Boeing 737 Max design error

[Jasen Betts]

On 2019-05-14, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org <DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org> wrote:

trader4@optonline.net wrote in
news:715ce4a1-5818-4c59-b961-3bc451ea3891@googlegroups.com:

On Tuesday, May 14, 2019 at 1:49:41 AM UTC-4,
DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
trader4@optonline.net wrote in
news:355dc945-b104-4abf-a04a-0ba051aa59d2@googlegroups.com:

Did your buddy DL talk about hydraulic fuses? No, he wanted
the horizontal stabilizer driven by a simple piston, so it
could be instantly cutoff and freed to solve a mostly
non-existent problem.
Sylvia had to explain to him that would leave the control
surface
flapping in the wind.....


I suggested "freeing" the cylinder by way of valving.

You are a jerk, plain and simple.

After you "free it", then like Sylvia said, the control surface
would be left flapping in the wind.

NO, it would not! The rate at which it moves can be controlled in
hardware by the valving, and no it does not nor would not "flap in
the wind".

true, but seeing as it's hinged towards the rear it's most likely
going to want to move towards one extreme or the other, rather than
towards centre, so such a set-up seems non-useful.

Opened valving would be "free to return to normal before re-
engaging control assist" in a controlled rate and manner.

no such thing as normal, and the airodynamic force will likely be in
the wrong direction anyway. all this is in the flight manual.

Like I said, you never read the entire thread, and you still
refuse to believe even that fact.

dunno about him, but I can only wade though so much bullshit.

--
When I tried casting out nines I made a hash of it.

 

Jasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz> wrote in news:qbgsjv$9vh$1
@gonzo.revmaps.no-ip.org:

dunno about him, but I can only wade though so much bullshit.

Yeah, I am sure your place stinks from it too.

The forces would be toward recentering. The pivot of the tailplane
is designed just that way too.

 

Wolf Bagger <wolfbagger@pm.me> wrote in
news:FZydnZLqRtdoCUbBnZ2dnUU7-dGdnZ2d@supernews.com:

On 2019-05-14 11:23, Banders wrote:

They can just run water or walnut shells into the running engine
to
clean it out. Really.

Your comprehension of jet engines seems fairly limited.

Your grasp of real world scenarios is... more likely... flawed.

All 'remains' were removed. per se.

Any REMAINING 'bits'... and there will be some, would get
'flushed' in this manner, on the engine, while running live.

Ground walnut shells have been used for cleaning for decades and
remaining particulate from them gets burned off.

Yu up to snuff now? I have doubts.

 

Mike Perkins <spam@spam.com> wrote in
news:qbfaol$97l$1@news2.open-news-network.org:

On 12/05/2019 03:46, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org
wrote:
trader4@optonline.net wrote in news:5fb4e107-bb61-4cbb-a76b-
efdf8c062623@googlegroups.com:

Obviously suffering from Trump Derangement Syndrome, when you
bring
Trump into a thread about Boeing and the 737 Max.

Nuff said.

Nice job, dumbfuck. You are unqualified, unsolicited,
unprofessional, and so full of shit.

Resorting to abuse demonstrates you have no argument.

I responded to an idiot jacking off at the mouth about something
that does not exist. You dig, you stupid fuck?

Best give up
now before resorting to more abuse and more lost argument.

As if a blind as a bat dumbfuck like you has any clue as to what
is best ever at any fucking time any fucking where.

Nice try, you stupid fuck. Try reading the thread dumbass.

The asshole spouted off about some non-existent "syndrome". Wake
the fuck up, idiot. My response to the retarded punk fuck is 100%
appropriate, and my response to a retarded piece of shit like you
whom obviously has zero capacity to discern anything even close to
reality is good too. FOAD, idiot. Dumb motherfuckers like you
suffer from a fucking Usenet blind retard syndrome.

He got it back in his face. Get over your childish "you cussed so
you lose" baby bullshit non-argument. Goddamn you idiots are
stupid.

