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John Larkin
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On Wed, 26 Oct 2022 12:56:43 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:
Speed and fentanyl and crack make people poor.
Speed and fentanyl and crack make people poor.
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bitrex
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On 10/26/2022 1:16 PM, John Larkin wrote:
The modern dying process is sometimes like that. I had to make the
decision in my late father\'s case, as he didn\'t have a living will and
had never explicitly told me what he wanted in such a situation. But he
preferred to spend our last hours together in the hospital talking about
other topics than some last-ditch surgery, which at age 91 likely had a
relatively low probability of success.
I tended to interpret that as at least a fashion of passive rejection,
and followed my understanding of his wishes to the best of my ability.
On Wed, 26 Oct 2022 12:42:35 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:
On 10/26/2022 12:32 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 26 Oct 2022 11:23:03 -0400, Ralph Mowery
rmowery42@charter.net> wrote:
In article <01b64aa1-e75c-427f-8bfa-de274b55d4aen@googlegroups.com>,
bill.sloman@ieee.org says...
There\'s not a lot of money to made out of having people die after they\'ve only been collecting the pension for a short while. Political parties can\'t campaign on the basis that they\'ve encouraged that particular economy. Government is actually about staying in power, and pretending to be good managers of the economy doesn\'t win a
lot of votes - nobody much believes them.
--
Maybe not for the pensions, but lots for the insurance companies and
medicare. My wife is over 65 and the insurance company spent over $
200,000 on her as of now. About $ 50,000 on me.
Some governments acknowledge that the cheapest end-of-life care is
death.
Do they bill the family for the bullet or do taxpayers cover that
They use drugs. The national health system pays for it.
The modern dying process is sometimes like that. I had to make the
decision in my late father\'s case, as he didn\'t have a living will and
had never explicitly told me what he wanted in such a situation. But he
preferred to spend our last hours together in the hospital talking about
other topics than some last-ditch surgery, which at age 91 likely had a
relatively low probability of success.
I tended to interpret that as at least a fashion of passive rejection,
and followed my understanding of his wishes to the best of my ability.
B
bitrex
Guest
On 10/26/2022 1:43 PM, bitrex wrote:
Incidentally that\'s one of the \"perks\" of having power, sometimes you\'re
the guy everyone is looking at to make the decision on whether your own
parent lives or dies.
Strange sometimes that lots of people seem to want power so bad. The
burdens tend to be high and the perks often aren\'t all that great. Power
usually entails lots of paperwork, too.
On 10/26/2022 1:16 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 26 Oct 2022 12:42:35 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:
On 10/26/2022 12:32 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 26 Oct 2022 11:23:03 -0400, Ralph Mowery
rmowery42@charter.net> wrote:
In article <01b64aa1-e75c-427f-8bfa-de274b55d4aen@googlegroups.com>,
bill.sloman@ieee.org says...
There\'s not a lot of money to made out of having people die after
they\'ve only been collecting the pension for a short while.
Political parties can\'t campaign on the basis that they\'ve
encouraged that particular economy. Government is actually about
staying in power, and pretending to be good managers of the
economy doesn\'t win a
lot of votes - nobody much believes them.
--
Maybe not for the pensions, but lots for the insurance companies and
medicare. My wife is over 65 and the insurance company spent over $
200,000 on her as of now. About $ 50,000 on me.
Some governments acknowledge that the cheapest end-of-life care is
death.
Do they bill the family for the bullet or do taxpayers cover that
They use drugs. The national health system pays for it.
The modern dying process is sometimes like that. I had to make the
decision in my late father\'s case, as he didn\'t have a living will and
had never explicitly told me what he wanted in such a situation. But he
preferred to spend our last hours together in the hospital talking about
other topics than some last-ditch surgery, which at age 91 likely had a
relatively low probability of success.
I tended to interpret that as at least a fashion of passive rejection,
and followed my understanding of his wishes to the best of my ability.
Incidentally that\'s one of the \"perks\" of having power, sometimes you\'re
the guy everyone is looking at to make the decision on whether your own
parent lives or dies.
Strange sometimes that lots of people seem to want power so bad. The
burdens tend to be high and the perks often aren\'t all that great. Power
usually entails lots of paperwork, too.
L
Lasse Langwadt Christensen
Guest
onsdag den 26. oktober 2022 kl. 19.27.47 UTC+2 skrev John Larkin:
with enough money available from a doctor as ADHD medication, painkiller and local anestetic
On Wed, 26 Oct 2022 12:56:43 -0400, bitrex <us...@example.net> wrote:
On 10/26/2022 12:46 PM, John Robertson wrote:
On 2022/10/25 9:35 p.m., Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Wednesday, October 26, 2022 at 2:51:10 PM UTC+11, John Larkin wrote:
On Tue, 25 Oct 2022 19:30:38 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
A new study from California showed that some household gas stoves
leak dangerous air pollutants such as benzene, which is linked to
cancer.
