California To Ban Household Gas Stoves Soon...

[Fred Bloggs]

A new study from California showed that some household gas stoves leak dangerous air pollutants such as benzene, which is linked to cancer.

Their analyses identified 12 different “hazardous air pollutants,” a designation by the Environmental Protection Agency of air toxins known to cause cancer and other serious health impacts.

The study was intended to spur policymakers, as household leakage of natural gas is not calculated in emissions data.

Research funded by:
https://www.psehealthyenergy.org/

https://www.webmd.com/cancer/news/20221021/gas-stoves-can-emit-high-levels-of-cancer-causing-benzene

 

[Ricky]

On Tuesday, October 25, 2022 at 10:30:42 PM UTC-4, Fred Bloggs wrote:

A new study from California showed that some household gas stoves leak dangerous air pollutants such as benzene, which is linked to cancer.

Their analyses identified 12 different “hazardous air pollutants,” a designation by the Environmental Protection Agency of air toxins known to cause cancer and other serious health impacts.

The study was intended to spur policymakers, as household leakage of natural gas is not calculated in emissions data.

Research funded by:
https://www.psehealthyenergy.org/

https://www.webmd.com/cancer/news/20221021/gas-stoves-can-emit-high-levels-of-cancer-causing-benzene

Is there anything in these links to support your claim in the subject line?

--

Rick C.

- Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
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[John Larkin]

On Tue, 25 Oct 2022 19:30:38 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
<bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:

A new study from California showed that some household gas stoves leak dangerous air pollutants such as benzene, which is linked to cancer.

Their analyses identified 12 different “hazardous air pollutants,” a designation by the Environmental Protection Agency of air toxins known to cause cancer and other serious health impacts.

The study was intended to spur policymakers, as household leakage of natural gas is not calculated in emissions data.

Research funded by:
https://www.psehealthyenergy.org/

https://www.webmd.com/cancer/news/20221021/gas-stoves-can-emit-high-levels-of-cancer-causing-benzene

“There is really no safe threshold” is a common call to public action.
Things have been banned that have a national death rate of nanodeaths.

And we still sell and tax cigarettes.

 

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Wednesday, October 26, 2022 at 2:51:10 PM UTC+11, John Larkin wrote:

On Tue, 25 Oct 2022 19:30:38 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

A new study from California showed that some household gas stoves leak dangerous air pollutants such as benzene, which is linked to cancer.

Their analyses identified 12 different “hazardous air pollutants,” a designation by the Environmental Protection Agency of air toxins known to cause cancer and other serious health impacts.

The study was intended to spur policymakers, as household leakage of natural gas is not calculated in emissions data.

Research funded by:
https://www.psehealthyenergy.org/

https://www.webmd.com/cancer/news/20221021/gas-stoves-can-emit-high-levels-of-cancer-causing-benzene

“There is really no safe threshold” is a common call to public action.
Things have been banned that have a national death rate of nanodeaths.

And we still sell and tax cigarettes.

Not to mention ethyl alcohol. Prohibition was tried, and didn\'t work. The \"War on Drugs\" ignored that lesson. Taxing cigarettes hard enough to reduce consumption creates a market for bootleg cigarettes.

Averaged across society, taxing dangerous and addictive substances gives you better outcomes than trying to ban them. The US tends to be sensitive to the desires of rich people who make money out of selling dangerous substances - guns and fossil-carbon fuels come to mind - and the people who do it get a lot of liberty to lie about how dangerous their products are.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[bitrex]

On 10/26/2022 12:35 AM, Anthony William Sloman wrote:

On Wednesday, October 26, 2022 at 2:51:10 PM UTC+11, John Larkin wrote:
On Tue, 25 Oct 2022 19:30:38 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

A new study from California showed that some household gas stoves leak dangerous air pollutants such as benzene, which is linked to cancer.

Their analyses identified 12 different “hazardous air pollutants,” a designation by the Environmental Protection Agency of air toxins known to cause cancer and other serious health impacts.

The study was intended to spur policymakers, as household leakage of natural gas is not calculated in emissions data.

