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On Sat, 19 Feb 2005 21:33:05 -0500, keith wrote:

He is well paid who is well satisfied ...

Yikes! That sounds downright commie!
Sounds more like "Market Forces" to me. Written over 400 years ago.

--
Then there's duct tape ...
(Garrison Keillor)
 
On Sat, 19 Feb 2005 19:39:18 -0800, Winfield Hill wrote:

Fred Abse wrote...

Winfield Hill wrote:

Fred Abse wrote...
................................<snip>.........................

He is well paid who is well satisfied ...

Good point.
I can't, in all honesty, take credit for that phrase. It was written by a
guy in Stratford-upon-Avon, England, about 400 years ago :)

But be careful, satisfaction doesn't buy homes or put food
on the table
I'd call that level "adequately paid". "Well paid", I would put at a level
that enables a moderate degree of luxury in addition.


Somehow I doubt that many Linux programmers are
"overpaid." There's lots of competition in that field.
I agree with you there.

And soon the Indian outsourcing community will make inroads. But my
guess is Indian that outsource managers do better when a software spec
has been written, or verbally spelled out by a hiring-company's
developers. So perhaps the offshore-programming approach will not work
well with the expoding free-software initiatives.

In the case of Linux development, the idea-generators will rule.
As long as the bean-counters don't get too much of a hold :-(

--
Then there's duct tape ...
(Garrison Keillor)
 
On Sun, 20 Feb 2005 16:02:02 +0000, Fred Abse wrote:

On Sat, 19 Feb 2005 21:33:05 -0500, keith wrote:

He is well paid who is well satisfied ...

Yikes! That sounds downright commie!

Sounds more like "Market Forces" to me. Written over 400 years ago.
Nope. "Satisfied" smacks of "he's paid enough". i.e. communist.

--
Keith
 
I read in sci.electronics.design that keith <krw@att.bizzzz> wrote (in
<pan.2005.02.20.18.18.46.739081@att.bizzzz>) about 'Elektor Electronics
new website', on Sun, 20 Feb 2005:
On Sun, 20 Feb 2005 16:02:02 +0000, Fred Abse wrote:

On Sat, 19 Feb 2005 21:33:05 -0500, keith wrote:

He is well paid who is well satisfied ...

Yikes! That sounds downright commie!

Sounds more like "Market Forces" to me. Written over 400 years ago.

Nope. "Satisfied" smacks of "he's paid enough". i.e. communist.

Well, almost any sentence can be distorted to mean something unlikely
(it's normal practice with standards!). But 'satisfied' here surely
means 'what he agrees is sufficient'.
--
Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only.
The good news is that nothing is compulsory.
The bad news is that everything is prohibited.
http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Also see http://www.isce.org.uk
 
On Sun, 20 Feb 2005 18:53:30 +0000, John Woodgate wrote:

I read in sci.electronics.design that keith <krw@att.bizzzz> wrote (in
pan.2005.02.20.18.18.46.739081@att.bizzzz>) about 'Elektor Electronics
new website', on Sun, 20 Feb 2005:
On Sun, 20 Feb 2005 16:02:02 +0000, Fred Abse wrote:

On Sat, 19 Feb 2005 21:33:05 -0500, keith wrote:

He is well paid who is well satisfied ...

Yikes! That sounds downright commie!

Sounds more like "Market Forces" to me. Written over 400 years ago.

Nope. "Satisfied" smacks of "he's paid enough". i.e. communist.

Well, almost any sentence can be distorted to mean something unlikely
(it's normal practice with standards!). But 'satisfied' here surely
means 'what he agrees is sufficient'.
How do you excuse "overpaid", as in Fred's comment:

Yes, I guess it all revolves around what one considers "well paid".
Maybe I should have said "overpaid"

Programmers "overpaid" by whose standards? The politburo?

--
Keith
 
On Sun, 20 Feb 2005 13:18:46 -0500, keith wrote:

Nope. "Satisfied" smacks of "he's paid enough". i.e. communist
Other way round. The recipient satisfied with the payment that has been
agreed. That's bargaining. The basis of capitalism.

