Are engineers socially disadvantaged?

[John Larkin]

On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 11:41:41 -0500, keith <krw@att.bizzzz> wrote:

On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 05:15:02 -0800, bill.sloman wrote:


John Larkin wrote:
On 22 Jan 2005 16:15:45 -0800, bill.sloman@ieee.org wrote:

This analysis depends on a rather subjective classification, and
doesn't seem to control for observer bias - since no actual values
of A
or B for either Fred or me are quoted, it wouldn't be accepted in
any
referreed journal.

It also depends on the obviously fallacious proposition that if
groups
of postings score the same on some single arbitrary dimension, all
these postings have been generated by the same person.

Since our collection of irrational right-wingers share a common
inability to support their ridiculous propositions by citing any
kind
of independent authority, I could set up an Unsupported Assertion
index
and "prove" that Clarence was the same person as John S. Dyson.
-----------
Bill Sloman, Nijmegen


So, if I add that last post to your total and recalculate your
D-factor

(grabs RPN calculator, hits keys furiously)... pause...

your score is *still* D = 1.0000

But maybe you aren't Fred after all. He did post something about
thermal runaway that didn't contain a single insult.

Perhaps you might care to check out contribution 32 to the "Odd Sensor
Design" thread

You may be able to detect an insult somewhere in that - I can't.

Ok, then that settles it, you are Fred.

Damn, it no fun needling either of them (if indeed they're not the
same person). It's like clubbing baby seals.


John

 

keith wrote:

On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 09:45:10 -0800, bill.sloman wrote:


You may be able to detect an insult somewhere in that - I can't.

Ok, then that settles it, you are Fred.

I think you've just fallen for the fallacy of the excluded middle.

It would be perfectly possible for me to have the same score as
Fred on
John Larkin's index, and still be someone else entirely, a point
I've
already made.

Your humor quotient indicates that you are Fred too.

You can't do logic, so you are going to claim that you were making a
joke - lame.

-------
Bill Sloman, Nijmegen

 

[John Larkin]

On 23 Jan 2005 17:08:30 -0800, bill.sloman@ieee.org wrote:

Can't say that I've got any personal experience of clubbing baby seals
- is this something that supporters of the Republican party have to do
to establish their credentials as non-bleeding-heart anti-ecologicists?

I wouldn't know. I did say it's not fun.

What do you do for fun?

John

 

[Jim Thompson]

On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 17:37:14 -0800, John Larkin
<jjSNIPlarkin@highTHISlandPLEASEtechnology.XXX> wrote:

On 23 Jan 2005 17:08:30 -0800, bill.sloman@ieee.org wrote:

Can't say that I've got any personal experience of clubbing baby seals
- is this something that supporters of the Republican party have to do
to establish their credentials as non-bleeding-heart anti-ecologicists?


I wouldn't know. I did say it's not fun.

What do you do for fun?

John

Sucks his own ...

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[keith]

On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 16:58:12 -0800, bill.sloman wrote:

keith wrote:
On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 09:45:10 -0800, bill.sloman wrote:


You may be able to detect an insult somewhere in that - I can't.

Ok, then that settles it, you are Fred.

I think you've just fallen for the fallacy of the excluded middle.

It would be perfectly possible for me to have the same score as
Fred on
John Larkin's index, and still be someone else entirely, a point
I've
already made.

Your humor quotient indicates that you are Fred too.

You can't do logic, so you are going to claim that you were making a
joke - lame.

No, you fuckin' moron. You're a EuroPeon loser. I *know* Fread isn't
(Euro). You're the lame *Euro* loser. I do recognise the difference.

--
Keith

 

[keith]

On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 19:10:53 -0700, Jim Thompson wrote:

On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 17:37:14 -0800, John Larkin
jjSNIPlarkin@highTHISlandPLEASEtechnology.XXX> wrote:

On 23 Jan 2005 17:08:30 -0800, bill.sloman@ieee.org wrote:

Can't say that I've got any personal experience of clubbing baby seals
- is this something that supporters of the Republican party have to do
to establish their credentials as non-bleeding-heart anti-ecologicists?


I wouldn't know. I did say it's not fun.

What do you do for fun?

John


Sucks his own ...

That's sick! Incest is illegal in the US, anyway. OTOH, maybe you're
sayýzĆtSloman's a dog. Naw, can't be. I like dogs.

