Any Tesla driver here?...

On Thu, 19 May 2022 12:59:28 -0700 (PDT), Ricky
<gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote:

>Cars are becoming far too complex

There\'s your problem right there.
 
TurdSipper Dumb <cd@notformail.com> wrote in
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On Thu, 19 May 2022 12:59:28 -0700 (PDT), Ricky
gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote:

Cars are becoming far too complex

There\'s your problem right there.
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TurdSipper Dumb is becoming far too stupid.
Not that he wasn\'t dirt dumb his entire, pathetic life.
Must have been all those fake princely encounters he spent his life
bragging about as if it provided some further up notch in existence.
 
On Thu, 19 May 2022 22:04:24 +0100, Martin Brown
<\'\'\'newspam\'\'\'@nonad.co.uk> wrote:

On 19/05/2022 18:59, Jeroen Belleman wrote:
Any Tesla drivers here? I heard of this silly incident where
someone forced the hatch shut by hand rather than pushing the
button, and by doing so immobilized the car. Apparently, when
you do that, it believes the hatch is still open and refuses
to move. Don\'t you love modern cars?

Comments?

Jeroen --the driver should always have the final word-- Belleman

Even in the pre smartphone with everything era I have had a fairly high
end car decide to freeze on me because it suddenly thought it had been
stolen and on a roundabout at rush hour. The only thing that could be
done was push it to the side of the road and await rescue. Immobilisers
were quite new and little understood back then. I expect the thieves
understood them batter than anyone else!

Roadside assistance couldn\'t do anything with it beyond dragging it onto
a tow away truck. It came back with the immobiliser reset and \"no fault
found\" from the dealer. It didn\'t ever do it again which was a bonus.
Click to expand...

I had a V70 Volvo that kept locking me out of it for no apparent
reason. Computer scan by the main dealer showed no fault present or
logged. I could see it would one day let me down late at night in a
thunderstorm so got rid of it. Best decision I ever made was to never
have another modern car ever again. I only drive vintage stuff now.
 
On Wednesday, May 25, 2022 at 6:37:38 PM UTC-4, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Thu, 19 May 2022 22:04:24 +0100, Martin Brown
\'\'\'newspam\'\'\'@nonad.co.uk> wrote:
On 19/05/2022 18:59, Jeroen Belleman wrote:
Any Tesla drivers here? I heard of this silly incident where
someone forced the hatch shut by hand rather than pushing the
button, and by doing so immobilized the car. Apparently, when
you do that, it believes the hatch is still open and refuses
to move. Don\'t you love modern cars?

Comments?

Jeroen --the driver should always have the final word-- Belleman

Even in the pre smartphone with everything era I have had a fairly high
end car decide to freeze on me because it suddenly thought it had been
stolen and on a roundabout at rush hour. The only thing that could be
done was push it to the side of the road and await rescue. Immobilisers
were quite new and little understood back then. I expect the thieves
understood them batter than anyone else!

Roadside assistance couldn\'t do anything with it beyond dragging it onto
a tow away truck. It came back with the immobiliser reset and \"no fault
found\" from the dealer. It didn\'t ever do it again which was a bonus.

I had a V70 Volvo that kept locking me out of it for no apparent
reason. Computer scan by the main dealer showed no fault present or
logged. I could see it would one day let me down late at night in a
thunderstorm so got rid of it. Best decision I ever made was to never
have another modern car ever again. I only drive vintage stuff now.
Click to expand...

What will you do when there\'s only 1 of 10 gas stations left because nearly everyone is driving BEVs? Well, that\'s not until 2040, so maybe none of us will be around and s.e.d. is long gone too.

--

Rick C.

-++ Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
-++ Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209
 
On Fri, 20 May 2022 08:27:12 -0700, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com
wrote:

On Fri, 20 May 2022 11:17:39 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 5/19/2022 1:59 PM, Jeroen Belleman wrote:
Any Tesla drivers here? I heard of this silly incident where
someone forced the hatch shut by hand rather than pushing the
button, and by doing so immobilized the car. Apparently, when
you do that, it believes the hatch is still open and refuses
to move. Don\'t you love modern cars?

Comments?


Yeah, in other news Elon Musk has been a Republican for less than 48
hours and he already has a hush-money sexual harassment case against
him. Ancient story of Cinderella, if shoe fits...

Jeroen --the driver should always have the final word-- Belleman

New movie:

https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2022/may/17/elon-musk-crash-course-documentary-tesla
Click to expand...