 

On Wednesday, May 15, 2019 at 7:38:18 AM UTC-4, DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:

trader4@optonline.net wrote in news:b1e8a338-474e-41dc-875b-
8f6758b0549b@googlegroups.com:

All your doing
is BS nitpicking,

When you revert to 90s+ era schoolboy punk grammar, you lose what
little credibility you may have thought you once possessed.

Wow, I didn;t know that "BS" and "nitpicking" had gone out of fashion.

All of YOUR "rofl"s and "libs" and other childish horseshit only
serves to prove that you are unable to answer each citation of your
errors.

IF they had only retracted the slats on the other wing, they would
have been in balance and though not the approved setting for a takeoff,
the plane would most certainly have been able to do so.

Both incorrect and irrelevant of course. My point was that with a
jackscrew design for the leading edge slats instead of a piston actuator
that DC-10 would have flown following the engine out procedure, which
the crew was correctly following. I can't understand why you and Banders
can't accept that very factual statement and instead want to argue.

Your suggestion that the crew could
have retracted the slats on the other wing would require that the crew
KNEW the slats had retracted on the one wing. The crash report shows
they had no idea it had occurred, so to suggest that in the space of
50 secs between takeoff and impact, the crew should have taken a procedure
that would be expected to actually cause a crash, ie retracting the slats
on takeoff, with one engine out to boot, is totally absurd. And you're
also incorrect that had they done that, the plane most certainly
would have been able to fly. The crash report found from simulator
testing that had they done that which they had no way of knowing to do,
the crash "may not" have occurred.


Wrong, always wrong.

 

On Wednesday, May 15, 2019 at 8:13:58 AM UTC-4, DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:

Jasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz> wrote in news:qbgsjv$9vh$1
@gonzo.revmaps.no-ip.org:


dunno about him, but I can only wade though so much bullshit.


Yeah, I am sure your place stinks from it too.

The forces would be toward recentering. The pivot of the tailplane
is designed just that way too.

And you bring that BS up again, even after another poster provided you with
this crash report when the horizontal stabilizer became disconnected:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alaska_Airlines_Flight_261

"Beginning at 16:19 (00:19 UTC), the CVR recorded the sounds of at least four distinct "thumps" followed 17 seconds later by an "extremely loud noise", as the overstrained jackscrew assembly failed completely and the jackscrew separated from the acme nut holding it in place. The aircraft rapidly pitched over into a dive.

Later analysis estimated that 90% of the thread in the acme nut had already worn away previously, and that it had finally stripped out during the flight while en route to San Francisco. Once the thread had failed, the horizontal stabilizer assembly was then subjected to aerodynamic forces that it was not designed to withstand, leading to complete failure of the overstressed stabilizer assembly."

Wrong, always wrong.

 

[Banders]

On 05/15/2019 04:38 AM, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote:

IF they had only retracted the slats on the other wing, they would
have been in balance and though not the approved setting for a takeoff,
the plane would most certainly have been able to do so.

They call that hindsight.

That's what we're all using, but trader's is his 'common sense'.

> But that is technical.

Here's an interesting thing.

High-Lift Systems on Commercial Subsonic Airliners
<https://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/19960052267.pdf>

NASA uses "linear hydraulic actuator" or "hydraulic cylinder", I think
that nobody but trader would use the word piston.

DC-10 slats are in there, pages 63 and 64 of the paper (73 and 74 of the
pdf).

 

trader4@optonline.net wrote in
news:c8e2c87f-155b-4ea0-8f93-4fd5ad8b22f8@googlegroups.com:

Wow, I didn;t know that "BS" and "nitpicking" had gone out of
fashion.

Agin, YOUR ignorance is glaring, and it shows that YOU'RE just no
more than a mental midget. You may want to read YOUR words again, you
may figure out where YOU'RE lacking.

You failing to catch what I was nailing you on is further evidence.

I spelled it out for you here again, but you could still miss it.

 

On Wednesday, May 15, 2019 at 9:33:37 PM UTC-4, DecadentLinux...@decadence.org


Heh there DL, have you found the cites for us for all those B1 bomber crashes
that you claimed were due to fly-by-wire?