--
Keith

 

John Larkin wrote:

On 23 Jan 2005 17:08:30 -0800, bill.sloman@ieee.org wrote:

Can't say that I've got any personal experience of clubbing baby
seals
- is this something that supporters of the Republican party have to
do
to establish their credentials as non-bleeding-heart
anti-ecologicists?


I wouldn't know. I did say it's not fun.

What do you do for fun?

Play field hockey - I'm too old and slow for regular or even veteran
hockey, but the Dutch have "trim-hockey" which is played by - mostly -
fiftyish men and fortyish women. We claim it isn't competitive, and
don't have to pay affiliation fees to the dutch hockey association -
but it looks pretty competitive when you are playing.
-------
Bill Sloman, Nijmegen

 

Since I'm actually an Australian citizen, resident in the Netherlands -
a fact well known to the group's regular posters - the insult falls a
bit flat.

"Europeon" isn't exactly your own coinage either - Frank Bemelman seems
to have been the first to post it in sci.electronics.design back on
January 31 2003, and it comes up again on May 2 2004, before Jim
Thompson picked it up on January 12 this year, which seems to have
persuaded some of his fan club to add it to their posts.

It is nice to see you making the effort, but I'm afraid you are
performing at the hopeless nonentity level. Get hold of a coy of "Flame
Wars for Dummies" and see if you can learn the basics.
----------
Bill Sloman, Nijmegen

 

Jim Thompson wrote:

On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 22:45:35 -0500, keith <krw@att.bizzzz> wrote:

On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 19:10:53 -0700, Jim Thompson wrote:

On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 17:37:14 -0800, John Larkin
jjSNIPlarkin@highTHISlandPLEASEtechnology.XXX> wrote:

On 23 Jan 2005 17:08:30 -0800, bill.sloman@ieee.org wrote:

<snip>

I take it all back. Sloman has to sit down to pee ;-)

...Jim Thompson

Whereas Jim has these neat incontinence pads, and doesn't even have to
get up to pee.

----------
Bill Sloman, Nijmegen

 

[John S. Dyson]

In article <1106320802.964850.190190@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>,
larwe@larwe.com writes:

Engineering
stuff is good for 'quiet and myself time', but isn't really a very
good
social activity .

Disagree totally. Most of the best social conversations I have are with
other engineers, even in unrelated fields. It's very intellectually
stimulating to go out to lunch with a bunch of co-workers or even a
group of people in fields like hydraulics and naval architecture, and
talk shop. Shared interests and life priorities make for good social
interaction.

Talking about electronics isn't the same as electrical engineering work.

Sure, it is possible that 'talking' is a component of engineering, but
serious design is alot like serious programming, it requires significant
one-on-one communications with a pad of paper/calculator, schematic capture
or editing program .

John

 

[John Larkin]

On 23 Jan 2005 22:18:54 -0800, bill.sloman@ieee.org wrote:

John Larkin wrote:
On 23 Jan 2005 17:08:30 -0800, bill.sloman@ieee.org wrote:

Can't say that I've got any personal experience of clubbing baby
seals
- is this something that supporters of the Republican party have to
do
to establish their credentials as non-bleeding-heart
anti-ecologicists?


I wouldn't know. I did say it's not fun.

What do you do for fun?

Play field hockey - I'm too old and slow for regular or even veteran
hockey, but the Dutch have "trim-hockey" which is played by - mostly -
fiftyish men and fortyish women. We claim it isn't competitive, and
don't have to pay affiliation fees to the dutch hockey association -
but it looks pretty competitive when you are playing.

The equivalent here is probably co-ed softball. It's elegant (but not
as elegant as real baseball) and not too strenuous, and generally
leads to a lot of followup beer drinking and flirting. Mo and I, not
being that sort of back-slapping social, like to hike, trails in the
woods or stairways in the city.

Exercise is very good for brains and spirits. Ditto coffee.

John

 

[John Larkin]

On 22 Jan 2005 01:20:50 -0800, bill.sloman@ieee.org wrote:

John Larkin wrote:
On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 12:37:28 +0000 (UTC), toor@iquest.net (John S.
Dyson) wrote:

In article <1106302663.058461.292130@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>,
bill.sloman@ieee.org writes:

John S. Dyson does have these fantasies about living a normal life
and
being a normal person.


Your hateful bitterness is evidenced above.


Bill is just Fred in disguise; a simple numerical analysis will prove
it to be so.

If only I had enough of Fred's skills to mimic his postings

Just hit CAPS LOCK and swear a lot.

