bandwidth explosion

[Rick C]

On Sunday, July 21, 2019 at 5:46:43 AM UTC-4, DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:

Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote in
news:5eb5abc1-1f18-4d6e-9dd1-4c8c735f5604@googlegroups.com:

On Saturday, July 20, 2019 at 8:43:14 AM UTC-4,
DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> wrote in
news:gpfkr2Fgv0jU1@mid.individual.net:

On 18/07/2019 3:44 pm, John Larkin wrote:


At work, we signed up with MonkeyBrains for microwave internet
service. We ordered the 50+50 mbit plan. It's actually speed
testing about 350+350.

And at home, a guy from Comcast (our local cable TV pirates)
knocked on the door and proposed to upgrade us for free,
faster internet and more cable TV (including HBO) for about
half our current price. They swapped out the modem today and
the internet here is now running about 450+50 mbits. AT&T and
Sonic keep leaving flyers on the doorknob offering us a
gigabit.

Sounds like mad competition to give away bandwidth. The
backbone fiber links must be moving astronomical amounts of
data. Each county around here might need a petabit per second.



Marketing numbers has always been a thing, whether it's
bandwidth, the output torque of a car engine, or the battery
voltage on a portable drill.

People think higher is better, so that's what the marketers
give them. Sometimes it has some real theoretical significance
even if the user won't notice the difference. Sometimes not.

It's all part of the standard ploy of deceiving the ignorant
punter.

Sylvia.


Look at the GPS accuracy levels when it entered the market.

At first all a consumer could get is maybe 10 yard diameter
resolution and don't even think about getting a reading indoors,
while the mil boys enjoyed full, 'current' accuracy.

Now, folks do not even think about it, they pop up their map
app on
their 'smart' phone and their little blue blip pings their
location even if they are tooling down the street in a car.

A lot of that is improvements in the receiver sensitivity and
throwing more hardware at the problem to facilitate reception.


Nope. Initially it was not permitted for consumer level GPS
receivers to resolve to 'mil levels'.

After it was OKd it was simply a matter of the chip makers to make
a single chip solution needing onlt a single receive antenna device.

Then there was the addition of WAAS which can bring the location
error to as low as 10 feet with a bit of averaging.

It was an 'addition' to the spectrum of what consumers were allowed
to access.

BTW, before
all this the error was a lot more than 30 feet.


On CONSUMER devices.

I recall plotting
the location of a stationary receiver and seeing it wander nearly
100 feet from the starting reported location overnight.

Back then, it would report a differing location points with each
check, every whatever seconds. It did not matter. The military
gear, however, did not have this problem.

NIST used to ping your PC from Boulder Colo with a time setting
timestamp. It would even make up for latencies in your seral port.
Depending on your modem's ISP connection quality, you might see a
different time set timestamp every time you check. Mine got down to
less than a ms of change each test. Some vary more than a second
each time.


It's still not accurate enough to tell you which lane your car is
in. At least, not with a reasonable level of certainty.

A standing test (no motion) is most accurate and repeatable. A
moving test relies on 'old data', even if it is only a couple
milliseconds old and that causes errors.

Lane position determination is and or should be a purely optical
thing.

I hope no one takes any of these erroneous comments seriously, but then I likely don't need to explain that considering the source.

Limiting GPS devices by decree is not a very good way to accomplish whatever that would be intended to accomplish so they have always done it by technical means, i.e. Selective Availability which was turned off in 2000.

There is one limitation that is legally imposed on GPS receivers. They can not operate above some altitude and/or speed of travel to prevent them being used in ICBMs. With the various soft GPS receivers, this is not so effective since the code can be modified to remove this limitation.

I have worked with GPS receivers at several points in my career and I have never been told of any other "legal" limitations on receivers. In fact, they use GPS for surveying work where they use long averages to determine location to a wavelength of the GPS carrier, a few inches.

The military now gets better accuracy by using a different signal and modulation that aren't available to anyone else. Also, there are at least two other GPS-like systems and we have no control over how they are received. WAAS was added specifically to improve the accuracy of GPS for civilian use.

