things vs. doing them that\'d
sure make it easy..
A friend\'s son is addicted to crack. Listening to him talk about it
(and the despair in his voice while doing so) is hard to understand
the appeal -- or, the \"hold\".
Need something in life to get up in the morning and live for other than
getting lit.
Coffee.
I found electronics design, it probably saved my life.
It is amusing and rewarding. Imagine being an insurance salesman or
something.
You keep dissing the insurance industry like it\'s some kind of standard for the rock bottom or something.
It would be intensely boring for me. I like to build things. People
are different.
On 10/26/2022 2:45 PM, Don Y wrote:
On 10/26/2022 9:56 AM, bitrex wrote:
More like a \"War on the Poor.\" I\'ve had the displeasure of meeting a number
of wealthy druggies in my life, they rarely end up in prison.
But, can end up *dead*! A neighbor (established *doctor*) is addicted to H.
Has succeeded in losing two of his sons to it. Good role model, eh?
Wife fails to see the connection -- despite the funerals.
They more often end up in cushy clinics and from time to time do manage to
get clean, and then tell anyone who will listen about what a hero they are
for doing it, God must have saved me, bla bla bla.
Addiction must be something intense (?) as it seems so hard for \"addicts\"
(to <whatever>) to kick their habits. Especially when they KNOW them to be
bad/deadly for their own interests!
I gave up smoking & alcohol entirely many years ago and one of the silliest
questions I\'ve get asked about that from time to time is \"So you feel better,
now?\"
No I don\'t \"feel better\"! My physical and mental condition is surely
significantly \"better\" in an objective medical sense than if I hadn\'t but that
doesn\'t mean I always \"feel better.\"
If everyone felt \"better\" not doing those things vs. doing them that\'d sure
make it easy..
A friend\'s son is addicted to crack. Listening to him talk about it
(and the despair in his voice while doing so) is hard to understand
the appeal -- or, the \"hold\".
Need something in life to get up in the morning and live for other than getting
lit. I found electronics design, it probably saved my life.
On Wed, 26 Oct 2022 16:51:21 -0400, Joe Gwinn <joegwinn@comcast.net
wrote:
On Wed, 26 Oct 2022 11:39:20 -0700, John Larkin
jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com> wrote:
On Wed, 26 Oct 2022 14:04:54 -0400, Joe Gwinn <joegwinn@comcast.net
wrote:
On Wed, 26 Oct 2022 10:26:15 -0700, John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> wrote:
On Wed, 26 Oct 2022 09:46:50 -0700, John Robertson <jrr@flippers.com
wrote:
On 2022/10/25 9:35 p.m., Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Wednesday, October 26, 2022 at 2:51:10 PM UTC+11, John Larkin wrote:
On Tue, 25 Oct 2022 19:30:38 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
A new study from California showed that some household gas stoves leak dangerous air pollutants such as benzene, which is linked to cancer.
Their analyses identified 12 different hazardous air pollutants, a designation by the Environmental Protection Agency of air toxins known to cause cancer and other serious health impacts.
The study was intended to spur policymakers, as household leakage of natural gas is not calculated in emissions data.
Research funded by:
https://www.psehealthyenergy.org/
https://www.webmd.com/cancer/news/20221021/gas-stoves-can-emit-high-levels-of-cancer-causing-benzene
There is really no safe threshold is a common call to public action.
Things have been banned that have a national death rate of nanodeaths.
And we still sell and tax cigarettes.
Not to mention ethyl alcohol. Prohibition was tried, and didn\'t work. The \"War on Drugs\" ignored that lesson. Taxing cigarettes hard enough to reduce consumption creates a market for bootleg cigarettes.
One could argue that the War On Drugs was possibly a War on Democrats...
what percentage of the people arrested and convicted on drugs charges
(and thus can no longer vote) would turn out to be Democrats?
Who started the War On Drugs? Nixon. Who gave it a real boost? Reagan.
At least that is what it looks like from outside the USA to one Canadian.
John :-#(#
The progressive concept is that street drugs should be allowed, with
free needles. The conservative concept is that street drugs are
illegal and socially destructive and deadly.