--
Then there's duct tape ...
(Garrison Keillor)
 
On Sun, 20 Feb 2005 20:59:53 +0000, Fred Abse wrote:

On Sun, 20 Feb 2005 13:18:46 -0500, keith wrote:

Nope. "Satisfied" smacks of "he's paid enough". i.e. communist

Other way round. The recipient satisfied with the payment that has been
agreed. That's bargaining. The basis of capitalism.
But then you go on to say:

Maybe I should have said "overpaid"

Which is worthy of a Cossack hat.

--
Keith
 
On Sun, 20 Feb 2005 19:34:27 -0500, keith <krw@att.bizzzz> put finger
to keyboard and composed:

On Sun, 20 Feb 2005 20:59:53 +0000, Fred Abse wrote:

On Sun, 20 Feb 2005 13:18:46 -0500, keith wrote:

Nope. "Satisfied" smacks of "he's paid enough". i.e. communist

Other way round. The recipient satisfied with the payment that has been
agreed. That's bargaining. The basis of capitalism.
A perfect capitalist bargain is struck when neither party is
satisfied.

But then you go on to say:

Maybe I should have said "overpaid"

Which is worthy of a Cossack hat.
Cossacks were *not* communists. In fact your glib remark does them a
gross disservice. During WW2 they fought on both sides, some to free
Russia from the existing tyranny of Stalin, others to protect Russia
from the impending tyranny of Hitler.

See http://www.geocities.com/SouthBeach/Marina/6150/cos.html

After WW2 the British intentionally repatriated tens of thousands of
Cossack POWs and refugees (and many others) knowing that they would
all be butchered by Stalin (ref. "The Minister and the Massacre"
(1986) by Nikolai Tolstoy).


- Franc Zabkar
--
Please remove one 's' from my address when replying by email.
 
I read in sci.electronics.design that Franc Zabkar
<fzabkar@optussnet.com.au> wrote (in <qqri11li4037j2pv18mpj37pd0jqrqg32c
@4ax.com>) about 'Elektor Electronics new website', on Mon, 21 Feb 2005:

After WW2 the British intentionally repatriated tens of thousands of
Cossack POWs and refugees (and many others) knowing that they would all
be butchered by Stalin (ref. "The Minister and the Massacre" (1986) by
Nikolai Tolstoy).
It was bad, but there was not much choice. There was a real fear that
Stalin would switch his attack to US, Britain and France, and this issue
would very probably have triggered that.
--
Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only.
The good news is that nothing is compulsory.
The bad news is that everything is prohibited.
http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Also see http://www.isce.org.uk
 
On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 16:21:16 +1100, Franc Zabkar wrote:

On Sun, 20 Feb 2005 19:34:27 -0500, keith <krw@att.bizzzz> put finger
to keyboard and composed:

On Sun, 20 Feb 2005 20:59:53 +0000, Fred Abse wrote:

On Sun, 20 Feb 2005 13:18:46 -0500, keith wrote:

Nope. "Satisfied" smacks of "he's paid enough". i.e. communist

Other way round. The recipient satisfied with the payment that has been
agreed. That's bargaining. The basis of capitalism.

A perfect capitalist bargain is struck when neither party is
satisfied.
Bullshit. That is absolutely wrong. If you believe this to be true,
then someone has taught you an untruth, that could be a very dangerous
thing if it becomes popular.

Under the "perfect" capitalist system, if both parties don't make a profit,
they simply will choose to not do the deal. Under Capitalism, _everybody_
wins, because every transaction is between two people, each of which is
seeking a profit. If I have a bunch of A, but would like to have some
B, and you have a bunch of B, but would like to have some A, then you
and I can discuss how much of your B is worth how much of my A, and we
both come away better off in our own way - I have more B, which I wanted,
and have a little less A, which I didn't want all that much anyway, and
you have some more A, which you wanted, and didn't pay any more B for
it than you felt was fair and equitable.

_THAT_ is what Free Trade is all about.