Their analyses identified 12 different âhazardous air pollutants,â a
designation by the Environmental Protection Agency of air toxins
known to cause cancer and other serious health impacts.
The study was intended to spur policymakers, as household leakage of
natural gas is not calculated in emissions data.
Research funded by:
https://www.psehealthyenergy.org/
https://www.webmd.com/cancer/news/20221021/gas-stoves-can-emit-high-levels-of-cancer-causing-benzene
âThere is really no safe thresholdâ is a common call to public action.
Things have been banned that have a national death rate of nanodeaths.
And we still sell and tax cigarettes.
Not to mention ethyl alcohol. Prohibition was tried, and didn\'t work.
The \"War on Drugs\" ignored that lesson. Taxing cigarettes hard enough
to reduce consumption creates a market for bootleg cigarettes.
One could argue that the War On Drugs was possibly a War on Democrats....
what percentage of the people arrested and convicted on drugs charges
(and thus can no longer vote) would turn out to be Democrats?
Who started the War On Drugs? Nixon. Who gave it a real boost? Reagan.
At least that is what it looks like from outside the USA to one Canadian.
John :-#(#
More like a \"War on the Poor.\" I\'ve had the displeasure of meeting a
number of wealthy druggies in my life, they rarely end up in prison.
Speed and fentanyl and crack make people poor.
with enough money available from a doctor as ADHD medication, painkiller and local anestetic
J
Joe Gwinn
Guest
On Wed, 26 Oct 2022 10:26:15 -0700, John Larkin
<jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> wrote:
I do have a question: If drugs were legal (but under some control, as
for alcohol and weed), how long would the drug cartels et al survive?
The raw materials are quite cheap.
Joe Gwinn
<jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> wrote:
On Wed, 26 Oct 2022 09:46:50 -0700, John Robertson <jrr@flippers.com
wrote:
On 2022/10/25 9:35 p.m., Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Wednesday, October 26, 2022 at 2:51:10 PM UTC+11, John Larkin wrote:
On Tue, 25 Oct 2022 19:30:38 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
A new study from California showed that some household gas stoves leak dangerous air pollutants such as benzene, which is linked to cancer.
Their analyses identified 12 different hazardous air pollutants, a designation by the Environmental Protection Agency of air toxins known to cause cancer and other serious health impacts.
The study was intended to spur policymakers, as household leakage of natural gas is not calculated in emissions data.
Research funded by:
https://www.psehealthyenergy.org/
https://www.webmd.com/cancer/news/20221021/gas-stoves-can-emit-high-levels-of-cancer-causing-benzene
There is really no safe threshold is a common call to public action.
Things have been banned that have a national death rate of nanodeaths.
And we still sell and tax cigarettes.
Not to mention ethyl alcohol. Prohibition was tried, and didn\'t work. The \"War on Drugs\" ignored that lesson. Taxing cigarettes hard enough to reduce consumption creates a market for bootleg cigarettes.
One could argue that the War On Drugs was possibly a War on Democrats...
what percentage of the people arrested and convicted on drugs charges
(and thus can no longer vote) would turn out to be Democrats?
Who started the War On Drugs? Nixon. Who gave it a real boost? Reagan.
At least that is what it looks like from outside the USA to one Canadian.
John :-#(#
The progressive concept is that street drugs should be allowed, with
free needles. The conservative concept is that street drugs are
illegal and socially destructive and deadly.
Heroin, speed, crack, oxy, and fentanyl do a lot of damage and make a
lot of people miserable. In the USA, illegal drug deaths now exceed
car crash deaths. Covid was a blip compared to drug deaths. Who was
right?
Are those drugs legal in Canada?
I do have a question: If drugs were legal (but under some control, as
for alcohol and weed), how long would the drug cartels et al survive?
The raw materials are quite cheap.
Joe Gwinn
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John Larkin
Guest
On Wed, 26 Oct 2022 14:04:54 -0400, Joe Gwinn <joegwinn@comcast.net>
wrote:
So if there is demand there will be supply, like anything else.
Fentanyl is just a hint of what\'s coming. Drugs that are incredibly
pleasurable and instantly addictive.
wrote:
On Wed, 26 Oct 2022 10:26:15 -0700, John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> wrote:
On Wed, 26 Oct 2022 09:46:50 -0700, John Robertson <jrr@flippers.com
wrote:
On 2022/10/25 9:35 p.m., Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Wednesday, October 26, 2022 at 2:51:10 PM UTC+11, John Larkin wrote:
On Tue, 25 Oct 2022 19:30:38 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
A new study from California showed that some household gas stoves leak dangerous air pollutants such as benzene, which is linked to cancer.