Research funded by:
https://www.psehealthyenergy.org/

https://www.webmd.com/cancer/news/20221021/gas-stoves-can-emit-high-levels-of-cancer-causing-benzene

“There is really no safe threshold” is a common call to public action.
Things have been banned that have a national death rate of nanodeaths.

And we still sell and tax cigarettes.

Not to mention ethyl alcohol. Prohibition was tried, and didn\'t work. The \"War on Drugs\" ignored that lesson. Taxing cigarettes hard enough to reduce consumption creates a market for bootleg cigarettes.

Averaged across society, taxing dangerous and addictive substances gives you better outcomes than trying to ban them. The US tends to be sensitive to the desires of rich people who make money out of selling dangerous substances - guns and fossil-carbon fuels come to mind - and the people who do it get a lot of liberty to lie about how dangerous their products are.

A friend\'s father somehow got caught transporting 30 cartons of
cigarettes across state lines, from Virginia to Maryland.

I believe the fine for a first-time offense at the time was around $200
USD...per carton. Meanwhile speeding tickets tend to be a flat hundred
bucks or so for a first -time offense, if you\'re not doing anything
egregiously reckless.

For a country founded by tax-evading tobacco farmers the US
powers-that-be really hate it when people avoid paying tobacco taxes.

 

[corvid]

On 10/25/22 20:47, Ricky wrote:

On Tuesday, October 25, 2022 at 10:30:42 PM UTC-4, Fred Bloggs
wrote:
A new study from California showed that some household gas stoves
leak dangerous air pollutants such as benzene, which is linked to
cancer.

Their analyses identified 12 different “hazardous air pollutants,”
a designation by the Environmental Protection Agency of air toxins
known to cause cancer and other serious health impacts.

The study was intended to spur policymakers, as household leakage
of natural gas is not calculated in emissions data.

Research funded by: https://www.psehealthyenergy.org/

https://www.webmd.com/cancer/news/20221021/gas-stoves-can-emit-high-levels-of-cancer-causing-benzene


Is there anything in these links to support your claim in the subject
line?

It isn\'t difficult to find though.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-09-22/california-moves-to-ban-natural-gas-furnaces-and-heaters-by-2030
^^^^^^^

Thirty years ago, all-electric wasn\'t allowed.
Our building inspector exclaimed \"Oh no!\" when she realized there was no
gas piping to be found.

Everyone else here uses propane.

 

[Ricky]

On Wednesday, October 26, 2022 at 1:44:25 AM UTC-4, corvid wrote:

On 10/25/22 20:47, Ricky wrote:
On Tuesday, October 25, 2022 at 10:30:42 PM UTC-4, Fred Bloggs
wrote:
A new study from California showed that some household gas stoves
leak dangerous air pollutants such as benzene, which is linked to
cancer.

Their analyses identified 12 different “hazardous air pollutants,”
a designation by the Environmental Protection Agency of air toxins
known to cause cancer and other serious health impacts.

The study was intended to spur policymakers, as household leakage
of natural gas is not calculated in emissions data.

Research funded by: https://www.psehealthyenergy.org/

https://www.webmd.com/cancer/news/20221021/gas-stoves-can-emit-high-levels-of-cancer-causing-benzene


Is there anything in these links to support your claim in the subject
line?
It isn\'t difficult to find though.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-09-22/california-moves-to-ban-natural-gas-furnaces-and-heaters-by-2030
^^^^^^^

Sorry, anything that\'s not behind a paywall? \'

Thirty years ago, all-electric wasn\'t allowed.
Our building inspector exclaimed \"Oh no!\" when she realized there was no
gas piping to be found.

Sounds like someone with a mental problem.


> Everyone else here uses propane.

I like to cook with gas. Otherwise, I could care less. Even the cooking is not important. I just like that it heats up quickly, even if it is hard to set. With electric, you just dial a number. With gas you have to learn to judge the flame. Fine if you use the same stove over and over, but otherwise, lots of burnt dishes until you adjust.

--

Rick C.

+ Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
+ Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209

 

[John Walliker]

On Wednesday, 26 October 2022 at 08:17:55 UTC+1, Ricky wrote:
> I like to cook with gas. Otherwise, I could care less. Even the cooking is not important. I just like that it heats up quickly, even if it is hard to set. With electric, you just dial a number. With gas you have to learn to judge the flame. Fine if you use the same stove over and over, but otherwise, lots of burnt dishes until you adjust.

Electric induction hobs are even faster to heat up than gas, but you do have numbers to
help control the power.

John

 

[John Larkin]

On Wed, 26 Oct 2022 01:15:10 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 10/26/2022 12:35 AM, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Wednesday, October 26, 2022 at 2:51:10 PM UTC+11, John Larkin wrote:
On Tue, 25 Oct 2022 19:30:38 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

A new study from California showed that some household gas stoves leak dangerous air pollutants such as benzene, which is linked to cancer.

Their analyses identified 12 different “hazardous air pollutants,” a designation by the Environmental Protection Agency of air toxins known to cause cancer and other serious health impacts.

The study was intended to spur policymakers, as household leakage of natural gas is not calculated in emissions data.

Research funded by:
https://www.psehealthyenergy.org/

https://www.webmd.com/cancer/news/20221021/gas-stoves-can-emit-high-levels-of-cancer-causing-benzene

“There is really no safe threshold” is a common call to public action.
Things have been banned that have a national death rate of nanodeaths.

And we still sell and tax cigarettes.

Not to mention ethyl alcohol. Prohibition was tried, and didn\'t work. The \"War on Drugs\" ignored that lesson. Taxing cigarettes hard enough to reduce consumption creates a market for bootleg cigarettes.

Averaged across society, taxing dangerous and addictive substances gives you better outcomes than trying to ban them. The US tends to be sensitive to the desires of rich people who make money out of selling dangerous substances - guns and fossil-carbon fuels come to mind - and the people who do it get a lot of liberty to lie about how dangerous their products are.


A friend\'s father somehow got caught transporting 30 cartons of
cigarettes across state lines, from Virginia to Maryland.

I believe the fine for a first-time offense at the time was around $200
USD...per carton. Meanwhile speeding tickets tend to be a flat hundred
bucks or so for a first -time offense, if you\'re not doing anything
egregiously reckless.

For a country founded by tax-evading tobacco farmers the US
powers-that-be really hate it when people avoid paying tobacco taxes.

Governments struck a devil\'s bargain with the tobacco companies: you
can keep giving millions of people cancer if you cut us in on the
profits.

It was also argued that it saves government money by killing older
folks and ending their social security payments. Government these days
is all about money.

 

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Wednesday, October 26, 2022 at 9:16:21 PM UTC+11, John Larkin wrote:

On Wed, 26 Oct 2022 01:15:10 -0400, bitrex <us...@example.net> wrote:

On 10/26/2022 12:35 AM, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Wednesday, October 26, 2022 at 2:51:10 PM UTC+11, John Larkin wrote:
On Tue, 25 Oct 2022 19:30:38 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

A new study from California showed that some household gas stoves leak dangerous air pollutants such as benzene, which is linked to cancer.

Their analyses identified 12 different “hazardous air pollutants,” a designation by the Environmental Protection Agency of air toxins known to cause cancer and other serious health impacts.

The study was intended to spur policymakers, as household leakage of natural gas is not calculated in emissions data.

Research funded by:
https://www.psehealthyenergy.org/

https://www.webmd.com/cancer/news/20221021/gas-stoves-can-emit-high-levels-of-cancer-causing-benzene

“There is really no safe threshold” is a common call to public action.

Things have been banned that have a national death rate of nanodeaths..

Not that John Larkin can be bother to cite an example. In a world population of 8 billion, one nanodeath would reflect 8 deaths per year.

And we still sell and tax cigarettes.

Not to mention ethyl alcohol. Prohibition was tried, and didn\'t work. The \"War on Drugs\" ignored that lesson. Taxing cigarettes hard enough to reduce consumption creates a market for bootleg cigarettes.

Averaged across society, taxing dangerous and addictive substances gives you better outcomes than trying to ban them. The US tends to be sensitive to the desires of rich people who make money out of selling dangerous substances - guns and fossil-carbon fuels come to mind - and the people who do it get a lot of liberty to lie about how dangerous their products are.