Yeah. I may have saved the life of a co-worker who wanted a Tesla for
the self-driving bit, and was totally overestimating the capability of
Teslas to handle unexpected situations, ones for which it was never
programmed or trained, when I provided a few accident reports plus my
analysis of what had fooled the Tesla, destroying his trust in the
autopilot.

The basic problem is that the current technology of understanding a
visual scene is quite immature, being far less capable that of almost
any vertebrate animal.

The Neuroscience folk have figured out a good bit of it, but their
algorithms require implementation of hyperdimensional associative
memory of specific kinds, which we can only simulate clumsily on
modern computers (no matter how many cores et al), and cannot
implement in any form suitable for following a scene fast enough to
guide an automobile at 190 mph (regularly achieved on the German
autobahn).

Joe Gwinn
 
On Monday, May 30, 2022 at 11:33:06 AM UTC-4, Joe Gwinn wrote:
On Fri, 20 May 2022 08:27:12 -0700, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com
wrote:
On Fri, 20 May 2022 11:17:39 -0400, bitrex <us...@example.net> wrote:

On 5/19/2022 1:59 PM, Jeroen Belleman wrote:
Any Tesla drivers here? I heard of this silly incident where
someone forced the hatch shut by hand rather than pushing the
button, and by doing so immobilized the car. Apparently, when
you do that, it believes the hatch is still open and refuses
to move. Don\'t you love modern cars?

Comments?


Yeah, in other news Elon Musk has been a Republican for less than 48
hours and he already has a hush-money sexual harassment case against
him. Ancient story of Cinderella, if shoe fits...

Jeroen --the driver should always have the final word-- Belleman

New movie:

https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2022/may/17/elon-musk-crash-course-documentary-tesla
Yeah. I may have saved the life of a co-worker who wanted a Tesla for
the self-driving bit, and was totally overestimating the capability of
Teslas to handle unexpected situations, ones for which it was never
programmed or trained, when I provided a few accident reports plus my
analysis of what had fooled the Tesla, destroying his trust in the
autopilot.

The basic problem is that the current technology of understanding a
visual scene is quite immature, being far less capable that of almost
any vertebrate animal.

The Neuroscience folk have figured out a good bit of it, but their
algorithms require implementation of hyperdimensional associative
memory of specific kinds, which we can only simulate clumsily on
modern computers (no matter how many cores et al), and cannot
implement in any form suitable for following a scene fast enough to
guide an automobile at 190 mph (regularly achieved on the German
autobahn).
Click to expand...

It would seem that your friend, like yourself seems to think the autopilot is autonomous, it\'s not. It\'s not intended to be autonomous. Tesla warns you in every way possible to pay attention as if you were driving while using the autopilot. I don\'t think they could do much more to alert people to the fact that autopilot is simply a driving aid, not a substitute for a mentally capable driver.

The autopilot is very nice. I often find myself trying to double tap the cruise control which my Kia doesn\'t have. :(

--

Rick C.

+-- Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
+-- Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209
 
Joe Gwinn <joegwinn@comcast.net> wrote:

jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:
Jeroen Belleman wrote:

Any Tesla drivers here? I heard of this silly incident where someone
forced the hatch shut by hand rather than pushing the button, and by
doing so immobilized the car. Apparently, when you do that, it
believes the hatch is still open and refuses to move. Don\'t you love
modern cars?

Yeah, in other news Elon Musk has been a Republican for less than 48
hours and he already has a hush-money sexual harassment case against
him. Ancient story of Cinderella, if shoe fits...

Jeroen --the driver should always have the final word-- Belleman

New movie:

https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2022/may/17/elon-musk-crash-course-documentary-tesla

Yeah. I may have saved the life of a co-worker who wanted a Tesla for
the self-driving bit, and was totally overestimating the capability of
Teslas to handle unexpected situations, ones for which it was never
programmed or trained, when I provided a few accident reports plus my
analysis of what had fooled the Tesla, destroying his trust in the
autopilot.

The basic problem is that the current technology of understanding a
visual scene is quite immature, being far less capable that of almost
any vertebrate animal.

The Neuroscience folk have figured out a good bit of it, but their
algorithms require implementation of hyperdimensional associative memory
of specific kinds, which we can only simulate clumsily on modern
computers (no matter how many cores et al), and cannot implement in any
form suitable for following a scene fast enough to guide an automobile
at 190 mph (regularly achieved on the German autobahn).
Click to expand...