Their analyses identified 12 different hazardous air pollutants, a designation by the Environmental Protection Agency of air toxins known to cause cancer and other serious health impacts.
The study was intended to spur policymakers, as household leakage of natural gas is not calculated in emissions data.
Research funded by:
https://www.psehealthyenergy.org/
https://www.webmd.com/cancer/news/20221021/gas-stoves-can-emit-high-levels-of-cancer-causing-benzene
There is really no safe threshold is a common call to public action.
Things have been banned that have a national death rate of nanodeaths.
And we still sell and tax cigarettes.
Not to mention ethyl alcohol. Prohibition was tried, and didn\'t work. The \"War on Drugs\" ignored that lesson. Taxing cigarettes hard enough to reduce consumption creates a market for bootleg cigarettes.
One could argue that the War On Drugs was possibly a War on Democrats...
what percentage of the people arrested and convicted on drugs charges
(and thus can no longer vote) would turn out to be Democrats?
Who started the War On Drugs? Nixon. Who gave it a real boost? Reagan.
At least that is what it looks like from outside the USA to one Canadian.
John :-#(#
The progressive concept is that street drugs should be allowed, with
free needles. The conservative concept is that street drugs are
illegal and socially destructive and deadly.
Heroin, speed, crack, oxy, and fentanyl do a lot of damage and make a
lot of people miserable. In the USA, illegal drug deaths now exceed
car crash deaths. Covid was a blip compared to drug deaths. Who was
right?
Are those drugs legal in Canada?
I do have a question: If drugs were legal (but under some control, as
for alcohol and weed), how long would the drug cartels et al survive?
The raw materials are quite cheap.
So if there is demand there will be supply, like anything else.
Fentanyl is just a hint of what\'s coming. Drugs that are incredibly
pleasurable and instantly addictive.
D
Don Y
Guest
On 10/26/2022 11:04 AM, Joe Gwinn wrote:
They would find a way to perpetuate themselves. Either by moving
on to some other \"controlled substance\" *or* by undercutting the
price of the legal variants.
> The raw materials are quite cheap.
But, once \"legalized\", they are then taxed. Witness MJ (it\'s a *weed*!)
And, alcohol is dirt cheap to manufacture.
There will ALWAYS be some portion of the population that abuse
substances. I\'ve known many \"drunks\" that society has continued
to \"enable\". Especially the \"well off\" ones!
I do have a question: If drugs were legal (but under some control, as
for alcohol and weed), how long would the drug cartels et al survive?
They would find a way to perpetuate themselves. Either by moving
on to some other \"controlled substance\" *or* by undercutting the
price of the legal variants.
> The raw materials are quite cheap.
But, once \"legalized\", they are then taxed. Witness MJ (it\'s a *weed*!)
And, alcohol is dirt cheap to manufacture.
There will ALWAYS be some portion of the population that abuse
substances. I\'ve known many \"drunks\" that society has continued
to \"enable\". Especially the \"well off\" ones!
F
Fred Bloggs
Guest
On Wednesday, October 26, 2022 at 12:33:05 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
Scandinavia and the Low countries.
Go east.
On Wed, 26 Oct 2022 11:23:03 -0400, Ralph Mowery
rmow...@charter.net> wrote:
In article <01b64aa1-e75c-427f...@googlegroups.com>,
bill....@ieee.org says...
There\'s not a lot of money to made out of having people die after they\'ve only been collecting the pension for a short while. Political parties can\'t campaign on the basis that they\'ve encouraged that particular economy. Government is actually about staying in power, and pretending to be good managers of the economy doesn\'t win a
lot of votes - nobody much believes them.
--
Maybe not for the pensions, but lots for the insurance companies and
medicare. My wife is over 65 and the insurance company spent over $
200,000 on her as of now. About $ 50,000 on me.
Some governments acknowledge that the cheapest end-of-life care is
death.
Scandinavia and the Low countries.
Go east.
D
Don Y
Guest
On 10/26/2022 9:56 AM, bitrex wrote:
But, can end up *dead*! A neighbor (established *doctor*) is addicted to H.
Has succeeded in losing two of his sons to it. Good role model, eh?
Wife fails to see the connection -- despite the funerals.
Addiction must be something intense (?) as it seems so hard for \"addicts\"
(to <whatever>) to kick their habits. Especially when they KNOW them to be
bad/deadly for their own interests!
A friend\'s son is addicted to crack. Listening to him talk about it
(and the despair in his voice while doing so) is hard to understand
the appeal -- or, the \"hold\".
More like a \"War on the Poor.\" I\'ve had the displeasure of meeting a number of
wealthy druggies in my life, they rarely end up in prison.
But, can end up *dead*! A neighbor (established *doctor*) is addicted to H.
Has succeeded in losing two of his sons to it. Good role model, eh?
