Audio Precision System One Dual Domani Measuirement Systems

John Robertson · Dec 31, 2011

recursor wrote:

On 12/31/2011 06:41 PM, John Robertson wrote:
Peter Larsen wrote:
Phil Allison wrote:

Of course it has, the stickers make it much more accurate...Sheesh,
don't you know anything?

** I imagined it might be Julian Hirsch's aura and sweaty finger
prints that made the difference.

There quite possibly is some extra market value because of it. However

Bit like a Strat that had once belonged to Jimi Hendrix.

For audiophile grade measurements use them with this:

http://www.russandrews.com/product.asp?lookup=1&region=UK&currency=GBP&pf_id=1564&customer_id=PAA3122123611657HNNULQPHBZIBBHUY

mains cable. Many banks ask you to pay for having money stored in
their system and this mains cable will remedy that problem and thus
really be a saving.

O;-)

.... Phil

Kind regards

Peter Larsen

How do they deal with the mains conductors back to the community
step-down transformer?

I suspect there is money to be mined in fixing the power input to the
high-end fools that buy these power cords.

"What if I cant remove my mains lead? Cut off the mains cable about 3
inches (7.5cm) from where it enters your equipment and wire on a male
IEC plug as shown. " ROTFLMAO!

For further amusement read the Burn-In extra (only Ł15) feature because
otherwise you may have to wait over 500 hours to hear any difference
with your new power cord or silver RCA cords!

Fuses 13A made to BS-1362 standards (required by law in the UK for mains
fuses)...reading the notes about these Ł15.75 (pack of five) fuses that
everyone else sells for Ł1.25 (pack of four).

---------------------(quote)------------------------
You may notice that we cover the screw on some of our mains cables with
a 'Warranty - Void if Removed' sticker. This is to discourage people
from tampering with the cable in the plug. It's very difficult to work
with and we had a number of instances where people had tried to
de-solder their cables from the plug, ended up with a terrible mess and
sent it back to us to sort out. If you need to reterminate your cables,
we only charge a nominal retermination fee and you keep your warranty.

We appreciate, however that you need to destroy this label when you
replace the fuse with our new Russ Andrews fuses. You will not void your
warranty if you simply replace the fuse. Russ Andrews fuses are supplied
with 'Fitted with Russ Andrews Fuse' stickers to fit over the existing
warranty label. If you replace the fuse and then stick the new label
over the old warranty label, we'll know that you've simply replaced the
fuse if you return the cable for upgrade or repair in the future. It's
also a useful way for you to know which cables you've upgraded with a
better fuse!
------------------------(end quote)---------------

(shaking head sadly)

I'm obviously in the wrong end of things - I offer tech tips to save
people money and to try and teach them how to maintain their toys.

That's why you live in a hovel and Russ Andrews lives in a mansion.

I can't believe the stuff he puts on his site...

"Upgrade your NAD or Marantz amplifier links

If your integrated amp has separate pre- and power sections connected by
brass or gold plated links between the RCA sockets (eg. NAD and Marantz
amplifiers), improve its performance by upgrading the links.

Our Amp Jumpers made with KIMBER Timbre interconnect are perfect!"

So Marantz doesn't know that silver is a better conductor than gold
jumpers? What is wrong with their engineers? They obviously need to
talkto Russ about improving their amps, get rid of those lousy gold
plated jacks and replace them with silver...now and then you can pull
out the silver polish to deal with the minor nuisance of oxidization
(which, oddly enough, doesn't happen with gold connectors). I couldn't
find the special silver polish though on the site. Must be there
somewhere @ Łastronomical. After all non-audiofool silver polish
wouldn't be good enough for these plugs!

Well, time to get to the real world...now where did I put it?

John :-#)#

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recursor · Dec 31, 2011

On 12/31/2011 08:18 PM, John Robertson wrote:

recursor wrote:
On 12/31/2011 06:41 PM, John Robertson wrote:
Peter Larsen wrote:
Phil Allison wrote:

Of course it has, the stickers make it much more accurate...Sheesh,
don't you know anything?