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[Rick C]

On Sunday, July 21, 2019 at 5:47:58 AM UTC-4, DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:

Joseph Gwinn <joegwinn@comcast.net> wrote in
news:0001HW.22E3854A011B26D5700003BCB2EF@news.giganews.com:

On Jul 20, 2019, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote
(in article <qgv28s$19l1$1@gioia.aioe.org&gt:

Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> wrote in
news:gpfkr2Fgv0jU1@mid.individual.net:

On 18/07/2019 3:44 pm, John Larkin wrote:


At work, we signed up with MonkeyBrains for microwave
internet service. We ordered the 50+50 mbit plan. It's
actually speed testing about 350+350.

And at home, a guy from Comcast (our local cable TV pirates)
knocked on the door and proposed to upgrade us for free,
faster internet and more cable TV (including HBO) for about
half our current price. They swapped out the modem today and
the internet here is now running about 450+50 mbits. AT&T and
Sonic keep leaving flyers on the doorknob offering us a
gigabit.

Sounds like mad competition to give away bandwidth. The
backbone fiber links must be moving astronomical amounts of
data. Each county around here might need a petabit per
second.

Marketing numbers has always been a thing, whether it's
bandwidth, the output torque of a car engine, or the battery
voltage on a portable drill.

People think higher is better, so that's what the marketers
give them. Sometimes it has some real theoretical significance
even if the user won't notice the difference. Sometimes not.

It's all part of the standard ploy of deceiving the ignorant
punter.

Sylvia.

Look at the GPS accuracy levels when it entered the market.

At first all a consumer could get is maybe 10 yard diameter
resolution and don't even think about getting a reading indoors,
while the mil boys enjoyed full, 'current' accuracy.

Now, folks do not even think about it, they pop up their map app
on their 'smart' phone and their little blue blip pings their
location even if they are tooling down the street in a car.

Marketing had nothing to do with it. One of the major satellite
vehicle upgrades was to increase the transmit power by about 10
dB, a very big deal. The other upgrade was to turn Selective
Availability off.

Joe Gwinn



GPS signals are the weakest signals we grab. They are right down
next to the noise floor.

More misinformation. They are about 20 dB below the noise floor. We manage to receive them via long averaging using the spreading codes. I expect most here understand the concept.

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[Rick C]

On Sunday, July 21, 2019 at 6:11:52 AM UTC-4, DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:

Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote in
news:f8a26258-15a2-42b2-8215-9104c146889a@googlegroups.com:

Why don't they have RADAR set up on every street to catch
speeders? Because it isn't worth the trouble in most cases. Even
cops speed. We don't worry about it.

Because radar suffers from paralax error IDing which car downrange
is actually doing the speed indicated and is not even used in court
in California for highways for that reason.

That is also why laser speed finders are used, because they target
specific vehicles for determination.

BOTH require human actuation.

It is not about being worth the trouble. The courts are gummed up
enough and the cost of such a system would be untennable.

All of the overpaid piggies need to get off their lazy asses and
start CHARGING all you jackass drivers that speed, and then cities
can stop pissing and moaning about lack of money. They ALSO need to
CHARGE EVERY car that has one of those damned covers on the tag. It
is illegal to obscure your tag in all 50 states. Even a clear cover
is an obscurance because it causes glare on off perpendicular views.
That and the rings around tags need to go too. And all the states
lacking front tag laws need to get off their asses and REQUIRE front
tags as well. Too many jackasses out there doing whatever they want
because they think they will get away with it, and too many
complacent pigs doing nothing about it.

And the damned open pipe bikers need a ticket too. Shame is a lot
of them are cops and that is the main reason why load pipe laws are
non existent in most states for bikes, yet exist FOOL force for cars.

Goddamned fat assed pigs should ALSO ALL have weight and waistline
restrictions.

If the fat fuck cannot manage his own fucking waistline, what are
we doing allowing the piss poor idiot to manage folks' freedoms?

So much misinformation, so little time. Stand alone radar is used in some locations. They are called "speed cameras". Again, I likely don't need to tell most here about this since they already know.

