Boeing 737 Max design error

[Sylvia Else]

On 10/05/2019 2:02 pm, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote:

Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> wrote in
news:gjk729F8ke0U1@mid.individual.net:

Is this how you deal with work colleagues,

Sorry but you are unaware of the histroy of TraderTard4's posting.

That's going to be your explanation at the disciplinary hearing is it?
"He started it."

As you say, I'm unaware of the history, or even that there is a history
to be aware of. That's often going to be the case when you behave like
that. You may think you're justified, but people will still judge you
for it.

Sylvia.

 

Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> wrote in
news:gjkdbbF9snvU1@mid.individual.net:

As you say, I'm unaware of the history, or even that there is a
history to be aware of. That's often going to be the case when you
behave like that. You may think you're justified, but people will
still judge you for it.

And you think that I give a shit about it? It was defined for you.
Now you know. Time to move on.

 

[Sylvia Else]

On 10/05/2019 5:27 pm, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote:

Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> wrote in
news:gjkdbbF9snvU1@mid.individual.net:

As you say, I'm unaware of the history, or even that there is a
history to be aware of. That's often going to be the case when you
behave like that. You may think you're justified, but people will
still judge you for it.


And you think that I give a shit about it? It was defined for you.
Now you know. Time to move on.

When people judge you, it affects your ability to earn a living, get
services, find a spouse, and so on. Not caring about it seems rather
reckless.

Sylvia.

 

Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> wrote in
news:gjkq9pFch33U1@mid.individual.net:

On 10/05/2019 5:27 pm, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org
wrote:
Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> wrote in
news:gjkdbbF9snvU1@mid.individual.net:

As you say, I'm unaware of the history, or even that there is a
history to be aware of. That's often going to be the case when
you behave like that. You may think you're justified, but people
will still judge you for it.


And you think that I give a shit about it? It was defined for
you. Now you know. Time to move on.


When people judge you, it affects your ability to earn a living,
get services, find a spouse, and so on. Not caring about it seems
rather reckless.

Sylvia.

You fail to get my meaning. I do not care about the judgements of
people whom will never affect my life. That is pretty much Usenet
et al. And that is certainly any made by that fat ass.

 

[amal banerjee]

On Monday, May 6, 2019 at 2:30:14 PM UTC+5:30, Sylvia Else wrote:

On 6/05/2019 1:25 pm, omnilobe@gmail.com wrote:
Hello electronics design experts. I will never fly a 737 Max.
It is so flawed that board members at Boeing, like Caroline Kennedy and
Nikki Haley (Trump UN ambassador) should use their expertise to terminate
that death trap.

Electronics design sometimes used redundant sensors in case it is for
life support. Not Boeing. Kennedy and Haley approve of

Weight and Balance of the 737 Max.

I looked at photos of 737 and 737 Max. The 737 has the front of
the engine at the front of the wing. The Max has the rear of the engine at the front of the wing. That makes it stall easily. Software cannot fix that
weights and balance mistake.

Boeing is updating its software so the giant engines can unbalance the
airplane the same way as in the two crashes. Do you want to fly a plane
that only software is used to prevent stalling? Without software it stalls.
With software it is low cost.
Nikki Haley is a Trump liar. Do not fly Trump-Boeing death traps. Don doesn't.

The Board at Boeing is packed with dunces and insurance agents who know nothing
about Weights and Balances of aircraft.


The effect of the software behaviour, as was, was to trim the aircraft
forward for no good reason.

The pilots should have treated it as a runaway trim, and acted
accordingly. Then the crashes would not have occurred.

It seems likely that Boeing expected that that would happen in the event
that this non-redundant computer system misbehaved.

Yet in both cases the pilots let the aircraft get itself seriously out
of trim. So much so, that in the case of the second crash, when the the
pilots did eventually disable the electric trim, the aircraft was so far
out of trim that the pilots were not strong enough to turn the trim
wheels (or they didn't try - it's rather unclear at the moment).

Serious questions need to be asked about the competence of the pilots.
Would a properly trained crew have had any difficulties, even in the
absence of details about MCAS? I rather think not.

