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I guess that's the oposite of a dumb-arse prick ....
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Superman
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On 3/01/2010 4:35 PM, atec 7 7 wrote:
and signal quality, but there are no numbers on the scale to indicate
what the measurement is. I'll true reducing the amplifier gain and see
what happens.
--
rgds,
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"Our journalists are finally noticing the elephant in the room. Rudd has given us grocery watch, fuel watch, a national dept our children will still be paying, an ETS scheme that will further bankrupt the nation without making an iota of difference to global warming. Rudd is all spin and no substance. Even worse, he expects to fool all people all the time." - media comment
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The DVDR is reporting 10 out of 10 on the scale for both signal strengthSuperman wrote:
On 2/01/2010 2:23 PM, atec 7 7 wrote:
Superman wrote:
On 2/01/2010 9:05 AM, David L. Jones wrote:
Superman"<"the _man_of_steel wrote:
'King Arthur' on channel 7 is unwatchable! It's constantly
pixilating,
although the DVDR says the signal quality and strength is 10! (full
scale) BUT the ads don't pixilate. Now why is that?
Too much compression. They can vary the compression at their end
to whatever
they want.
The standard def channels like 7 can really suck. Try watching
fast moving
sport action on a standard def channel and you'll see it all the
time.
Are you talking about artefacts? yes, it's pathetic. we have these
hi res panels and have to watch stuff that looks like it's come off
youtube!
The HD channels are much better and will rarely have this problem.
So the
rule is to watch the HD version of the channel (70)unless they are
annoyingly displaying a different show on the HD channel.
I was watching on 70. sorry, I didn't mention that. It was just
hopeless. but there was a storm and lightning last night. perhaps
that was a major cause. but I don't know how we are expected to
watch transmission like this.
Even if you don't
have a HD capable TV, it's worth getting a HD box just for this.
It's nothing to do with signal strength, digital TV either works
or it
doesn't. If the signal strength is too low to image will freeze, not
pixelate.
I tried attenuating the signal to see if that helped but it didn't.
I've heard that too strong a signal can cause pixilation and image
break up.
Dave.
In simple terms it might be equated with over-modulation in a radio
mike or similar and the waveform edges get messy hence failure to
hold lock well
Do you think if I reduce the amplifier gain it might help the situation?
you should really takes measurements although its a simple test and
cant hurt , how much signal does the stp report on the bad channel ?
and signal quality, but there are no numbers on the scale to indicate
what the measurement is. I'll true reducing the amplifier gain and see
what happens.
--
rgds,
Pete
=====
http://pw352.blogspot.com
"We stopped the boats coming. The facts speak for themselves. People knew where we stood. We didn't try to be all things to all men. Look, our policy worked. There was no need to alter it" - John Howard
"Our journalists are finally noticing the elephant in the room. Rudd has given us grocery watch, fuel watch, a national dept our children will still be paying, an ETS scheme that will further bankrupt the nation without making an iota of difference to global warming. Rudd is all spin and no substance. Even worse, he expects to fool all people all the time." - media comment
"I don't care what you f__kers think!" - The Hon Kevin Rudd MP, Prime Minister of Australia
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Superman
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On 2/01/2010 1:34 PM, Sylvia Else wrote:
that it's good quality. However, the fact that it's in a plastic box and
not metal has always been of some concern to me.
and there were no storms then. I'll give Panasonic a ring and see what
they have to say.
--
rgds,
Pete
=====
http://pw352.blogspot.com
"We stopped the boats coming. The facts speak for themselves. People knew where we stood. We didn't try to be all things to all men. Look, our policy worked. There was no need to alter it" - John Howard
"Our journalists are finally noticing the elephant in the room. Rudd has given us grocery watch, fuel watch, a national dept our children will still be paying, an ETS scheme that will further bankrupt the nation without making an iota of difference to global warming. Rudd is all spin and no substance. Even worse, he expects to fool all people all the time." - media comment
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The splitter is a Kingray and 'designed for digital' so I'm assumingSylvia Else wrote:
Superman wrote:
On 2/01/2010 12:55 PM, Sylvia Else wrote:
Superman wrote:
On 2/01/2010 11:45 AM, Sylvia Else wrote:
Superman wrote:
'King Arthur' on channel 7 is unwatchable! It's constantly
pixilating, although the DVDR says the signal quality and
strength is 10! (full scale) BUT the ads don't pixilate. Now why
is that?
Are you using an outdoor antenna?
Yes, I have a digital fringe range aerial running into a four way
splitter amplifier. (outer melb metro area location)
And why do the ads not pixilate? There must be some difference in
the nature of the transmission.