Heroin, speed, crack, oxy, and fentanyl do a lot of damage and make a
lot of people miserable. In the USA, illegal drug deaths now exceed
car crash deaths. Covid was a blip compared to drug deaths. Who was
right?
Are those drugs legal in Canada?
I do have a question: If drugs were legal (but under some control, as
for alcohol and weed), how long would the drug cartels et al survive?
The raw materials are quite cheap.
So if there is demand there will be supply, like anything else.
Fentanyl is just a hint of what\'s coming. Drugs that are incredibly
pleasurable and instantly addictive.
And Fentanyl is quite cheap and easy to manufacture, greatly hindering
attempts to limit supply.
Arrest anyone who sells it. Prosecute for attempted murder, or actual
murder.
Right now, we are doing almost nothing, and people are dying in the
streets.
On Wed, 26 Oct 2022 16:56:35 -0700, John Larkin
jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com> wrote:
On Wed, 26 Oct 2022 16:51:21 -0400, Joe Gwinn <joegwinn@comcast.net
wrote:
On Wed, 26 Oct 2022 11:39:20 -0700, John Larkin
jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com> wrote:
On Wed, 26 Oct 2022 14:04:54 -0400, Joe Gwinn <joegwinn@comcast.net
wrote:
On Wed, 26 Oct 2022 10:26:15 -0700, John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> wrote:
On Wed, 26 Oct 2022 09:46:50 -0700, John Robertson <jrr@flippers.com
wrote:
On 2022/10/25 9:35 p.m., Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Wednesday, October 26, 2022 at 2:51:10 PM UTC+11, John Larkin wrote:
On Tue, 25 Oct 2022 19:30:38 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
A new study from California showed that some household gas stoves leak dangerous air pollutants such as benzene, which is linked to cancer.
Their analyses identified 12 different hazardous air pollutants, a designation by the Environmental Protection Agency of air toxins known to cause cancer and other serious health impacts.
The study was intended to spur policymakers, as household leakage of natural gas is not calculated in emissions data.
Research funded by:
https://www.psehealthyenergy.org/
https://www.webmd.com/cancer/news/20221021/gas-stoves-can-emit-high-levels-of-cancer-causing-benzene
There is really no safe threshold is a common call to public action.
Things have been banned that have a national death rate of nanodeaths.
And we still sell and tax cigarettes.
Not to mention ethyl alcohol. Prohibition was tried, and didn\'t work. The \"War on Drugs\" ignored that lesson. Taxing cigarettes hard enough to reduce consumption creates a market for bootleg cigarettes.
One could argue that the War On Drugs was possibly a War on Democrats...
what percentage of the people arrested and convicted on drugs charges
(and thus can no longer vote) would turn out to be Democrats?
Who started the War On Drugs? Nixon. Who gave it a real boost? Reagan.
At least that is what it looks like from outside the USA to one Canadian.
John :-#(#
The progressive concept is that street drugs should be allowed, with
free needles. The conservative concept is that street drugs are
illegal and socially destructive and deadly.
Heroin, speed, crack, oxy, and fentanyl do a lot of damage and make a
lot of people miserable. In the USA, illegal drug deaths now exceed
car crash deaths. Covid was a blip compared to drug deaths. Who was
right?
Are those drugs legal in Canada?
I do have a question: If drugs were legal (but under some control, as
for alcohol and weed), how long would the drug cartels et al survive?
The raw materials are quite cheap.
So if there is demand there will be supply, like anything else.
Fentanyl is just a hint of what\'s coming. Drugs that are incredibly
pleasurable and instantly addictive.
And Fentanyl is quite cheap and easy to manufacture, greatly hindering
attempts to limit supply.
Arrest anyone who sells it. Prosecute for attempted murder, or actual
murder.
Already illegal, and people do get arrested.
In the law, this is not murder - the dealer does not intend to kill.
This would be manslaughter, also known as negligent homicide. Same as
for automobile accidents.