ROFL

 

trader4@optonline.net wrote in
news:78a44777-a941-4c16-9cee-d60d8ee3ac9f@googlegroups.com:

On Wednesday, May 15, 2019 at 9:33:37 PM UTC-4,
DecadentLinux...@decadence.org


Heh there DL,

Heh? Wtf is 'heh', you stupid fuck?

have you found the cites for us for all those B1
bomber crashes that you claimed were due to fly-by-wire?

Are you such an illiterate retarded fuck that you cannot remember
the response you got the last time you posted this retarded immature
putz boy query?

ROFL

Yep, you are 100% immature putz, boy.

You could be more of an immature little putz, just not in this
life.

 

On Thursday, May 16, 2019 at 3:17:35 AM UTC-4, DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:

trader4@optonline.net wrote in
news:78a44777-a941-4c16-9cee-d60d8ee3ac9f@googlegroups.com:

On Wednesday, May 15, 2019 at 9:33:37 PM UTC-4,
DecadentLinux...@decadence.org


Heh there DL,


Heh? Wtf is 'heh', you stupid fuck?


have you found the cites for us for all those B1
bomber crashes that you claimed were due to fly-by-wire?

Are you such an illiterate retarded fuck that you cannot remember
the response you got the last time you posted this retarded immature
putz boy query?

Let me guess. No crash citations to back up your BS about there being
B1 bomber crashes due to fly-by-wire failures, just lots of insults
and vulgarity.

ROFL

Yep, you are 100% immature putz, boy.

You could be more of an immature little putz, just not in this
life.

You are so far gone that you don't see the irony in that accusation.
Maybe your buddy Bill can help.

 

trader4@optonline.net wrote in
news:289a5808-e4cf-4b5c-8461-316246c36bb6@googlegroups.com:

On Thursday, May 16, 2019 at 3:17:35 AM UTC-4,
DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
trader4@optonline.net wrote in
news:78a44777-a941-4c16-9cee-d60d8ee3ac9f@googlegroups.com:

On Wednesday, May 15, 2019 at 9:33:37 PM UTC-4,
DecadentLinux...@decadence.org


Heh there DL,


Heh? Wtf is 'heh', you stupid fuck?


have you found the cites for us for all those B1
bomber crashes that you claimed were due to fly-by-wire?

Are you such an illiterate retarded fuck that you cannot
remember
the response you got the last time you posted this retarded
immature putz boy query?


Let me guess. No crash citations to back up your BS about there
being B1 bomber crashes due to fly-by-wire failures, just lots of
insults and vulgarity.





ROFL

Yep, you are 100% immature putz, boy.

You could be more of an immature little putz, just not in this
life.



You are so far gone that you don't see the irony in that
accusation. Maybe your buddy Bill can help.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rockwell_B-1_Lancer

All the crash data is right there, you fucking putz.

Oh and you are the vulgar one. Not what you post you stupid fuck.
Your very presence is vulgar.

 

On Thursday, May 16, 2019 at 4:08:02 PM UTC-4, DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:

trader4@optonline.net wrote in
news:289a5808-e4cf-4b5c-8461-316246c36bb6@googlegroups.com:

On Thursday, May 16, 2019 at 3:17:35 AM UTC-4,
DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
trader4@optonline.net wrote in
news:78a44777-a941-4c16-9cee-d60d8ee3ac9f@googlegroups.com:

On Wednesday, May 15, 2019 at 9:33:37 PM UTC-4,
DecadentLinux...@decadence.org


Heh there DL,


Heh? Wtf is 'heh', you stupid fuck?


have you found the cites for us for all those B1
bomber crashes that you claimed were due to fly-by-wire?

Are you such an illiterate retarded fuck that you cannot
remember
the response you got the last time you posted this retarded
immature putz boy query?


Let me guess. No crash citations to back up your BS about there
being B1 bomber crashes due to fly-by-wire failures, just lots of
insults and vulgarity.