** I imagined it might be Julian Hirsch's aura and sweaty finger
prints that made the difference.

There quite possibly is some extra market value because of it. However

Bit like a Strat that had once belonged to Jimi Hendrix.

For audiophile grade measurements use them with this:

http://www.russandrews.com/product.asp?lookup=1&region=UK&currency=GBP&pf_id=1564&customer_id=PAA3122123611657HNNULQPHBZIBBHUY

mains cable. Many banks ask you to pay for having money stored in
their system and this mains cable will remedy that problem and thus
really be a saving.

O;-)

.... Phil

Kind regards

Peter Larsen

How do they deal with the mains conductors back to the community
step-down transformer?

I suspect there is money to be mined in fixing the power input to the
high-end fools that buy these power cords.

"What if I cant remove my mains lead? Cut off the mains cable about 3
inches (7.5cm) from where it enters your equipment and wire on a male
IEC plug as shown. " ROTFLMAO!

For further amusement read the Burn-In extra (only Ł15) feature because
otherwise you may have to wait over 500 hours to hear any difference
with your new power cord or silver RCA cords!

Fuses 13A made to BS-1362 standards (required by law in the UK for mains
fuses)...reading the notes about these Ł15.75 (pack of five) fuses that
everyone else sells for Ł1.25 (pack of four).

---------------------(quote)------------------------
You may notice that we cover the screw on some of our mains cables with
a 'Warranty - Void if Removed' sticker. This is to discourage people
from tampering with the cable in the plug. It's very difficult to work
with and we had a number of instances where people had tried to
de-solder their cables from the plug, ended up with a terrible mess and
sent it back to us to sort out. If you need to reterminate your cables,
we only charge a nominal retermination fee and you keep your warranty.

We appreciate, however that you need to destroy this label when you
replace the fuse with our new Russ Andrews fuses. You will not void your
warranty if you simply replace the fuse. Russ Andrews fuses are supplied
with 'Fitted with Russ Andrews Fuse' stickers to fit over the existing
warranty label. If you replace the fuse and then stick the new label
over the old warranty label, we'll know that you've simply replaced the
fuse if you return the cable for upgrade or repair in the future. It's
also a useful way for you to know which cables you've upgraded with a
better fuse!
------------------------(end quote)---------------

(shaking head sadly)

I'm obviously in the wrong end of things - I offer tech tips to save
people money and to try and teach them how to maintain their toys.

That's why you live in a hovel and Russ Andrews lives in a mansion.

I can't believe the stuff he puts on his site...

"Upgrade your NAD or Marantz amplifier links

If your integrated amp has separate pre- and power sections connected by
brass or gold plated links between the RCA sockets (eg. NAD and Marantz
amplifiers), improve its performance by upgrading the links.

Our Amp Jumpers made with KIMBER Timbre interconnect are perfect!"

So Marantz doesn't know that silver is a better conductor than gold
jumpers? What is wrong with their engineers? They obviously need to
talkto Russ about improving their amps, get rid of those lousy gold
plated jacks and replace them with silver...now and then you can pull
out the silver polish to deal with the minor nuisance of oxidization
(which, oddly enough, doesn't happen with gold connectors). I couldn't
find the special silver polish though on the site. Must be there
somewhere @ Łastronomical. After all non-audiofool silver polish
wouldn't be good enough for these plugs!

Well, time to get to the real world...now where did I put it?

It probably slipped down the back of the sofa. Still if nothing else

Russ has disproved the idea that all the rich are somehow *clever* and
*deserve* their wealth.

Michael A. Terrell · Jan 1, 2012

William Sommerwerck wrote:

I bought an HDMI cable in Tottenham Court Road a couple of
months ago. The bloke wanted 19.95, and I said I wouldn't pay
that much. He asked what I would give, and I held out a fiver.
He was perfectly happy with the trade. I should have offered a quid.

