Anyone help me with component ID for X5DIJ-SX039C laptop (k5

[Phil Allison]

"William Fuckwit Sommerwanker "

I'd say amplification is a *sufficient* condition but not a necessary
one. A diode can be used as a switch, without amplifying, which
I would argue makes it an active device.

So then a light switch is an active device?

** FFS - it not an ELECTRONIC device.

Do you want food mixers and lawn mowers included too ??

The remarks made here are classic examples of opening one's mouth and
stating whatever pops into one's head, without giving it the least bit of
thought.

** Like YOU do all the fucking time - asshole.

There's no point in discussing it further. If a device cannot amplify (in
the ordinary, common-sense meaning of the word), it is not an active
device.

** Crap.

Otherwise, you could twist the definition so that any and every electronic
component was an active device.

** Define "electronic component" to mean only those items that are
exclusively electronic in nature and you have got it.

The term " active device" cannot be defined OUT OF CONTEXT !!!!!!

I say it includes to ANY vacuum tube or semiconductor intended to be used in
an electronic circuit - cos that is how most folk working IN ELECTRONICS
use it and dealer's catalogues reflect the fact too.

And Wiki agrees with ME !!!!!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electronic_component#Classification



..... Phil

 

[Michael A. Terrell]

Jerry Peters wrote:

Kaz Kylheku <kaz@kylheku.com> wrote:
On 2014-01-28, jurb6006@gmail.com <jurb6006@gmail.com> wrote:
If a diode is not active, why ? You can modulate with it. You can switch with it. This can be done with solid state diodes or otherwise.

A diode is not active by itself, because it's a two-port circuit. There is no
way for it to have an input which controls an output.

Switching diode which switches an AC signal with a DC signal. It's
been done for years.

PIN diode which can switch or attenuate an RF signal with a DC
current.

We used them as band switches in a low noise synthesizer. A DC
voltage would turn the diode on to short out part of the inductor,
raising the center frequency of the VCO. Breaking the 360-510 MHz into
four overlapping segments allowed for more linear and reduced the
effects of noise on the tuning voltage that controlled the tuning.

 

[Mike Tomlinson]

En el artículo <lcca2a$hfc$1@dont-email.me>, William Sommerwerck
<grizzledgeezer@comcast.net> escribió:

The remarks made here are classic examples of opening one's mouth and stating
whatever pops into one's head, without giving it the least bit of thought.

Welcome to Usenet.

--
(\_/)
(='.'=)
(")_(")

 

Whatever it is, I believe that quite possibly by now the OP has been committed to a sanitarium.

 

[William Sommerwerck]

"Phil Allison" wrote in message news:bktqlnFbe8aU1@mid.individual.net...

Otherwise, you could twist the definition so that any and every
electronic component was an active device.

** Define "electronic component" to mean only those items that are
exclusively electronic in nature and you have got it.

What do you mean by "electronic"? Aren't /all/ devices used in electronic
equipment "electronic" /by definition/?


> The term "active device" cannot be defined OUT OF CONTEXT !!!!!!

True -- the context is amplification.

I say it includes to ANY vacuum tube or semiconductor intended
to be used in an electronic circuit - cos that is how most folk
working IN ELECTRONICS use it and dealer's catalogues reflect
the fact, too.

I don't care what most people think. I only care about the truth. To call an
ordinary rectifier an active component is beyond stupid. It is not "active",
in any reasonable sense of the term.

Phil, you're like most human beings. You believe what you want to believe,
without thinking about it.


> And Wiki agrees with ME !!!!!

The article is wrong. Too bad.

 

[William Sommerwerck]

Let's look at this (non-)issue in a broader sense. What was the point of
applying the adjective "active" to particular devices?

"Obviously", it was to distinguish them from non-active devices. And prior to
the Audion, there /were/ no active devices -- devices that /amplified/.

Several years ago we had an insane argument, in which a significant number of
posters claimed that transducers were amplifiers, twisting the definitions of
these terms into perverse forms.

We are now told that a PIN diode -- which is no more than a switch -- is an
active device, apparently because it's made of semiconductor material, which
/just happens/ to be used in active devices. So -- duh -- they must both be
active devices.

What does the material have to do with it? A switch is a switch. Switches are
not, and have never been, considered active devices. Do PIN diodes get a
special break, just because they're semiconductors? Are we now supposed to
classify the power switch on a table radio as an active device?

Calling an electrical generator an active device is meaningless, because it
doesn't draw any useful distinction with "inactive" devices (such as a rake or
a step ladder). An if an electrical generator is an "active" device, why isn't
a log? A log can be burned to produce energy.

Human beings are incredibly stupid. They believe what their parents tell them,
and almost always stick ferociously to their childhood beliefs throughout
life. They believe that whatever pops into their heads is true, and these
beliefs can only rarely be shaken. Worst of all, humans hardly ever ask "How
do I know whether something is true or not?" Of course, in a democracy it
doesn't matter. One person's point of view is as good as any other person's.

 

[dave]

On 01/30/2014 07:09 AM, William Sommerwerck wrote:

"Phil Allison" wrote in message news:bktqlnFbe8aU1@mid.individual.net...