I wonder whether that's really the case. Ads occupy less time then
program material (though, admittedly, only half as much), and
you'll probably not be paying that much attention to them. So if
they do pixalate, you might not notice.
accepted
But, assuming the difference is real...
The word "pixilate" is used somewhat loosely. Overcompression can
create the situation where one becomes aware of the boundaries of
the 16x16 pixel macroblocks, particularly during pans.
A burst of noise can destroy the data so that a number of
macroblocks show manifestly wrong content.
I wonder which of these effects you're noticing.
the latter
The difference between ads and King Arthur may be that ads are not
down converted from HD. It's possible there's an incompatibility
between Seven's encoder, and your decoder.
Unless you're using a PVR to watch live broadcasts on a non-digital
TV, you might find a difference between using the PVR to do so, or
using the PVR to record and then play back, and using the digital
TV or STB to watch the broadcasts.
I have the current model Panasonic DVDR and recorded it
My own experience of digital TV is that it's pretty stable, with
visual glitches rare (less than one per several hours).
I think location is relevant in that regard.
Sylvia.
The best bet seems to be that it's a noise issue. Either someone in
your locality (including you yourself) is generating bursts of noise
that the antenna picks up, or mains noise is getting in - perhaps at
the splitter amplifier.
that it's good quality. However, the fact that it's in a plastic box and
not metal has always been of some concern to me.
The cabling is RG6 and I installed it myself, so that's not likely an issue.It would be worth checking that the antenna cable screen is properly
connected everywhere.
Ok, I'll try that thanks.If the problem is radiated noise from an electric arc, then you'd
probably hear it on an AM radio - particular one that's not tuned to
a station. You could try watchng live TV while such a radio is on,
and see whether there's a correlation between bad video on the TV and
noise on the radio.
Well the channel 10 5:00 news was pixilating badly yesterday at timesSylvia.
Um, or a thunderstorm.
and there were no storms then. I'll give Panasonic a ring and see what
they have to say.
Sylvia.
--
rgds,
Pete
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"Our journalists are finally noticing the elephant in the room. Rudd has given us grocery watch, fuel watch, a national dept our children will still be paying, an ETS scheme that will further bankrupt the nation without making an iota of difference to global warming. Rudd is all spin and no substance. Even worse, he expects to fool all people all the time." - media comment
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Mr.T
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"Superman" <"the _man_of_steel"@metropolis.com> wrote in message
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have to use an attenuator for SBS (no amplifier, just a strong signal)
MrT.
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Yep, if it's showing max signal, that would be the first thing to try. IDo you think if I reduce the amplifier gain it might help the
situation?
you should really takes measurements although its a simple test and
cant hurt , how much signal does the stp report on the bad channel ?
The DVDR is reporting 10 out of 10 on the scale for both signal strength
and signal quality, but there are no numbers on the scale to indicate
what the measurement is. I'll true reducing the amplifier gain and see
what happens.
have to use an attenuator for SBS (no amplifier, just a strong signal)
MrT.
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Superman wrote:
Nah, your blog makes you stoopid, blofelds_moron....
Superman wrote:
On 2/01/2010 1:45 PM, Phil Allison wrote:
"Super Stupid man"
That would be you for thinking that just because someone doesn't know a
lot about a particular subject, it means that they're stupid. How much
do you know about Medieval literature for example? Or Palaeoecology? Or
maybe carpentry or plumbing? Does it mean you're stupid if you know SFA
about any of those subjects, or a myriad of others I could mention? I
know far more about electronics matters than the average person, but
unlike you I don't consider that makes others stupid.
Nah, your blog makes you stoopid, blofelds_moron....
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Superman
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On 5/01/2010 5:52 PM, Mr.T wrote:
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rgds,
Pete
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"We stopped the boats coming. The facts speak for themselves. People knew where we stood. We didn't try to be all things to all men. Look, our policy worked. There was no need to alter it" - John Howard
"Our journalists are finally noticing the elephant in the room. Rudd has given us grocery watch, fuel watch, a national dept our children will still be paying, an ETS scheme that will further bankrupt the nation without making an iota of difference to global warming. Rudd is all spin and no substance. Even worse, he expects to fool all people all the time." - media comment
"I don't care what you f__kers think!" - The Hon Kevin Rudd MP, Prime Minister of Australia
So you were getting pixilation on SBS and that fixed it?"Superman"<"the _man_of_steel"@metropolis.com> wrote in message
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Do you think if I reduce the amplifier gain it might help the
situation?
you should really takes measurements although its a simple test and
cant hurt , how much signal does the stp report on the bad channel ?
The DVDR is reporting 10 out of 10 on the scale for both signal strength
and signal quality, but there are no numbers on the scale to indicate
what the measurement is. I'll true reducing the amplifier gain and see
what happens.