Hope This Helps!
Rich
 
I read in sci.electronics.design that Richard the Dreaded Libertarian
<eatmyshorts@doubleclick.net> wrote (in <pan.2005.02.21.09.14.12.772084@
doubleclick.net>) about 'Elektor Electronics new website', on Mon, 21
Feb 2005:
On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 16:21:16 +1100, Franc Zabkar wrote:

On Sun, 20 Feb 2005 19:34:27 -0500, keith <krw@att.bizzzz> put finger
to keyboard and composed:

On Sun, 20 Feb 2005 20:59:53 +0000, Fred Abse wrote:

On Sun, 20 Feb 2005 13:18:46 -0500, keith wrote:

Nope. "Satisfied" smacks of "he's paid enough". i.e. communist

Other way round. The recipient satisfied with the payment that has been
agreed. That's bargaining. The basis of capitalism.

A perfect capitalist bargain is struck when neither party is
satisfied.

Bullshit. That is absolutely wrong. If you believe this to be true, then
someone has taught you an untruth, that could be a very dangerous thing
if it becomes popular.
It would be better stated as 'only just satisfied', i.e. neither (or
perhaps both) is/are gloating over fleecing the other.

A Scotsman bought a small item for a pound, and spent some time counting
the change. The shop assistant asked 'Is it right?' 'Nobbut just!' was
the dour reply.
--
Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only.
The good news is that nothing is compulsory.
The bad news is that everything is prohibited.
http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Also see http://www.isce.org.uk
 
"John Woodgate" <jmw@jmwa.demon.contraspam.yuk> wrote in message
news:sVn9btAICcGCFwHS@jmwa.demon.co.uk...

A Scotsman bought a small item for a pound, and spent some time counting
the change. The shop assistant asked 'Is it right?' 'Nobbut just!' was
the dour reply.
For the Americans: That means "Just barely." :)
 
"Kryten" <kryten_droid_obfusticator@ntlworld.com> wrote in message news:<iCeRd.3$xU5.0@newsfe1-win.ntli.net>...
"john jardine" <john@jjdesigns.fsnet.co.uk> wrote in message
news:cv3mml$tbm$1@newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk...

I've never done it before but threw February's issue in the bin . Had
hoped
the exotically named Svetlana would be offering a similar vision for the
mag'.
Not so, (fishing mag out of rubbish) ...

Potentia. "Digital tool warns against system power failure"
Multiband OFDM Alliance. PHY 1.0 spec.
Medea+. MPUs fall foul of Moores Law.
Medea+. "European R+D.
Medea+. EU R+D cooperation.
Altium. Easy 32 bit processor for FPGA.
DiBcom. DVB-H mobile TV Silicon ***
Peregrine Semicon. Silicon on Sapphire.
PICMG (PCI) group. Advanced TCA compliant products.
ARC International. New 'platforms'.
Biotech wetware.
Future Electronics. ADCs (trivia).
Lattice semicon. FPGA digital screens.
LPRA. Patient care.

*** Most TLAs ever gathered in one place.

These and other paid for advertising 'puffs', made up most of what's now
become a trade mag'. The 'articles' were the usual, moronic, unreadable BS
written by marketing people. Svetlana's taken the advertising shilling yet
has the cheek to try and charge me Ł3.25.
I'll give her a couple more issues before I cancel the magazine.

Yes, these titles do sound like industrial press releases (which can be read
for free in the trade mags).

Mind you, I don't envy her position.

The readers are dwindling because there are fewer people interested in stuff
like amateur radio or making hi-fi. Professional outfits have got the
resources to develop sophisticated products.

The writers are dwindling because fewer of them have the time or inclination
to write for a pittance. After Hood died, there was only the lunatic fringe
left.

In the days when a radio was something you could make yourself, you could
fit an interesting article into a couple of pages and a circuit diagram.

These days you need reams of source code and a very long explanation!

On top of that, if anyone has a project they think others might be
interested in, they can publish it on the web themselves.

I think we need to write a list of what we want to read, then wonder who is
going to write it.

K.
Could you (and others here) list topics they would like to read about?

I've written about 15 articles for EW over the last 3 years, and have
had little feedback from readers (apart from the odd student wanting
help with their project)

Perhaps they are a)too boring b)too irrelevant c)too incomprehensible

I'd just like to know!!
 