A friend\'s father somehow got caught transporting 30 cartons of
cigarettes across state lines, from Virginia to Maryland.

I believe the fine for a first-time offense at the time was around $200
USD...per carton. Meanwhile speeding tickets tend to be a flat hundred
bucks or so for a first -time offense, if you\'re not doing anything
egregiously reckless.

For a country founded by tax-evading tobacco farmers the US
powers-that-be really hate it when people avoid paying tobacco taxes.

Governments struck a devil\'s bargain with the tobacco companies: you can keep giving millions of people cancer if you cut us in on the profits.

The Australian government insisted that the tobacco companies put fairly graphic cancer warning material on cigarette packages.

It wasn\'t any kind of devil\'s bargain - just a recognition that prohibition doesn\'t work.

> It was also argued that it saves government money by killing older folks and ending their social security payments.

True. Lung cancer kills pretty fast and there isn\'t much the medical business can do about it, or collect much money out of pretending to try to do anything about it.

> Government these days is all about money.

There\'s not a lot of money to made out of having people die after they\'ve only been collecting the pension for a short while. Political parties can\'t campaign on the basis that they\'ve encouraged that particular economy. Government is actually about staying in power, and pretending to be good managers of the economy doesn\'t win a lot of votes - nobody much believes them.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Ricky]

On Wednesday, October 26, 2022 at 4:09:38 AM UTC-4, John Walliker wrote:

On Wednesday, 26 October 2022 at 08:17:55 UTC+1, Ricky wrote:
I like to cook with gas. Otherwise, I could care less. Even the cooking is not important. I just like that it heats up quickly, even if it is hard to set. With electric, you just dial a number. With gas you have to learn to judge the flame. Fine if you use the same stove over and over, but otherwise, lots of burnt dishes until you adjust.
Electric induction hobs are even faster to heat up than gas, but you do have numbers to
help control the power.

Do they work with aluminum or copper pans?

--

Rick C.

-- Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
-- Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209

 

[Ralph Mowery]

In article <01b64aa1-e75c-427f-8bfa-de274b55d4aen@googlegroups.com>,
bill.sloman@ieee.org says...

There\'s not a lot of money to made out of having people die after they\'ve only been collecting the pension for a short while. Political parties can\'t campaign on the basis that they\'ve encouraged that particular economy. Government is actually about staying in power, and pretending to be good managers of the economy doesn\'t win a
lot of votes - nobody much believes them.

--

Maybe not for the pensions, but lots for the insurance companies and
medicare. My wife is over 65 and the insurance company spent over $
200,000 on her as of now. About $ 50,000 on me.

 

[John Walliker]

On Wednesday, 26 October 2022 at 16:08:06 UTC+1, Ricky wrote:

On Wednesday, October 26, 2022 at 4:09:38 AM UTC-4, John Walliker wrote:
On Wednesday, 26 October 2022 at 08:17:55 UTC+1, Ricky wrote:
I like to cook with gas. Otherwise, I could care less. Even the cooking is not important. I just like that it heats up quickly, even if it is hard to set. With electric, you just dial a number. With gas you have to learn to judge the flame. Fine if you use the same stove over and over, but otherwise, lots of burnt dishes until you adjust.
Electric induction hobs are even faster to heat up than gas, but you do have numbers to
help control the power.
Do they work with aluminum or copper pans?

No - but I\'m sure you already know that.

John

 

[John Larkin]

On Wed, 26 Oct 2022 11:23:03 -0400, Ralph Mowery
<rmowery42@charter.net> wrote:

In article <01b64aa1-e75c-427f-8bfa-de274b55d4aen@googlegroups.com>,
bill.sloman@ieee.org says...

There\'s not a lot of money to made out of having people die after they\'ve only been collecting the pension for a short while. Political parties can\'t campaign on the basis that they\'ve encouraged that particular economy. Government is actually about staying in power, and pretending to be good managers of the economy doesn\'t win a
lot of votes - nobody much believes them.