Wife fails to see the connection -- despite the funerals.
They more often end up in cushy clinics and from time to time do manage to get
clean, and then tell anyone who will listen about what a hero they are for
doing it, God must have saved me, bla bla bla.
Addiction must be something intense (?) as it seems so hard for \"addicts\"
(to <whatever>) to kick their habits. Especially when they KNOW them to be
bad/deadly for their own interests!
A friend\'s son is addicted to crack. Listening to him talk about it
(and the despair in his voice while doing so) is hard to understand
the appeal -- or, the \"hold\".
F
Fred Bloggs
Guest
On Wednesday, October 26, 2022 at 12:48:15 PM UTC-4, John Robertson wrote:
Biden is in the process of pardoning everybody, as much as that\'s possible.
https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2022/10/06/statement-from-president-biden-on-marijuana-reform/
Just say no. Say no to the drugs distributed to the ghettoes by the CIA they mean.
On 2022/10/25 9:35 p.m., Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Wednesday, October 26, 2022 at 2:51:10 PM UTC+11, John Larkin wrote:
On Tue, 25 Oct 2022 19:30:38 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
A new study from California showed that some household gas stoves leak dangerous air pollutants such as benzene, which is linked to cancer.
Their analyses identified 12 different âhazardous air pollutants,â a designation by the Environmental Protection Agency of air toxins known to cause cancer and other serious health impacts.
The study was intended to spur policymakers, as household leakage of natural gas is not calculated in emissions data.
Research funded by:
https://www.psehealthyenergy.org/
https://www.webmd.com/cancer/news/20221021/gas-stoves-can-emit-high-levels-of-cancer-causing-benzene
âThere is really no safe thresholdâ is a common call to public action.
Things have been banned that have a national death rate of nanodeaths.
And we still sell and tax cigarettes.
Not to mention ethyl alcohol. Prohibition was tried, and didn\'t work. The \"War on Drugs\" ignored that lesson. Taxing cigarettes hard enough to reduce consumption creates a market for bootleg cigarettes.
One could argue that the War On Drugs was possibly a War on Democrats...
what percentage of the people arrested and convicted on drugs charges
(and thus can no longer vote) would turn out to be Democrats?
Biden is in the process of pardoning everybody, as much as that\'s possible.
https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2022/10/06/statement-from-president-biden-on-marijuana-reform/
Who started the War On Drugs? Nixon. Who gave it a real boost? Reagan.
Just say no. Say no to the drugs distributed to the ghettoes by the CIA they mean.
At least that is what it looks like from outside the USA to one Canadian.
John :-#(#
F
Fred Bloggs
Guest
On Wednesday, October 26, 2022 at 1:26:22 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
You can\'t protect people from themselves.
On Wed, 26 Oct 2022 09:46:50 -0700, John Robertson <j...@flippers.com
wrote:
On 2022/10/25 9:35 p.m., Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Wednesday, October 26, 2022 at 2:51:10 PM UTC+11, John Larkin wrote:
On Tue, 25 Oct 2022 19:30:38 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
A new study from California showed that some household gas stoves leak dangerous air pollutants such as benzene, which is linked to cancer.
Their analyses identified 12 different âhazardous air pollutants,â a designation by the Environmental Protection Agency of air toxins known to cause cancer and other serious health impacts.
The study was intended to spur policymakers, as household leakage of natural gas is not calculated in emissions data.
Research funded by:
https://www.psehealthyenergy.org/
https://www.webmd.com/cancer/news/20221021/gas-stoves-can-emit-high-levels-of-cancer-causing-benzene
âThere is really no safe thresholdâ is a common call to public action.
Things have been banned that have a national death rate of nanodeaths..
And we still sell and tax cigarettes.
Not to mention ethyl alcohol. Prohibition was tried, and didn\'t work. The \"War on Drugs\" ignored that lesson. Taxing cigarettes hard enough to reduce consumption creates a market for bootleg cigarettes.
One could argue that the War On Drugs was possibly a War on Democrats...
what percentage of the people arrested and convicted on drugs charges
(and thus can no longer vote) would turn out to be Democrats?
Who started the War On Drugs? Nixon. Who gave it a real boost? Reagan.
At least that is what it looks like from outside the USA to one Canadian..
John :-#(#
The progressive concept is that street drugs should be allowed, with
free needles. The conservative concept is that street drugs are
illegal and socially destructive and deadly.
Heroin, speed, crack, oxy, and fentanyl do a lot of damage and make a
lot of people miserable. In the USA, illegal drug deaths now exceed
car crash deaths. Covid was a blip compared to drug deaths. Who was
right?
Are those drugs legal in Canada?
You can\'t protect people from themselves.