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[Rick C]

On Sunday, July 21, 2019 at 7:16:42 AM UTC-4, upsid...@downunder.com wrote:

On Sun, 21 Jul 2019 10:55:14 +0000 (UTC),
DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote:

upsidedown@downunder.com wrote in
news:l8g8jehdfb0ie8ejb15r84slo8209a7j0m@4ax.com:

The actual GPS data rate is only 50 bits/s so the bandwidth is even
much less and the SNR clearly positive.



-160 dBm

That is about right.

No, it's not right. It's either -130 dBm or -160 dBW. I got caught in this error when evaluating GPS modules. One manufacturer spec'ed dBW while everyone else used dBm and I called to ask how they could be so much better than anyone else, lol.

The noise density for a 300 K antenna temperature
is -174 dBm/Hz, which applies to upper VHF. In a 50 Hz bandwidth that
would be -157 dBm. However, at lower microwave bands and antennas
pointing towards the sky, the antenna temperature is closer to 100 K
or about -178 dBm/Hz, so you get a positive SNR at 50 Hz.

Of course, if you insist to compare for a 1.3 MHz noise bandwidth, the
total noise would be -117 dBm and with -160 dBm signal you would get
-43 dB SNR

So that number is actually -130 dBm and so only -13 dB worse than the noise... lol

A VERY weak signal. One of the weakest signals the world currently
processes.

Short of radiotelescope space noise stuff.

Radio telescopes get good sensitivity due to long integration times
(minutes to hours). For this reason, it took quite a long time before
pulsars were detected. The first detected pulsars had a repetition
rate about 1 Hz, too fast for the long integration times generally
used.

I read they found one with a period of just 1.6 us. 600 kHz! Wow.

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[Jan Panteltje]

On a sunny day (Sun, 21 Jul 2019 09:53:41 -0700) it happened Joerg
<news@analogconsultants.com> wrote in <gpjjklFcil5U2@mid.individual.net>:

See? That is what I meant. You do not need SPICE or everything.

Yes, but Winfield wanted me to check something in spice, so I had to boot up a 20 year old PC..

They were legal immigrant. Big difference.

They were fugitives from Germany I think.
Considering how trump behaves he is a disgrace.
Most illegal immigrants just want a better life they will keep a low key
and will avoid getting into trouble been arrested by the police and being deported.


Illegal is illegal. Either we respect the laws we have or we throw them
out the window. I am for respecting the laws and vote accordingly, of
course.

Character of a person versus a piece of paper.


Violating a border does show character problems.

No, different things.
It does show some guts I'd think.
This because I tried me myself... of course.

US cops that shoot people; one was just jailed, others were sacked I did read today.

Usually in a short while you can figure out what somebody is about.
trump maybe legal but he is bad... uses division, threats, lies, bullying,
he cannot even keep the white house together (one after the other leaves), so forget about America.
He was born with a silver spoon or 2 in his big mouth, and thinks he can wrestle the world
and make a show like he did on TV.
The world now has all its weapons pointed at the US.


I am sure the Dutch army does not.

In Volkel US nuculear bombs are stored:
https://vredessite.nl/kernwapens/factsheet2004.html
what tramp does not know (and I trust you not to tell anybody as it is a real deep secret)
is that those were all hacked by Donkere Veter and are now no longer under US control.
In fact the tramp red button is now connected to Fox TV.
Or so I have heard.


>[...]

 

[Cursitor Doom]

On Sat, 20 Jul 2019 12:36:22 -0700, Rick C wrote:

> Most illegals are here to have a better life.

No shit, Sherlock? Thanks a million for that valuable insight.



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[Rick C]

On Sunday, July 21, 2019 at 12:50:49 PM UTC-4, Joerg wrote:

On 2019-07-20 12:36, Rick C wrote:
On Saturday, July 20, 2019 at 3:07:18 PM UTC-4, Joerg wrote:
On 2019-07-20 10:31, Jan Panteltje wrote:
Most illegal immigrants just want a better life they will keep a
low key and will avoid getting into trouble been arrested by the
police and being deported.


Illegal is illegal. Either we respect the laws we have or we throw
them out the window. I am for respecting the laws and vote
accordingly, of course.

Really? You don't break any laws? Or you just don't get caught?


Even if I would, does that justify in your eyes that someone breaks the
law? Are you serious? Try that sort of "logic" in a court.