Sylvia.

It is very easy and convenient to sit in the judgement seat
and blame people for stupidity and incompetence, after they
are dead - hey they cannot defend themselves. But Boeing has a history o - how shall we put it, making unreliable products ? Check this out:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_India_Flight_855

Same story - defective flight instruments. This time the
pilots had thousands of hours of flight time, and one of them was an Air Force veteran.

I was a young boy (about 5 years old) when this happened,
living in Kolkata India, and I vividly remember that fateful
night when friends, relatives started arriving late at night
at a house a short walk away from where we lived. Apparently,
the head of the household had perished that evening in the crash.

That time also, all charges against Boeing, Rockwell Collins
etc., were summarily dismissed by the Federal judge -- citing pilot error. Exciting, isn't it ?

 

On Friday, May 10, 2019 at 8:06:08 AM UTC-4, amal banerjee wrote:

On Monday, May 6, 2019 at 2:30:14 PM UTC+5:30, Sylvia Else wrote:
On 6/05/2019 1:25 pm, omnilobe@gmail.com wrote:
Hello electronics design experts. I will never fly a 737 Max.
It is so flawed that board members at Boeing, like Caroline Kennedy and
Nikki Haley (Trump UN ambassador) should use their expertise to terminate
that death trap.

Electronics design sometimes used redundant sensors in case it is for
life support. Not Boeing. Kennedy and Haley approve of

Weight and Balance of the 737 Max.

I looked at photos of 737 and 737 Max. The 737 has the front of
the engine at the front of the wing. The Max has the rear of the engine at the front of the wing. That makes it stall easily. Software cannot fix that
weights and balance mistake.

Boeing is updating its software so the giant engines can unbalance the
airplane the same way as in the two crashes. Do you want to fly a plane
that only software is used to prevent stalling? Without software it stalls.
With software it is low cost.
Nikki Haley is a Trump liar. Do not fly Trump-Boeing death traps. Don doesn't.

The Board at Boeing is packed with dunces and insurance agents who know nothing
about Weights and Balances of aircraft.


The effect of the software behaviour, as was, was to trim the aircraft
forward for no good reason.

The pilots should have treated it as a runaway trim, and acted
accordingly. Then the crashes would not have occurred.

It seems likely that Boeing expected that that would happen in the event
that this non-redundant computer system misbehaved.

Yet in both cases the pilots let the aircraft get itself seriously out
of trim. So much so, that in the case of the second crash, when the the
pilots did eventually disable the electric trim, the aircraft was so far
out of trim that the pilots were not strong enough to turn the trim
wheels (or they didn't try - it's rather unclear at the moment).

Serious questions need to be asked about the competence of the pilots.
Would a properly trained crew have had any difficulties, even in the
absence of details about MCAS? I rather think not.

Sylvia.

It is very easy and convenient to sit in the judgement seat
and blame people for stupidity and incompetence, after they
are dead - hey they cannot defend themselves. But Boeing has a history o - how shall we put it, making unreliable products ? Check this out:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_India_Flight_855

Same story - defective flight instruments. This time the
pilots had thousands of hours of flight time, and one of them was an Air Force veteran.

It speaks volumes when you have to go back almost 50 years to try to cite
an example of what you claim is faulty product. Any system is subject to
failure, so far man has been incapable of finding a way around it. So what
do we do? For critical systems we make them redundant. If you read that
accident report, it sounds like the attitude indicator on the pilot's
side failed. They still had one working on the co-pilots side and a third one
in center. The flight engineer was even telling the pilots to use the
center one. And it looks like from what is there that there was poor
communication among the flight crew to resolve the problem. The initiating
incident was the failure of the attitude indicator on the pilot's side.
But the pilots are supposed to be able to handle that and sadly it looks
like they screwed up and that's why the cause is attributed to pilot error.