On Wednesday, October 26, 2022 at 1:26:22 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 26 Oct 2022 09:46:50 -0700, John Robertson <j...@flippers.com
wrote:
On 2022/10/25 9:35 p.m., Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Wednesday, October 26, 2022 at 2:51:10 PM UTC+11, John Larkin wrote:
On Tue, 25 Oct 2022 19:30:38 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
A new study from California showed that some household gas stoves leak dangerous air pollutants such as benzene, which is linked to cancer.
Their analyses identified 12 different hazardous air pollutants, a designation by the Environmental Protection Agency of air toxins known to cause cancer and other serious health impacts.
The study was intended to spur policymakers, as household leakage of natural gas is not calculated in emissions data.
Research funded by:
https://www.psehealthyenergy.org/
https://www.webmd.com/cancer/news/20221021/gas-stoves-can-emit-high-levels-of-cancer-causing-benzene
There is really no safe threshold is a common call to public action.
Things have been banned that have a national death rate of nanodeaths.
And we still sell and tax cigarettes.
Not to mention ethyl alcohol. Prohibition was tried, and didn\'t work. The \"War on Drugs\" ignored that lesson. Taxing cigarettes hard enough to reduce consumption creates a market for bootleg cigarettes.
One could argue that the War On Drugs was possibly a War on Democrats...
what percentage of the people arrested and convicted on drugs charges
(and thus can no longer vote) would turn out to be Democrats?
Who started the War On Drugs? Nixon. Who gave it a real boost? Reagan.
At least that is what it looks like from outside the USA to one Canadian.
John :-#(#
The progressive concept is that street drugs should be allowed, with
free needles. The conservative concept is that street drugs are
illegal and socially destructive and deadly.
It\'s not a progressive concept, it\'s a smart scientific concept supported by every public health association out there
On Thu, 27 Oct 2022 09:21:29 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wednesday, October 26, 2022 at 1:26:22 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 26 Oct 2022 09:46:50 -0700, John Robertson <j...@flippers.com
wrote:
On 2022/10/25 9:35 p.m., Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Wednesday, October 26, 2022 at 2:51:10 PM UTC+11, John Larkin wrote:
On Tue, 25 Oct 2022 19:30:38 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
A new study from California showed that some household gas stoves leak dangerous air pollutants such as benzene, which is linked to cancer.
Their analyses identified 12 different âhazardous air pollutants,â a designation by the Environmental Protection Agency of air toxins known to cause cancer and other serious health impacts.
The study was intended to spur policymakers, as household leakage of natural gas is not calculated in emissions data.
Research funded by:
https://www.psehealthyenergy.org/
https://www.webmd.com/cancer/news/20221021/gas-stoves-can-emit-high-levels-of-cancer-causing-benzene
âThere is really no safe thresholdâ is a common call to public action.
Things have been banned that have a national death rate of nanodeaths.
And we still sell and tax cigarettes.
Not to mention ethyl alcohol. Prohibition was tried, and didn\'t work. The \"War on Drugs\" ignored that lesson. Taxing cigarettes hard enough to reduce consumption creates a market for bootleg cigarettes.
One could argue that the War On Drugs was possibly a War on Democrats...
what percentage of the people arrested and convicted on drugs charges
(and thus can no longer vote) would turn out to be Democrats?
Who started the War On Drugs? Nixon. Who gave it a real boost? Reagan.
At least that is what it looks like from outside the USA to one Canadian.
John :-#(#
The progressive concept is that street drugs should be allowed, with
free needles. The conservative concept is that street drugs are
illegal and socially destructive and deadly.
It\'s not a progressive concept, it\'s a smart scientific concept supported by every public health association out there
for fun and profit.
San francisco has about 700 OD deaths a year, roughly 1% of the
population. The \"smart scientific concept\" sucks.