My Pioneer Elite Kuro sits some distance from the player. I needed a 20'
HDMI cable. I bought MCM's house-brand cable for about $15. It works
perfectly, as far as I can tell.

I bought a 10' HDMI cable for $3.49 US on Ebay, delivered to move the
Sat receiver in my dad & step mom's bedroom. He was afraid that he or
my step mom would knock it, or the TV off of the chest of drawers. He
was skeptical because the local stores wanted $45 but when I stopped by
to install it, it worked perfectly.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/270822459001

--
You can't have a sense of humor, if you have no sense.

Michael A. Terrell · Jan 1, 2012

Alan wrote:

In message <46ednRibWdB-cGPTnZ2dnUVZ8jKdnZ2d@brightview.co.uk>, recursor
recursor@recursor.net> wrote

http://www.russandrews.com/product.asp?lookup=1&region=UK&currency=GBP&p
f_id=2137&customer_id=PAA3122123611657HNNULQPHBZIBBHUY

Check out the Deep Cryo Treatment link on that page

Another 'Snow Job'?

--
You can't have a sense of humor, if you have no sense.

David Looser · Jan 1, 2012

"William Sommerwerck" <grizzledgeezer@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:jdnark$4np$1@dont-email.me...

I bought an HDMI cable in Tottenham Court Road a couple of
months ago. The bloke wanted 19.95, and I said I wouldn't pay
that much. He asked what I would give, and I held out a fiver.
He was perfectly happy with the trade. I should have offered a quid.

My Pioneer Elite Kuro sits some distance from the player. I needed a 20'
HDMI cable. I bought MCM's house-brand cable for about $15. It works
perfectly, as far as I can tell.

I needed to run an HDMI connection from one room to another, so I bought a
couple of passive HDMI wallplates that simply break-out the HDMI pins to a
couple of IDC blocks which are then interconnected with two runs of Cat5
cable. With a run a about 15m between the wallplates this works flawlessly
with 1080p video.

David.

Arny Krueger · Jan 2, 2012

"Phil Allison" <phil_a@tpg.com.au> wrote in message
news:9m6vbjFi0vU1@mid.individual.net...

"Arny Krueger"

I'm part of group that is readying two Audio Precision System One Dual
Domain measurement systems for market.

The units have exceptional provenance. They were owned by Stereo Review
Magazine and were the personal tools of Julian Hirsch. They still have
Hachette Publications property stickers on them.

** Has this unit got more value because of its provenance ?

Anyhow - here's a pic of one:

http://www.nessales.com/ebay/13318/Audio%20Precision%20System%20One%20Optical%20IO%20Pic%20(0).JPG

That looks very much like one of the two units I have been working with. It
is the later model with optical digital I/O. The earlier version is
coax-based and used RCA jacks.

Phil Allison · Jan 3, 2012

<rrusston@hotmail.com>

In the US, we have two voltages in (all but really really old)
houses: 120 and 240, although most outlets are 120, the ranges,
clothes dryers and air conditioners are 240. And that 240 is balanced.
If we were SERIOUS audiophiles, we'd have 240 volt four pin dryer
outlets put in our listening rooms and run our power amps on 240.

** Only if we were serious AUDIOPHOOLs - that is.

Home hi-fi installations can suffer from earth loop hum and transformer
radiated hum fields - neither of which is fixed by using "balanced power".

.... Phil

Jan 3, 2012

The British electrical standards are the dumbest on planet, or at
least the dumbest I have ever run into. Except for the Japanese, who
are combine the worst possible voltage standard with two different
frequencies.

In the US, we have two voltages in (all but really really old)
houses: 120 and 240, although most outlets are 120, the ranges,
clothes dryers and air conditioners are 240. And that 240 is balanced.
If we were SERIOUS audiophiles, we'd have 240 volt four pin dryer
outlets put in our listening rooms and run our power amps on 240.