 

On Thursday, May 9, 2019 at 6:00:15 PM UTC-4, DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:

trader4@optonline.net wrote in
news:b3bc6fc9-a8a3-4cbd-a981-ec5b4561c87b@googlegroups.com:

On Thursday, May 9, 2019 at 11:48:51 AM UTC-4, DLUNU wrote:
trader4@optonline.net wrote in
news:9ac95d86-7697-4fd5-b32d-37d3644c99a2@googlegroups.com:

On Thursday, May 9, 2019 at 7:06:57 AM UTC-4,
DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
trader4@optonline.net wrote in
news:954c1f11-ccbb-4c27-b8e9-80daec1fa3a1@googlegroups.com:

Woooah there Pilgrim! Neither I nor any of the other adults
here discussing this said that it required "tons of force"
to turn the trim wheels. Only that:


Learn to read, idiot. I said the screws EXERT tons of force,
but that such force is not required to TURN the screw which
applies that force.

You need to learn how to fucking read, BOY! That and you
are one
thick skulled dimwit as it relates to mechanical aptitude.

Have you found those B1 crashes that you claim were the result
of fly-by-wire failures yet?


"found"? I am not looking, you retarded piece of criminal street
slut shit.

Of course you're not looking, because as usual, the B1 crashes due
to fly-by-wire failure that you claimed don't exist.




Figured out yet that the flaps on the 737 and most other
commercial aircraft are not driven by pistons?

Chalk one up for Sylvia, not you, you pathetic, So fucking
Trumplike CHUMP.

Not me? I'm the first one to tell you that the flaps are not
piston activated.


Nice try, punk. You do not even know how to follow a thread.

Sure I do, as I will show you.

And even after both of us told you that, you
still claimed that all planes use piston flap actuators.

You came far later, idiot. Sylvia even told you that. You are
days off the mark, dumbfuck.

Now you're lying and trying to use Sylvia to boot! AFAIK, she never said
what you are claiming. Here is your post, May 7, claiming that the
flaps on large passenger aircraft use piston actuators:


" You are a goddamned idiot.

Flaps on large passenger planes, for your information, ARE actuated
by hydraulic cylinders.

That is whay airplanes have hydraulic systems in them."


Which I responded to with this:

Yes, great idea. McDonald Douglas used that idea in the DC-10.
Instead of a jackscrew to drive the flaps, they used a hydraulic
PISTON. Which of course is what we actually call it. In 1979 a
DC-10 full of passengers taking off from O'Hare had an engine fall
off, which in turn damaged the hydraulic lines in the wing. The
flaps retracted. Guess what happened next.

Wrong, always wrong.

I see no posts between from Sylvia or any posts for that matter where she
talks about flap pistons.


And even prior to that, when you first started talking about a piston
to move a control surface I posted about the O'Hare DC-10 accident
and why it's not a good idea.

At least
for once you admit you were wrong.


And not at least for once, but yet again, you prove how much of an
abject idiot you are, obsessed with your lame, elementary school
tally.

I have done more in the last ten years to make the world a better,
safer place than you ever have

Yes, I'm sure the world is a better place with volatile, nasty guys
like you around.

BTW, have you found the cites for all those B-1 bomber crashes that you
claim were caused by fly-by-wire?

Wrong, always wrong.

 

On Friday, May 10, 2019 at 10:55:18 AM UTC-4, Tom Gardner wrote:

On 10/05/19 13:06, amal banerjee wrote:
It is very easy and convenient to sit in the judgement seat
and blame people for stupidity and incompetence, after they
are dead - hey they cannot defend themselves.

Bear in mind that at least some of those making
confident statements in this thread have no visible
experience of flying aircraft.

"Armchair quarterbacking" is the phrase that springs
to mind.

Yes, better to just shut up and leave it all to the experts at Boeing
and FAA.

 

[Tom Gardner]

On 10/05/19 13:06, amal banerjee wrote:

It is very easy and convenient to sit in the judgement seat
and blame people for stupidity and incompetence, after they
are dead - hey they cannot defend themselves.

Bear in mind that at least some of those making
confident statements in this thread have no visible
experience of flying aircraft.

"Armchair quarterbacking" is the phrase that springs
to mind.