On Thu, 27 Oct 2022 15:39:49 -0400, Joe Gwinn <joegwinn@comcast.net
wrote:
On Wed, 26 Oct 2022 16:56:35 -0700, John Larkin
jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com> wrote:
On Wed, 26 Oct 2022 16:51:21 -0400, Joe Gwinn <joegwinn@comcast.net
wrote:
On Wed, 26 Oct 2022 11:39:20 -0700, John Larkin
jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com> wrote:
On Wed, 26 Oct 2022 14:04:54 -0400, Joe Gwinn <joegwinn@comcast.net
wrote:
On Wed, 26 Oct 2022 10:26:15 -0700, John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> wrote:
On Wed, 26 Oct 2022 09:46:50 -0700, John Robertson <jrr@flippers.com
wrote:
On 2022/10/25 9:35 p.m., Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Wednesday, October 26, 2022 at 2:51:10 PM UTC+11, John Larkin wrote:
On Tue, 25 Oct 2022 19:30:38 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
A new study from California showed that some household gas stoves leak dangerous air pollutants such as benzene, which is linked to cancer.
Their analyses identified 12 different hazardous air pollutants, a designation by the Environmental Protection Agency of air toxins known to cause cancer and other serious health impacts.
The study was intended to spur policymakers, as household leakage of natural gas is not calculated in emissions data.
Research funded by:
https://www.psehealthyenergy.org/
https://www.webmd.com/cancer/news/20221021/gas-stoves-can-emit-high-levels-of-cancer-causing-benzene
There is really no safe threshold is a common call to public action.
Things have been banned that have a national death rate of nanodeaths.
And we still sell and tax cigarettes.
Not to mention ethyl alcohol. Prohibition was tried, and didn\'t work. The \"War on Drugs\" ignored that lesson. Taxing cigarettes hard enough to reduce consumption creates a market for bootleg cigarettes.
One could argue that the War On Drugs was possibly a War on Democrats...
what percentage of the people arrested and convicted on drugs charges
(and thus can no longer vote) would turn out to be Democrats?
Who started the War On Drugs? Nixon. Who gave it a real boost? Reagan.
At least that is what it looks like from outside the USA to one Canadian.
John :-#(#
The progressive concept is that street drugs should be allowed, with
free needles. The conservative concept is that street drugs are
illegal and socially destructive and deadly.
Heroin, speed, crack, oxy, and fentanyl do a lot of damage and make a
lot of people miserable. In the USA, illegal drug deaths now exceed
car crash deaths. Covid was a blip compared to drug deaths. Who was
right?
Are those drugs legal in Canada?
I do have a question: If drugs were legal (but under some control, as
for alcohol and weed), how long would the drug cartels et al survive?
The raw materials are quite cheap.
So if there is demand there will be supply, like anything else.
Fentanyl is just a hint of what\'s coming. Drugs that are incredibly
pleasurable and instantly addictive.
And Fentanyl is quite cheap and easy to manufacture, greatly hindering
attempts to limit supply.
Arrest anyone who sells it. Prosecute for attempted murder, or actual
murder.
Already illegal, and people do get arrested.
In the law, this is not murder - the dealer does not intend to kill.
They surely know that they are killing people to make money. Call it
whatever you like, but stop it.
This would be manslaughter, also known as negligent homicide. Same as
for automobile accidents.
Not may people drive around knowing that they will kill people. One
good fentanyl dealer has probably killed scores and knows it.
Homelessness and associated drug addictions are the basis of all sorts
of industries, including the \"care\" buiness. Billions go to
consultants, providers, NGOs, lawyers, city employees, politicians,
clinics. They don\'t want the drug supply cut off so argue that it
would be ineffective or impossible.
The homeless are what the cows are to the gourmet cheese business.
On Thu, 27 Oct 2022 13:50:01 -0700, John Larkin
jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com> wrote:
On Thu, 27 Oct 2022 15:39:49 -0400, Joe Gwinn <joeg...@comcast.net
wrote:
On Wed, 26 Oct 2022 16:56:35 -0700, John Larkin
jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com> wrote:
On Wed, 26 Oct 2022 16:51:21 -0400, Joe Gwinn <joeg...@comcast.net
wrote:
On Wed, 26 Oct 2022 11:39:20 -0700, John Larkin
jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com> wrote:
On Wed, 26 Oct 2022 14:04:54 -0400, Joe Gwinn <joeg...@comcast.net
wrote:
On Wed, 26 Oct 2022 10:26:15 -0700, John Larkin
jla...@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> wrote:
On Wed, 26 Oct 2022 09:46:50 -0700, John Robertson <j...@flippers.com
wrote:
On 2022/10/25 9:35 p.m., Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Wednesday, October 26, 2022 at 2:51:10 PM UTC+11, John Larkin wrote:
On Tue, 25 Oct 2022 19:30:38 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
A new study from California showed that some household gas stoves leak dangerous air pollutants such as benzene, which is linked to cancer.