Richard Tobin · Jan 3, 2012

In article <a9b8c246-51b9-428d-8242-522e685a63d5@24g2000yqi.googlegroups.com>,
<rrusston@hotmail.com> wrote:

If we were SERIOUS audiophiles, we'd have 240 volt four pin dryer
outlets put in our listening rooms and run our power amps on 240.

If you were a serious audiophile, you would not allow mains
electricity within a mile of your listening room. You would run your
amplifier on lead-acid batteries and your turntable would be a uranium
flywheel.

-- Richard

Eiron · Jan 3, 2012

On 03/01/2012 00:50, rrusston@hotmail.com wrote:

The British electrical standards are the dumbest on planet, or at
least the dumbest I have ever run into.

From what I've seen, they are the best and safest standards of any country.
Just ask any toddler who has tried to poke a screwdriver into an outlet.

What's your problem with it? And how many of your American plugs are
hanging out of the socket with exposed pins and intermittent connections?

--
Eiron.

Jerry · Jan 3, 2012

"Eiron" <Evelyn.Carnate@live.com> wrote in message
news:9mfp00F9mbU1@mid.individual.net...
: On 03/01/2012 00:50, rrusston@hotmail.com wrote:
: > The British electrical standards are the dumbest on planet,
or at
: > least the dumbest I have ever run into.
:
: From what I've seen, they are the best and safest standards of
any country.
: Just ask any toddler who has tried to poke a screwdriver into
an outlet.

A toddler in the UK "Yeah! This game of sticking things in to
these plastic shapes in the wall is fun, lets do it again!"

A toddler in the USA (120v) "That tingles, not sure that I like
that..."

A toddler in the EU (240v) *flash, bang, wallop* "That hurt
daddy, why is my finger throbbing, why has the TV (or what ever
else is on the circuit) stopped working?"

:
: What's your problem with it? And how many of your American
plugs are
: hanging out of the socket with exposed pins and intermittent
connections?
:

Indeed, the North America attitude to electrical hardware is a
farce (only of the reasons why they are still plagued by high
numbers of electrical fires), but then so is the UK's BS* 1363
standard for plug/sockets, only in the UK -and those countries
that have copied the UK- is the final circuit protection so
designed that it is easy (for the end user) to defeat it either
through ignorance or wilful tampering, thus a device requiring
protection at 3 or 5 amps co so easily end up being actually
protected at 13 amps - or 30 amps in the case of wilful
tampering...
--
Regards, Jerry.

David Looser · Jan 3, 2012

<rrusston@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:a9b8c246-51b9-428d-8242-522e685a63d5@24g2000yqi.googlegroups.com...

The British electrical standards are the dumbest on planet, or at
least the dumbest I have ever run into. Except for the Japanese, who
are combine the worst possible voltage standard with two different
frequencies.

In the US, we have two voltages in (all but really really old)
houses: 120 and 240, although most outlets are 120, the ranges,
clothes dryers and air conditioners are 240. And that 240 is balanced.
If we were SERIOUS audiophiles, we'd have 240 volt four pin dryer
outlets put in our listening rooms and run our power amps on 240.

A very large number of countries run their mains supplies at 220-240V, not
just the UK! Electrical standards were not designed for the benefit of
audiophools, but in practice there's nothing wrong with the 230V standard in
this regard. The standard of electrical installations I've seen in the US
are far worse than those normally encountered here. And the high-powered
audio equipment I've seen in the US runs off 120V thus supplies requiring
heavy-guage mains flex. Definitely no improvement on what we have here!

David.

David Looser · Jan 3, 2012

"Jerry" <mapson.scarts@btinternet.INVALID> wrote

: Just ask any toddler who has tried to poke a screwdriver into
an outlet.

A toddler in the UK "Yeah! This game of sticking things in to
these plastic shapes in the wall is fun, lets do it again!"

A toddler in the USA (120v) "That tingles, not sure that I like
that..."