 

[Mike Perkins]

On 06/05/2019 09:26, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote:

bitrex <user@example.net> wrote in news:c1RzE.535275$cD4.504076
@fx43.iad:

500-something people dead and Boeing seems to just shrug it off like
they're Microsoft and they're gonna patch a bug in Windows 10 at the
next update. "Sorry, our bad."

You are so full of shit. You have no clue what they are doing with
the families of the victims, etc. And you are obviously also clueless
as to what they did to fix it.

You are the worst kind of speculator.

I don't understand your point. The issue is whether Boeing is criminally
negligent. If this was a non-US company there would be calls for their
extradition.

In the mean time I would expect them to do every they can for the
victims' families.


--
Mike Perkins
Video Solutions Ltd
www.videosolutions.ltd.uk

 

[whit3rd]

On Friday, May 10, 2019 at 12:03:53 PM UTC-7, Mike Perkins wrote:

I don't understand your point. The issue is whether Boeing is criminally
negligent. If this was a non-US company there would be calls for their
extradition.

Well, no; there's an approval process for planes, and they went through that
process and got certified. The investigations are still under way, with
no claim of wrongdoing coming from the investigators.

'They' to be extradited: who, exactly, would those persons be?

Civil responsibility remains, but only violation of certification would
cause a legal (criminal) offense for the manufacturer. The current situation
is unfortunate, and the (rather spectacular) loss of two aircraft is tragic, but
not criminal, unless some information comes to light about a party to an
identifiable violation of an operational, maintenance, or materials-and-craftsmanship
norm is found. There will be recertification with a new specification,
hopefully soon.

 

[Sylvia Else]

On 10/05/2019 10:06 pm, amal banerjee wrote:

On Monday, May 6, 2019 at 2:30:14 PM UTC+5:30, Sylvia Else wrote:
On 6/05/2019 1:25 pm, omnilobe@gmail.com wrote:
Hello electronics design experts. I will never fly a 737 Max. It
is so flawed that board members at Boeing, like Caroline Kennedy
and Nikki Haley (Trump UN ambassador) should use their expertise
to terminate that death trap.

Electronics design sometimes used redundant sensors in case it is
for life support. Not Boeing. Kennedy and Haley approve of

Weight and Balance of the 737 Max.

I looked at photos of 737 and 737 Max. The 737 has the front of
the engine at the front of the wing. The Max has the rear of the
engine at the front of the wing. That makes it stall easily.
Software cannot fix that weights and balance mistake.

Boeing is updating its software so the giant engines can
unbalance the airplane the same way as in the two crashes. Do you
want to fly a plane that only software is used to prevent
stalling? Without software it stalls. With software it is low
cost. Nikki Haley is a Trump liar. Do not fly Trump-Boeing death
traps. Don doesn't.

The Board at Boeing is packed with dunces and insurance agents
who know nothing about Weights and Balances of aircraft.


The effect of the software behaviour, as was, was to trim the
aircraft forward for no good reason.

The pilots should have treated it as a runaway trim, and acted
accordingly. Then the crashes would not have occurred.

It seems likely that Boeing expected that that would happen in the
event that this non-redundant computer system misbehaved.

Yet in both cases the pilots let the aircraft get itself seriously
out of trim. So much so, that in the case of the second crash, when
the the pilots did eventually disable the electric trim, the
aircraft was so far out of trim that the pilots were not strong
enough to turn the trim wheels (or they didn't try - it's rather
unclear at the moment).

Serious questions need to be asked about the competence of the
pilots. Would a properly trained crew have had any difficulties,
even in the absence of details about MCAS? I rather think not.

Sylvia.

It is very easy and convenient to sit in the judgement seat and blame
people for stupidity and incompetence, after they are dead - hey they
cannot defend themselves. But Boeing has a history o - how shall we
put it, making unreliable products ? Check this out:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_India_Flight_855

Same story - defective flight instruments. This time the pilots had
thousands of hours of flight time, and one of them was an Air Force
veteran.

I've never been convinced that thousands of hours sitting in the cockpit
of functioning aircraft is much of a guide to ability.