ROFL

Yep, you are 100% immature putz, boy.

You could be more of an immature little putz, just not in this
life.



You are so far gone that you don't see the irony in that
accusation. Maybe your buddy Bill can help.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rockwell_B-1_Lancer

All the crash data is right there, you fucking putz.

Sure, but no crashes attributed to fly-by-wire failures. THAT was
what you were supposed to show us, the B1 crashes caused by fly-by-wire
problems, that you claimed. Of course it's not coming, because it
was just your usual incorrect BS.

Oh and you are the vulgar one. Not what you post you stupid fuck.
Your very presence is vulgar.

ROFL

Wrong about that too, always wrong.

 

trader4@optonline.net wrote in news:31a47c7a-aa24-44ab-88f7-
ea3192d5385e@googlegroups.com:

> Sure, but no crashes attributed to fly-by-wire failures.

Learn to read.

 

On Thursday, May 16, 2019 at 8:17:17 PM UTC-4, DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:

trader4@optonline.net wrote in news:31a47c7a-aa24-44ab-88f7-
ea3192d5385e@googlegroups.com:

Sure, but no crashes attributed to fly-by-wire failures.

Learn to read.

Funny, you complain how evil Trump is, but you're just like him. You make
up complete BS, and then when challenged about it, you lie
and then just double down on it again and again. All you posted was a link
to wiki about the B1 bomber, nothing about all the crashes attributed to
fly-by-wire that you claimed. You're also like Trump with the silly,
childish insults. Birds of a feather....

 

trader4@optonline.net wrote in
news:e2cfe6a6-e95e-44e5-a196-3690890ed6f9@googlegroups.com:

On Thursday, May 16, 2019 at 8:17:17 PM UTC-4,
DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
trader4@optonline.net wrote in news:31a47c7a-aa24-44ab-88f7-
ea3192d5385e@googlegroups.com:

Sure, but no crashes attributed to fly-by-wire failures.

Learn to read.

Funny, you complain how evil Trump is, but you're just like him.
You make up complete BS, and then when challenged about it, you
lie and then just double down on it again and again. All you
posted was a link to wiki about the B1 bomber, nothing about all
the crashes attributed to fly-by-wire that you claimed. You're
also like Trump with the silly, childish insults. Birds of a
feather....

The crash data is there, idiot.

 

On Friday, May 17, 2019 at 11:31:38 AM UTC-4, DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:

trader4@optonline.net wrote in
news:e2cfe6a6-e95e-44e5-a196-3690890ed6f9@googlegroups.com:

On Thursday, May 16, 2019 at 8:17:17 PM UTC-4,
DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
trader4@optonline.net wrote in news:31a47c7a-aa24-44ab-88f7-
ea3192d5385e@googlegroups.com:

Sure, but no crashes attributed to fly-by-wire failures.

Learn to read.

Funny, you complain how evil Trump is, but you're just like him.
You make up complete BS, and then when challenged about it, you
lie and then just double down on it again and again. All you
posted was a link to wiki about the B1 bomber, nothing about all
the crashes attributed to fly-by-wire that you claimed. You're
also like Trump with the silly, childish insults. Birds of a
feather....


The crash data is there, idiot.

Sure it is. Just cut and paste right here the part about the crashes that
were caused by fly-by-wire. You know damn well if it existed, you would
have done that a week ago. I did that for you with two crashes that I
referenced, the DC-10 at O'Hare, the jet from Mexico to Seattle caused
by the horizontal stabilizer being freed from the jackscrew. Cut and
pasted the relevant parts right here. Cut and paste broken?


Wrong, always wrong.

 

[Wolf Bagger]

On 2019-05-15 05:07, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote:

Ground walnut shells have been used for cleaning for decades and
remaining particulate from them gets burned off.

Maybe in the 60s or something but no-one is going to put this junk
through a modern turbine with small internal orifices.

Turbines are also notable for not processing large chunks of bone during
normal operation. Any one which has processed a member of ground staff
is certainly going to receive a strip down before it sees further flight.