Yep. Simply put... Interpreting graphics, especially in motion, is not a
computer\'s strong suit.
 
mandag den 30. maj 2022 kl. 17.49.28 UTC+2 skrev Ricky:
On Monday, May 30, 2022 at 11:33:06 AM UTC-4, Joe Gwinn wrote:
On Fri, 20 May 2022 08:27:12 -0700, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com
wrote:
On Fri, 20 May 2022 11:17:39 -0400, bitrex <us...@example.net> wrote:

On 5/19/2022 1:59 PM, Jeroen Belleman wrote:
Any Tesla drivers here? I heard of this silly incident where
someone forced the hatch shut by hand rather than pushing the
button, and by doing so immobilized the car. Apparently, when
you do that, it believes the hatch is still open and refuses
to move. Don\'t you love modern cars?

Comments?


Yeah, in other news Elon Musk has been a Republican for less than 48
hours and he already has a hush-money sexual harassment case against
him. Ancient story of Cinderella, if shoe fits...

Jeroen --the driver should always have the final word-- Belleman

New movie:

https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2022/may/17/elon-musk-crash-course-documentary-tesla
Yeah. I may have saved the life of a co-worker who wanted a Tesla for
the self-driving bit, and was totally overestimating the capability of
Teslas to handle unexpected situations, ones for which it was never
programmed or trained, when I provided a few accident reports plus my
analysis of what had fooled the Tesla, destroying his trust in the
autopilot.

The basic problem is that the current technology of understanding a
visual scene is quite immature, being far less capable that of almost
any vertebrate animal.

The Neuroscience folk have figured out a good bit of it, but their
algorithms require implementation of hyperdimensional associative
memory of specific kinds, which we can only simulate clumsily on
modern computers (no matter how many cores et al), and cannot
implement in any form suitable for following a scene fast enough to
guide an automobile at 190 mph (regularly achieved on the German
autobahn).
It would seem that your friend, like yourself seems to think the autopilot is autonomous, it\'s not. It\'s not intended to be autonomous. Tesla warns you in every way possible to pay attention as if you were driving while using the autopilot. I don\'t think they could do much more to alert people to the fact that autopilot is simply a driving aid, not a substitute for a mentally capable driver.
Click to expand...

probably a mistake to call it autopilot..
 
On Monday, May 30, 2022 at 1:04:05 PM UTC-4, lang...@fonz.dk wrote:
mandag den 30. maj 2022 kl. 17.49.28 UTC+2 skrev Ricky:
On Monday, May 30, 2022 at 11:33:06 AM UTC-4, Joe Gwinn wrote:
On Fri, 20 May 2022 08:27:12 -0700, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com
wrote:
On Fri, 20 May 2022 11:17:39 -0400, bitrex <us...@example.net> wrote:

On 5/19/2022 1:59 PM, Jeroen Belleman wrote:
Any Tesla drivers here? I heard of this silly incident where
someone forced the hatch shut by hand rather than pushing the
button, and by doing so immobilized the car. Apparently, when
you do that, it believes the hatch is still open and refuses
to move. Don\'t you love modern cars?

Comments?


Yeah, in other news Elon Musk has been a Republican for less than 48
hours and he already has a hush-money sexual harassment case against
him. Ancient story of Cinderella, if shoe fits...

Jeroen --the driver should always have the final word-- Belleman

New movie:

https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2022/may/17/elon-musk-crash-course-documentary-tesla
Yeah. I may have saved the life of a co-worker who wanted a Tesla for
the self-driving bit, and was totally overestimating the capability of
Teslas to handle unexpected situations, ones for which it was never
programmed or trained, when I provided a few accident reports plus my
analysis of what had fooled the Tesla, destroying his trust in the
autopilot.

The basic problem is that the current technology of understanding a
visual scene is quite immature, being far less capable that of almost
any vertebrate animal.

The Neuroscience folk have figured out a good bit of it, but their
algorithms require implementation of hyperdimensional associative
memory of specific kinds, which we can only simulate clumsily on
modern computers (no matter how many cores et al), and cannot
implement in any form suitable for following a scene fast enough to
guide an automobile at 190 mph (regularly achieved on the German
autobahn).
It would seem that your friend, like yourself seems to think the autopilot is autonomous, it\'s not. It\'s not intended to be autonomous. Tesla warns you in every way possible to pay attention as if you were driving while using the autopilot. I don\'t think they could do much more to alert people to the fact that autopilot is simply a driving aid, not a substitute for a mentally capable driver.

probably a mistake to call it autopilot..
Click to expand...

Pretty much the same thing really. You don\'t put on autopilot in a plane and go walking around the cabin. It simply flies the plane. It doesn\'t avoid or handle all situations. It just flies the plane better than a human can in normal conditions. That much is true of the Tesla autopilot.