I'm not talking about court, I'm talking about your hypocrisy.


> No, I never knowingly break the law.

I don't believe that for a minute. You NEVER drive over the speed limit? You are the hypocrite talking about either obeying laws or throwing "them out the window".

Illegal aliens do. They do so
knowingly and deliberately. They usually continue to do so after
illegally hopping the border. For example, by not paying taxes, by using
fake social security numbers, by lying on applications.

Actually, most do pay taxes since they are taken out of their paychecks. The rest is what they have to do to survive. In general, illegals are not a problem and are an essential part of our economy.

Why don't they have RADAR set up on every street to catch speeders?
Because it isn't worth the trouble in most cases. Even cops speed.
We don't worry about it.


You have a weird sense of "law".

It's not just me, it's everyone.

Most illegals are here to have a better life.


Then they need to come here the legal way like I did.

Oh, I get it now. You did something and you think everyone should be just like YOU.

... I'm not suggesting we
should open the boarders, but I don't get the need for mass arrests
which would actually hurt us since so many illegals are doing jobs we
would have a hard time filling otherwise.

If we were to literally remove all illegals from the US overnight, it
would likely be the biggest blow to our economy we have ever seen.


So that makes breaking the law legal? Yeah, right.

I never said it was legal. I'm talking about treating problems with the attention they are due. Just like we don't work to catch every speeder on the roads, we should deal with the illegals according to the problem they create.

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[Joerg]

On 2019-07-20 14:50, tabbypurr@gmail.com wrote:

On Saturday, 20 July 2019 20:13:00 UTC+1, Joerg wrote:
On 2019-07-20 09:30, tabbypurr wrote:
On Saturday, 20 July 2019 15:46:31 UTC+1, Joerg wrote:
On 2019-07-19 17:10, tabbypurr wrote:
On Saturday, 20 July 2019 00:42:14 UTC+1, Joerg wrote:

Most people with substantial disposable income that I know live
a rather low-tech life. On purpose.

Most sales are not sold to people with 'substantial disposable
income'. ...


In terms of profit it is.

I don't have the figures. But fwiw when I look at the most profitable
companies I typically see them cater to people across most of the
spectrum, if not all.


Yeah, like here:

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/08/17/profit-ferrari-makes-per-car.html

Fortune 500 is more representative than just one luxury manufacturer

The hoity toity folks do not necessarily frequent large vendors. That's
usually not where the big profits are made.

[...]

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[Joerg]

On 2019-07-20 21:42, Bill Sloman wrote:

On Sunday, July 21, 2019 at 12:23:16 AM UTC+10, Joerg wrote:
On 2019-07-20 02:49, Bill Sloman wrote:
On Thursday, July 18, 2019 at 4:24:47 PM UTC+2, Joerg wrote:
On 2019-07-18 06:38, John Larkin wrote:
On Thu, 18 Jul 2019 06:58:00 GMT, Jan Panteltje
pNaOnStPeAlMtje@yahoo.com> wrote:

On a sunny day (Wed, 17 Jul 2019 22:44:42 -0700) it
happened John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com
wrote in <lg00jeprk72prv8hnua08fhfh9q9rnek30@4ax.com>:

snip

For me it is the same with phone data. Reluctantly I now have
a smart phone but on the cheapest plan I could cobble
together. Unlimited call, 500 texts, then a 30day pay-go 1GB
data package. I need maybe 15-30mins phone per month, 30-50
texts and last time I used a whopping 0.003GB of the 1GB data
package.

What I noted with all providers so far is that sometimes
Youtube videos completely stall out. Maybe they don't like
Youtube because they want to sell their own services.

I've had an Android smart-phone for a few years - I've now got a
Samsung S4 which was cheap, rather than the latest thing.

It came with a bunch of Google apps, and Google maps can be very
handy from time to time.

It also came with Google Play, which I knew nothing about and
never use.


It is the only place from where you can install apps on the phone.
For example for me, when I wanted a RPN calculator on it so I could
leave the HP-11C at home. There is a method to do it "from the
side" but AFAIK some stuff in the phone first needs to be hacked
for that. Most apps are only available via that "Play Store".