In article <cv90p60sk9@drn.newsguy.com>,
Winfield Hill <hill_a@t_rowland-dotties-harvard-dot.s-edu> wrote:
[....]
Good point. But be careful, satisfaction doesn't buy homes or put
food on the table. Somehow I doubt that many Linux programmers are
"overpaid." There's lots of competition in that field.
Many Linux programmers work for free and are over paid at that :)

I have been surprised by the quality of the software that people develope
for free. This surprise has usually been in the positive direction. It
is a weird "business model" but I can see it becoming a major force in the
future. I have often written software for a specific task that could,
chances are, save others a few hours of time. There is no way I could
market such software and make a profit but if I had some way to easily
share it and the others had a fast way to find it, I would share it.

And soon the Indian outsourcing community will make inroads. But
my guess is Indian that outsource managers do better when a software
spec has been written, or verbally spelled out by a hiring-company's
developers. So perhaps the offshore-programming approach will not
work well with the expoding free-software initiatives.
I predict that within 20 years, Indian companies will be outsourcing in a
big way. Even the largest democracy will find it doesn't have enough of
certain types of workers.


--
--
kensmith@rahul.net forging knowledge
 
On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 16:21:16 +1100, Franc Zabkar wrote:

On Sun, 20 Feb 2005 19:34:27 -0500, keith <krw@att.bizzzz> put finger
to keyboard and composed:

On Sun, 20 Feb 2005 20:59:53 +0000, Fred Abse wrote:

On Sun, 20 Feb 2005 13:18:46 -0500, keith wrote:

Nope. "Satisfied" smacks of "he's paid enough". i.e. communist

Other way round. The recipient satisfied with the payment that has been
agreed. That's bargaining. The basis of capitalism.

A perfect capitalist bargain is struck when neither party is
satisfied.
Bullshit! If you truely believe this you're not worth doing business
with.
But then you go on to say:

Maybe I should have said "overpaid"

Which is worthy of a Cossack hat.

Cossacks were *not* communists. In fact your glib remark does them a
gross disservice. During WW2 they fought on both sides, some to free
Russia from the existing tyranny of Stalin, others to protect Russia
from the impending tyranny of Hitler.
Ok, so you're a Cossack, and not a commie. Russian hats, all the same.

See http://www.geocities.com/SouthBeach/Marina/6150/cos.html

After WW2 the British intentionally repatriated tens of thousands of
Cossack POWs and refugees (and many others) knowing that they would all
be butchered by Stalin (ref. "The Minister and the Massacre" (1986) by
Nikolai Tolstoy).
<yawn>

--
Keith
 
On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 21:46:20 -0500, keith <krw@att.bizzzz> put finger
to keyboard and composed:

On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 16:21:16 +1100, Franc Zabkar wrote:

On Sun, 20 Feb 2005 19:34:27 -0500, keith <krw@att.bizzzz> put finger
to keyboard and composed:

On Sun, 20 Feb 2005 20:59:53 +0000, Fred Abse wrote:

On Sun, 20 Feb 2005 13:18:46 -0500, keith wrote:

Nope. "Satisfied" smacks of "he's paid enough". i.e. communist

Other way round. The recipient satisfied with the payment that has been
agreed. That's bargaining. The basis of capitalism.

A perfect capitalist bargain is struck when neither party is
satisfied.

Bullshit! If you truely believe this you're not worth doing business
with.
This particular position can be viewed in many ways, each equally
valid. It's a bit like that proverbial half glass - you can see it as
half full, half empty, or twice as big as it needs to be. In this
particular case, if the employee were satisfied, then the employer
would be thinking, "damn, I could have screwed him down a little
more". OTOH, if the employer were happy, then the employee would be
thinking, "damn, I should have tried to screw more out of him". The
ideal bargain is reached when *neither* party is happy because it
follows that *both* would then be happy.

But then you go on to say:

Maybe I should have said "overpaid"

Which is worthy of a Cossack hat.

Cossacks were *not* communists. In fact your glib remark does them a
gross disservice. During WW2 they fought on both sides, some to free
Russia from the existing tyranny of Stalin, others to protect Russia
from the impending tyranny of Hitler.

Ok, so you're a Cossack, and not a commie. Russian hats, all the same.
No, I'm none of the above. I'm just someone whose view of the world
extends beyond his own backyard.