Otherwise, you could twist the definition so that any and every
electronic component was an active device.

** Define "electronic component" to mean only those items that are
exclusively electronic in nature and you have got it.

What do you mean by "electronic"? Aren't /all/ devices used in
electronic equipment "electronic" /by definition/?


The term "active device" cannot be defined OUT OF CONTEXT !!!!!!

True -- the context is amplification.


I say it includes to ANY vacuum tube or semiconductor intended
to be used in an electronic circuit - cos that is how most folk
working IN ELECTRONICS use it and dealer's catalogues reflect
the fact, too.

I don't care what most people think. I only care about the truth. To
call an ordinary rectifier an active component is beyond stupid. It is
not "active", in any reasonable sense of the term.

Phil, you're like most human beings. You believe what you want to
believe, without thinking about it.


And Wiki agrees with ME !!!!!

The article is wrong. Too bad.

Electronics is intelligent control of electrons, like the name says.

 

[Phil Allison]

"William Sommerwanker is a Pschyo Cunt"

I don't care what most people think.

** The meaning of all words and terms IS what people think they mean.

Autistic fuckwits like WS cannot grasp this obvious truism.

I only care about the truth.

** Shame how YOU are the biggest DAMN LIAR out.




..... Phi

 

[William Sommerwerck]

"Phil Allison" wrote in message news:bl36qqFfrdcU1@mid.individual.net...

> I don't care what most people think.

** The meaning of all words and terms IS what people think they mean.

That's one of the reasons the world is so screwed up.

 

[mike]

On 1/30/2014 7:09 AM, William Sommerwerck wrote:

> I don't care what most people think.

So, why keep trying to make them care what
you think?

 

[William Sommerwerck]

"mike" wrote in message news:lcjk0m$d49$1@dont-email.me...
On 1/30/2014 7:09 AM, William Sommerwerck wrote:

I don't care what most people think.

So, why keep trying to make them care what you think?

Maybe someday I might change a mind or two.

In all my life, I have never met one person who said, "You know, Bill, you're
right. I don't use my intelligence well."

 

[Michael A. Terrell]

mike wrote:

On 1/30/2014 7:09 AM, William Sommerwerck wrote:

I don't care what most people think.

So, why keep trying to make them care what
you think?

Some people care about reality. All 'Diode' means is two terminals,
but many think only of 'Rectifier'.

 

[Maynard A. Philbrook Jr.]

In article <3b32a6e4-c7bc-4add-a052-b7a76fd12a64@googlegroups.com>,
jurb6006@gmail.com says...

Whatever it is, I believe that quite possibly by now the OP has been committed to a sanitarium.

Big device between an active device and active components!...

I think this all started with the intention of talking about
active components. But I see it has spread out of control like
syphilis.

Jamie

 

[josephkk]

On Sun, 26 Jan 2014 21:54:48 +0000 (UTC), Kaz Kylheku <kaz@kylheku.com>
wrote:

On 2014-01-25, Jerry Peters <jerry@example.invalid> wrote:
dave <ricketzz@earthlink.net> wrote:
On 01/23/2014 06:05 PM, Michael A. Terrell wrote:

dave wrote:

On 01/23/2014 06:45 AM, Michael A. Terrell wrote:


It is not a switch or a valve.


It's a solid state diode that oscillates. DC in, and ~10 GHZ out.
Search on Gunnplexer. You see them on automatic doors in almost every
store. A microwave mixer diode takes a sample from the Gunn diode and
compares it to any reflected signals. This results in a low frequency
signal that is detected, amplified and signals the door to open. How can
a passive diode do that?


Like I said. You can hit a piece of quartz with a hammer and it will
oscillate; that doesn't mean it's considered and active device. An
active device uses one signal [current, voltage] to control another. As
in amplify or switch. Thermionic valve, transistor, SCR, Triac is what
we are going for.


An active device uses one signal [current, voltage] to control another.

So a relay is an active device?

We should probably apply the "active" or "passive" designation to circuits
rather than devices. When we say that a device is active, it means that the
only sensible way of using it is in the role where it provides an active
circuit.

A passive circuit is one in which the energy source for driving the output
signals is derived from the input signals, rather than from some auxiliary
power supply.

Anything else is an active circuit.

Because the energy for driving outputs is derived from inputs in a passive
device, a passive device can never amplify power; though if it contains
inductors, it can step voltage up or down and thereby modify impedance.

A logic inverter circuit built on a relay is definitely active. Justification:
the device produces an output which is based on the input, but which does not
draw energy from the input at all to power the output. Power is applied to the
switch, in series with a load resistor. This energy source is not considered
an input signal.

If the relay's switch is used to pass through or cut off a signal (say as part
of a multiplexer), then we can regard it as passive. When the signal passes
through the relay, it does so without amplification: the output is powered by
the input. The next and previous device are not isolated from each other's
impedances in any way by the relay; it is transparent. Moreover, the relay's
coil is powered by *its* input: the switching mechanism itself does not have
its own source of power.

(Note that by the same logic, we could argue that a FET used for signal
switching also gives rise to a passive circuit.)

And just to trip you up,what about USB to TIA 232 converters?

?-)