... I suddenly got a whopping data bill after a month of so in
the Netherlands mostly because Google play had downloaded 85
Mbytes of data over the mobile network.


85MB result in a whopping bill? That must have been a stingy cell
plan. I pay $5 for a 1GB chunk of data (pay-as-you-go method).

It's my Australian phone. They charge a lot more for data transfers
outside Australia - and last year tried to get me to shift to a plan
that didn't allow international roaming at all.

That can easily be turned of, doesn't require a new plan. I have roaming
limited to very few phone minutes and no data.

I switched it to getting it's data only over WiFi links, but that
was shutting the stable door after the horse had bolted. I was a
bit peeved to find that an app that I've never used had decided
that it needed 85 MB of data in case I might decide to use it.

I could have told you that as a newbie end of last year when
getting my first smart phone

The very first thing I did was turning off everything automatic.
Then toss all nagware and unwanted ballast just like one does after
buying a new PC. Updates only when on WiFi and so on. My typical
data usage is 3-30MB per month. Out of 1GB which always expires in
30 days so 994MB or more out of 1024MB expire unused.

I did some of that but wasn't rigorous about it.

With computers there days you have to be rigorous about it and a smart
phone is not essentially a computer. Otherwise you'll also expose
yourself to data siphoning and unwanted tracking. In some countries that
can even be dangerous.

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[Joerg]

On 2019-07-21 00:16, whit3rd wrote:

On Saturday, July 20, 2019 at 12:07:18 PM UTC-7, Joerg wrote:
On 2019-07-20 10:31, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Sat, 20 Jul 2019 07:40:22 -0700) it happened Joerg
news@analogconsultants.com> wrote in <gpgne7Fo3qhU1@mid.individual.net>:

On 2019-07-20 00:29, Jan Panteltje wrote:

... If it works I doubt, with trump stirring up
differences by telling children of immigrants to leave while his own
parent were immigrants themselves, ...


They were legal immigrant. Big difference.

They were fugitives from Germany I think.

Illegal is illegal. Either we respect the laws we have or we throw them
out the window.

Err... how do we know that an immigrant of yesteryear had 'all the paperwork in order'
at all times, and was thus 'legal'?

There is a registration for eveything. When you enterthe country, when
you leave it, for how long, et cetera.

I am an immigrant myself. It was not an easy process at all but every i
was dotted and evert t was crossed, 100% legal. That is how it should be
done.

... The current 'zero-tolerance' rules deport and apply sanctions to
a lot of folk, on the basis of rules that are NOT handed down by courts of law. A few months
ago, there was a fuss when a failed court appearance was explained thus: the
subject of the immigration hearing had been deported the day before.

They got that one back, but if it had been a week before, good luck finding him.

Hopping a border constitutes breach of the law. It doesn't need a court
to decide that to be illegal. The law says so.

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[Joerg]

On 2019-07-20 12:56, Jan Panteltje wrote:

On a sunny day (Sat, 20 Jul 2019 12:07:26 -0700) it happened Joerg
news@analogconsultants.com> wrote in <gph730Fre6tU1@mid.individual.net>:

On 2019-07-20 10:31, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Sat, 20 Jul 2019 07:40:22 -0700) it happened Joerg
news@analogconsultants.com> wrote in <gpgne7Fo3qhU1@mid.individual.net>:

On 2019-07-20 00:29, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Fri, 19 Jul 2019 16:23:55 -0700) it happened Joerg
news@analogconsultants.com> wrote in
gpf1nuFd8baU1@mid.individual.net>:

On 2019-07-18 22:55, Jan Panteltje wrote:

[...]


... But no power then you do not need
datasheets anyways, as your design would not work. ...


Huh? I can design anywhere and often did, way out in nature on a lonely
bush trail.

So you do not use Spice either ?


Sure I do but my ideas are all develped without any computer. Using
pencil and paper. I even found a schematic capture for my cell phone but
haven't used it yet. Ye olde pencil is faster.


No cell coverage or anything. Those are my most productiev
places. The only noise you can hear is wind, birds, some wildlife and
the occasional jetliner high up there. Those designs tend to work well.