See http://www.geocities.com/SouthBeach/Marina/6150/cos.html

After WW2 the British intentionally repatriated tens of thousands of
Cossack POWs and refugees (and many others) knowing that they would all
be butchered by Stalin (ref. "The Minister and the Massacre" (1986) by
Nikolai Tolstoy).

yawn
You are already well established in Usenet as an arrogant buffoon, but
this comment is a new low, even for you. Your original comment was
ignorant but forgiveable. A man of stature would have apologised and
moved on, but you are not such a man.

- Franc Zabkar
--
"Until the Gulf War, I thought Iraq was the past tense of Iran."
- attributed to some American stand-up comedian whose name I forget.

Please remove one 's' from my address when replying by email.
 
Fred Abse wrote:
On Sat, 19 Feb 2005 11:10:01 -0800, Winfield Hill wrote:


Fred Abse wrote...

[quoted text muted]

That's right. I guess it was your 'probably not "well paid"' comment
that set me off. Software engineers at IBM, Sun, Novell, Red Hat, HP,
Intel, CA, and Cisco, to mention a few places where massive Linux
programming is done, are probably quite well paid. Linux development is
serious business now.


Yes, I guess it all revolves around what one considers "well paid". Maybe
I should have said "overpaid"

He is well paid who is well satisfied ...

As I once joked with my boss, "...if you paid me twice as much I'd only have to
come in half the time."

--
Dirk

The Consensus:-
The political party for the new millenium
http://www.theconsensus.org
 
On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 16:54:21 +1100, Franc Zabkar wrote:

On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 21:46:20 -0500, keith <krw@att.bizzzz> put finger
to keyboard and composed:

On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 16:21:16 +1100, Franc Zabkar wrote:

On Sun, 20 Feb 2005 19:34:27 -0500, keith <krw@att.bizzzz> put finger
to keyboard and composed:

On Sun, 20 Feb 2005 20:59:53 +0000, Fred Abse wrote:

On Sun, 20 Feb 2005 13:18:46 -0500, keith wrote:

Nope. "Satisfied" smacks of "he's paid enough". i.e. communist

Other way round. The recipient satisfied with the payment that has been
agreed. That's bargaining. The basis of capitalism.

A perfect capitalist bargain is struck when neither party is
satisfied.

Bullshit! If you truely believe this you're not worth doing business
with.

This particular position can be viewed in many ways, each equally
valid. It's a bit like that proverbial half glass - you can see it as
half full, half empty, or twice as big as it needs to be. In this
particular case, if the employee were satisfied, then the employer
would be thinking, "damn, I could have screwed him down a little
more". OTOH, if the employer were happy, then the employee would be
thinking, "damn, I should have tried to screw more out of him". The
ideal bargain is reached when *neither* party is happy because it
follows that *both* would then be happy.
Nope. If you're not happy trading your dollar for a loaf of bread and the
baker isn't happy parting with his loaf of bread for a dollar, you have
no business doing business. You like your dollar too much and he likes
his bread too much. May you eat your dollar and he spend his bread.
But then you go on to say:

Maybe I should have said "overpaid"

Which is worthy of a Cossack hat.

Cossacks were *not* communists. In fact your glib remark does them a
gross disservice. During WW2 they fought on both sides, some to free
Russia from the existing tyranny of Stalin, others to protect Russia
from the impending tyranny of Hitler.

Ok, so you're a Cossack, and not a commie. Russian hats, all the same.

No, I'm none of the above. I'm just someone whose view of the world
extends beyond his own backyard.
If you cannot get with a figure of speech, then you indeed are hopless, as
you have been every time we've crossed paths.

See
http://www.geocities.com/SouthBeach/Marina/6150/cos.html

After WW2 the British intentionally repatriated tens of thousands of
Cossack POWs and refugees (and many others) knowing that they would
all be butchered by Stalin (ref. "The Minister and the Massacre"
(1986) by Nikolai Tolstoy).

yawn

You are already well established in Usenet as an arrogant buffoon, but
this comment is a new low, even for you. Your original comment was
ignorant but forgiveable. A man of stature would have apologised and
moved on, but you are not such a man.
Perhaps I am arrogant, but you've proven to be a ignorant time we've
crossed paths. Apologise to human waste like you? FOr calling a
ruskie's hat a "cossack hat"? Please. Grow up Francis!