F
Fred Bloggs
Guest
On Wednesday, October 26, 2022 at 6:16:21 AM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
There was the famous Life Magazine picture from the 50s on the occasion of President Eisenhower visiting with an Amerindian on the occasion of his 100th birthday. The Indian was wheelchair bound and in his lap is the gift Eisenhower brought, a carton of Winston (RJ Reynolds) IIRC, could have Marlboro ( P-M).
Even trees emit airborne particulates that play a strong role in developing mesothelioma.
I posted a summary of a research article to this \"group\" recently about air pollution contaminants triggering DNA damaged cells to become lung cancer. Cancer is mainly an old people\'s disease because of the accumulated DNA damaged cells- duh. So smoking ( of any sort) causes more DNA damage in the lung, increasing their chances of a triggering event.
The life extension people are doing lots of work on senescent cells and various ways of dealing with it, which may improve the cancer situation.
On Wed, 26 Oct 2022 01:15:10 -0400, bitrex <us...@example.net> wrote:
On 10/26/2022 12:35 AM, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Wednesday, October 26, 2022 at 2:51:10 PM UTC+11, John Larkin wrote:
On Tue, 25 Oct 2022 19:30:38 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
A new study from California showed that some household gas stoves leak dangerous air pollutants such as benzene, which is linked to cancer.
Their analyses identified 12 different âhazardous air pollutants,â a designation by the Environmental Protection Agency of air toxins known to cause cancer and other serious health impacts.
The study was intended to spur policymakers, as household leakage of natural gas is not calculated in emissions data.
Research funded by:
https://www.psehealthyenergy.org/
https://www.webmd.com/cancer/news/20221021/gas-stoves-can-emit-high-levels-of-cancer-causing-benzene
âThere is really no safe thresholdâ is a common call to public action.
Things have been banned that have a national death rate of nanodeaths..
And we still sell and tax cigarettes.
Not to mention ethyl alcohol. Prohibition was tried, and didn\'t work. The \"War on Drugs\" ignored that lesson. Taxing cigarettes hard enough to reduce consumption creates a market for bootleg cigarettes.
Averaged across society, taxing dangerous and addictive substances gives you better outcomes than trying to ban them. The US tends to be sensitive to the desires of rich people who make money out of selling dangerous substances - guns and fossil-carbon fuels come to mind - and the people who do it get a lot of liberty to lie about how dangerous their products are.
A friend\'s father somehow got caught transporting 30 cartons of
cigarettes across state lines, from Virginia to Maryland.
I believe the fine for a first-time offense at the time was around $200
USD...per carton. Meanwhile speeding tickets tend to be a flat hundred
bucks or so for a first -time offense, if you\'re not doing anything
egregiously reckless.
For a country founded by tax-evading tobacco farmers the US
powers-that-be really hate it when people avoid paying tobacco taxes.
Governments struck a devil\'s bargain with the tobacco companies: you
can keep giving millions of people cancer if you cut us in on the
profits.
It was also argued that it saves government money by killing older
folks and ending their social security payments. Government these days
is all about money.
There was the famous Life Magazine picture from the 50s on the occasion of President Eisenhower visiting with an Amerindian on the occasion of his 100th birthday. The Indian was wheelchair bound and in his lap is the gift Eisenhower brought, a carton of Winston (RJ Reynolds) IIRC, could have Marlboro ( P-M).
Even trees emit airborne particulates that play a strong role in developing mesothelioma.
I posted a summary of a research article to this \"group\" recently about air pollution contaminants triggering DNA damaged cells to become lung cancer. Cancer is mainly an old people\'s disease because of the accumulated DNA damaged cells- duh. So smoking ( of any sort) causes more DNA damage in the lung, increasing their chances of a triggering event.
The life extension people are doing lots of work on senescent cells and various ways of dealing with it, which may improve the cancer situation.
F
Fred Bloggs
Guest
On Tuesday, October 25, 2022 at 11:51:10 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
It\'s that last statement that gives it away. It sounds like their first step is to go after requiring the leakage be included in an emissions assessment of the appliance so it will lose approval for sale under existing California law. Changing a regulation, what types of emission does or does not get included, is a relatively low level form of political process.
On Tue, 25 Oct 2022 19:30:38 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
A new study from California showed that some household gas stoves leak dangerous air pollutants such as benzene, which is linked to cancer.
Their analyses identified 12 different âhazardous air pollutants,â a designation by the Environmental Protection Agency of air toxins known to cause cancer and other serious health impacts.
The study was intended to spur policymakers, as household leakage of natural gas is not calculated in emissions data.
Research funded by:
https://www.psehealthyenergy.org/
https://www.webmd.com/cancer/news/20221021/gas-stoves-can-emit-high-levels-of-cancer-causing-benzene
âThere is really no safe thresholdâ is a common call to public action.
Things have been banned that have a national death rate of nanodeaths.