... Working late into the night with an oil lamp?


We got modern, LED lamp


Aha, very good, I have 12V RGB LED strips in the living room,
designed a controller for that.
And a nice USB LED reading light.


I still have to make a 12V light but no controller. Just a few LEDs and
a switch-mode current source.

As you can see I always use pencil and paper too, the LED ethernet color controller
http://panteltje.com/panteltje/pic/ethernet_color_pic/

It even has a photo cell to automatically switch on lights. programmable timers to change lights so it looks like you are home.,
from 'xpequ'
http://panteltje.com/panteltje/xpequ/index.html
it can read music and have it control the LEDs, lowest frequencies for red, highest for blue,

It gets time from the LAN so no clock setting needed.

Most things that run here I wrote.. so the sky is the limit.

See? That is what I meant. You do not need SPICE or everything.

[...]



... If it works I doubt, with trump stirring up
differences by telling children of immigrants to leave while his own
parent were immigrants themselves, ...


They were legal immigrant. Big difference.

They were fugitives from Germany I think.
Considering how trump behaves he is a disgrace.
Most illegal immigrants just want a better life they will keep a low key
and will avoid getting into trouble been arrested by the police and being deported.


Illegal is illegal. Either we respect the laws we have or we throw them
out the window. I am for respecting the laws and vote accordingly, of
course.

Character of a person versus a piece of paper.

Violating a border does show character problems.

US cops that shoot people; one was just jailed, others were sacked I did read today.

Usually in a short while you can figure out what somebody is about.
trump maybe legal but he is bad... uses division, threats, lies, bullying,
he cannot even keep the white house together (one after the other leaves), so forget about America.
He was born with a silver spoon or 2 in his big mouth, and thinks he can wrestle the world
and make a show like he did on TV.
The world now has all its weapons pointed at the US.

I am sure the Dutch army does not.

[...]

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[Joerg]

On 2019-07-20 12:36, Rick C wrote:

On Saturday, July 20, 2019 at 3:07:18 PM UTC-4, Joerg wrote:
On 2019-07-20 10:31, Jan Panteltje wrote:
Most illegal immigrants just want a better life they will keep a
low key and will avoid getting into trouble been arrested by the
police and being deported.


Illegal is illegal. Either we respect the laws we have or we throw
them out the window. I am for respecting the laws and vote
accordingly, of course.

Really? You don't break any laws? Or you just don't get caught?

Even if I would, does that justify in your eyes that someone breaks the
law? Are you serious? Try that sort of "logic" in a court.

No, I never knowingly break the law. Illegal aliens do. They do so
knowingly and deliberately. They usually continue to do so after
illegally hopping the border. For example, by not paying taxes, by using
fake social security numbers, by lying on applications.

Why don't they have RADAR set up on every street to catch speeders?
Because it isn't worth the trouble in most cases. Even cops speed.
We don't worry about it.

You have a weird sense of "law".

Most illegals are here to have a better life.

Then they need to come here the legal way like I did.

... I'm not suggesting we
should open the boarders, but I don't get the need for mass arrests
which would actually hurt us since so many illegals are doing jobs we
would have a hard time filling otherwise.

If we were to literally remove all illegals from the US overnight, it
would likely be the biggest blow to our economy we have ever seen.

So that makes breaking the law legal? Yeah, right.

[...]

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http://www.analogconsultants.com/

 

[Joerg]

On 2019-07-21 10:04, Rick C wrote:

On Sunday, July 21, 2019 at 12:50:49 PM UTC-4, Joerg wrote:
On 2019-07-20 12:36, Rick C wrote:
On Saturday, July 20, 2019 at 3:07:18 PM UTC-4, Joerg wrote:
On 2019-07-20 10:31, Jan Panteltje wrote:
Most illegal immigrants just want a better life they will
keep a low key and will avoid getting into trouble been
arrested by the police and being deported.


Illegal is illegal. Either we respect the laws we have or we
throw them out the window. I am for respecting the laws and
vote accordingly, of course.

Really? You don't break any laws? Or you just don't get
caught?


Even if I would, does that justify in your eyes that someone breaks
the law? Are you serious? Try that sort of "logic" in a court.