Their analyses identified 12 different âhazardous air pollutants,â a designation by the Environmental Protection Agency of air toxins known to cause cancer and other serious health impacts.
The study was intended to spur policymakers, as household leakage of natural gas is not calculated in emissions data.
Research funded by:
https://www.psehealthyenergy.org/
https://www.webmd.com/cancer/news/20221021/gas-stoves-can-emit-high-levels-of-cancer-causing-benzene
âThere is really no safe thresholdâ is a common call to public action.
Things have been banned that have a national death rate of nanodeaths.
And we still sell and tax cigarettes.
Not to mention ethyl alcohol. Prohibition was tried, and didn\'t work. The \"War on Drugs\" ignored that lesson. Taxing cigarettes hard enough to reduce consumption creates a market for bootleg cigarettes.
One could argue that the War On Drugs was possibly a War on Democrats...
what percentage of the people arrested and convicted on drugs charges
(and thus can no longer vote) would turn out to be Democrats?
Who started the War On Drugs? Nixon. Who gave it a real boost? Reagan.
At least that is what it looks like from outside the USA to one Canadian.
John :-#(#
The progressive concept is that street drugs should be allowed, with
free needles. The conservative concept is that street drugs are
illegal and socially destructive and deadly.
Heroin, speed, crack, oxy, and fentanyl do a lot of damage and make a
lot of people miserable. In the USA, illegal drug deaths now exceed
car crash deaths. Covid was a blip compared to drug deaths. Who was
right?
Are those drugs legal in Canada?
I do have a question: If drugs were legal (but under some control, as
for alcohol and weed), how long would the drug cartels et al survive?
The raw materials are quite cheap.
So if there is demand there will be supply, like anything else.
Fentanyl is just a hint of what\'s coming. Drugs that are incredibly
pleasurable and instantly addictive.
And Fentanyl is quite cheap and easy to manufacture, greatly hindering
attempts to limit supply.
Arrest anyone who sells it. Prosecute for attempted murder, or actual
murder.
Already illegal, and people do get arrested.
Nor has prohibition ever worked. Smuggling has been with us forever.
.<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smuggling
In the law, this is not murder - the dealer does not intend to kill.
They surely know that they are killing people to make money. Call it
whatever you like, but stop it.
Maybe so, but the law does not work that way.
The reason for the requirement of intent to avoid executing the clumsy
and/or unlucky - the punishment seems excessive for the crime.
This would be manslaughter, also known as negligent homicide. Same as
for automobile accidents.
Not may people drive around knowing that they will kill people. One
good fentanyl dealer has probably killed scores and knows it.
Some maybe, but most don\'t have the means to accurately set the dose
in whatever they are selling.
We have the same problem with heroin, where street heroin was maybe
1%, and sometimes the dealer (or someone in his supply chain) didn\'t
cut (dilute) the drug enough, and their customers overdosed.
Fentanyl is always cut, because 100% Fentanyl is otherwise too
difficult to handle safely.
So it would be hard to know who made the mistake, or prove it beyond
reasonable doubt.
Homelessness and associated drug addictions are the basis of all sorts
of industries, including the \"care\" buiness. Billions go to
consultants, providers, NGOs, lawyers, city employees, politicians,
clinics. They don\'t want the drug supply cut off so argue that it
would be ineffective or impossible.
The homeless are what the cows are to the gourmet cheese business.
Well, there is certainly a large (at least tens of billions of USD per
year at least) war-on-drugs establishment that would disappear
overnight if the war were called off.
On Wednesday, October 26, 2022 at 9:16:21 PM UTC+11, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 26 Oct 2022 01:15:10 -0400, bitrex <us...@example.net> wrote:
On 10/26/2022 12:35 AM, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Wednesday, October 26, 2022 at 2:51:10 PM UTC+11, John Larkin wrote:
On Tue, 25 Oct 2022 19:30:38 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
A new study from California showed that some household gas stoves leak dangerous air pollutants such as benzene, which is linked to cancer.