John

 

[John Larkin]

On 24 Jan 2005 15:21:03 -0800, bill.sloman@ieee.org wrote:

John Larkin wrote:
On 23 Jan 2005 22:18:54 -0800, bill.sloman@ieee.org wrote:


John Larkin wrote:
On 23 Jan 2005 17:08:30 -0800, bill.sloman@ieee.org wrote:

Can't say that I've got any personal experience of clubbing baby
seals
- is this something that supporters of the Republican party have
to
do
to establish their credentials as non-bleeding-heart
anti-ecologicists?


I wouldn't know. I did say it's not fun.

What do you do for fun?

Play field hockey - I'm too old and slow for regular or even veteran
hockey, but the Dutch have "trim-hockey" which is played by - mostly
-
fiftyish men and fortyish women. We claim it isn't competitive, and
don't have to pay affiliation fees to the dutch hockey association -
but it looks pretty competitive when you are playing.


The equivalent here is probably co-ed softball. It's elegant (but not
as elegant as real baseball) and not too strenuous, and generally
leads to a lot of followup beer drinking and flirting. Mo and I, not
being that sort of back-slapping social, like to hike, trails in the
woods or stairways in the city.

Exercise is very good for brains and spirits. Ditto coffee.

Hiking around the local woodlands is popular, but the woods are full of
ticks and the ticks are full of Borrelia burgdorferi. My wife is six
days into a 28-day course of antibiotic infusions to get rid of such an
infection - it took a while for her doctors to work out that her
radiculitis was probably a symptom of secondary Lyme disease.

Happily, the European races of Borrelia burgdorferi seem to go more for
the peripheral nerves, while their American cousins go for the central
nervous system. Not that my wife is happy with what her bugs are doing
to her right leg, but she is happy that they've stayed away from her
CNS.

Bad stuff. My friend Mark, an EE professor at Pitt (and fellow
sampling freak) got Lyme, and had a long, nasty course of IV
antibiotics. The tests for the critter aren't especially accurate, so
people can have the symptoms for a while and not know why; it mimics
MS pretty well. So far, there's no Lyme here in Northern California.

We do have mountain lions that kill a few hikers a year. Unseasonal
snowstorms usually get a few more. The stairway walks are fairly safe.


John

 

[John Woodgate]

I read in sci.electronics.design that bill.sloman@ieee.org wrote (in
<1106608863.251021.249710@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com&gt about 'Are
engineers socially disadvantaged?', on Mon, 24 Jan 2005:

Hiking around the local woodlands is popular, but the woods are full of
ticks and the ticks are full of Borrelia burgdorferi.

I wonder why we very rarely hear of tick attacks in England.
--
Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only.
The good news is that nothing is compulsory.
The bad news is that everything is prohibited.
http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Also see http://www.isce.org.uk

 

[xray]

On Tue, 25 Jan 2005 06:40:23 +0000, John Woodgate
<jmw@jmwa.demon.contraspam.yuk> wrote:

I read in sci.electronics.design that bill.sloman@ieee.org wrote (in
1106608863.251021.249710@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com&gt about 'Are
engineers socially disadvantaged?', on Mon, 24 Jan 2005:

Hiking around the local woodlands is popular, but the woods are full of
ticks and the ticks are full of Borrelia burgdorferi.

I wonder why we very rarely hear of tick attacks in England.

Just a guess, but your average weather may be too uncomforatble for
Ticks. ??

 

[keith]

On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 23:12:53 -0800, bill.sloman wrote:

Since I'm actually an Australian citizen, resident in the Netherlands -
a fact well known to the group's regular posters - the insult falls a
bit flat.

....only as your head.

"Europeon" isn't exactly your own coinage either - Frank Bemelman seems
to have been the first to post it in sci.electronics.design back on
January 31 2003, and it comes up again on May 2 2004, before Jim
Thompson picked it up on January 12 this year, which seems to have
persuaded some of his fan club to add it to their posts.

Who the fuck said it *was*? Sheesh, I rather liked EuroWeenie, but
evidently the term was alteady taken, so EuroPeon was all that was left.
Yes, I thought it too good for your kind too.

It is nice to see you making the effort, but I'm afraid you are
performing at the hopeless nonentity level. Get hold of a coy of "Flame
Wars for Dummies" and see if you can learn the basics. ---------- Bill
Sloman, Nijmegen

I'm so glad you realized your position in life; old dried-up Europeon
non-entity dummy.