I was a young boy (about 5 years old) when this happened, living in
Kolkata India, and I vividly remember that fateful night when
friends, relatives started arriving late at night at a house a short
walk away from where we lived. Apparently, the head of the household
had perished that evening in the crash.

That time also, all charges against Boeing, Rockwell Collins etc.,
were summarily dismissed by the Federal judge -- citing pilot error.
Exciting, isn't it ?

All the same, being dead is not automatically exculpatory. Even the
limited information released from the Ethiopian investigation raises
some serious questions.

Sylvia.

 

trader4@optonline.net wrote in news:e60fade8-1fb5-4e7c-9315-
3f4cfb2d64e4@googlegroups.com:

Yes, better to just shut up and leave it all to the experts at Boeing
and FAA.

Certainly no decision made by an overtly obese fat fuck like you.

You can't even manage your weight.

 

trader4@optonline.net wrote in
news:12818a23-e6bf-4023-97e1-a515f20cd061@googlegroups.com:

On Thursday, May 9, 2019 at 6:00:15 PM UTC-4,
DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
trader4@optonline.net wrote in
news:b3bc6fc9-a8a3-4cbd-a981-ec5b4561c87b@googlegroups.com:

On Thursday, May 9, 2019 at 11:48:51 AM UTC-4, DLUNU wrote:
trader4@optonline.net wrote in
news:9ac95d86-7697-4fd5-b32d-37d3644c99a2@googlegroups.com:

On Thursday, May 9, 2019 at 7:06:57 AM UTC-4,
DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
trader4@optonline.net wrote in
news:954c1f11-ccbb-4c27-b8e9-80daec1fa3a1@googlegroups.com:

Woooah there Pilgrim! Neither I nor any of the other
adults here discussing this said that it required "tons
of force" to turn the trim wheels. Only that:


Learn to read, idiot. I said the screws EXERT tons of
force, but that such force is not required to TURN the
screw which applies that force.

You need to learn how to fucking read, BOY! That and you
are one
thick skulled dimwit as it relates to mechanical aptitude.

Have you found those B1 crashes that you claim were the
result of fly-by-wire failures yet?


"found"? I am not looking, you retarded piece of criminal
street slut shit.

Of course you're not looking, because as usual, the B1 crashes
due to fly-by-wire failure that you claimed don't exist.




Figured out yet that the flaps on the 737 and most other
commercial aircraft are not driven by pistons?

Chalk one up for Sylvia, not you, you pathetic, So fucking
Trumplike CHUMP.

Not me? I'm the first one to tell you that the flaps are not
piston activated.


Nice try, punk. You do not even know how to follow a thread.

Sure I do, as I will show you.




And even after both of us told you that, you
still claimed that all planes use piston flap actuators.

You came far later, idiot. Sylvia even told you that. You are
days off the mark, dumbfuck.

Now you're lying and trying to use Sylvia to boot! AFAIK, she
never said what you are claiming. Here is your post, May 7,
claiming that the flaps on large passenger aircraft use piston
actuators:

There is your problem, dumbfuck. That is the first thread YOU
jumped into. I actually mentioned it earlier than that, and not by
Sylvia, but another person posted a link.

So you are so fucking far off the mark that you could not buy a
clue.

" You are a goddamned idiot.

Flaps on large passenger planes, for your information, ARE
actuated
by hydraulic cylinders.

That is whay airplanes have hydraulic systems in them."


Which I responded to with this:



Yes, great idea. McDonald Douglas used that idea in the DC-10.
Instead of a jackscrew to drive the flaps, they used a hydraulic
PISTON. Which of course is what we actually call it. In 1979 a
DC-10 full of passengers taking off from O'Hare had an engine
fall off, which in turn damaged the hydraulic lines in the wing.
The flaps retracted. Guess what happened next.

Wrong, always wrong.

I see no posts between from Sylvia or any posts for that matter
where she talks about flap pistons.


And even prior to that, when you first started talking about a
piston to move a control surface I posted about the O'Hare DC-10
accident and why it's not a good idea.

And like I just told you AGAIN. That post you responded to was
not the first post I made regarding it. So fuck off, idiot.