I'm not talking about court, I'm talking about your hypocrisy.

Look in the mirror.

No, I never knowingly break the law.

I don't believe that for a minute. You NEVER drive over the speed
limit?

No. Unless I didn't see the speed limit sign. Therefore, not knowingly.

... You are the hypocrite talking about either obeying laws or
throwing "them out the window".

You are judging someone you no nothing about.

Illegal aliens do. They do so knowingly and deliberately. They
usually continue to do so after illegally hopping the border. For
example, by not paying taxes, by using fake social security
numbers, by lying on applications.

Actually, most do pay taxes since they are taken out of their
paychecks.

No. They get paid under the table, by the guy picking them up outside
the hardware store.

... The rest is what they have to do to survive. In general,
illegals are not a problem and are an essential part of our economy.

And that makes breaking the law legal?

Why don't they have RADAR set up on every street to catch
speeders? Because it isn't worth the trouble in most cases. Even
cops speed. We don't worry about it.


You have a weird sense of "law".

It's not just me, it's everyone.

No. As was evidenced by the 2016 election. And will likely be in the
2020 election.

Most illegals are here to have a better life.


Then they need to come here the legal way like I did.

Oh, I get it now. You did something and you think everyone should be
just like YOU.

Yes, everyone should obey the law.

... I'm not suggesting we should open the boarders, but I don't
get the need for mass arrests which would actually hurt us since
so many illegals are doing jobs we would have a hard time filling
otherwise.

If we were to literally remove all illegals from the US
overnight, it would likely be the biggest blow to our economy we
have ever seen.


So that makes breaking the law legal? Yeah, right.

I never said it was legal. I'm talking about treating problems with
the attention they are due. Just like we don't work to catch every
speeder on the roads, we should deal with the illegals according to
the problem they create.

You said one should no enforce the law. I am of opposite opinion.

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[Cursitor Doom]

On Sun, 21 Jul 2019 09:57:01 -0700, Joerg wrote:

I am an immigrant myself. It was not an easy process at all but every i
was dotted and evert t was crossed, 100% legal. That is how it should be
done.

Absolutely. And it should be a symbiotic relationship, too, so everyone
benefits.
Unfortunately we have this situation today where nation-wrecking
Globalists are calling the shots and actively working to destroy the
nation state and good governance. They use mass immigration as a weapon
to destroy the indigenous cultures of the West and anyone who dares to
question what they're doing is smeared as a "racist" or a "narrow-minded
nationalist." It's about time for decent people to lose their fear of
being smeared with rude names and called these dirty, lying, scheming
bastards out on what they're doing. It's Slomanian Cultural Marxism and
it's pure poison to a healthy society.



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Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote in
news:9bdc5955-3297-459a-9d70-2262ecf49a07@googlegroups.com:

The military now gets better accuracy by using a different signal
and modulation that aren't available to anyone else.

They ALWAYS "got better resolution" ya dope.

And yes, in the early days consumer level units were absolutely
limited by decree as well as by the hdw that was available to them at
the time. A lot of the chips were mil only devices at first.

 

Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote in
news:6b7401e7-2196-4b67-af9b-40038128dab3@googlegroups.com:

On Sunday, July 21, 2019 at 5:47:58 AM UTC-4,
DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
Joseph Gwinn <joegwinn@comcast.net> wrote in
news:0001HW.22E3854A011B26D5700003BCB2EF@news.giganews.com:

On Jul 20, 2019, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote
(in article <qgv28s$19l1$1@gioia.aioe.org&gt:

Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> wrote in
news:gpfkr2Fgv0jU1@mid.individual.net:

On 18/07/2019 3:44 pm, John Larkin wrote:


At work, we signed up with MonkeyBrains for microwave
internet service. We ordered the 50+50 mbit plan. It's
actually speed testing about 350+350.

And at home, a guy from Comcast (our local cable TV
pirates) knocked on the door and proposed to upgrade us
for free, faster internet and more cable TV (including
HBO) for about half our current price. They swapped out
the modem today and the internet here is now running about
450+50 mbits. AT&T and Sonic keep leaving flyers on the
doorknob offering us a gigabit.