The problem is people don\'t understand what autopilot does in an airplane. So in that sense, yeah, maybe a bad choice of names.

--

Rick C.

+-+ Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
+-+ Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209
 
On Thursday, May 26, 2022 at 8:37:38 AM UTC+10, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Thu, 19 May 2022 22:04:24 +0100, Martin Brown
\'\'\'newspam\'\'\'@nonad.co.uk> wrote:
On 19/05/2022 18:59, Jeroen Belleman wrote:
Any Tesla drivers here? I heard of this silly incident where
someone forced the hatch shut by hand rather than pushing the
button, and by doing so immobilized the car. Apparently, when
you do that, it believes the hatch is still open and refuses
to move. Don\'t you love modern cars?

Comments?

Jeroen --the driver should always have the final word-- Belleman

Even in the pre smartphone with everything era I have had a fairly high
end car decide to freeze on me because it suddenly thought it had been
stolen and on a roundabout at rush hour. The only thing that could be
done was push it to the side of the road and await rescue. Immobilisers
were quite new and little understood back then. I expect the thieves
understood them batter than anyone else!

Roadside assistance couldn\'t do anything with it beyond dragging it onto
a tow away truck. It came back with the immobiliser reset and \"no fault
found\" from the dealer. It didn\'t ever do it again which was a bonus.

I had a V70 Volvo that kept locking me out of it for no apparent reason.
Click to expand...

That would have been the anti-social twit detector.

> Computer scan by the main dealer showed no fault present or logged.

No point in telling a customer that he isn\'t the kind of driver they want in control of their cars.

> I could see it would one day let me down late at night in a thunderstorm so got rid of it.

More likely drive you off a high cliff at speed. You managed to get rid of it before it succeeded in getting rid of you. Pity.

> Best decision I ever made was to never have another modern car ever again. I only drive vintage stuff now.

No anti-lock braking system? There\'s hope for us yet.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
 
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On Thursday, May 26, 2022 at 8:37:38 AM UTC+10, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Thu, 19 May 2022 22:04:24 +0100, Martin Brown
\'\'\'newspam\'\'\'@nonad.co.uk> wrote:
On 19/05/2022 18:59, Jeroen Belleman wrote:
Any Tesla drivers here? I heard of this silly incident where
someone forced the hatch shut by hand rather than pushing the
button, and by doing so immobilized the car. Apparently, when
you do that, it believes the hatch is still open and refuses
to move. Don\'t you love modern cars?

Comments?

Jeroen --the driver should always have the final word-- Belleman

Even in the pre smartphone with everything era I have had a fairly high
end car decide to freeze on me because it suddenly thought it had been
stolen and on a roundabout at rush hour. The only thing that could be
done was push it to the side of the road and await rescue. Immobilisers
were quite new and little understood back then. I expect the thieves
understood them batter than anyone else!

Roadside assistance couldn\'t do anything with it beyond dragging it onto
a tow away truck. It came back with the immobiliser reset and \"no fault
found\" from the dealer. It didn\'t ever do it again which was a bonus.

I had a V70 Volvo that kept locking me out of it for no apparent reason.

That would have been the anti-social twit detector.

Computer scan by the main dealer showed no fault present or logged.

No point in telling a customer that he isn\'t the kind of driver they want in control of their cars.

I could see it would one day let me down late at night in a thunderstorm so got rid of it.

More likely drive you off a high cliff at speed. You managed to get rid of it before it succeeded in getting rid of you. Pity.

Best decision I ever made was to never have another modern car ever again. I only drive vintage stuff now.

No anti-lock braking system? There\'s hope for us yet.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
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(http://al.howardknight.net/?ID=165357273000) posted Thu, 26 May 2022
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Always Wrong, the utterly foulmouthed group idiot, adding absolutely
NOTHING but insults to this thread, as usual...
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Yet, since Wed, 5 Jan 2022 04:10:38 -0000 (UTC) John Dope\'s post ratio
to USENET (**) has been 59.0% of its posts contributing \"nothing except
insults\" to USENET.

** Since Wed, 5 Jan 2022 04:10:38 -0000 (UTC) John Dope has posted at
least 1550 articles to USENET. Of which 165 have been pure insults and
749 have been John Dope \"troll format\" postings.

The Troll Doe stated the following in message-id
<sdhn7c$pkp$4@dont-email.me>:

> The troll doesn\'t even know how to format a USENET post...

And the Troll Doe stated the following in message-id
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The reason Bozo cannot figure out how to get Google to keep from
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And yet, the clueless Troll Doe has itself posted yet another
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(UTC) in message-id <t7g3mr$m3d$3@dont-email.me>.