Yep, if it's showing max signal, that would be the first thing to try. I
have to use an attenuator for SBS (no amplifier, just a strong signal)
MrT.
--
rgds,
Pete
=====
http://pw352.blogspot.com
"We stopped the boats coming. The facts speak for themselves. People knew where we stood. We didn't try to be all things to all men. Look, our policy worked. There was no need to alter it" - John Howard
"Our journalists are finally noticing the elephant in the room. Rudd has given us grocery watch, fuel watch, a national dept our children will still be paying, an ETS scheme that will further bankrupt the nation without making an iota of difference to global warming. Rudd is all spin and no substance. Even worse, he expects to fool all people all the time." - media comment
"I don't care what you f__kers think!" - The Hon Kevin Rudd MP, Prime Minister of Australia
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Mr.T
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"Superman" <"the _man_of_steel"@metropolis.com> wrote in message
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that is your problem however.
MrT.
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Yep, and even worse was the horrible screeches on the audio. No guaranteesSo you were getting pixilation on SBS and that fixed it?
that is your problem however.
MrT.
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Superman
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On 6/01/2010 1:44 PM, Mr.T wrote:
fails, so you don't get those horrible noises.
I've reduced the amplifier gain now to minimum. It will be an easy fix
it it's the prob. I had the good sense to locate the splitter just
adjacent to the manhole so I can access it without actually having to
get into the roof cavity.
rgds,
Pete
=====
http://pw352.blogspot.com
"We stopped the boats coming. The facts speak for themselves. People knew where we stood. We didn't try to be all things to all men. Look, our policy worked. There was no need to alter it" - John Howard
"Our journalists are finally noticing the elephant in the room. Rudd has given us grocery watch, fuel watch, a national dept our children will still be paying, an ETS scheme that will further bankrupt the nation without making an iota of difference to global warming. Rudd is all spin and no substance. Even worse, he expects to fool all people all the time." - media comment
"I don't care what you f__kers think!" - The Hon Kevin Rudd MP, Prime Minister of Australia
I notice that the newer STB's, etc., mute the audio when the signal"Superman"<"the _man_of_steel"@metropolis.com> wrote in message
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So you were getting pixilation on SBS and that fixed it?
Yep, and even worse was the horrible screeches on the audio. No guarantees
that is your problem however.
fails, so you don't get those horrible noises.
I've reduced the amplifier gain now to minimum. It will be an easy fix
it it's the prob. I had the good sense to locate the splitter just
adjacent to the manhole so I can access it without actually having to
get into the roof cavity.
--MrT.
rgds,
Pete
=====
http://pw352.blogspot.com
"We stopped the boats coming. The facts speak for themselves. People knew where we stood. We didn't try to be all things to all men. Look, our policy worked. There was no need to alter it" - John Howard
"Our journalists are finally noticing the elephant in the room. Rudd has given us grocery watch, fuel watch, a national dept our children will still be paying, an ETS scheme that will further bankrupt the nation without making an iota of difference to global warming. Rudd is all spin and no substance. Even worse, he expects to fool all people all the time." - media comment
"I don't care what you f__kers think!" - The Hon Kevin Rudd MP, Prime Minister of Australia
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Superman
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On 2/01/2010 1:44 PM, David L. Jones wrote:
interactively and to the panel. However, doesn't the interference have
to come via the antenna cable? I also have all the video/audio gear
plugged into a Belkin filtration power board.
distortion that lasts anything up to a minute. Also I still get the
pixilation on timer record when no one is in the house, and on live TV
of course. I have now turned the amplifier gain to minimum and I plan on
relocating the antenna further from it's present close proximity to the
computer set up.
--
rgds,
Pete
=====
http://pw352.blogspot.com
"We stopped the boats coming. The facts speak for themselves. People knew where we stood. We didn't try to be all things to all men. Look, our policy worked. There was no need to alter it" - John Howard
"Our journalists are finally noticing the elephant in the room. Rudd has given us grocery watch, fuel watch, a national dept our children will still be paying, an ETS scheme that will further bankrupt the nation without making an iota of difference to global warming. Rudd is all spin and no substance. Even worse, he expects to fool all people all the time." - media comment
"I don't care what you f__kers think!" - The Hon Kevin Rudd MP, Prime Minister of Australia
I don't recall but I have a lot of other equipment connectedSuperman"<"the _man_of_steel wrote:
On 2/01/2010 12:55 PM, Sylvia Else wrote:
Superman wrote:
On 2/01/2010 11:45 AM, Sylvia Else wrote:
Superman wrote:
'King Arthur' on channel 7 is unwatchable! It's constantly
pixilating, although the DVDR says the signal quality and strength
is 10! (full scale) BUT the ads don't pixilate. Now why is that?