Sounds like mad competition to give away bandwidth. The
backbone fiber links must be moving astronomical amounts
of data. Each county around here might need a petabit per
second.

Marketing numbers has always been a thing, whether it's
bandwidth, the output torque of a car engine, or the battery
voltage on a portable drill.

People think higher is better, so that's what the marketers
give them. Sometimes it has some real theoretical
significance even if the user won't notice the difference.
Sometimes not.

It's all part of the standard ploy of deceiving the ignorant
punter.

Sylvia.

Look at the GPS accuracy levels when it entered the market.

At first all a consumer could get is maybe 10 yard diameter
resolution and don't even think about getting a reading
indoors, while the mil boys enjoyed full, 'current' accuracy.

Now, folks do not even think about it, they pop up their map
app on their 'smart' phone and their little blue blip pings
their location even if they are tooling down the street in a
car.

Marketing had nothing to do with it. One of the major satellite
vehicle upgrades was to increase the transmit power by about 10
dB, a very big deal. The other upgrade was to turn Selective
Availability off.

Joe Gwinn



GPS signals are the weakest signals we grab. They are right
down
next to the noise floor.

More misinformation.

Bullshit, you retarded motherfucker.

> They are about 20 dB below the noise floor.

You are not very bright.

We manage to receive them via long averaging using the spreading
codes. I expect most here understand the concept.

This is not about HOW we get them. The declaration was about the
power of a received signal.

Again, they are among the weakest signals we process.

-111 dBm 0.008 pW = 8 fW Thermal noise floor for commercial
GPS single-channel signal bandwidth (2 MHz)
-127.5 dBm 0.178 fW = 178 aW Typical received signal power
from a GPS satellite
-174 dBm 0.004 aW = 4 zW Thermal noise floor for 1 Hz
bandwidth at room temperature (20 °C)
-192.5 dBm 0.056 zW = 56 yW Thermal noise floor for 1 Hz
bandwidth in outer space (4 kelvins)
-8 dBm 0 W Zero power is not well-expressed in dBm (value is
negative infinity)


>

 

Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote in
news:a98e20bd-fa9c-4e8c-bd37-4937fef3ff06@googlegroups.com:

> So much misinformation, so little time.

You're a goddamned retard... ALL THE TIME.

Stand alone radar is used
in some locations.

I never said it wasn't you fucking retarded, illiterate fuck.
I said that radar is flawed.


> They are called "speed cameras".

Cameras are not radar.

Again, I
likely don't need to tell most here about this since they already
know.

You are a goddamned single minded dumbfuck. They are NOT used in
southern California. Just because you are in a place that does use
them does not mean they are used everywhere. Wake the fuck up. And
you would not know what folks here think if your pathetic life
depended on it.

 

Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote in news:3856f20c-9bbd-
4339-966b-48dadce7a350@googlegroups.com:

I read they found one with a period of just 1.6 us. 600 kHz! Wow.

Some spin even faster than that.

Just because we have yet to observe nature does not mean it is not
out there.

There was a time when idiots were certain that we were the only
life in the universe and that black holes were a myth.

Now, we get herpes virus on our spacecraft windows and have proven
that even super massive black holes are a reality.

 

[Rick C]

On Sunday, July 21, 2019 at 1:09:54 PM UTC-4, Joerg wrote:

On 2019-07-21 10:04, Rick C wrote:

I never said it was legal. I'm talking about treating problems with
the attention they are due. Just like we don't work to catch every
speeder on the roads, we should deal with the illegals according to
the problem they create.


You said one should no enforce the law. I am of opposite opinion.

Not sure what "no enforce the law" means exactly, but if you meant "not enforce the law" then that's not what I said. Obviously you are reading what you want me to be saying and not really paying attention. No point in trying to discuss this with you.

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Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote in news:b30398e7-2492-
4196-9d9c-fcdfc55681ef@googlegroups.com:

> No point in trying to discuss this with you.

You say that a lot, but it appears that it is you sporting a literacy
issue and failing to explain your blather worth a shit.

And then declaring "no point" baby bullshit cracks as if you are some
superior being.

What you really are is a self impotent (even for this place) total
piece of shit.