A toddler in the EU (240v) *flash, bang, wallop* "That hurt
daddy, why is my finger throbbing, why has the TV (or what ever
else is on the circuit) stopped working?"

UK mains sockets have shutters, have you not noticed?
:
: What's your problem with it? And how many of your American
plugs are
: hanging out of the socket with exposed pins and intermittent
connections?
:

Indeed, the North America attitude to electrical hardware is a
farce

Agreed.

(only of the reasons why they are still plagued by high
numbers of electrical fires), but then so is the UK's BS* 1363
standard for plug/sockets, only in the UK -and those countries
that have copied the UK- is the final circuit protection so
designed that it is easy (for the end user) to defeat it either
through ignorance or wilful tampering, thus a device requiring
protection at 3 or 5 amps co so easily end up being actually
protected at 13 amps - or 30 amps in the case of wilful
tampering...
--

Have you any data to suggest that deaths or injuries are any worse here than
in countries that don't use BS1363 outlets? I was amazed to find in a modern
house in Italy that I stayed in this summer that all the sockets
(unshuttered and each rated at 10A with fuseless plugs) on each floor were
supplied from a single 25A MCB. How is that safer than the situation here?

David.

Eiron · Jan 3, 2012

On 03/01/2012 10:39, David Looser wrote:

rrusston@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:a9b8c246-51b9-428d-8242-522e685a63d5@24g2000yqi.googlegroups.com...
The British electrical standards are the dumbest on planet, or at
least the dumbest I have ever run into. Except for the Japanese, who
are combine the worst possible voltage standard with two different
frequencies.

In the US, we have two voltages in (all but really really old)
houses: 120 and 240, although most outlets are 120, the ranges,
clothes dryers and air conditioners are 240. And that 240 is balanced.
If we were SERIOUS audiophiles, we'd have 240 volt four pin dryer
outlets put in our listening rooms and run our power amps on 240.

A very large number of countries run their mains supplies at 220-240V, not
just the UK! Electrical standards were not designed for the benefit of
audiophools, but in practice there's nothing wrong with the 230V standard in
this regard.

Can I just mention another example of European Union lunacy?
Voltage is standardized at 230v +- a fudge factor so that the UK
can keep to 240v and the rest of Europe can keep 220v with no plans
for any country to adopt 230v. Now that is dumb!

And the UK plugs are rather large. That would be a valid criticism.
It spoils the lines of a laptop bag....

--
Eiron.

John Williamson · Jan 3, 2012

Eiron wrote:

And the UK plugs are rather large. That would be a valid criticism.
It spoils the lines of a laptop bag....

http://www.minkyu.co.uk/Site/Product/Entries/2009/4/20_Folding_Plug_System.html

Problem solved. HTH

--
Tciao for Now!

John.

Eiron · Jan 3, 2012

On 03/01/2012 11:15, John Williamson wrote:

Eiron wrote:
And the UK plugs are rather large. That would be a valid criticism.
It spoils the lines of a laptop bag....

http://www.minkyu.co.uk/Site/Product/Entries/2009/4/20_Folding_Plug_System.html

Problem solved. HTH

Still not in production?
Does it have a tendency to break and burst into flames?
Designed by a "designer" rather than by an engineer?

--
Eiron.

David Looser · Jan 3, 2012

"Eiron" <Evelyn.Carnate@live.com> wrote in message
news:9mg55iF5j0U1@mid.individual.net...

Can I just mention another example of European Union lunacy?
Voltage is standardized at 230v +- a fudge factor so that the UK
can keep to 240v and the rest of Europe can keep 220v with no plans
for any country to adopt 230v. Now that is dumb!

I'm not sure it is so dumb
There always was a tolerance range on the UK 240V mains, what happened was
that these tolerance limits were widened and re-centred on 230V. But these
new limits are now EU-wide so any equipment manufactured to these new limits
(230V +/- 10%) is suitable for sale anywhere within the EU.