--



Maybe not for the pensions, but lots for the insurance companies and
medicare. My wife is over 65 and the insurance company spent over $
200,000 on her as of now. About $ 50,000 on me.

Some governments acknowledge that the cheapest end-of-life care is
death.

 

[bitrex]

On 10/26/2022 12:32 PM, John Larkin wrote:

On Wed, 26 Oct 2022 11:23:03 -0400, Ralph Mowery
rmowery42@charter.net> wrote:

In article <01b64aa1-e75c-427f-8bfa-de274b55d4aen@googlegroups.com>,
bill.sloman@ieee.org says...

There\'s not a lot of money to made out of having people die after they\'ve only been collecting the pension for a short while. Political parties can\'t campaign on the basis that they\'ve encouraged that particular economy. Government is actually about staying in power, and pretending to be good managers of the economy doesn\'t win a
lot of votes - nobody much believes them.

--



Maybe not for the pensions, but lots for the insurance companies and
medicare. My wife is over 65 and the insurance company spent over $
200,000 on her as of now. About $ 50,000 on me.

Some governments acknowledge that the cheapest end-of-life care is
death.

Do they bill the family for the bullet or do taxpayers cover that

 

[Lasse Langwadt Christensen]

onsdag den 26. oktober 2022 kl. 17.08.06 UTC+2 skrev Ricky:

On Wednesday, October 26, 2022 at 4:09:38 AM UTC-4, John Walliker wrote:
On Wednesday, 26 October 2022 at 08:17:55 UTC+1, Ricky wrote:
I like to cook with gas. Otherwise, I could care less. Even the cooking is not important. I just like that it heats up quickly, even if it is hard to set. With electric, you just dial a number. With gas you have to learn to judge the flame. Fine if you use the same stove over and over, but otherwise, lots of burnt dishes until you adjust.
Electric induction hobs are even faster to heat up than gas, but you do have numbers to
help control the power.
Do they work with aluminum or copper pans?

if it is the kind where the bottom is a sandwich with steel

 

[John Robertson]

On 2022/10/25 9:35 p.m., Anthony William Sloman wrote:

On Wednesday, October 26, 2022 at 2:51:10 PM UTC+11, John Larkin wrote:
On Tue, 25 Oct 2022 19:30:38 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

A new study from California showed that some household gas stoves leak dangerous air pollutants such as benzene, which is linked to cancer.

Their analyses identified 12 different “hazardous air pollutants,” a designation by the Environmental Protection Agency of air toxins known to cause cancer and other serious health impacts.

The study was intended to spur policymakers, as household leakage of natural gas is not calculated in emissions data.

Research funded by:
https://www.psehealthyenergy.org/

https://www.webmd.com/cancer/news/20221021/gas-stoves-can-emit-high-levels-of-cancer-causing-benzene

“There is really no safe threshold” is a common call to public action.
Things have been banned that have a national death rate of nanodeaths.

And we still sell and tax cigarettes.

Not to mention ethyl alcohol. Prohibition was tried, and didn\'t work. The \"War on Drugs\" ignored that lesson. Taxing cigarettes hard enough to reduce consumption creates a market for bootleg cigarettes.

One could argue that the War On Drugs was possibly a War on Democrats...
what percentage of the people arrested and convicted on drugs charges
(and thus can no longer vote) would turn out to be Democrats?

Who started the War On Drugs? Nixon. Who gave it a real boost? Reagan.

At least that is what it looks like from outside the USA to one Canadian.

John :-#(#

 

[bitrex]

On 10/26/2022 12:46 PM, John Robertson wrote:

On 2022/10/25 9:35 p.m., Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Wednesday, October 26, 2022 at 2:51:10 PM UTC+11, John Larkin wrote:
On Tue, 25 Oct 2022 19:30:38 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

A new study from California showed that some household gas stoves
leak dangerous air pollutants such as benzene, which is linked to
cancer.

Their analyses identified 12 different “hazardous air pollutants,” a
designation by the Environmental Protection Agency of air toxins
known to cause cancer and other serious health impacts.

The study was intended to spur policymakers, as household leakage of
natural gas is not calculated in emissions data.