It\'s that last statement that gives it away. It sounds like their first step is to go after requiring the leakage be included in an emissions assessment of the appliance so it will lose approval for sale under existing California law. Changing a regulation, what types of emission does or does not get included, is a relatively low level form of political process.
And we still sell and tax cigarettes.
R
Ricky
Guest
On Wednesday, October 26, 2022 at 12:27:07 PM UTC-4, John Walliker wrote:
Not really. Is this because the pan has to be magnetic, or because it needs some resistance to work well? Both copper and aluminum pans have low resistivity. How about copper bottom, stainless steel? I guess that depends on whether the stainless is magnetic or not?
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On Wednesday, 26 October 2022 at 16:08:06 UTC+1, Ricky wrote:
On Wednesday, October 26, 2022 at 4:09:38 AM UTC-4, John Walliker wrote:
On Wednesday, 26 October 2022 at 08:17:55 UTC+1, Ricky wrote:
I like to cook with gas. Otherwise, I could care less. Even the cooking is not important. I just like that it heats up quickly, even if it is hard to set. With electric, you just dial a number. With gas you have to learn to judge the flame. Fine if you use the same stove over and over, but otherwise, lots of burnt dishes until you adjust.
Electric induction hobs are even faster to heat up than gas, but you do have numbers to
help control the power.
Do they work with aluminum or copper pans?
No - but I\'m sure you already know that.
Not really. Is this because the pan has to be magnetic, or because it needs some resistance to work well? Both copper and aluminum pans have low resistivity. How about copper bottom, stainless steel? I guess that depends on whether the stainless is magnetic or not?
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Ricky
Guest
On Wednesday, October 26, 2022 at 12:48:15 PM UTC-4, John Robertson wrote:
So, between them they solved the drug problem? Oh, you mean a war, like the ones in Vietnam and Afghanistan?
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On 2022/10/25 9:35 p.m., Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Wednesday, October 26, 2022 at 2:51:10 PM UTC+11, John Larkin wrote:
On Tue, 25 Oct 2022 19:30:38 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
A new study from California showed that some household gas stoves leak dangerous air pollutants such as benzene, which is linked to cancer.
Their analyses identified 12 different âhazardous air pollutants,â a designation by the Environmental Protection Agency of air toxins known to cause cancer and other serious health impacts.
The study was intended to spur policymakers, as household leakage of natural gas is not calculated in emissions data.
Research funded by:
https://www.psehealthyenergy.org/
https://www.webmd.com/cancer/news/20221021/gas-stoves-can-emit-high-levels-of-cancer-causing-benzene
âThere is really no safe thresholdâ is a common call to public action.
Things have been banned that have a national death rate of nanodeaths.
And we still sell and tax cigarettes.
Not to mention ethyl alcohol. Prohibition was tried, and didn\'t work. The \"War on Drugs\" ignored that lesson. Taxing cigarettes hard enough to reduce consumption creates a market for bootleg cigarettes.
One could argue that the War On Drugs was possibly a War on Democrats...
what percentage of the people arrested and convicted on drugs charges
(and thus can no longer vote) would turn out to be Democrats?
Who started the War On Drugs? Nixon. Who gave it a real boost? Reagan.
At least that is what it looks like from outside the USA to one Canadian.
So, between them they solved the drug problem? Oh, you mean a war, like the ones in Vietnam and Afghanistan?
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Ricky
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On Wednesday, October 26, 2022 at 2:45:14 PM UTC-4, Don Y wrote:
Of course it is hard. Just look at cigarette smokers! \"I\'d rather fight than switch!\"
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On 10/26/2022 9:56 AM, bitrex wrote:
More like a \"War on the Poor.\" I\'ve had the displeasure of meeting a number of
wealthy druggies in my life, they rarely end up in prison.
But, can end up *dead*! A neighbor (established *doctor*) is addicted to H.
Has succeeded in losing two of his sons to it. Good role model, eh?
Wife fails to see the connection -- despite the funerals.
They more often end up in cushy clinics and from time to time do manage to get
clean, and then tell anyone who will listen about what a hero they are for
doing it, God must have saved me, bla bla bla.
Addiction must be something intense (?) as it seems so hard for \"addicts\"
(to <whatever>) to kick their habits. Especially when they KNOW them to be
bad/deadly for their own interests!