Are you using an outdoor antenna?
Yes, I have a digital fringe range aerial running into a four way
splitter amplifier. (outer melb metro area location)
And why do the ads not pixilate? There must be some difference in
the nature of the transmission.
I wonder whether that's really the case. Ads occupy less time then
program material (though, admittedly, only half as much), and you'll
probably not be paying that much attention to them. So if they do
pixalate, you might not notice.
accepted
But, assuming the difference is real...
The word "pixilate" is used somewhat loosely. Overcompression can
create the situation where one becomes aware of the boundaries of the
16x16 pixel macroblocks, particularly during pans.
A burst of noise can destroy the data so that a number of macroblocks
show manifestly wrong content.
I wonder which of these effects you're noticing.
the latter
In that case the cause could be anything.
The storm (even if it's passed you), electrical interference from a neighor
using a bit of equipment, or most likely something in your own house (washing
machine or lights for example), or a whole host of other stuff.
I have the current model Panasonic DVDR and recorded it
Were you playing with any gear while you recorded it?
interactively and to the panel. However, doesn't the interference have
to come via the antenna cable? I also have all the video/audio gear
plugged into a Belkin filtration power board.
Wouldn't such things cause just a very brief glitch? This is digitalSwitching lights off and on is a common cause of interference for example.
My garage roller door for example will completely blot every single digital
channel. And that's after I've tried all sorts of filtering techniques and
got a proper digital only log-periodic antenna.
My own experience of digital TV is that it's pretty stable, with
visual glitches rare (less than one per several hours).
I think location is relevant in that regard.
Yep, but I'm betting in this case it's a bit of gear in your house switching
on and off while you were recording.
distortion that lasts anything up to a minute. Also I still get the
pixilation on timer record when no one is in the house, and on live TV
of course. I have now turned the amplifier gain to minimum and I plan on
relocating the antenna further from it's present close proximity to the
computer set up.
Dave.
--
rgds,
Pete
=====
http://pw352.blogspot.com
"We stopped the boats coming. The facts speak for themselves. People knew where we stood. We didn't try to be all things to all men. Look, our policy worked. There was no need to alter it" - John Howard
"Our journalists are finally noticing the elephant in the room. Rudd has given us grocery watch, fuel watch, a national dept our children will still be paying, an ETS scheme that will further bankrupt the nation without making an iota of difference to global warming. Rudd is all spin and no substance. Even worse, he expects to fool all people all the time." - media comment
"I don't care what you f__kers think!" - The Hon Kevin Rudd MP, Prime Minister of Australia
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Superman
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On 4/01/2010 11:23 AM, geoff wrote:
digital so his initial remark was obfuscating.
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rgds,
Pete
=====
http://pw352.blogspot.com
"We stopped the boats coming. The facts speak for themselves. People knew where we stood. We didn't try to be all things to all men. Look, our policy worked. There was no need to alter it" - John Howard
"Our journalists are finally noticing the elephant in the room. Rudd has given us grocery watch, fuel watch, a national dept our children will still be paying, an ETS scheme that will further bankrupt the nation without making an iota of difference to global warming. Rudd is all spin and no substance. Even worse, he expects to fool all people all the time." - media comment
"I don't care what you f__kers think!" - The Hon Kevin Rudd MP, Prime Minister of Australia
If I've misjudged the gentleman I apologise. This was discussion aboutSuperman"<"the _man_of_steel wrote:
On 3/01/2010 4:21 PM, DaveS wrote:
On Sun, 03 Jan 2010 04:33:47 GMT, Superman<"the
_man_of_steel"@metropolis.com> wrote:
Well then you wouldn't have a problem with pixilation since you're
watching an analogue transmission not digital.
You finally worked it out - pick a kewpie doll from the top
shelf.....
smartarse prick..
I guess that's the oposite of a dumb-arse prick ....
digital so his initial remark was obfuscating.
geoff
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rgds,
Pete
=====
http://pw352.blogspot.com
"We stopped the boats coming. The facts speak for themselves. People knew where we stood. We didn't try to be all things to all men. Look, our policy worked. There was no need to alter it" - John Howard
"Our journalists are finally noticing the elephant in the room. Rudd has given us grocery watch, fuel watch, a national dept our children will still be paying, an ETS scheme that will further bankrupt the nation without making an iota of difference to global warming. Rudd is all spin and no substance. Even worse, he expects to fool all people all the time." - media comment
"I don't care what you f__kers think!" - The Hon Kevin Rudd MP, Prime Minister of Australia