Their analyses identified 12 different âhazardous air pollutants,â a designation by the Environmental Protection Agency of air toxins known to cause cancer and other serious health impacts.
The study was intended to spur policymakers, as household leakage of natural gas is not calculated in emissions data.
Research funded by:
https://www.psehealthyenergy.org/
https://www.webmd.com/cancer/news/20221021/gas-stoves-can-emit-high-levels-of-cancer-causing-benzene
âThere is really no safe thresholdâ is a common call to public action.
Things have been banned that have a national death rate of nanodeaths.
Not that John Larkin can be bother to cite an example. In a world population of 8 billion, one nanodeath would reflect 8 deaths per year.
And we still sell and tax cigarettes.
Not to mention ethyl alcohol. Prohibition was tried, and didn\'t work.. The \"War on Drugs\" ignored that lesson. Taxing cigarettes hard enough to reduce consumption creates a market for bootleg cigarettes.
Averaged across society, taxing dangerous and addictive substances gives you better outcomes than trying to ban them. The US tends to be sensitive to the desires of rich people who make money out of selling dangerous substances - guns and fossil-carbon fuels come to mind - and the people who do it get a lot of liberty to lie about how dangerous their products are.
A friend\'s father somehow got caught transporting 30 cartons of
cigarettes across state lines, from Virginia to Maryland.
I believe the fine for a first-time offense at the time was around $200
USD...per carton. Meanwhile speeding tickets tend to be a flat hundred
bucks or so for a first -time offense, if you\'re not doing anything
egregiously reckless.
For a country founded by tax-evading tobacco farmers the US
powers-that-be really hate it when people avoid paying tobacco taxes.
Governments struck a devil\'s bargain with the tobacco companies: you can keep giving millions of people cancer if you cut us in on the profits.
The Australian government insisted that the tobacco companies put fairly graphic cancer warning material on cigarette packages.
It wasn\'t any kind of devil\'s bargain - just a recognition that prohibition doesn\'t work.
It was also argued that it saves government money by killing older folks and ending their social security payments.
True. Lung cancer kills pretty fast and there isn\'t much the medical business can do about it, or collect much money out of pretending to try to do anything about it.
Government these days is all about money.
There\'s not a lot of money to made out of having people die after they\'ve only been collecting the pension for a short while. Political parties can\'t campaign on the basis that they\'ve encouraged that particular economy. Government is actually about staying in power, and pretending to be good managers of the economy doesn\'t win a lot of votes - nobody much believes them.
--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
On Wednesday, October 26, 2022 at 5:28:33 AM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Wednesday, October 26, 2022 at 9:16:21 PM UTC+11, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 26 Oct 2022 01:15:10 -0400, bitrex <us...@example.net> wrote:
On 10/26/2022 12:35 AM, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Wednesday, October 26, 2022 at 2:51:10 PM UTC+11, John Larkin wrote:
On Tue, 25 Oct 2022 19:30:38 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
Governments struck a devil\'s bargain with the tobacco companies: you can keep giving millions of people cancer if you cut us in on the profits.
The Australian government insisted that the tobacco companies put fairly graphic cancer warning material on cigarette packages.
So did the US, but addicts don\'t care and the government wants the money.
It wasn\'t any kind of devil\'s bargain - just a recognition that prohibition doesn\'t work.
It was also argued that it saves government money by killing older folks and ending their social security payments.
True. Lung cancer kills pretty fast and there isn\'t much the medical business can do about it, or collect much money out of pretending to try to do anything about it.
Government these days is all about money.
There\'s not a lot of money to made out of having people die after they\'ve only been collecting the pension for a short while. Political parties can\'t campaign on the basis that they\'ve encouraged that particular economy. Government is actually about staying in power, and pretending to be good managers of the economy doesn\'t win a lot of votes - nobody much believes them.
Hardly. The US collect TWELVE BILLION DOLLARS in tobacco tax in 2021. Old fatalities just get replaced by new addicts.