Of course it is hard. Just look at cigarette smokers! \"I\'d rather fight than switch!\"
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Lasse Langwadt Christensen
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onsdag den 26. oktober 2022 kl. 22.21.34 UTC+2 skrev Ricky:
the induction hobs you can buy needs the pan to be magnetic because it heats mostly via hysteresis losses
I think there are some working on ones that will work on any metal but then it\'ll be eddy currents needing
higher frequencies and issues with skin depth so it\'ll be less efficient
On Wednesday, October 26, 2022 at 12:27:07 PM UTC-4, John Walliker wrote:
On Wednesday, 26 October 2022 at 16:08:06 UTC+1, Ricky wrote:
On Wednesday, October 26, 2022 at 4:09:38 AM UTC-4, John Walliker wrote:
On Wednesday, 26 October 2022 at 08:17:55 UTC+1, Ricky wrote:
I like to cook with gas. Otherwise, I could care less. Even the cooking is not important. I just like that it heats up quickly, even if it is hard to set. With electric, you just dial a number. With gas you have to learn to judge the flame. Fine if you use the same stove over and over, but otherwise, lots of burnt dishes until you adjust.
Electric induction hobs are even faster to heat up than gas, but you do have numbers to
help control the power.
Do they work with aluminum or copper pans?
No - but I\'m sure you already know that.
Not really. Is this because the pan has to be magnetic, or because it needs some resistance to work well? Both copper and aluminum pans have low resistivity. How about copper bottom, stainless steel? I guess that depends on whether the stainless is magnetic or not?
the induction hobs you can buy needs the pan to be magnetic because it heats mostly via hysteresis losses
I think there are some working on ones that will work on any metal but then it\'ll be eddy currents needing
higher frequencies and issues with skin depth so it\'ll be less efficient
J
Joe Gwinn
Guest
On Wed, 26 Oct 2022 11:39:20 -0700, John Larkin
<jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com> wrote:
And Fentanyl is quite cheap and easy to manufacture, greatly hindering
attempts to limit supply.
But even though access is impossible to prevent, most to not partake.
Joe Gwinn
<jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com> wrote:
On Wed, 26 Oct 2022 14:04:54 -0400, Joe Gwinn <joegwinn@comcast.net
wrote:
On Wed, 26 Oct 2022 10:26:15 -0700, John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> wrote:
On Wed, 26 Oct 2022 09:46:50 -0700, John Robertson <jrr@flippers.com
wrote:
On 2022/10/25 9:35 p.m., Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Wednesday, October 26, 2022 at 2:51:10 PM UTC+11, John Larkin wrote:
On Tue, 25 Oct 2022 19:30:38 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
A new study from California showed that some household gas stoves leak dangerous air pollutants such as benzene, which is linked to cancer.
Their analyses identified 12 different hazardous air pollutants, a designation by the Environmental Protection Agency of air toxins known to cause cancer and other serious health impacts.
The study was intended to spur policymakers, as household leakage of natural gas is not calculated in emissions data.
Research funded by:
https://www.psehealthyenergy.org/
https://www.webmd.com/cancer/news/20221021/gas-stoves-can-emit-high-levels-of-cancer-causing-benzene
There is really no safe threshold is a common call to public action.
Things have been banned that have a national death rate of nanodeaths.
And we still sell and tax cigarettes.
Not to mention ethyl alcohol. Prohibition was tried, and didn\'t work. The \"War on Drugs\" ignored that lesson. Taxing cigarettes hard enough to reduce consumption creates a market for bootleg cigarettes.
One could argue that the War On Drugs was possibly a War on Democrats...
what percentage of the people arrested and convicted on drugs charges
(and thus can no longer vote) would turn out to be Democrats?
Who started the War On Drugs? Nixon. Who gave it a real boost? Reagan.
At least that is what it looks like from outside the USA to one Canadian.
John :-#(#
The progressive concept is that street drugs should be allowed, with
free needles. The conservative concept is that street drugs are
illegal and socially destructive and deadly.
Heroin, speed, crack, oxy, and fentanyl do a lot of damage and make a
lot of people miserable. In the USA, illegal drug deaths now exceed
car crash deaths. Covid was a blip compared to drug deaths. Who was
right?
Are those drugs legal in Canada?
I do have a question: If drugs were legal (but under some control, as
for alcohol and weed), how long would the drug cartels et al survive?
The raw materials are quite cheap.
So if there is demand there will be supply, like anything else.
Fentanyl is just a hint of what\'s coming. Drugs that are incredibly
pleasurable and instantly addictive.
And Fentanyl is quite cheap and easy to manufacture, greatly hindering
attempts to limit supply.
But even though access is impossible to prevent, most to not partake.
Joe Gwinn
J
John Walliker
Guest
On Wednesday, 26 October 2022 at 21:21:34 UTC+1, Ricky wrote:
Copper bottomed stainless steel doesn\'t work in my experience. The copper shields the stainless
steel. Fundamentally it has to be an impedance matching problem as power needs to be
transferred and then dissipated in the pan base. So a copper or plain aluminium base will reflect
the power back to the source. A magnetic base will concentrate the magnetic flux in the base where
with the right resistivity the power will be dissipated. I have found that cast iron pans work well as do those
with a stainless steel body and a base that seems to be some aluminium alloy with a magnetic insert.