At least
for once you admit you were wrong.


And not at least for once, but yet again, you prove how much of
an
abject idiot you are, obsessed with your lame, elementary school
tally.

I have done more in the last ten years to make the world a
better,
safer place than you ever have


Yes, I'm sure the world is a better place with volatile, nasty
guys like you around.

My work went up on shuttle missions. And my work keep our boys
safe and those of our allies.

What is your excuse for wasting Oxygen? Oh... that's right... you
sat around getting fat for years, doing exactly NOTHING to make the
world a better place. You are only about your own FAT ass.

So, yeah, you stupid, pathetic fuck, I have done orders of
magnitude more to ake the world a better place than you ever have or
ever will in your entire, pathetic piece of shit life.

BTW, have you found the cites for all those B-1 bomber crashes
that you claim were caused by fly-by-wire?

That is for you to catch up on, punk. I already know. You are so
fucking stupid that you think they are not FBW.

Wrong, always wrong.

You most certainly are, you stupid piece of shit.

 

amal banerjee <dakupoto@gmail.com> wrote in
news:8e09ba83-5075-413b-bda6-230b498814ae@googlegroups.com:

On Monday, May 6, 2019 at 2:30:14 PM UTC+5:30, Sylvia Else wrote:
On 6/05/2019 1:25 pm, omnilobe@gmail.com wrote:
Hello electronics design experts. I will never fly a 737 Max.
It is so flawed that board members at Boeing, like Caroline
Kennedy and Nikki Haley (Trump UN ambassador) should use their
expertise to terminate that death trap.

Electronics design sometimes used redundant sensors in case it
is for life support. Not Boeing. Kennedy and Haley approve of

Weight and Balance of the 737 Max.

I looked at photos of 737 and 737 Max. The 737 has the front of
the engine at the front of the wing. The Max has the rear of
the engine at the front of the wing. That makes it stall
easily. Software cannot fix that weights and balance mistake.

Boeing is updating its software so the giant engines can
unbalance the airplane the same way as in the two crashes. Do
you want to fly a plane that only software is used to prevent
stalling? Without software it stalls. With software it is low
cost. Nikki Haley is a Trump liar. Do not fly Trump-Boeing
death traps. Don doesn't.

The Board at Boeing is packed with dunces and insurance agents
who know nothing about Weights and Balances of aircraft.


The effect of the software behaviour, as was, was to trim the
aircraft forward for no good reason.

The pilots should have treated it as a runaway trim, and acted
accordingly. Then the crashes would not have occurred.

It seems likely that Boeing expected that that would happen in
the event that this non-redundant computer system misbehaved.

Yet in both cases the pilots let the aircraft get itself
seriously out of trim. So much so, that in the case of the second
crash, when the the pilots did eventually disable the electric
trim, the aircraft was so far out of trim that the pilots were
not strong enough to turn the trim wheels (or they didn't try -
it's rather unclear at the moment).

Serious questions need to be asked about the competence of the
pilots. Would a properly trained crew have had any difficulties,
even in the absence of details about MCAS? I rather think not.

Sylvia.

It is very easy and convenient to sit in the judgement seat
and blame people for stupidity and incompetence, after they
are dead - hey they cannot defend themselves. But Boeing has a
history o - how shall we put it, making unreliable products ?
Check this out: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_India_Flight_855

Same story - defective flight instruments. This time the
pilots had thousands of hours of flight time, and one of them was
an Air Force veteran.

I was a young boy (about 5 years old) when this happened,
living in Kolkata India, and I vividly remember that fateful
night when friends, relatives started arriving late at night
at a house a short walk away from where we lived. Apparently,
the head of the household had perished that evening in the crash.

That time also, all charges against Boeing, Rockwell Collins
etc., were summarily dismissed by the Federal judge -- citing
pilot error. Exciting, isn't it ?

Nice job of jabbing at Boeing, and then lumping in Rockwell
Collins. Who was it then?

If an engine goes down, are you going to start deriding General
Electric?