WFipOboodwR7
 
This porn-sucking retard is a nym-shifting stalker troll now.

Eddie has never posted anything NORMAL except when it got a spanking...

https://groups.google.com/g/sci.electronics.repair/c/MesPLcGU4BE

See also...
John Doe <always.look_message.header> (Astraweb, Aioe.org)
Peter Weiner <dtgamer99_gmail.com>
Edward H. <dtgamer99_gmail.com>
Edward Hernandez <dtgamer99_gmail.com>

Eddie is an example for all newbies. Don\'t get spanked!

Spanked Eddie...

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In message-id <t6nt3e$7bp$3@dont-email.me
(http://al.howardknight.net/?ID=165357273000) posted Thu, 26 May 2022
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Always Wrong, the utterly foulmouthed group idiot, adding absolutely
NOTHING but insults to this thread, as usual...

Yet, since Wed, 5 Jan 2022 04:10:38 -0000 (UTC) John Dope\'s post ratio
to USENET (**) has been 59.0% of its posts contributing \"nothing except
insults\" to USENET.

** Since Wed, 5 Jan 2022 04:10:38 -0000 (UTC) John Dope has posted at
least 1550 articles to USENET. Of which 165 have been pure insults and
749 have been John Dope \"troll format\" postings.

The Troll Doe stated the following in message-id
sdhn7c$pkp$4@dont-email.me>:

The troll doesn\'t even know how to format a USENET post...

And the Troll Doe stated the following in message-id
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The reason Bozo cannot figure out how to get Google to keep from
breaking its lines in inappropriate places is because Bozo is
CLUELESS...

And yet, the clueless Troll Doe has itself posted yet another
incorrectly formatted USENET posting on Sat, 4 Jun 2022 17:10:52 -0000
(UTC) in message-id <t7g3mr$m3d$3@dont-email.me>.

WFipOboodwR7
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In message-id <t6nt3e$7bp$3@dont-email.me>
(http://al.howardknight.net/?ID=165357273000) posted Thu, 26 May 2022
12:50:54 -0000 (UTC) John Dope stated:

Always Wrong, the utterly foulmouthed group idiot, adding absolutely
NOTHING but insults to this thread, as usual...
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Yet, since Wed, 5 Jan 2022 04:10:38 -0000 (UTC) John Dope\'s post ratio
to USENET (**) has been 59.0% of its posts contributing \"nothing except
insults\" to USENET.

** Since Wed, 5 Jan 2022 04:10:38 -0000 (UTC) John Dope has posted at
least 1553 articles to USENET. Of which 165 have been pure insults and
752 have been John Dope \"troll format\" postings.

The John Doe troll stated the following in message-id
<sdhn7c$pkp$4@dont-email.me>:

> The troll doesn\'t even know how to format a USENET post...

And the John Doe troll stated the following in message-id
<sg3kr7$qt5$1@dont-email.me>:

The reason Bozo cannot figure out how to get Google to keep from
breaking its lines in inappropriate places is because Bozo is
CLUELESS...
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And yet, the clueless John Doe troll has continued to post incorrectly
formatted USENET articles that are devoid of content (latest example on
Sat, 4 Jun 2022 19:56:27 -0000 (UTC) in message-id
<t7gddb$qs2$1@dont-email.me>).

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On Sunday, June 5, 2022 at 3:10:59 AM UTC+10, John Doe wrote:
Anthony William Sloman <bill....@ieee.org> wrote:
On Thursday, May 26, 2022 at 8:37:38 AM UTC+10, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Thu, 19 May 2022 22:04:24 +0100, Martin Brown <\'\'\'newspam\'\'\'@nonad.co.uk> wrote:
On 19/05/2022 18:59, Jeroen Belleman wrote:
Click to expand...

<snip>

I had a V70 Volvo that kept locking me out of it for no apparent reason.

That would have been the anti-social twit detector.

Computer scan by the main dealer showed no fault present or logged.

No point in telling a customer that he isn\'t the kind of driver they want in control of their cars.

I could see it would one day let me down late at night in a thunderstorm so got rid of it.

More likely drive you off a high cliff at speed. You managed to get rid of it before it succeeded in getting rid of you. Pity.

Best decision I ever made was to never have another modern car ever again. I only drive vintage stuff now.

No anti-lock braking system? There\'s hope for us yet.

Bill being a dick, as always...
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Dick\'s like John Doe and Cursitor Doom do try to present a united front - rather like right and left buttocks, though far right and lunatic right bums might be closer to the mark. Flyguy would sit between them.

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Bill Sloman, Sydney
 
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