Research funded by:
https://www.psehealthyenergy.org/

https://www.webmd.com/cancer/news/20221021/gas-stoves-can-emit-high-levels-of-cancer-causing-benzene

“There is really no safe threshold” is a common call to public action.
Things have been banned that have a national death rate of nanodeaths.

And we still sell and tax cigarettes.

Not to mention ethyl alcohol. Prohibition was tried, and didn\'t work.
The \"War on Drugs\" ignored that lesson. Taxing cigarettes hard enough
to reduce consumption creates a market for bootleg cigarettes.

One could argue that the War On Drugs was possibly a War on Democrats...
what percentage of the people arrested and convicted on drugs charges
(and thus can no longer vote) would turn out to be Democrats?

Who started the War On Drugs? Nixon. Who gave it a real boost? Reagan.

At least that is what it looks like from outside the USA to one Canadian.

John :-#(#

More like a \"War on the Poor.\" I\'ve had the displeasure of meeting a
number of wealthy druggies in my life, they rarely end up in prison.

They more often end up in cushy clinics and from time to time do manage
to get clean, and then tell anyone who will listen about what a hero
they are for doing it, God must have saved me, bla bla bla.

 

[John Larkin]

On Wed, 26 Oct 2022 12:42:35 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 10/26/2022 12:32 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 26 Oct 2022 11:23:03 -0400, Ralph Mowery
rmowery42@charter.net> wrote:

In article <01b64aa1-e75c-427f-8bfa-de274b55d4aen@googlegroups.com>,
bill.sloman@ieee.org says...

There\'s not a lot of money to made out of having people die after they\'ve only been collecting the pension for a short while. Political parties can\'t campaign on the basis that they\'ve encouraged that particular economy. Government is actually about staying in power, and pretending to be good managers of the economy doesn\'t win a
lot of votes - nobody much believes them.

--



Maybe not for the pensions, but lots for the insurance companies and
medicare. My wife is over 65 and the insurance company spent over $
200,000 on her as of now. About $ 50,000 on me.

Some governments acknowledge that the cheapest end-of-life care is
death.


Do they bill the family for the bullet or do taxpayers cover that

They use drugs. The national health system pays for it.

 

[John Larkin]

On Wed, 26 Oct 2022 09:46:50 -0700, John Robertson <jrr@flippers.com>
wrote:

On 2022/10/25 9:35 p.m., Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Wednesday, October 26, 2022 at 2:51:10 PM UTC+11, John Larkin wrote:
On Tue, 25 Oct 2022 19:30:38 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

A new study from California showed that some household gas stoves leak dangerous air pollutants such as benzene, which is linked to cancer.

Their analyses identified 12 different “hazardous air pollutants,” a designation by the Environmental Protection Agency of air toxins known to cause cancer and other serious health impacts.

The study was intended to spur policymakers, as household leakage of natural gas is not calculated in emissions data.

Research funded by:
https://www.psehealthyenergy.org/

https://www.webmd.com/cancer/news/20221021/gas-stoves-can-emit-high-levels-of-cancer-causing-benzene

“There is really no safe threshold” is a common call to public action.
Things have been banned that have a national death rate of nanodeaths.

And we still sell and tax cigarettes.

Not to mention ethyl alcohol. Prohibition was tried, and didn\'t work. The \"War on Drugs\" ignored that lesson. Taxing cigarettes hard enough to reduce consumption creates a market for bootleg cigarettes.

One could argue that the War On Drugs was possibly a War on Democrats...
what percentage of the people arrested and convicted on drugs charges
(and thus can no longer vote) would turn out to be Democrats?

Who started the War On Drugs? Nixon. Who gave it a real boost? Reagan.

At least that is what it looks like from outside the USA to one Canadian.

John :-#(#

The progressive concept is that street drugs should be allowed, with
free needles. The conservative concept is that street drugs are
illegal and socially destructive and deadly.

Heroin, speed, crack, oxy, and fentanyl do a lot of damage and make a
lot of people miserable. In the USA, illegal drug deaths now exceed
car crash deaths. Covid was a blip compared to drug deaths. Who was
right?

Are those drugs legal in Canada?