 

On Fri, 10 May 2019 12:47:36 +1000, Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid>
wrote:

On 10/05/2019 8:00 am, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote:
trader4@optonline.net wrote in
news:b3bc6fc9-a8a3-4cbd-a981-ec5b4561c87b@googlegroups.com:

On Thursday, May 9, 2019 at 11:48:51 AM UTC-4, DLUNU wrote:
trader4@optonline.net wrote in
news:9ac95d86-7697-4fd5-b32d-37d3644c99a2@googlegroups.com:

On Thursday, May 9, 2019 at 7:06:57 AM UTC-4,
DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
trader4@optonline.net wrote in
news:954c1f11-ccbb-4c27-b8e9-80daec1fa3a1@googlegroups.com:

Woooah there Pilgrim! Neither I nor any of the other adults
here discussing this said that it required "tons of force"
to turn the trim wheels. Only that:


Learn to read, idiot. I said the screws EXERT tons of force,
but that such force is not required to TURN the screw which
applies that force.

You need to learn how to fucking read, BOY! That and you
are one
thick skulled dimwit as it relates to mechanical aptitude.

Have you found those B1 crashes that you claim were the result
of fly-by-wire failures yet?


"found"? I am not looking, you retarded piece of criminal street
slut shit.

Of course you're not looking, because as usual, the B1 crashes due
to fly-by-wire failure that you claimed don't exist.




Figured out yet that the flaps on the 737 and most other
commercial aircraft are not driven by pistons?

Chalk one up for Sylvia, not you, you pathetic, So fucking
Trumplike CHUMP.

Not me? I'm the first one to tell you that the flaps are not
piston activated.


Nice try, punk. You do not even know how to follow a thread.

And even after both of us told you that, you
still claimed that all planes use piston flap actuators.

You came far later, idiot. Sylvia even told you that. You are
days off the mark, dumbfuck.

At least
for once you admit you were wrong.


And not at least for once, but yet again, you prove how much of an
abject idiot you are, obsessed with your lame, elementary school
tally.

I have done more in the last ten years to make the world a better,
safer place than you ever have or ever will in your entire, pathetic
life, you stupid piece of shit. And you can't trade that, childish
fuck.

Is this how you deal with work colleagues, or if you're not yet working,
how you intend to deal with work colleagues?

AlwaysWrong gets a "does not play well with others" on his annual
evaluations. Always.

 

krw@notreal.com wrote in
news:mqgcde5f5ptiv1av7eagpb62jrr6mlq86n@4ax.com:

On Fri, 10 May 2019 12:47:36 +1000, Sylvia Else
sylvia@email.invalid> wrote:

On 10/05/2019 8:00 am, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org
wrote:
trader4@optonline.net wrote in
news:b3bc6fc9-a8a3-4cbd-a981-ec5b4561c87b@googlegroups.com:

On Thursday, May 9, 2019 at 11:48:51 AM UTC-4, DLUNU wrote:
trader4@optonline.net wrote in
news:9ac95d86-7697-4fd5-b32d-37d3644c99a2@googlegroups.com:

On Thursday, May 9, 2019 at 7:06:57 AM UTC-4,
DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
trader4@optonline.net wrote in
news:954c1f11-ccbb-4c27-b8e9-80daec1fa3a1@googlegroups.com:

Woooah there Pilgrim! Neither I nor any of the other
adults here discussing this said that it required "tons of
force" to turn the trim wheels. Only that:


Learn to read, idiot. I said the screws EXERT tons of
force, but that such force is not required to TURN the screw
which applies that force.

You need to learn how to fucking read, BOY! That and you
are one
thick skulled dimwit as it relates to mechanical aptitude.

Have you found those B1 crashes that you claim were the
result of fly-by-wire failures yet?


"found"? I am not looking, you retarded piece of criminal
street slut shit.

Of course you're not looking, because as usual, the B1 crashes
due to fly-by-wire failure that you claimed don't exist.




Figured out yet that the flaps on the 737 and most other
commercial aircraft are not driven by pistons?

Chalk one up for Sylvia, not you, you pathetic, So fucking
Trumplike CHUMP.