And the UK plugs are rather large. That would be a valid criticism.
It spoils the lines of a laptop bag....

I agree, the BS1363 plug is not my favourite design. Some years ago there

was a serious attempt to introduce a EU standard plug & socket, an attempt
that failed because of the NIH (not-invented-here) factor. I rather like the
German 'Shucko' socket and would be happy to see it replace the BS1363
socket here, but can you image the reaction of the Daily Mail readers?

David.

John Williamson · Jan 3, 2012

Eiron wrote:

On 03/01/2012 11:15, John Williamson wrote:
Eiron wrote:
And the UK plugs are rather large. That would be a valid criticism.
It spoils the lines of a laptop bag....

http://www.minkyu.co.uk/Site/Product/Entries/2009/4/20_Folding_Plug_System.html

Problem solved. HTH

Still not in production?
Does it have a tendency to break and burst into flames?
Designed by a "designer" rather than by an engineer?

Or this:-

http://www.slimplug.com/where.htm

Not *too* expensive, and sufficient for its rated use.

--
Tciao for Now!

John.

Jerry · Jan 3, 2012

"David Looser" <david.looser@btinternet.com> wrote in message
news:9mg4nvF2fdU1@mid.individual.net...
: "Jerry" <mapson.scarts@btinternet.INVALID> wrote
:
: > : Just ask any toddler who has tried to poke a screwdriver
into
: > an outlet.
: >
: > A toddler in the UK "Yeah! This game of sticking things in to
: > these plastic shapes in the wall is fun, lets do it again!"
: >
: > A toddler in the USA (120v) "That tingles, not sure that I
like
: > that..."
: >
: > A toddler in the EU (240v) *flash, bang, wallop* "That hurt
: > daddy, why is my finger throbbing, why has the TV (or what
ever
: > else is on the circuit) stopped working?"
: >
: UK mains sockets have shutters, have you not noticed?

Duh, never! In any case, what happens when this shutter fails, as
can happen, and thus that nice 'safe' electrical outlet becomes
(unknowingly) totally unprotected from such intrusion... Did you
actually bother to read what I said?

: > :
: > : What's your problem with it? And how many of your American
: > plugs are
: > : hanging out of the socket with exposed pins and
intermittent
: > connections?
: > :
: >
: > Indeed, the North America attitude to electrical hardware is
a
: > farce
:
: Agreed.
:
: > (only of the reasons why they are still plagued by high
: > numbers of electrical fires), but then so is the UK's BS*
1363
: > standard for plug/sockets, only in the UK -and those
countries
: > that have copied the UK- is the final circuit protection so
: > designed that it is easy (for the end user) to defeat it
either
: > through ignorance or wilful tampering, thus a device
requiring
: > protection at 3 or 5 amps co so easily end up being actually
: > protected at 13 amps - or 30 amps in the case of wilful
: > tampering...
:
: Have you any data to suggest that deaths or injuries are any
worse here than
: in countries that don't use BS1363 outlets? I was amazed to
find in a modern
: house in Italy that I stayed in this summer that all the
sockets
: (unshuttered and each rated at 10A with fuseless plugs) on each
floor were
: supplied from a single 25A MCB. How is that safer than the
situation here?
:

But then people know that, in the UK appliances could actually be
protected at 30A (with old slow-blow fuse wire) but the person
using the appliance believes that it is protected at the correct
3A. Again I suspect that you didn't actually read (and
understand) what I said...

Terry Casey · Jan 3, 2012

In article <9mg6a6FeosU1@mid.individual.net>,
johnwilliamson@btinternet.com says...

Eiron wrote:
And the UK plugs are rather large. That would be a valid criticism.
It spoils the lines of a laptop bag....

http://www.minkyu.co.uk/Site/Product/Entries/2009/4/20_Folding_Plug_System.html

Problem solved. HTH

I don't think so!

'Click here for folding plug enquiry' leads to

http://www.madeinmind.co.uk/

but the connection times out ...

--

Terry

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