John
On Wednesday, October 26, 2022 at 12:27:07 PM UTC-4, John Walliker wrote:
On Wednesday, 26 October 2022 at 16:08:06 UTC+1, Ricky wrote:
On Wednesday, October 26, 2022 at 4:09:38 AM UTC-4, John Walliker wrote:
On Wednesday, 26 October 2022 at 08:17:55 UTC+1, Ricky wrote:
I like to cook with gas. Otherwise, I could care less. Even the cooking is not important. I just like that it heats up quickly, even if it is hard to set. With electric, you just dial a number. With gas you have to learn to judge the flame. Fine if you use the same stove over and over, but otherwise, lots of burnt dishes until you adjust.
Electric induction hobs are even faster to heat up than gas, but you do have numbers to
help control the power.
Do they work with aluminum or copper pans?
No - but I\'m sure you already know that.
Not really. Is this because the pan has to be magnetic, or because it needs some resistance to work well? Both copper and aluminum pans have low resistivity. How about copper bottom, stainless steel? I guess that depends on whether the stainless is magnetic or not?
Copper bottomed stainless steel doesn\'t work in my experience. The copper shields the stainless
steel. Fundamentally it has to be an impedance matching problem as power needs to be
transferred and then dissipated in the pan base. So a copper or plain aluminium base will reflect
the power back to the source. A magnetic base will concentrate the magnetic flux in the base where
with the right resistivity the power will be dissipated. I have found that cast iron pans work well as do those
with a stainless steel body and a base that seems to be some aluminium alloy with a magnetic insert.
John
J
John Larkin
Guest
On Wed, 26 Oct 2022 16:51:21 -0400, Joe Gwinn <joegwinn@comcast.net>
wrote:
Arrest anyone who sells it. Prosecute for attempted murder, or actual
murder.
Economically punish any country who ships it to us.
Right now, we are doing almost nothing, and people are dying in the
streets.
wrote:
On Wed, 26 Oct 2022 11:39:20 -0700, John Larkin
jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com> wrote:
On Wed, 26 Oct 2022 14:04:54 -0400, Joe Gwinn <joegwinn@comcast.net
wrote:
On Wed, 26 Oct 2022 10:26:15 -0700, John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> wrote:
On Wed, 26 Oct 2022 09:46:50 -0700, John Robertson <jrr@flippers.com
wrote:
On 2022/10/25 9:35 p.m., Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Wednesday, October 26, 2022 at 2:51:10 PM UTC+11, John Larkin wrote:
On Tue, 25 Oct 2022 19:30:38 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
A new study from California showed that some household gas stoves leak dangerous air pollutants such as benzene, which is linked to cancer.
Their analyses identified 12 different hazardous air pollutants, a designation by the Environmental Protection Agency of air toxins known to cause cancer and other serious health impacts.
The study was intended to spur policymakers, as household leakage of natural gas is not calculated in emissions data.
Research funded by:
https://www.psehealthyenergy.org/
https://www.webmd.com/cancer/news/20221021/gas-stoves-can-emit-high-levels-of-cancer-causing-benzene
There is really no safe threshold is a common call to public action.
Things have been banned that have a national death rate of nanodeaths.
And we still sell and tax cigarettes.
Not to mention ethyl alcohol. Prohibition was tried, and didn\'t work. The \"War on Drugs\" ignored that lesson. Taxing cigarettes hard enough to reduce consumption creates a market for bootleg cigarettes.
One could argue that the War On Drugs was possibly a War on Democrats...
what percentage of the people arrested and convicted on drugs charges
(and thus can no longer vote) would turn out to be Democrats?
Who started the War On Drugs? Nixon. Who gave it a real boost? Reagan.
At least that is what it looks like from outside the USA to one Canadian.
John :-#(#
The progressive concept is that street drugs should be allowed, with
free needles. The conservative concept is that street drugs are
illegal and socially destructive and deadly.
Heroin, speed, crack, oxy, and fentanyl do a lot of damage and make a
lot of people miserable. In the USA, illegal drug deaths now exceed
car crash deaths. Covid was a blip compared to drug deaths. Who was
right?
Are those drugs legal in Canada?
I do have a question: If drugs were legal (but under some control, as
for alcohol and weed), how long would the drug cartels et al survive?
The raw materials are quite cheap.
So if there is demand there will be supply, like anything else.
Fentanyl is just a hint of what\'s coming. Drugs that are incredibly
pleasurable and instantly addictive.
And Fentanyl is quite cheap and easy to manufacture, greatly hindering
attempts to limit supply.
Arrest anyone who sells it. Prosecute for attempted murder, or actual
murder.
Economically punish any country who ships it to us.
Right now, we are doing almost nothing, and people are dying in the
streets.