Not me? I'm the first one to tell you that the flaps are not
piston activated.


Nice try, punk. You do not even know how to follow a thread.

And even after both of us told you that, you
still claimed that all planes use piston flap actuators.

You came far later, idiot. Sylvia even told you that. You
are
days off the mark, dumbfuck.

At least
for once you admit you were wrong.


And not at least for once, but yet again, you prove how much
of an
abject idiot you are, obsessed with your lame, elementary school
tally.

I have done more in the last ten years to make the world a
better,
safer place than you ever have or ever will in your entire,
pathetic life, you stupid piece of shit. And you can't trade
that, childish fuck.

Is this how you deal with work colleagues, or if you're not yet
working, how you intend to deal with work colleagues?


AlwaysWrong gets a "does not play well with others" on his annual
evaluations. Always.

Remember the beginning of "Contact"? Your chest gripper is gonna
be even more painful for you. You are one day closer, chump.

I smile just thinking about it.

 

On Friday, May 10, 2019 at 7:33:21 PM UTC-4, whit3rd wrote:

On Friday, May 10, 2019 at 12:03:53 PM UTC-7, Mike Perkins wrote:

I don't understand your point. The issue is whether Boeing is criminally
negligent. If this was a non-US company there would be calls for their
extradition.

Well, no; there's an approval process for planes, and they went through that
process and got certified. The investigations are still under way, with
no claim of wrongdoing coming from the investigators.

'They' to be extradited: who, exactly, would those persons be?

Civil responsibility remains, but only violation of certification would
cause a legal (criminal) offense for the manufacturer.

That part isn't true. Companies and individuals have been criminally
charged for things that had nothing to do with certification. For example
if we find out that some engineers pointed out that MCAS was a bad and
extremely dangerous design, but were overruled by management because they were
concerned only with profit and getting it out the door, then there is
a potential case there, regardless of the fact that MCAS passed FAA
certification. The defense could argue that FAA certifying it lets them
off the hook, but it's not clear a jury would see it that way, especially
given that FAA relied on Boeing as part of that certification.

We also have what just came out this week, which is that Boeing new that
on planes that had the disagree light option, that light did not work
unless the aircraft also had the AOA display option. That's right, there
was a non-working safety light in those planes and Boeing knew about it
in 2017, yet never told the aircraft operators. It was due to a software
error. They planned to fix it
at some point with a software fix, but obviously it was given little
importance.





The current situation

is unfortunate, and the (rather spectacular) loss of two aircraft is tragic, but
not criminal, unless some information comes to light about a party to an
identifiable violation of an operational, maintenance, or materials-and-craftsmanship
norm is found.

Why did you leave out an identifiable violation of safe, sound aircraft
design practices? And if what MCAS is constitutes safe and sound practice
at Boeing, what other irresponsible, stupid designs are in other Boeing
planes right now? The CEO should go, those shareholders were right.
He hasn't accepted that this is a Boeing failure, that they got this very
wrong, that their crap design killed people. It's only one attempt at
PR spin after another.

 

trader4@optonline.net wrote in news:8c9ce028-3472-42f2-b643-
16e126a81ad2@googlegroups.com:

I actually mentioned it earlier than that, and not by
Sylvia, but another person posted a link.

That's a lie. The cite I gave you is the first time you claimed that
large aircraft FLAPS use pistons.

Absolutely untrue. You need to get off your lazy, fat ass, and read
the thread over again. I mentioned it days before your lame ass chimed
in.

 

trader4@optonline.net wrote in
news:6c372853-11a3-41ae-8d94-32dadf2a0ceb@googlegroups.com:

Why did you leave out an identifiable violation of safe, sound
aircraft design practices? And if what MCAS is constitutes safe
and sound practice at Boeing, what other irresponsible, stupid
designs are in other Boeing planes right now? The CEO should go,
those shareholders were right. He hasn't accepted that this is a
Boeing failure, that they got this very wrong, that their crap
design killed people. It's only one attempt at PR spin after
another.

You make the most retarded, convoluted observations I have ever seen.

Well... you come in a close second to Donald J. Trump.