--
Keith

--
Keith
 
"ted" <edaudio2000@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:c54bf83f.0502210711.4c77c375@posting.google.com...

[clip]
Could you (and others here) list topics they would like to read about?

I've written about 15 articles for EW over the last 3 years, and have
had little feedback from readers (apart from the odd student wanting
help with their project)

Perhaps they are a)too boring b)too irrelevant c)too incomprehensible

I'd just like to know!!
Feedback, a dose of whingeing, even a mild rant. A pleasure!
It'd be easier though, if you givuzz summat to go at :)
Had a quick rummage through a few issues but couldn't spot a "Ted" or an
"Edward" (ah-ha an alias?, audio themes?). A title or two would help focus.

I can only speak for myself but I know it's difficult to list what's liable
to catch my attention in a magazine. E.g. nowadays I've little interest in
any audio subject but ... an article turned up by Doug' Self on
analogue-switching that I found really thought provoking. Capacitor quality,
held zilch interest until Cyril started going on about it. I'd no feeling
for sampling method until Ian Hickman wrote up his experience avalanching a
transistor.
I think it isn't the subject headings or topics that make or break a
magazine, it's the obvious knowledge, love of their subjects and level of
detail that some authors can introduce.
Writing style is of no consequence. I'm perfectly happy with pigdin English,
as long as the content is there, (newsgroups and the WWW can be a good
example of this).
As a kid, WW was beyond me but odd bits were of interest so I bought it. The
Reithian perspective still holds true and any new kids on the block should
expect to be able to do the same. But ... times have changed and Kryten
rightly notes that few people are now in a position to follow the subject.
Hence a lack of motivation for authors to promulgate their enthusiasms
amongst a wide readership. Last person out be sure to turn off the lights.

For me, a big no-no, is any magazine article designed to provide an
'overview' of some technical product or process or technique. Unfortunately
there seems more and more of this type of article turning up in the (pay
for) magazines.
Overviews are the easy bit and are not enough. Anyone can pitch the plot of
a new film or novel, the clever bit is putting it all together.
Yeah, great, OK, tell me about the USB2 setup but be sure to also tell me
all the exact, nitty-gritty hardware and software details, sufficient to
allow me to make use of it as engineer, rather than as consumer of
here-today-gone-tomorrow commercial pre-designed product and software. If it
takes 6 months to do so, then don't even bother trying. Just give me a
single paragaph taster. Instead, tell me in a few pages, some interesting
things about diodes and transistors and oscillators and op-amps and
resistors and stuff.
The radio amateurs have similar problems with commercial kit killing their
raison d'etre. A number of them adopted a QRP construction ethos. Maybe we
can do the same.
I'm pretty much repeating Kryten's comments but I've seen a number of mag's
go down over the past few years and all for these same reasons.
They seem to change EW editors every five minutes. What's sorely missing
from the mag' is some kind of continuity, like a monthly or even occasional,
Alastair Cooke style, Letter-from-the-trenches.
Maybe you can step onto the crease?.
regards
john
 
On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 15:00:42 +0000 (UTC), kensmith@green.rahul.net
(Ken Smith) wrote:

In article <cv90p60sk9@drn.newsguy.com>,
Winfield Hill <hill_a@t_rowland-dotties-harvard-dot.s-edu> wrote:
[....]
Good point. But be careful, satisfaction doesn't buy homes or put
food on the table. Somehow I doubt that many Linux programmers are
"overpaid." There's lots of competition in that field.

Many Linux programmers work for free and are over paid at that :)

I have been surprised by the quality of the software that people develope
for free. This surprise has usually been in the positive direction. It
is a weird "business model" but I can see it becoming a major force in the
future. I have often written software for a specific task that could,
chances are, save others a few hours of time. There is no way I could
market such software and make a profit but if I had some way to easily
share it and the others had a fast way to find it, I would share it.
Try registering it at www.sourceforge.net. Don't know the internal
workings of it but I've found some nice apps there. Another place
might be www.nonags.com. If they're good and useful at least in the
limited community they're aimed at you may find some paid developments
coming your way.

- YD.

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