--
Keith

 

[Pig Bladder]

On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 19:09:28 -0800, larwe wrote:

mc wrote:
The introverted, shy, shambling, disheveled engineer is a cliche
that
probably wasn't even true when it came into vogue, and it
certainly

Unfortunately, a serious stereotype - particularly in America 40
years ago -
is that the genius has to be a defective human being. If you can do
superhuman things, then you must be subhuman in other areas. When I
was

It's a compensation mechanism. If you demonstrate arcane knowledge or
incomprehensible skills, people who aren't scientifically inclined
either put you in a priesthood or invent flaws in your personality to
reduce their feelings of inferiority. "His brains may be bulging out
his ears, but I bet he stammers in public"

For exactly the same reason, people like to read about millionaire
superstars getting fat or having marital problems.

Yes, I have noticed a certain amount of fear of the sentient.
--
The Pig Bladder From Uranus, Still Waiting for
Some Hot Babe to Ask What My Favorite Planet Is.

 

[Rich The Newsgropup Wacko]

On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 18:18:29 -0600, Brian wrote:

larwe@larwe.com> wrote in message
news:1106320802.964850.190190@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
Engineering
stuff is good for 'quiet and myself time', but isn't really a very
good
social activity .

Disagree totally. Most of the best social conversations I have are with
other engineers, even in unrelated fields. It's very intellectually
stimulating to go out to lunch with a bunch of co-workers or even a
group of people in fields like hydraulics and naval architecture, and
talk shop. Shared interests and life priorities make for good social
interaction.

The introverted, shy, shambling, disheveled engineer is a cliche that
probably wasn't even true when it came into vogue, and it certainly
doesn't represent engineers in say the 25-35 age group right now (at
least, not in the USA).


Either that, or you are a dork and in denial

Then again, there's us dorks who _aren't_ "in denial"! It's a very
liberating thing, being able to say, "Hi, I'm Rich, and I'm a dork."

It certainly can disarm!

Cheers!
Rich
(the dork! ;-) )

 

[Kevin Aylward]

John S. Dyson wrote:

In article <qQ6Id.185808$48.182721@fe1.news.blueyonder.co.uk>,
"Kevin Aylward" <salesEXTRACT@anasoft.co.uk> writes:
John S. Dyson wrote:
In article <1106302663.058461.292130@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>,
bill.sloman@ieee.org writes:

John S. Dyson does have these fantasies about living a normal life
and being a normal person.

You again show typical provincial leftist arrogance and hatred.

Just as evidence-based as his political opinions.

Remember, it is you who are far out of the mainstream. My own
opinions do result from discussions with others, along with much
ongoing research. It is indeed true that the left tends to
continually lie and also shows excess hatred.

Complete bullshit. You cant be serious. The religious right show
extensive hatred, i.e. intolerance to other non xtian ideas.

Remember, you seem to show extreme intolerance against religion,

So what. I never claimed to be tolerant of religion. And no, its not
extreme intolerance, it just plain intolerance, as I don't go shooting
anti-abortionists on a daily basis. Religion is de-facto false. Why I
should I be accepting of flat earthers?

I don't go around knocking on peoples doors spewing forth my views like
the religious spew their drivel, but sure as dam, if the issue crops up,
I am going to nail it to the cease pool it is.

where even as someone who isn't religious, I don't seem to be so
very bothered.

I don't lose any sleep over the misinformed either.

Hardly
anything Bush says is true.

You evidence more leftist intolerance -- and don't backup the
claim.

And neither did you. Produce some competent, independent surveys of both
right and left statements and show that the left lie more than the
right. I claimed that they are all the bloody same, that is they are all
Liars.

Kevin Aylward
salesEXTRACT@anasoft.co.uk
http://www.anasoft.co.uk
SuperSpice, a very affordable Mixed-Mode
Windows Simulator with Schematic Capture,
Waveform Display, FFT's and Filter Design.

 

[Jim Thompson]

On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 22:25:58 GMT, "Tom Del Rosso"
<ng01@att.net.invalid> wrote:

"Jim Thompson" <thegreatone@example.com> wrote in message
news:6g62v0128l4skame5l5v1tnjln5iur0sou@4ax.com...

You ought to see the looks I get when I wear my sweat shirt with
Maxwell's Equations on the back ;-)

Particularly if they see the front also... it says, "And God said, let
there be light"

Do you know of any retailer that carries them?

I got mine at The Tech Coop (MIT, Cambridge, MA)

...Jim Thompson
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